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CrypticMirror Cryptic Mirror from Scotland Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Jul 18th 2011 at 2:14:38 PM

Okay I'll be honest here, I have a personal interest in this trope name. I am Scottish, so I may very well be being over sensitive, but I find the trope name quite insulting. It is also not terribly clear, requiring you to read the description to find out what it means. I propose a rename to something that is clearer and does no single out any particular country or national identity.

RandomDude Since: Aug, 2010
#2: Jul 18th 2011 at 2:19:50 PM

This is the real world name for this particular kind of logical fallacy. There's pretty much no way it's getting renamed, as that would put this site out of sync with the rest of the world at large for terminology.

tbarrie Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Jul 18th 2011 at 2:30:29 PM

TV Tropes didn't name it, and the name is way too widespread to seriously consider changing it.

(And I think you're being overly sensitive. I can't imagine anybody believes the fallacy was named that because Scotsmen are unusually prone to it.)

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#4: Jul 18th 2011 at 2:47:29 PM

I'm a Scot who isn't offended by this trope name, for a counterbalance.

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#5: Jul 18th 2011 at 2:48:40 PM

Nthing keep. This is absolutely a pre-existing term and it is the generally recognized term for this particular logical fallacy. It is not an insult toward the Scottish people and it takes quite a stretch of the imagination to see how it could be taken as such.

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#6: Jul 18th 2011 at 3:28:39 PM

We have a lot of disputes over whether "pre-existing term in some corner of some fandom" trumps apparent lack of clarity. However, "pre-existing term used by everyone familiar with the concept" certainly trumps apparent lack of clarity.

edited 18th Jul '11 3:30:02 PM by TripleElation

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Gundamforce Since: Apr, 2010
#7: Jul 26th 2011 at 3:55:21 AM

I could see your point considering that this trope is used heavily when it comes to Misplaced Nationalism and the like. Although we haven't had such a problem with this I should probably put a No Real Life Examples Please disclaimer just in case. That said, I highly doubt it will be renamed considering that, as the others have said, the term is more known for being named as such.

edited 26th Jul '11 3:57:01 AM by Gundamforce

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#8: Jul 26th 2011 at 4:41:53 AM

Pre-existing term. End of story.

edited 26th Jul '11 4:42:09 AM by DoktorvonEurotrash

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