Manga/Dragon Ball

Most - though not all - media depicts him with grey skin, including the colorized manga. Evil Boo never appeared in a color chapter during the original run.

Toyotaro has been open about being coached heavily through character design post Moro. Specifically, Toriyama had him do the visual design for the Heeters, but repeatedly rejected his designs until they were in line with what he was wanted.

There are a couple things that depict Evil Buu with pink skin, like a card and Daizenshuu 4, but that's it.

Even then, the card gives him a pretty greyish shade of pink.

Does it?

That looks like Boo's normal shade of pink.

This may be a reach, but stuff like Moro's vsiaul design slowly going from more distinctive to an derivative copy of Cell, and the way the plot of Granolah actively avoids going in more distinct or creative directions, possibly implies that Toyo has an issue with breaking away from what's already there and committing to new ideas.

I mean, if you think about it, you'd think a fan of Dragon Ball would like to explore the mythos of the franchise beyond what's already been dealt with. At least, that's what I'd do in Toyo's shoes. I really, REALLY want to see what's going on in the other universes.

The issue could be that Toyo is not that kind of fan, being the fan that prefers doing the "classic stories" over and over again instead of the other type of guy who wants to expand the mythology and go crazy with it

Edited by slimcoder on May 30th 2023 at 2:14:30 AM

I do get a "purist who doesn't want to do anything but re-emphasize what he already knows, never leaving his comfort zone" vibe from Toyotaro.

Which is a good place to start when making a sequel or adaptation of a work, but you have to know where to take what's there and take it in new directions or explore new ideas with the existing characters while still keeping the grounding and spirit of the characters as they've been writing - the most important skill an adaptor can have is knowing how to balance that, because it's the only way it's really going to feel like a new chapter of an existing work. Too much of one or the other, and there's problems with the end result.

Attention everyone. This is your annual reminder that, had Ox-King had his way, Goku and Chi-Chi's son, Videl's husband, and the future savior of mankind could have been named

Son Johnnny Oxseed.

Edited by FOFD on May 30th 2023 at 9:29:42 AM

Its a good thing Chi-Chi didn't go the Dead Guy Junior route with Goten and name him Goku. That'd get confusing.

Edited by diddyknux on May 30th 2023 at 8:59:02 AM

Giving up is the only thing Gohan has plenty of experience in. That, and getting beaten up and needing other people to bail out him out of his mistakes and keep him from screwing everybody else along with himself.

Gohan is just not a martial artist. He does not have the love of the challenge like Goku does.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what the name he suggested in Japanese. Johnny Oxseed is such an incredibly American joke that it's got me curious as to what the joke was translated from.

You could say he's a part timer.

Anyways, I have to add up to the already-dead conversation about Moro and say he got worse design and power-wise whenever he got stronger. Like him being a guy that could say "No" to the Z Fighters' Ki boosts was great as well as his animalistic old design.

Yeah, that's a pretty good point. Compared to previous villains being either soldiers, androids, aliens and demons, we've never had a beastman be an antagonist until Beerus, and since he practically joined the crew since his first appearance, we hadn't had a beastman STAY a main antagonist like Moro did. It's also the reason why so many didn't care for him swallowing 73, he lost what made him a beastman, and essentially became a demonic android.

A.K.A., he became canon Mira.

The only redeeming quality of the 73 design for me was that Moro kept the goat horns and used them. He didn't do many headbutts in the arc, but I appreciated every time he did.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on May 30th 2023 at 11:00:13 AM

@KnownUnknown In original Japanese version, Gyūmaō suggested names that were variations of his title: Gyūmatarō, Gyūmahiko, Doctor Gyūma, Gyūmanosuke, Gyūmashin, Gyūmantohihi and Gyūmasuki(which I think is the one you asked about).

I'll bet Chi-Chi could've lived with Doctor Gyuma. It has "doctor" in it!

If they ever made a movie adapting Android 21 and the FighterZ storyline, I think it would be a good move to take a page from Super Hero and make the protagonist be someone aside from Goku. Specifically, Android 18. I think Android 18 would be the perfect character to take the protagonist role in a movie focusing on Android 21. Especially since 18 is already the main character of one of FighterZ 3 story modes.

Support that one. 18 deserves a shot.

Also on board, specially if 17 also get a little bit of focus, enough so we can finally see his family.

Dragonball Super 1718

Question is how would you boot Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo from this movie

Edited by FOFD on Jun 5th 2023 at 1:50:45 PM

And even if it's not specifically an Android 21 adaptation, a movie focusing on 17 & 18, presumably with Krillin supporting, is a no-brainer idea.

The androids are very popular characters - 18 especially - with unique perspectives and ways of doing things very different from Goku and Vegeta but are still engaging in their own right, with their own supporting cast of characters that could very easily be plumbed for content,

It's basically the same argument for having a Goten & Trunks movie: the characters definitely could carry a plot if it was well written. It's just the question of whether Toriyama and co will let the characters cook.

Question is how would you boot Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo from this movie

There's a lot of ways they could do for that, I think. Super Hero went out of its way to explain why Goku and Vegeta couldn't fix the plot and establish Gohan was a last resort because of all these contrived inconveniences, but imo it didn't really need to.

For instance, if they do a 21 adaptation, iirc the story there is that Evil 21 kidnapped 17 and 18 so that they could be brainwashed/reprogrammed into her minions, but in 18's version of the story Good 21 woke up instead before Evil 21 could do so, and thus 17 and 18 ended up teaming up with Good 21 for real instead. So they could have it that 17 and 18 are stuck with 21 / in the RR facility and unable to contact anyone for a good chunk of the plot.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 5th 2023 at 12:57:15 PM