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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#198651: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:31:46 PM

Yep. Break out your Chinese MAGA hats

Gilphon Since: Oct, 2009
#198652: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:38:13 PM

In addition to that being... morally flawed, it's just plain counterproductive. Listening to people like that is not a thing politicians are known to do- indeed, standing firm in their stances against threats like that tend to gain them support.

Plus it's friccken' Heller, who, as things stand, is the most likely person to cast the deciding vote. It's the place where we can afford that kind of fuckery the least. If it had been some rank-and-file senator from a super red state, it'd still be shitty, but we could at least say 'well, they were definitely going to vote for it anyway, so at least it's not really affecting anything'. But here? Can you imagine if Heller decides 'strongman who doesn't give in to death threats' is the image he wants in 2018, and this makes him vote Yes? And if that makes BCRA pass?

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#198653: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:39:32 PM

Who's to say the crazy guy is a leftist? Wasn't the bill deeply unpopular among all parties?

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#198655: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:49:45 PM

Unfortunately cases like this are probably inevitable. Desperate humans are apt to do stupid things and if it's life and death on the line even more so.

At some point you can only shake your head sadly/angrily and ask "well what the fuck did you expect?"

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#198656: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:50:56 PM

Aparently the WH made at Stament about Venezuela saying maduro is a bad leader who want to be a dictator.

....i dont really know how to feel right now

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#198657: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:52:28 PM

Ah, Republicans, the party of projection

edited 17th Jul '17 4:52:39 PM by sgamer82

Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#198658: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:53:47 PM

[up][up]Well... that is just peak Republican. The projection is off the charts...

"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -Hylarn
Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#198659: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:06:50 PM

Well... that is just peak Republican

Don't tempt fate.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#198660: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:13:20 PM

It is a bit like calling something "foolproof", in that it only guarantees someone fool enough to defy expectations will turn up

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#198661: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:16:21 PM

I check out and yep, the WH said the people of venezuela show a desire for free election and democracy but Maduro ignore it because is a bad leader with aspiration of dictatorship....

I use this to repeat to all people here from the states that chavismos is pretty much trumpism before it was mainstrain, so you can get a clue or two of trum behivor from us

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#198662: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:16:40 PM

[up][up][up],[up][up] That is...rather terrifying and a good point.

edited 17th Jul '17 5:16:50 PM by Fourthspartan56

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#198663: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:30:33 PM

So, I see by Twitter trends that we are now in fact a few weeks into hurricane season (with Tropical Storm Don forming in the Caribbean but unlikely to make an impact though the irony would be palpable if it did). We still don't have a head of FEMA, do we?

This season's hurricane forecast.

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#198664: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:34:09 PM

Tropical Storm Don? Really? [lol]

edited 17th Jul '17 5:46:42 PM by RainehDaze

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#198665: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:34:16 PM

@Unkowing: Honestly, the collapse of globalized trade and the rise of neo-mercantalism may be unavoidable, with or without Trump. Free trade is only viable with a unipolar hegemony or certain bi-polar configurations. The decline of British hegemony in the early 20th century led to increasingly protectionist trade policies, and as a consequence of those policies and other poor decision by policymakers, the great depression.

TheWanderer Student of Story from Somewhere in New England (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#198666: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:39:51 PM

I have no idea what "predatory sales of online goods" means. Does that mean pirating? Is there anything that can be done to stop that?

This is probably him continuing with his line that online companies like Amazon don't pay sales tax, despite anyone who's has shopped on amazon knowing for a fact that this isn't true. And the comment likely is just a continuation of his feud with Jeff Bezos.

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FireCrawler2002 Since: Apr, 2017
#198667: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:58:20 PM

Trumpcare is deaded.

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#198668: Jul 17th 2017 at 5:59:48 PM

[up] If that's true, then the BCRA is once and for all dead.

And it's starting to look like the House's Budget will also die, as the Freedom Caucus is saying they won't support the Budget until they know what the Tax Reform plan is. Keep in mind, the House is still going on vacation in August, so... We may be facing a Republican-Caused Government Shutdown (again)...

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#198669: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:01:05 PM

I'll call Trump's Venezuela statement a stopped clock moment. And speaking of stopped clocks, apparently Netanyahu told Macron he doesn't believe Trump's interested in pushing for a solution to the I-P conflict (source was Haaretz, can't find article right now).

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#198670: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:05:17 PM

Honestly, the collapse of globalized trade and the rise of neo-mercantalism may be unavoidable, with or without Trump. Free trade is only viable with a unipolar hegemony or certain bi-polar configurations. The decline of British hegemony in the early 20th century led to increasingly protectionist trade policies, and as a consequence of those policies and other poor decision by policymakers, the great depression.
Certainly possible, but this seems a tad a tad preemptive. After-all the EU and Japan fairly recently established a Free-Trade agreement. So it's too early to count Free Trade out.

edited 17th Jul '17 6:05:42 PM by Fourthspartan56

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kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#198671: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:06:19 PM

[up][up][up]How much would this affect any Government jobs? Because I work at the DMV with the MN Department of Public Health and Safety, so if I'm at risk at getting forced unpaid vacation because of Republican BS, I'd like to know.

edited 17th Jul '17 6:06:53 PM by kkhohoho

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#198672: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:20:35 PM

That's state government, not federal. Unless Minissota is also having a budget fight, you're clear.

CenturyEye Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign? from I don't know where the Yith sent me this time... Since: Jan, 2017 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Tell Me, Have You Seen the Yellow Sign?
#198673: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:20:37 PM

The DMV is generally a state thing unless something's gone awry where you are.

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MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#198674: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:22:35 PM

So would the shutdown affect say, the Pentagon or the FCC?

edited 17th Jul '17 6:23:27 PM by MorningStar1337

RainehDaze Figure of Hourai from Scotland (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: Serial head-patter
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#198675: Jul 17th 2017 at 6:25:11 PM

My question is: if the GOP shuts down the government whilst being a majority in every body, can it really keep going as a single party?

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