General Digimon Topic

This is just the guy who wrote Tamers, right? He's not responsible for any other season? Really sucks because Tamers was and still is my favorite season, but I guess I can give up on any chance of a good follow-up to it ever.

Ok I was kidding. Digimon has other good material that isnt by him. I heard the Frontier Drama was actually good.

It should be made clear that that's not what Konaka said. As far I see on his blog, he didn't say anything specific about Covid vaccine. In one post, he says that he did some research on viruses during 2020 and found it interesting that despite the usual image of viruses as simple pathogens, there's evidence that they've influenced human DNA and evolution in the past. And that on the hand, he's still doing research into vaccines with a skeptical eye.

He then goes into an aside about how he recently saw a post spreading around Twitter of the scene in Devilman Lady where the Japanese government forces its citizens to get an RNA-altering vaccine that's actually intended to change people into other creatures. He wrote the Devilman Lady anime and says that RNA vaccines were still a hypothetical idea at the time and he had no intention behind it, and that it shouldn't be taken as evidence for the existence of Predictive Programming (a conspiracy theory that much of fiction is produced by the government or some power with images of predictions for the future).

On an extra note, I've seen some people claim that Konaka is a 9/11 truther. He mentions 9/11 often in his blog because it happening while Tamers was airing meant it had some influence on the later episodes, and he makes some comments when talking about the D-Reaper destruction scenes. In one post he makes an aside about how in the 2010s he looked into 9/11 some because he felt the circumstances behind it and the following war were hazy. He found the conspiracy theories that it was an inside job unrealistic and ruled them out, but found some individual points raised by truthers to be curious. He then says that there are truthers who try to use logic to find the truth of 9/11, but they tend to clash in ugly ways because their viewpoints and ways of compiling their logic differ, and that in the end a Japanese person like him (Konaka) is in no position to know the truth of the matter.

What was it about?

Okay, a lot of things are making sense now. Thanks for the clarification.

Edited by Psyga315 on Aug 3rd 2021 at 7:30:07 AM

Let's just say I'm always in the camp of people who thinks our childhood series does not need a sequel. See what happens every single time? It just keeps getting worse. Tri is still okay-ish, but then we get Kizuna, and now Tamers drama. I don't have high hopes for the upcoming 02 movie, but we already know it's a continuation of Kizuna to begin with, so

I have a feeling they might not even be aware about the story until like, a few hours before they go up the stage, considering they are doing the drama while reading the script.





Anyway, moving on from the Tamers drama......

Yeah, that I'm interested in, because it looks like the guy might be the one getting Jellymon, and the girl gets Angoramon instead. And speaking of big partner, Angoramon might be our biggest Rookie by far (if it turns out to be a Rookie). For a Digimon based on a rabbit species, that thing looks like the size of a bear!

Edited by ShiningStardust on Aug 3rd 2021 at 10:35:34 PM

I like how the main mon looks to be based off a Triceratops when the rest are based off T-Rex’s or raptors.

Hopefully the evolution doesn't turn into a dragon or a humanoid knight like the rest.

Speaking of evolution, with how big Angoramon already is, I wonder how much bigger the evolution would be.....

I must pet the fluffy bunny, yes.

Odds are about the same for it to either get smaller at some point or for every version to be the biggest of the level, honestly.

So I heard that the whole cancel culture thing in tamers cd drama was just some cringe attempt at humor and wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. Can anybody who watched the drama confirm that?

https://mobile.twitter.com/Vrasda_Macka/status/1422725266640711684

So if this is true then does that mean then that Konaka has made Yamaki go senile.

Also now digimon in the tamers series can temporarily switch tamers if they wish? I was wondering that the first time when I read Takato giving Guilmon power through Ruki's smartphone but i thought there was more to that but apparently now it seems anybody can be a tamer for anybody else's digimon.

Edited by xyzt on Aug 5th 2021 at 6:15:55 PM

I'm incredibly disappointed, not on Konaka, but on this forum.

