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That's a massive reach. The entire point of Chihaya's confidant is that anyone can change fate so long as they've got a strong will. It's how it ends with Chihaya using the same philosophy to try and get people to take control of the their own destinies and it's how it starts Chihaya suggesting a girl just break up with her abusive boyfriend in order to change her fate of being hospitalized.

These characters aren't acausal. Fate is just nowhere near the absolute omnipresent force that Chihaya thought it was in the Persona universe.

Edited by SavageSamurai on May 15th 2022 at 9:43:52 PM

Oh Shit, speaking of Joker, Therewolf Media released a Commissioned Track of Joker vs. Legionis (Persona vs. Astral Chain).

That's some major cops vs robbers stuff right there.

I mean Joker is durable enough that I doubt that Giorno would be able to kill him. So GER’s inclusion would likely make it a stalemate. Like even if GER kept spamming reset to zero, Giorno wouldn’t be strong enough to get a good hit on Joker. Plus while non-canon, Eyes of Heaven had DIO (Who mind you could warp reality with punches) counter GER. Plus Joker does have Almighty Attacks which could bypass the effects of the Omnipotent Orb which like GER, warps reality to protect the user from harm.

Regardless, if we get Joker vs Giorno and the former wins, it’s going to be the next Ben 10 vs Green Lantern

Edited by MisterZygarde64 on May 15th 2022 at 7:03:47 AM

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You know that Girono has his own ability to redirect blows back to the opponent as well right? It uses the animals he creates so it doesn’t even get canceled out due to the GER effect.

Again, Almighty attacks get around that with how it ignores the effects of the Omnipotent Orb that warps reality to protect the attacker and heck, the Omnipotent Orb itself could be equipped by Joker to nullify physical and magical damage (or just magical damage only in Persona 5 Royal) which does make it so that Giorno's only hope would be to redirect an attack but again, if an Almighty attack can get around an orb that will warp reality for the user to ensure they don’t take damage, I don’t see how it couldn’t do the same with GER using return to zero or redirecting blows back.

Edited by MisterZygarde64 on May 15th 2022 at 7:40:21 AM

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Can someone explain to me what's "Almighty" or something?

It’s basically the Infinity +1 Element of the Persona series.

Is it something Joker can get as the story goes on or is it something you have to go out of your way to get?

Can you explain it further if you could? Because, it does sound like it could help bypass GER, but it also sounds like it wouldn't matter if Joker will always be reverted back to zero no matter what, so it can't really be an option.

Edited by Mrbda241 on May 15th 2022 at 11:07:11 AM

It’s something that he’s expected to get at least some of (the playable version of his ultimate Persona has some Almighty attacks for example)

Basically Almighty skills are skills in the SMT property that don't get hindered by defenses such as repel and drain with a few exceptions that aren't even in the Persona series and are generally part of the main SMT series. Almighty skills can be both in the form of Physical and Special attacks

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So which would Joker specifically have access to regularly?

Sinful Shell is considered an Almighty Spell so that's one. There's also Megido, Megidola, and Megidolaon too.

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"That's a massive reach. The entire point of Chihaya's confidant is that anyone can change fate so long as they've got a strong will" No, that is not how it works within the game. Hell, at the beginning of the game they literally say that the future has been "sealed". Not to mention Chihaya even says that even with change they should have been heading down a dark path, no matter what they did. Joker was just the one to kick start it and unsealed fate. "These characters aren't acausal." Joker is. The whole point of the game is that Joker doesn't give a shit about what happened, he changes it anyway. Maruki should hard confirm that Joker is acausal, he was completely unaffected by it and even reverted Maruki's reverting. "You know that Girono has his own ability to redirect blows back to the opponent as well right? It uses the animals he creates so it doesn’t even get canceled out due to the GER effect." Almighty attacks are impossible to reflect. In the games you can at best soften the blow, but you will always be harmed by them. "Is it something Joker can get as the story goes on or is it something you have to go out of your way to get?" You have to beat one of the characters in a side battle. "Like even if GER kept spamming reset to zero, Giorno wouldn’t be strong enough to get a good hit on Joker" Inb 4 someone wanks Giorno and says he can "reset stats to zero"

Ok dude calm down. You are way to aggressive about this.

