Split or rename idea: Foe Yay

I was thinking about doing something with Foe Yay. Sure, it's a common factor that heroes and villains kind of are obsessed with each other, but in a sexual way? Sounds like someone has their slash goggles on too tightly again. What I'm suggesting is a rename or split...something like "Hero-Villain Special Connection" or something, kind of like an Evil Counterpart to Heterosexual Life-Partners.

Fact is, Foe Yay is a snowclone of Ho Yay, and it grew a life of its own. True "Foe Yay" is purely YMMV, but there is something, it's just not Foe Yay but commonly gets misplaced there. What say you?

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It's far too entrenched to change now, methinks.

Well, the long-standing Nightmare Fuel was renamed to Accidental Nightmare Fuel (this left out-of-place lists and awkward sentences still in the wiki) and even It Just Bugs Me was named to Headscratchers. Anything's possible.

edited 15th Jun '11 10:55:36 AM by PS3D

Those were mainly because of misuse. Gross misuse. As in "Anything Remotely Scary"= "Nightmare Fuel" and "I Don't Like This" = "Just Bugs Me"

Check 51 random Wiks, and if you get 26 or more instances of misuse, then you can opt to change the title.

edited 15th Jun '11 11:12:01 AM by SalFishFin

Sounds fair. Maybe I'll do that this weekend or some other time.

Still planning on this, just wait a week or so. Don't archive yet.

I wish we locked threads after only a week of inactivity. Maybe things would actually get done. Or not.

Either way, you're in no danger.

Regardless, I think we do need a trope for when the villains seem to admire the heroes more than they hate them. Kind of like Control Freak on Teen Titans or The Riddler to Batman; they seem to actually like their nemeses, and seem to fight them more to be close to them. I dunno, it's just something I was thinking about. That might overlap with Worthy Opponent, though.

EDIT: Just checked. We do have a Trope for that, which is Friendly Enemy. Duh.

edited 25th Aug '11 12:54:41 AM by ThisIsATestTai

Wait, i thought this trope was about a villain obsessing over a hero and vice versa. Thats supposed to be sexual?

I can think of several examples of canon foe yay, for what it's worth. Kinda spoilery though.

oh yes, there are of course examples. but most of these don't fit. Vegeta doesn't want to fuck Goku

I said canon examples. Not fanon.

I hate to have to be the one that brings Homestuck into this, but... There's a marked difference, I think, between Foe Yay, which suggests a kind of romantic sexual tension between two people at odds and is usually, on this forum, used to refer to ship-bait, and the concept of a Kismesis, which is someone with whom you share a driving, burning hate that's as strong as love in the actual canon material. The kind of thing where you really think one side can't live without the other, a sort of Batman/Joker thing. Would Foe Yay be served by splitting the page along those lines?

edited 15th Sep '11 1:33:32 PM by Trismegustis

Black Cat, just Black Cat

No, but more seriously, I see no reason not treat this the same way we are doing the repair for Ho Yay. Ie, separate Canon Foe Yay and Foe Yay Shipping tropes. The only problem is that making it work requires a dedicated team of people to go through thousands of wicks and try to figure out which trope is best.

Wait... We already have Foe Yay Shipping.

Ho Yay is likely getting a rename, so I wouldn't mind renaming this to something clearer as well. Since almost all Foe Yay is likely to be just in the minds of shippers due to simply being less common it would have the benefit of giving us less to have to fix as well.

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isn't "Canon Foe Yay" Dating Catwoman?

The fan art of Harry Potter in the literature section has got to go.

The discussion has been stalled for over a month. There has been a request to lock the thread. Complying.