First, i'm seeing a lot of posters readily dismiss konaka to the trash bin because of something they hear/read from someone else, rather than looking up the "controversial" stage drama themselves first. Showing some impressive (lack of) capability for independent thinking here.

Second, the entire premise of tamers is that ideas (digignomes), monsters(digimon) or programs(d-reaper) that exist on a digital world can materialize in the real world. How do take that logic and conclude that the digital form of political correctness materialising breaks it? Never mind that the tamers never actually fight it since it vanishes by itself, and the idea being presented is simply that internet censorship is bad rather than anything related to far-right views or conspiracy theories, as stated on the disclaimer.

And speaking of the disclaimer, it supposedly refers to some of konaka's blog posts rather than the stage drama (yet why is it associated with the latter?), yet looking at the actual blog posts it is all incredibly tame. Yes Konaka is a fan of conspiracy theories and loves looking them up, but he never stops being sceptical of them. Tamers is set in 2001 so was affected by 9/11, and this is what he had to say about 9/11 truthers

Same story with the covid 19 conspiracy theories; he is interested in them, he agrees with some ideas yet not with all of them, yet the only thing that bothered him was the idea that people would rather cut them out entirely rather than discuss and form their own opinion even if they present their own sources and try to present a racional argument.

Finally he discusses his personal experience with the events of 2020, and how respectable institutions disappointed him

Yet if you just read the ANN article or the blog posts that inspired it you'd think he was personally endorsing 9/11 false flags theories, prefering james corbett views to institutions and that the "situation" that inspired him with his fiction was corbett's youtube account being removed rather than the overall events of 2020.

I'll finish by saying that after seeing the stage drama I felt that it was a bit too blunt for my tastes (like a polite south park episode) but forgivable given that it's a very short story carried entirely by very few voice actors, but after witnessing this disproportionate and outright dishonest response I sadly think konaka got it right.

Edited by lgcruz on Aug 4th 2021 at 3:10:21 PM

To be fair, the middle of a pandemic is a really poor time to talk about losing faith in international organisations and medical professionals when anti vaxxers everywhere are still threatening many with their stupidity.

I dont think Konaka is really an alt righter or intended to spread an alt right message but the guy really needs to understand timing. He really chose a poor time for making a joke about political correctness when the entire world is still in the middle of a pandemic. If you made a joke about say a cyclone in an area fixing some infrastructure a mere week after said cyclone had devastated said area, you would be rightfully treated as a jackass even if your intention wasn't to hurt the people but take a dig at the govt infrastructure administration. The same sentiment applies here, even slightly worse so as it unintentionally also aids those denialists whose misinformation causes even more damage to people around them

Although I got to say from the summary I am reading of this drama and what I read of 2018 drama, Konaka's skill as a writer sure seems to have diminished a bit. The malice bot being presented as the "clichéd devil" in a bid to hype it up more than the dreaper seemed to be making it even more 2 dimensional and bland by concept and description, and now this. It is either that or Konaka is just not good with the audio drama format.

Edited by xyzt on Aug 5th 2021 at 1:57:36 PM

Maybe it doesnt translate well from Japanese. The earlier description made it sound like a blunt parody more than anything else.

I guess this might be an interesting read regarding the situation?

Also, someone finally released a document containing a translation of Konaka's blog, and what it actually means.

Edited by ShiningStardust on Aug 6th 2021 at 2:51:34 AM

Hah, that's a load of crap. He endorsed James Corbett and said he didn't deserve to be terminated (absolute bullshit) he said he lost faith in international organizations, science, and....

And then he goes on with some crazy COVID conspiracy and finishes with "I'm just stating the facts".

At best, he's a moron.

You know, I avoided mentioning the specific blog post as well as the document behind it because the author somewhat wanted to keep it private and it opens an entirely new can of worms, but you do understand this is a confession that the fan translator is weaponizing a digimon release against the original creator ? If the fan translator wanted to avoid giving konaka a platform she could have simply not translated it, but she went the extra mile and announced her issues with konaka's blog posts on an unrelated stage drama and had the gall of accusing him of using the digimon platform to promote his views like she's doing. The stage drama definitely not mentions 9/11, covid 19, anti vaxxers, alt right news outlets, mRNA vaccines, etc.

