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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#26: Nov 2nd 2013 at 6:08:16 AM

I'm more worried about Nick than the cover up.

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#27: Nov 2nd 2013 at 6:53:11 AM

Things certainly look grim for him, don't they?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#28: Nov 2nd 2013 at 6:54:35 AM

Well, they did get lucky that Wu didn't recognize Monroe from the surveillance video from when the Hundjäger were killed...unless he did and has just decided to stay quiet and watch for now.

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#29: Nov 2nd 2013 at 9:19:25 AM

I'm really starting to think the masquerade is going to be broken, because I can't imagine they can keep everything under control.

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#30: Nov 2nd 2013 at 6:33:33 PM

Things certainly look grim for him, don't they?

Ugh.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#31: Nov 9th 2013 at 1:15:53 PM

Is there a trope called "Mrs Columbo"? Because everytime I hear Bud mention his wife, I am reminded of the series.

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#32: Nov 9th 2013 at 3:11:24 PM

It feels weird seeing so many Blutbad.

[up][up]Believe it or not, the pun wasn't intentional.

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#33: Nov 16th 2013 at 6:14:42 AM

So let me get this straight, the Freaky Fish Guys kill him because only humans can get their Naiad waifus preggers?

Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#34: Nov 16th 2013 at 6:20:46 AM

Uh, not in so many words, but yes. The male Naiads are infertile and so the females have to copulate with human men in order to reproduce. But the men here were raised by fundamentalists, and used that fundamentalism as an excuse to exercise their aggression on men who "stole" "their" women, just as they used that fundamentalism in order to punish "their" women for a biological quirk.

Incidentally, that was the first episode of the show I've ever seen, and I enjoyed it. Surprisingly well thought out scenario, and clever too. I guess it's a bit of a dirty cliche to put a disabled character in a dangerous quasi-rape situation (female genital mutilation being the allegory here) but I can't deny its power.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#35: Nov 16th 2013 at 7:58:10 AM

They added the muteness as a hint to "The little Mermaid", the fairy tale this was based on.

Wasn't it very confusing to watch with all the storyline smouldering in the background, not knowing who or what everyone is?

edited 16th Nov '13 7:59:07 AM by Swanpride

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#36: Nov 16th 2013 at 2:10:42 PM

Yay for nonsense biology.

Even if a species where half its entire population is sterile hasn't Darwin-ed itself into extinction, the species would never have evolved a social structure which would resemble what we saw in the episode.

In all likelihood, a Naiad society would be extremely matriarchal. The sterile sons would stay with their mothers to defend the family and help raise their nephews/nieces instead of going off in "arranged marriages" to raise offsprings completely unrelated to them. The females would likely have a much greater freedom in selecting their own mate(s). Marriages between Naiads would be essentially unknown since it would be meaningless.

I wish the writers had put even a tiny bit of thought into it...

edited 16th Nov '13 2:14:13 PM by nightwyrm_zero

Cross (Don’t ask)
#37: Nov 16th 2013 at 3:18:11 PM

Judging by how the guy Naiads acted I would say the males keep control through various forms of abuse, and since female don't seems to be the superior gender(by that I mean any traits that would put them above the males physically or mentally) it not difficult to see why they may fall in line considering the penalty.

I hope I made my point clear and didn't offend anyone.

edited 16th Nov '13 3:19:54 PM by Cross

joeyjojo Happy New Year! from South Sydney: go the bunnies! Since: Jan, 2001
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#38: Nov 16th 2013 at 6:51:21 PM

In all likelihood, a Naiad society would be extremely matriarchal. The sterile sons would stay with their mothers to defend the family and help raise their nephews/nieces instead of going off in "arranged marriages" to raise offsprings completely unrelated to them. The females would likely have a much greater freedom in selecting their own mate(s). Marriages between Naiads would be essentially unknown since it would be meaningless.

I think you underestimate the power of men to keep 'their women' under the their thumbs, or fins as the case might be.

^toally.

edited 16th Nov '13 6:52:30 PM by joeyjojo

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#39: Nov 16th 2013 at 7:57:57 PM

If the naiads had a previously entrenched patriarchy, then their impotence could easily have exacerbated that inequality.

Wasn't it very confusing to watch with all the storyline smouldering in the background, not knowing who or what everyone is?

Nope.

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nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#40: Nov 16th 2013 at 9:40:39 PM

My point is that a species in which all the males are sterile would never have evolved an entrenched patriarchy in the first place. Infanticide of male babies would've likely become a common practice to reduce the investment of resources on non-reproductive individuals. Biological mutations which reduces the number of males born (say spontaneous abortions of male fetuses) would've been greatly favoured in Naiad's evolutionary history.

/evolutionary biologist rant. tongue

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#41: Nov 16th 2013 at 9:52:25 PM

Evolutionary sociologist more like...tongue

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Nicknacks Ding-ding! Going down... from Land Down Under Since: Oct, 2010
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#42: Nov 16th 2013 at 9:57:29 PM

My point is that a species in which all the males are sterile would never have evolved an entrenched patriarchy in the first place. Infanticide of male babies would've likely become a common practice to reduce the investment of resources on non-reproductive individuals. Biological mutations which reduces the number of males born (say spontaneous abortions of male fetuses) would've been greatly favoured in Naiad's evolutionary history.

They alluded to the situation only being 200 years old.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#43: Nov 17th 2013 at 12:04:42 AM

I don't think that we can use human rules for Wesen, considering that they tend to have instincts very similar to what their animal counterparts display. The strong sense of family for example seems to be a Naiad thing. Like fishes, who tend to stay together, too.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#44: Nov 30th 2013 at 12:24:04 AM

Kind old lady by day, Vicious Wesen vigilante by night

I love that they reach the point where the can discuss murder and Wesen attacks so casually like that, and bonus points for Monroe's 'prey' and 'pharaoh' lines.

edited 30th Nov '13 12:33:32 AM by Cross

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#45: Nov 30th 2013 at 3:32:20 AM

Yeah, this ep really surprised me. Before the bus footage, they successfully distracted me.

I really love how casually Grimm deals with those research moments...they have one nearly every episode, but they rarely repeat themselves. The way the show treats everything Wesen related as "normal" just cracks me up, but it makes perfect sense. For the people living it, it is normal.

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#46: Dec 1st 2013 at 7:38:17 AM

Is this the first time a Wesen wasn't in any of Nick's books?

edit: Didn't realize I put "was" instead of "wasn't".

edited 1st Dec '13 1:06:23 PM by Cross

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#47: Dec 1st 2013 at 8:25:52 AM

[up]Yeah this is the first time a Wesen wasn't in any of the books Nick had.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#48: Dec 1st 2013 at 12:46:41 PM

Nope...he also had nothing about Maushertz, due to the fact that they are normally not dangerous, but Monroe filled him in.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#49: Dec 6th 2013 at 9:34:43 PM

Man, everybody goes to vacation at Tahiti.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#50: Dec 7th 2013 at 12:30:05 AM

In case someone is interested about the talk concerning genetic:

So apparently a Wesen/Human pair has a fifty/fifty chance to get a Wesen child. Unless the human is a Genträger (gen carrier), which I guess means that the human has a Wesen in his bloodline. Then it ends up Wesen for sure. Though I wonder if they meant "same Wesen" or just Wesen in general.

Should Monroe and Rosalee get children, it will be a "Vorherschender" (predominant)...which I guess it means that either every child might be end up as either Fuchsbau or Blutbad or that the boys will be Blutbad and the girls Fuchsbau...sounds to me like it isn't possible that a Wesen is two things at once unless someone manipulated the genes....


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