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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Even predicting the Democratic primary is a fool's errand at this point.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Speaking of Harris, I might as well ask:
I'm hearing some rumblings about her being pro-ICE? Naturally I'm skeptical of this claim, but do any of you know where this comes from?
My honest feeling: If Donald J Trump wins a second term as President of the United States, the country will at that point deserve whatever it gets.
Once is an anomaly, something that can be course corrected like we're currently doing. But after two more years of what we've already had, with clear outrage even from his own side from time to time, after victories like the last midterm, I feel like Trump getting reelected would be a monumental failure for all involved.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2018 at 3:37:56 AM
Considering there's recent news of her criticizing ICE for appearing KKK-like, I highly doubt it. Granted, it is mainly conservative news sites that are reporting on it.
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Given how massively unpopular he is, at that point it would also mean the institutions meant to guard democracy in the US have eroded to the point where they're no longer able to function anymore.
Edited by AlleyOop on Nov 15th 2018 at 5:40:21 AM
She/her
Harris is someone whose had a long career in law enforcement, on the prosecution side. A lot of criminal justice and sex worker advocates are skittish of her for that reason. She’s no Jeff Sessions, obviously, but she’s not Michelle Alexander either.
Kamala Harris has compared the ICE with the Klan but I am getting conflicting info on scrapping it. Might be waffling on it.
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Let's get something clear: Trump is ultimately symptomatic of a greater problem in the USA, and that's related to the victory of Reagan's capitalism at the end of the Cold War. His entire speech appeals to those that want to see the USA lording the world without regards of other countries, or at the least the ones that don't "matter".
Edited by raziel365 on Nov 15th 2018 at 2:46:34 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
I think the problem goes way, way further back the Reagan. I mean, after WWII, it didn't take long for the main European countries (which didn't have it already) to introduce healthcare for all one way or another. Why didn't the US? And why didn't they learn anything from the Nazis and were comfortable with treating people like second class citizens?
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Truman pushed for it throughout his terms, but a coalition of republicans and southern democrats held fast against it, decrying its cost (a talking point for the democrats to cover the more obvious reason; it would mean a faster path to desegregation), and of course "COMMUNISM".
Edited by carbon-mantis on Nov 15th 2018 at 6:02:33 AM
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I would even go further and mention this is an issue that can be traced back to the very independence of the USA, after all, one of the basis for the state was the Dutch Republic.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Let's get something clear: Trump is ultimately symptomatic of a greater problem in the USA, and that's related to the victory of Reagan's capitalism at the end of the Cold War. His entire speech appeals to those that want to see the USA lording the world without regards of other countries, or at the least the ones that don't "matter".
Anka Aquila
The thing is that Trump cannot be considered an anomaly, but a consequence of an inner failing in the country that allows such a person to rise to power.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Ah. I stand by my statement, though, if Trump gets a second term despite everything his opponents and he himself do over the course of his first term.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Reminder that Trump lost the popular vote by a pretty huge margin.
Kinda hard to say America deserves him when most people didn't want him.
Oh really when?
I'm not saying we do... yet. It's only of we, as a nation, fine him power twice in a row, knowing all we do now and what will come. If most people want him and he's reelected anyway, then it's a massive failure as well on the part of those wanting to stop him
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:17:39 AM
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
And if he loses the popular vote the second time as well?
Oh really when?
Trump does say a lot of unflattering things about the US, but a lot of things had to go right for him to win as well.
The point is that Trump is a symptom, not the underlying illness. And with a little bit of luck, the US might have finally realized its own sickness, and will do something about it. But that won't work if everyone thinks that the battle is over once Trump is out of office.
It doesn't matter. The popular vote in a presidential election is symbolic, at best. All it means is twice the population said they didn't want him and he still won anyway.
Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 15th 2018 at 4:19:18 AM
If anything the fact that so many seats in the US government are currently hold by people elected by a minority shows how deeply problematic the whole system is.
I'm actually curious if Trump getting elected despite losing the popular vote might be the thing that spurs serious changes in our election system (obviously after he's out of power, whenever that is).
If so, while Trump being president will still have been terrible, that's some good to have been a result of it. Even if it would have obviously been better if he could have been avoided entirely.
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Of course, the problem is that doing away with the Electoral Collegue would be setting a timebomb if done wrong because that could make the cities the prime seats of election while the countryside could be completely ignored in the presidential campaign.
Edited by raziel365 on Nov 15th 2018 at 3:28:12 AM
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
Im no pollster, but I think if the election were held today, I would give Trump's chances as 55 to 45.
That's fair
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