As for the blog posts himself, I posted the direct translations using deepl for a reason. Konaka's views amount to believing that everyone should have a voice regardless of what they say, he is a fan of all kinds of conspiracy theories and likes to discuss them but not parrot them. He consistently makes his doubts clear on the issues he discusses and the translator consistently interprets that as him actually going with 100% belief in the theories but pretending otherwise. Like for example from this quote:

Konaka is basically replying to someone else asking him if he foresaw current events back in 1998 by saying no, since what he wrote was entirely fictional, does not apply to current events and is not meant to reveal some conspiracy. Yet from this the translator concludes:

Anyone can read through the lines? I find it fair if the translator disagrees with konaka's overall belief of unrestricted freedom and distrust in a single manufactured version of events, but not when she accuses him of doing things that are not true, and can simply be determined by reading the blog posts in question.

Edited by lgcruz on Aug 5th 2021 at 10:46:22 AM

Okay so it's safe to ignore your rants

What's wrong with deepl?

It's a machine translator like google translate and generally machine translators are not actually a good way to verify anything in another language.

direct translations using deepl

Even though I'm not really a Digimon fan, I do want to see the stage reading animated if just to see how OP cancel culture as a villian is. Mabye we could even get cancel culture sakuga. I can even imagine the eventual power scaling arguments:

Cancel Culture in its base firm (with time to prep) is stronger than ultra instinct Goku. Fight me.

Edited by AbrahamOmosun on Aug 5th 2021 at 5:25:30 AM

Considering how apparently the Cancel Culture attack does nothing, it's safe to say Goku beats Political Correctness.

Wait.

Edited by Psyga315 on Aug 5th 2021 at 10:08:04 AM

Well Dragon Ball still uses sexual harassment as humor (ergo Roshi) so it does beat political correctness I guess.

I can read Japanese for myself, and I can confirm that that that deepl translation is pretty accurate. It lines up with what I talked about in my previous post, where I summarized what Konaka said in his blogs in my own words.

And the charges made against Konaka in those blog posts are pretty disingenuous. Like, Konaka himself said he doesn't really believe the conspiracy theories, he just can't deny that there are some things surrounding the event that seem shady. That's a pretty normal opinion to have. To started hounding an average person with a bunch of random facts about 9/11 that used when theorizing, you'll probably get them to say "Yeah, there might be something shady going on with someone involved, I dunno." The main thing the blog writer seems to be indignant over is that they basically seem to think that truthers should never even be listened to or given a hint of credibility because some of them are racist. Which isn't a very compelling argument. Basically every event on the planet has people saying the Jews did it, I don't think that's reason to completely give up on having any suspicion about what governments and other organizations are doing that might lead to conspiracy theories.

As for the James Corbett thing, I don't have anything to say about that because Konaka himself didn't give any details about what exactly Corbett said he found interesting or compelling. There's some suspicion to be had given some of the dumb things Corbett talks about, but unless there's something concrete to talk about, I can't form an opinion on it. I will say that blog post takes a pretty disingenuous read of Konaka's blog post, but stating that he threw away all belief in science because of James Corbett. I think it's natural to read it as Konaka's suspicious surrounding medical community coming from the various events and actions by the media during the pandemic. The comments on Corbett are just an example of alternate and conspiratorial viewpoints getting stamped out, something Konaka gives other examples of in other places.

The Devilman Lady thing is extremely dumb. Konaka is just talking about it because other people where spreading it around Twitter and connecting it other conspiracy theories. Konaka is then just saying that no, he wasn't influenced into putting that in because of a conspiracy, it's just a coincidence. It's really reaching for a way to insult Konaka to say that this just a veiled way for him to say that the Covid vaccine is genetic-altering experiment conspiracy that he predicted in an anime. In fact, he's basically denying exactly that.

You know what?

I'm just opting out on the whole thing until all facts are 100% confirmed.

In the mean time, I'll continue to enjoy Tamers for what it is, and ignore what Konaka is like.