DEATH BATTLE

Oh right. they even mentioned Sora in this video.

Damn. I kinda wanted to see the universe melt their brains.

Alright. I guess we hang our hopes on the Nasu Verse.

One Strip! One Strip!

Didn't do much Lore with Sora though.

Watch Symphogear

I didn't expect to get copyright law tidbit in that video.

Can't wait for 2024 and Death Battle's new co-host.

Bleye knows Sabers.

You mean until Disney lobbies Congress to mutilate the public domain even further...

Ok what did I miss?

"Checks Death Battle TV Tropes page and sees that Season 8's is Yoda vs King Mickey!"

Not impressed with this matchup at all, I'm 100% banking that Yoda loses so Death Battle doesn't get sued for using Disney's mascot in a negative light (Ben was against doing this matchup for a good reason due to fears of getting sued to death by Disney). (Even though Yoda's getting his EU feats like Obi-Wan and Luke before him which should put him far above any of King Mickey's best feats, but I know they'll BS a win for the Mouse seeing as Yoda is another hated character from Ben's past).

Or, you know, Mickey is a Trickster God toon character with Toon Force on his side and Japanese RPG bullsh-t in his wheel house and he might actually stand a good chance against Yoda.

Though I do question why they're doing this match, the one that could cost them, and not dozens of other matches, like Alex vs Cole or the Link vs Cloud rematch.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

You know you could just wait for the fight to come out, see if they do have Mickey win, and review their arguments for or against his win before deciding prematurely that this is an awful match that they’ll have Mickey win just to not get sued.

Or I guess you could do just that.

Or just wait for the results here once the 7th arrives for First Members.

Granted I wouldn't mind Mickey pulling off a win seeing as he's quite beloved worldwide, but this is against Master Yoda. (Whose as iconic in the Star Wars fandom as Luke, Han, Leia, Darth Vader (even though he lost to Dr. Doom) if not more so).

Though I don't think King Mickey has Toon Force (as that's usually normal Mickey's whole shtick), if he does have it then Yoda has 0 chances of winning.

Link vs Cloud is going to be the 150th episode. (Same deal with Mario vs Sonic 2 being the 100th episode).

Edited by VioletParrfan1989 on Mar 3rd 2021 at 5:26:19 AM

Yeah they like doing that.

Edited by Pokesamus on Mar 3rd 2021 at 5:23:53 AM

I think that was their point.
Sora's story can be summarized as "he's a boy who lost his world to darkness and came into the possession of a weapon that seals said darkness, and fights to prevent other worlds from falling to darkness while training to become a proper Keyblade Master."
King Mickey's can be summarized as "the king of a world in the KH universe and one of the greatest Keyblade wielders to ever live."

Whereas the given example of Xehanort, or other characters like Riku and Ventus, have way more complicated stories that are more intrinsically tied to the greater bullshit that is Kingdom Hearts- almost literally.

King Mickey doesn't have toonforce, but as mentioned he does get JRPG bullshit. Stuff like, say, timestopping multiple incarnations of the main antagonist for a minute or so. Or healing a mortally wounded person from across the universe. Or being able to walk between dimensions as an evasive maneuver.

He's not cutting the entire galaxy in half any time soon, but he does have a lot of cheaty stuff that can either win him the fight instantly or cancel out Yoda's potential wincons.

Edited by NesClassic on Mar 3rd 2021 at 8:47:55 AM

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Wait, are they using an exclusively KH-version of Mickey here? Wow. That's... interesting.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Yeah that’s been specified, which makes sense. Narrows the feats and all, and only that version is a good analogue to Yoda.

That said, I can’t remember. Didn’t a lot of the classic Mickey Mouse cartoons take place in the past of the KH canon?

Edited by ToadTV on Mar 3rd 2021 at 6:30:27 AM

Yeah. Black and white Mickey is canon to KH.

The films used for KH are specifically Steamboat Willie, Building a Building, Gulliver Mickey, Mickey's Fire Brigade and Mickey's Orphans. Also The Three Musketeers.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Mar 3rd 2021 at 10:25:55 AM

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire

I mean yes, but that hasn't and really shouldn't invalidate the character's entire history. I like Kingdom Hearts but it's got to be a fraction of who Mickey Mouse is as a character. Epic Mickey, Fantasia just for starters.

If they're going to play fast and loose like that then Yoda might as well be restricted from EU feats because, far as Disney is currently concerned, the Legends and EU stuff is non-canon.