I don't know about the Omnipotent Orb thing though. I can't find any evidence that says it's "Reality Warping", just that it nullifies Any and all attacks but the "Almighty" skills. Just because it has an epic name, doesn't really mean it fits the description. I can be wrong and it does specifically say as such, but again, it really could just mean that it has limits to Almighty skills, doesn't mean they are "Anti-Reality Warping" in general because of it.

Now given the nature of it, there should be better examples, which I like to hear, but only from Persona 5, because that is what were discussing here.

Yeah, Joker does not have actual resistance to reality warping, despite what VBW would like you to think. Heck, the end of Persona 5 Royal even supports this, with Susceptible to Maruki’s reality warping, like how in the final battle with him he says you can’t use a certain type of attack. If you try, he just makes it not happen, funny enough in a way sorta similar to GER.

Almighty attacks are basically just Non-Elemental attacks that exist outside of the element chart. You can’t be Weak to or resist them, but they also do more damage then regular elemental attacks.

Edited by Thebrawlbro on May 15th 2022 at 3:31:17 PM

Technically speaking, Almighty element is usually off the elemental table, but there have been some demons and Shadows that are affected by them. For example, the Contrarian King in Persona 4 resists Almighty attacks.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!

Question. Do you think Alucard's third eye should have been able to see DIO's stand or not?

Maybe? It specifically lets you see through illusions, so not sure if Stand invisibility would count under that. Doesn’t change the match regardless though.

Here’s the scan that states the whole Omnipotent Orb warping reality thing

Edited by MisterZygarde64 on May 15th 2022 at 9:55:08 AM

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Okay, That's something, I removed my previous question because regardless if it's an optional item for Joker to use or not, it's not the thing being call to question right now. Though, because it sounds like "God Mode", I don't really think it has much storyline purposes, and it sounds like something you have to go out of you way to get.

3I mean it's not impossible to see them. DB did give Kenshiro a way to sense Star Platinum, however, Alucard, regardless if he could see The World or not, would be too slow to do anything about, nor be able to hurt it

Edited by Mrbda241 on May 15th 2022 at 1:02:54 AM

Just here to remind you of the existence of Maya Amano (the protagonist of Persona 2: Eternal Panishment), whose ultimate persona, Artemis, has an ability to repel Almighty skills alongside with all magical attacks.

I don't think Almighty Orb is even a canon thing in Persona story. It's just gaming equipment aka something you shouldn't really take seriously because it never matters within the story of the game. Like I had similar discussion where people were trying to take the powers you get from certain Spider-Man suits in the PS 4 game seriously, and I'm like it's not like he's really one shotting people in story if he just fights in his undies and mask.

Edited by ImmaLelouch on May 15th 2022 at 4:23:16 AM

Also, GER I believe would still work against if the Omnipotent Orb was considered and probably even Almighty skills. Remember, Ger defeated King Crimson, a Stand basically controls it's own reality warping powers, Time, and King Crimson isn't no "Requiem" stand either, it's just a strong stand (Araki only knows if it went Requiem). Also, with Epitaph, which is described something that can only be countered by those who can control fate, can foresee events happening and are always bound to happen, like Giorno's death. GER made sure it didn't happen.

Are "Almighty" skills resisted to Time attacks? Like, let's say you reverse time and prevent the Almighty Skill from happening, would it work?

Because if not, wouldn't Giorno, or more specifically GER, just have Joker in a repeated state of having his Almighty skills in a loop? Making it a non factor?

Edited by Mrbda241 on May 15th 2022 at 1:28:24 AM