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Last time I saw anyone using the "carrying handle" on an AR-15/M-16 to actually carry the weapon around, was on an old episode of Hawaii Five-O, back in the 1970s.
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That particular series also saw the very frequent "spin a revolver's cylinder after reloading" thing, so in that case, I'd definitely take it as "everyone carries the sixteen A-1 like a regular rifle and the same goes for its offspring."
Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Mar 14th 2019 at 7:40:24 AM
Relevent for what? We have to win in the court of public opinion to pass gun regulations, and knowing how cynical they are would help.
My metric for things like this is usually “would I find it distasteful if the other side did it”. Considering you’re advocating for bringing frivolous lawsuits against political opponents simply for the sake of generating bad optics for them, which is pretty much some Project Veritas-level stuff, I don’t think it passes that metric.
God knows there’s enough we could go after gun manufacturers on without stooping to this level.
They should have sent a poet.
Politics is a game: in my opinion, play to win, or go home. Still, I respect your position.
I can understand playing the game, but ultimately I think a scorched-earth tactic tends to backfire. The Republicans dramatically hardened their opposition with those tactics, not to mention compromised their own base. It’s certainly appealing to think we should turn those tactics back on them, but it’s not without risk.
With gun manufacturers, a softer touch might be more rewarding. Public opinion is swinging against them pretty much regardless, so simply keeping the pressure on and keeping them visible would allow them to dig their own graves far more effectively than we could. Don’t forget either that their customer base is slowly coming out from underneath them: the majority of gun owners support stricter gun control, if we can keep the broader ground game on gun control going these companies will have no choice but to toe the line if they want to keep their customers.
They should have sent a poet.
Counter-argument: Games have rules that need to be followed, otherwise there is no game. This is actually part of the issue with politics in general is that people often put their "team" ahead of the greater good of the "game".
Edited by Protagonist506 on Mar 15th 2019 at 12:24:03 PM
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
And what about revealing the hypocrisy of the gun industry do you think is bad for society? Bear in mind that I am advocating the use of the legal process for doing so.
Edited by DeMarquis on Mar 15th 2019 at 11:12:25 AM
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It's at least worth finding out if gun companies have decided to use mass-shootings to their advantage via "good guy with a gun".
Profiteering off tragedy is abhorrent.
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Well, first off, there isn’t likely to be much hypocrisy. This is a far cry from the big tobacco situation. Second, that’s not what the judicial system is meant for. Finally, consider the results even if you were successful: this is one gun company out of hundreds, and not even a particularly large one. Even if you win a short-term PR victory it’s going to harden opposition from the gun industry and their supporters in the future.
Like I said above, I think the best approach here is going to be to let these companies hang themselves. Pressure from their customers combined with shifting of the broader public opinion is going to hurt them far more than anything we could do to them.
It’s pretty much already known they do that. They don’t even have do do anything themselves, the NRA and friendly politicians do their marketing for them.
Edited by archonspeaks on Mar 15th 2019 at 8:26:20 AM
They should have sent a poet.
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Sure, they do. But are they intentionally exploiting it? If yes, good to know.
Lawsuits do weird things. Best to accept it and see if it's going to teach something notable in the process.
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Gun-regulations also benefit gun manufactures, so they love mass shootings because either way they win.
Whenever regulation gets discussed people panic buy..... and it just skyrockets the price of ammunition and rifle.
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@The video: "Predator-Prey" analogies are misleading at best, and disengenous at worst. I would also like to know who measured "crimes prevented by firearms" and how they measured it. Anecdotes are anecdotes (although all politicians use them). Characterizing gun control regulations as violating people's rights "not to be raped" or "not to be murdered" is definately disengenous (can I shoot an employer who forcibly exposes me to unsafe working conditions? I bet workplaces would become much more safe if employees had an armed right to resist unsafe working practices). Then he accuses gun control advocates of knowingly desiring to disarm citizens in order to promote tyranny. Then he wants gun control advocates to tell the people that we dont trust them with power. This makes some of the most extreme pro-life/pro-choice rhetoric seem pale by comparison. I stopped listening at 6 minutes.
What is the "virtual president" or "virtual attorney general"?
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Yeah, that video is a heaping pile of garbage. Dishonest discourse from start to finish.
Who watches the watchmen?
To change the subject away from the bickering: WW2 after WW2 covers the use of weapons from the era during the Cold War and into the present. This is a favorite and recent article of mine, regarding the ARVN and the M1 Garand
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Of course, I'd associate the regular ARVN more with M2 Carbines, since that was more their preference and it was easier for them to handle.
Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Mar 16th 2019 at 3:24:22 AM
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Read the thing, found it very interesting. I was wondering where the 1897 "Trench Gun" was in the page. It saw some use in WW 2, along with other shotguns, so surely it could've had its own page.
On a related note, does anybody know some good 1897 shotgun replicas? Would help greatly.
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M2 Carbine is basically the M-16 for when you're ballin' on a budget, right? Was that one select-fire, or just the M3?
M2's the select-fire one, M3's the one fitted with the big-ass night vision scope. I wouldn't really call it a budget M16 as there's the whole question of what to define the M2 carbine as. I personally think that it might be a proto-PDW, if a lot bigger than the ones you see nowadays.
IIRC those did show up in Vietnam, watching Ken Burns's documentary, there was 1962 footage of an ARVN trooper waiting in ambush with an 1897, had the heat shield and exposed hammer and all. Tuefel here posted about cleaning them as an armorer, they were reportedly still used by the Navy for ship boarding.
Edited by TheWildWestPyro on Mar 18th 2019 at 3:58:31 AM
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The USMC had some 1897's in stock when I was in but these days they have been almost completely replaced with either the M870 Modular Combat Shotgun, the M-1014, or a variant of the Mossberg 590. They were used mostly for shipboard duty, Urban Combat, and boarding actions.
They aren't bad shotguns if you can get one but I prefer the Mossberg 500 line personally.
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I personally prefer the 870. The 500’s slide always feels a little loose and jittery, the 870’s is solid and smooth. I’m not a fan of the Mossberg’s safety either.
How about the M1014?
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I believe Norinco makes a replica of the Winchester 1897 trench gun.
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Oh really when?
Yeah, I’m not sure the personal beliefs of the employees are really relevant at all. Plus, it would be almost trivially easy for the company itself to say that its employees are free to speak their minds but that the company’s official stance remains XYZ.
It’d be like opening an automakers internal communications and finding out their employees don’t wear their seatbelts. If you’re just looking for something to throw in their faces later that’s fine enough, but that’s about all it is.
They should have sent a poet.