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SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
The filidh that cam frae Skye
#1: Apr 10th 2012 at 12:28:49 PM

Now, the basic idea of this trope is "a fictional religion that takes parts of its theology from two or more existing religions", and is intrinsically neutral. However, the description sounds a lot like complaining:

"An author wishes to create a wholly unique religion or belief system for his universe, something that is readily identifiable as "unique" or "alien". Trouble is, coming up with something completely original is notoriously hard to do, and would probably end up being entirely incoherent anyways. That's okay, all our author needs to do is cobble together his new concept from interesting bits of existing religions, belief systems, mysticisms and philosophies, discard the stuff he finds inconvenient, and change all the names and places. Couch it in a bit of fictionalized backstory, and voila! Instant religion.

One of the reasons this method is sometimes favored is because the ideas, being quite a hot button issue, can be blended together into something homogeneous and inoffensive, with all the hard-to-swallow parts of foreign philosophies glossed over or omitted entirely. No one can then say the Author Did Not Do the Research, since he's creating an entirely 'new' religion or philosophy.

As you can see, this description pretty much accuses all Interfaith Smoothies as being the result of the creators being lazy, and they're all just toned down, Theme Park Versions of the religions that they're based on. Now how can we rewrite the definition so that it doesn't sound like complaining?

edited 13th Apr '13 7:47:31 AM by SantosLHalper

Halper's Law: as the length of an online discussion of minority groups increases, the probability of "SJW" or variations being used = 1.
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#2: Apr 10th 2012 at 12:30:19 PM

Doesn't sound like complaining to me.

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#3: Apr 10th 2012 at 12:32:17 PM

I can see the complaining there. It should be rewritten so it isn't Example As Thesis. Also, "anyways" is not a real word.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
The filidh that cam frae Skye
#4: Apr 10th 2012 at 12:40:29 PM

Yes it is.

Halper's Law: as the length of an online discussion of minority groups increases, the probability of "SJW" or variations being used = 1.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#5: Apr 10th 2012 at 12:43:46 PM

Yeah, in dialect, just like "ain't" is a real word in dialect. That doesn't make it okay to use in trope pages. Use anyways and ain't and innit to your heart's content on the forums, but not in articles.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Spark9 Gentleman Troper! from Castle Wulfenbach Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Gentleman Troper!
#6: Apr 10th 2012 at 1:31:52 PM

It strikes me as perfectly cromulent.

Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!
SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
The filidh that cam frae Skye
#7: Apr 10th 2012 at 1:35:37 PM

Regardless of how the word "anyways" is used, how can we rewrite this trope description to make it more neutral?

Halper's Law: as the length of an online discussion of minority groups increases, the probability of "SJW" or variations being used = 1.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#8: Apr 10th 2012 at 1:40:12 PM

There was a lot of Word Cruft in the first two paragraphs. Here's a a slimmed-down version. It could probably use more information, but at least now it's no longer an Example As Thesis with a scoop of Complaining About Fictional Religions You Dont Like. What do you guys think?

edited 10th Apr '12 1:40:52 PM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#9: Apr 12th 2012 at 8:43:47 AM

So, we wanna do something here? I'm fine with my rewrite, does anyone have any issues with it? Otherwise I'll make the swap and we can move on to other issues.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
tdgoodrich1 R.I.P 2 My Youth from Atlanta Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Californicating
R.I.P 2 My Youth
#11: Apr 12th 2012 at 9:10:00 AM

[up][up] Ditto on Catbert.

"Polite life will fill you full of cancer." - Iggy Pop "I've seen the future, brother, it is murder." -Leonard Cohen
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#12: Apr 12th 2012 at 9:54:15 AM

It doesn't matter if it's in the dictionary, it sounds unprofessional.

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#13: Apr 12th 2012 at 10:01:12 AM

[up]I thought we were going for "breezy language", not professional. If professional is the standard, we need to do something about Martello's use of sentence fragments.

rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#14: Apr 12th 2012 at 10:13:06 AM

Perhaps that is the wrong word. It sounds semi-literate. "Breezy and smart", not "breezy and sloppy".

This is about formatting, not content, but How To Write An Example says "This Wiki should at least look professional despite having a breezy attitude."

edited 12th Apr '12 10:16:32 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#15: Apr 12th 2012 at 11:05:03 AM

Just sounds casual to me. Frankly, objecting to it sounds ridiculously pedantic from my perspective. Everyone knows what it means. Might as well be asking people to stop splitting infinitives.

Not that there's any need to squeeze it in whenever possible or anything.

edited 12th Apr '12 11:05:52 AM by Clarste

Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#16: Apr 12th 2012 at 11:39:16 AM

@Catbert - are there fragments in my rewrite or are you making a joke about my tendency to write that way in the forums?

@Clarste - everybody knows what ain't and innit mean, too, but that doesn't mean we should use those idioms in the main wiki. It's not pedantic to correct wrong word choices in an article, it's just being a good writer and editor.

Anyway, that's hardly the point of this thread. Does anyone have any problems with the sandbox version or should go ahead and swap them out?

edited 12th Apr '12 11:47:02 AM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
Martello Hammer of the Pervs from Black River, NY Since: Jan, 2001
Hammer of the Pervs
#17: Apr 12th 2012 at 5:31:03 PM

Okay, swapping them out, hollering for lock.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.
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