Edited by FOFD on Mar 3rd 2021 at 7:47:32 AM

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

I get where you’re coming from, but I think it’s a similar case to Archie Sonic. Choosing that specific version of the character due to fitting more and clashing a bit with the rest of his material.

iirc they also mentioned that they’re open to using regular old Mickey at some point in the future, it’s just that King Mickey makes a lot more sense here, which I agree with.

I suppose. It's just with Archie Sonic it's markedly different from what is "canon" for Sonic, and it's done by an entirely different set of artists and writers. It's easier to justify "okay this is an entirely different version of this central idea."

While that is true of Mickey, as noted above, cartoon!Mickey is still "canon" to Kingdom Hearts.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).

Your right, but it still has every Disney related product being meddled with Sora, Donald and Goofy at times, meaning that the entire universe is just a different one all together.

King Mickey doesn't really act the same as the Mickey we all know, and has powers way different than you'd expect from his usual stuff. Same as Archie Sonic.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Mar 3rd 2021 at 7:54:31 AM

Personally I think it’s both for ease of research and presentation of that research in the fight (narrowing it down to KH canon and potentially certain classic Mickey Mouse cartoons, which may be relevant come the full episode) as well as keeping the connection between the two combatants stronger.

Though on an unrelated note, I need to ask. If the original Mickey Mouse shorts are canon...how far back in the KH universe’s past was those? How old are Mickey, Donald and Goofy? Do we have a definitive answer there?

Should note this was already sort of addressed in Sora's analysis- they scaled his durability to a feat Hercules had in the first game, but don't acknowledge Herc's more significant movie feats whatsoever.

As noted above the KH version of Disney stories are more of a Broad Strokes approach, adaptations of the original rather than insinuations that the original work as-it-was is canon. Mickey doesn't display outright toon force in Timeless River, since it's more consistent with his present self and Sora's the one solving all those issues anyways.

Edited by NesClassic on Mar 3rd 2021 at 10:58:52 AM

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Keep in mind when they used Sora, it was Pre KH 3, which shows Hercules pulling off his big movies feats as flinging the titans into space.

Watch Symphogear

It still happened in-game, therefore in-canon of Kingdom Heart, which should be fair game.

I wonder who could fight someone from Darksiders.

I'd say Death should get a fight. Sure War prolly beats him in pure brute force but Death is explicitly regarded as the most powerful Horseman due to his gigantic arsenal weaponry and usage of various spells and techniques, surpassing his younger brother in firepower and skill.

Death now the eldest of the Nephilim is a being created from the fusion of Angels and Demons, who betrayed his own people and exterminated them to protect humans. Despite his normally abrasive appearance, he is a far kinder man than his name would imply being haunted with a ginormous guilt complex over the various atrocities he's committed even if they were necessary and is protective to his siblings to the point he would lay down his life for them without hesitation.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 3rd 2021 at 8:12:26 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

There has got to be someone from 90's comic books who can fight the Darksiders on even keel. It's clear the artists for that series where Gen Xers who grew up reading Spawn.

Bleye knows Sabers.

First, Ben said he didn't want Yoda in Death Battle because of what he's become in terms of a fighter and how he disliked his fight scenes in Episode 2, thinking that it wasn't fitting for his character. Sam was the one who said he didn't want to use Mickey because they didn't want to be sued. Ben wasn't against using Mickey at all.

Second, you don't even seem to know what King Mickey's capable of, because there is genuine hax like time stopping that could net him the win, you're just stuck on this wild theory that Yoda should win but Ben and Chad are too scared of Disney.

Third, on the chance that Mickey wins and they provide a very good explanation as to why, you're probably not gonna believe it anyway and just stick to your Youtube Commenter conspiracy that they're kowtowing to a bigger company because it's easier than admitting you were wrong.

I've talked to several of the researchers and writers, and I never had the feeling that they were out to do a matchup or draw a conclusion out of spite, malice, or fear. I don't think they're infallible, but they're certainly not assholes.

Is this another part of pony friendship? Telling each other what you learned all the time?

I too think having Mick show up for the first time and not just using Mickey in general is a bit of a waste, given how... exclusive this one particular version of Mickey is. It's one or two shades more insular than Archie Sonic, seeing as the Archie Sonic stuff is nearly twenty years old, has multimedia exposure and has a rather larger share of its source materials' fanbase's attention than Kingdom Hearts has to general Disney fans.

It's baffling, but whatever. It's their show.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.