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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Looks like he deleted the account.
Also, I'm assuming these aren't the people we want to bring into the democratic coalition, right?
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:00:39 AM
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
I don't think any moderates will unite under Warren because she's every bit as radical as Sanders, only with better relations to the Democratic Party. Bloomberg got in the race against her after all.
I favor Sanders over her but her recent marijuana policy means I'm still iffy. It's like 1% more for Sanders.
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 24th 2020 at 6:01:50 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
People don't always vote according to lanes. Warren just has to make her case that she's capable and appear to be less "extreme" than Sanders. If she looks the best among the rest of the field in debates and such, it's possible that she might be able to gain more traction.
Edited by Draghinazzo on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:01:11 AM
While I don't pity Sanders, I do believe that even if he were to speak more vocally about this it's not as if it'd do any good. In fact it might paint an additional target on his back from the ultra-radicals who see him as too weak on "liberals" (not even as in moderates, but anyone perceived as insufficiently hardline or militant including other radicals who favor more pacifistic forms of direct action). These kinds of people care more about iconoclasm than meaningful policy, and mostly latched onto Sanders because they needed as left of an idealogue to cling to as they could. They're the left equivalent of the alt-lite in terms of being young angry men channeling their pent-up rage into political asshattery and harassment, except at least it's not fascism.
Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:13:29 AM
Would that it were so simple.
Sanders is a magnet for the Dirtbag Left, but if he wins us an election, realpolitik demands that his populism be tolerated for now. We might get some good policy out of him before his heart gives out for real.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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Whoa now, careful with that horseshoe theory.
If Trump's Mickey D's eating ass hasn't kicked by now, I doubt Sanders would keel over during office.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:03:23 AM
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
She/her
While volunteering, I’ve had pretty good success with Klobuchar, Pete, and undecided moderate voters. Voters like people, not necessarily lanes.
Yeah. Warren's drop in the polls for most of this year coincided with a rise in support for Buttigieg and Klobuchar. And the drop in support for Bloomberg after the last debate coincided with Warren's resurgence. I'm saying coincided because I can't read peoples minds as to why they're supporting this person over that suddenly, but the implication is pretty obvious. "Moderate" and "Progressive" mean a lot to a lot of people, but there's an even bigger support for the person who is in the "Winner" lane.
Edited by Parable on Feb 24th 2020 at 6:10:42 AM
Bernie has promised to veto an extension of the Patriot Act.
Woot.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
YES.
This is a really major issue for me.
https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1232133076186214402?s=21
He’s doubling down
New Survey coming this weekend!
Evil can sometimes do good despite being evil...but they're still evil, nothing will ever change that. You can still praise the idea while hating the person who gave it.
Edited by ScubaWolf on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:55:58 AM
"In a move surprising absolutely no one"
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x2 Sanders, stop. Stop trying to pull a Trump; no amount of 'but the literacy rate' makes up for Fidel's brutal suppression of dissidents and support for vile murderous thugs and regimes.
The only thing that makes this better then Trump is that he does say the Castro Regime have been over all bad (Trump acts like the Dictators he loves are saints sent from Heaven itself). He really just needs to stop singing Castro's praises.
He's not "pulling a Trump", it's a terrible idea politically but from a principles perspective acknowledging the good an authoritarian government has done is not endorsing authoritarianism.
Would that it were so simple.
It's worth noting that Stalin also initiated a sea change in Russian literacy rates. All this means is that organized literacy programs, in isolation, work. It shouldn't be used to validate the regime.
Bernie needs to stop. This is exactly why socialists lose in this country. They're too caught up in trying to stan or rehabilitate nutjob communist leaders from history or abroad that they forget that the objective of standing as a candidate in an election is to win.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
I literally don't know what our current status is with Cuba. I thought Obama normalized most of the relations we had with the dictatorship. Did Trump overthrow that too?
But call me crazy, Bernie was pretty nasty in that.
That's pretty upfront "You suck."
Edited by CharlesPhipps on Feb 24th 2020 at 7:08:33 AM
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Oh, bother.
Wow, you can actually hear the odds of Florida going Blue in November plummeting.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Shin Megami Tensei IV
What? That is super mild criticism. Is a token "I don't like them but-"
And yeah, Obama normalized relations with Cuba. The American progressives liked that it got criticism on Countries that have...issues related to the Cuban regime
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:10:50 AM
Watch me destroying my country
Calling a regime authoritarian is one of the worst things you can call it. It's the Moral Event Horizon after all.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
Oh, bother.
Friggin' tankies.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Shin Megami Tensei IV
You haven't truly know how apologia work then. I don't believe Bernie is a full Castrist but he is pretty tone deaf
Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:11:45 AM
Watch me destroying my country
Would that it were so simple.
Bernie is immensely tone-deaf. Complimenting the Castro regime is exactly the kind of bugaboo that drives vital demographics away from progressives.
"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
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x7 We still do have relations with Cuba, but our relations have chilled with them; most travel has been restricted, especially after those weird Havana sicknesses in 2017.
The point is though that Bernie needs to shut up about Castro.
Edited by DingoWalley1 on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:19:16 AM
I don't think Bernie is a Castrist either, he's walked back his initial support of the Venezuelan regime lately so he isn't a dogmatic tankie and authoritarianism has never been a real issue of his platform. He's just kind of an idiot.
Besides, literacy rates are a strange hill to die on, considering a lot of other countries like Costa Rica have managed to pull that off without the authoritarianism. What Castro did isn't all that special in that regard.
It'd have been something totally more understandable and sympathetic if what Sanders said was closer to something like pointing out that Castro did a lot to abolish racist laws and that it's absolutely a thing worth celebrating considering things quite bad under Batista, but that in addition to the authoritarianism Castro was also a huge homophobe who stigmatized queerness as a sign of bourgeois counterrevolutionary leanings, to make a point about political legacies being complicated and not easy to make blanket statements about
Edited by AlleyOop on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:22:19 AM
Volunteer for Warren, I’m just saying