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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13526: Oct 29th 2018 at 7:06:34 PM

If you were wondering what the Greeks REALLY thought of women (unlike in this game), look no further than the myth of the origin of Medusa. The woman was raped by Poseidon in a temple of Athena. Athena was so angry that it happened in HER temple, that she punished Medusa by turning her hair (of which she was very vain) into hideous snakes.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#13527: Oct 29th 2018 at 7:11:23 PM

Or, you know, the bazillion times Zeus raped a mortal and Hera went after them and the resulting children instead of her philandering husband. tongue

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#13528: Oct 29th 2018 at 7:13:15 PM

Apparently there's a fair amount of scholarly debate around Athena specifically and what she means for women and the view of women. I read an interesting post that basically said 'it's complicated and we can't say wholly one way or another whether Athena was a misogynistic figure or not'.

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#13529: Oct 29th 2018 at 7:51:42 PM

I mean, I've seen people who suggested that the Medusa story was interpreted very differently depending on who was telling it in that time; women or men.

Men saw it was 'Athena turned her into a monster because she was raped by Posidon" while women read it as "Athena blessed her with suck, but she'd never be harmed by men ever again".

I vaguely remember something about Medusa's head being a rather normal symbol for something to do with women, but I don't remember if I ever fact-checked it either.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#13530: Oct 29th 2018 at 7:53:11 PM

Yeah but Athena then sets Perseus on her, so...

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#13531: Oct 29th 2018 at 8:10:11 PM

Another important thing to take into consideration with Greek Myths: Consider every myth in its own continuity. Its something my Mythology Professor last year made clear. Yes, some stories lead from one to the other but the thing about oral tradition is that the stories would quickly evolve depending on who was telling it and who they were telling the story to.

The 'Athena sent Perceus to kill Medusa' idea could be a spawn out of the 1st interpretation, but not the 2nd.

Not to mention how many myths have the same story but one or two different details. I believe some of the Hercules Labors are different depending on the source.

DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#13532: Oct 29th 2018 at 9:13:23 PM

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You also often have different versions of the same story depending on the region.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#13533: Oct 29th 2018 at 10:16:05 PM

When I taught mythology, my accent was:

"The Greeks lived in a world which was manifestly unjust and unfair. So they pointed out reality's rulers were often capricious and unfair. It left them with a decided comfort of sorts."

It's also why Apollo, Hestia, and Athena were the most popular gods as (a few incidents aside) they were the least assholish. Also, why Zeus Took a Level in Kindness by becoming the God of Justice.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Oct 29th 2018 at 10:16:34 AM

Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#13534: Oct 30th 2018 at 1:11:24 AM

I think there's also two realities at work here:

The mythology, the stories that can be understood in human terms and answer human questions and concerns.

The "reality", that the gods were hideously alien rulers of reality and who showed up in human form to not kill every single human they came across (as one dalliance of Zeus found out thanks to Hera).

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#13535: Oct 30th 2018 at 1:36:36 AM

God Is Flawed is an attitude also which is only strange to Abrahamic societies.

I will say...

This game has gotten to become a slog.

The grind here is much-much worse than Bayek's adventure.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#13536: Oct 30th 2018 at 1:40:17 AM

I've managed to avoid the grind mostly.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Perpetually Confused
#13537: Oct 30th 2018 at 4:36:26 AM

I honestly never noticed the grind. Mostly coz I just did sidequests as I came across them. I do get that if you just want to focus on the main plot, the grind is real though.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13538: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:22:32 AM

Actually, Old Testament god was an asshole god as well. It took nearly exterminating humanity with a flood to snap him out of it.

Interestingly, with becoming more benign, the Christian god also lost a lot of personality and relatability. Which might explain why he pretty much dissapears from the Bible later on.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#13539: Oct 30th 2018 at 5:37:29 AM

New Testament God’s contact with humans is mostly through being Jesus, so I wouldn’t exactly say he gets less personality.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13540: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:03:41 AM

I guess, but then you get into that complicated mess that is the Holy Trinity.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#13541: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:11:11 AM

Well Batman, Superman, & Wonder Woman do have a complex relationship with each other. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#13542: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:12:39 AM

It’s really not that complicated. Three distinct entities, all of them are God. Not separate gods. The same God. For a metaphysical being, it could be a lot worse.

Anyway, Assassin’s Creed. Any way to dress up Alexios/Kassandra in a more Assassin-y outfit if you want to?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13543: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:23:17 AM

Yes, actually, there are several suspiciously assassin-y hoods available as "helmets". There is also an epic or legendary outfit that is basically Altair's or Ezio's costume.

Optimism is a duty.
BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
The Fastest Man Alive
#13544: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:24:34 AM

Any chest pieces that are more fabric and less “full plate armour”?

blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#13545: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:28:08 AM

Traveler's clothes, hunter's clothes, etc.

Plenty.

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#13546: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:29:07 AM

Mercenary breastplate is the one that goes with the hoods though. I've been upgrading Penelope's hood the whole time. It changes color depending on which Merc's chest you're wearing. I like it.

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13547: Oct 30th 2018 at 6:43:06 AM

Oh, that's really cool. That's a great reason to hold on to that.

Optimism is a duty.
RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#13548: Oct 30th 2018 at 7:10:16 AM

I personally really like the Hunter chestpiece because of the rad face paint it gives Kass.

It's been fun.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13549: Oct 30th 2018 at 8:14:51 AM

Does anyone else think the resource gathering system is a bit unbalanced? I never need to actively collect anything besides wood, making hunting practically superfluous.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 30th 2018 at 4:15:11 PM

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blkwhtrbbt The Dragon of the Eastern Sea from Doesn't take orders from Vladimir Putin Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Dragon of the Eastern Sea
#13550: Oct 30th 2018 at 8:17:44 AM

I NEVER have enough leather. I'm constantly hunting and chasing down ships hoping they've got leather

Say to the others who did not follow through You're still our brothers, and we will fight for you

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