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Laconic and desciption imply very differant things. Which is correct?: The Snark Knight

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ElleWednesday Since: May, 2011
#1: Jun 11th 2011 at 8:46:23 PM

Posted this on the The Snark Knight discussion page, but I think it might belong here:

I'm confused by the trope. The laconic description implies that the snark is a coping mechanism similar to that of the Stepford Smiler's, but the desciption itself says nothing about hiding emotions with snark (outside of a brief refernce to Stepford Smiler that says that, while the snark can be a mask, it isn't always.) and implies that the character snarks because she is thinks everyone else is stupid. So which is it? Does she snark to hide her feelings or to "crusade against idiocracy"?

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#2: Jun 11th 2011 at 8:59:28 PM

I think it can be either - laconics aren't known for 100% accuracy.

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#3: Jun 11th 2011 at 9:22:42 PM

I'm reasonably confident the laconic is simply wrong. We went over this during the rename. My version would be:

  • "A world-weary character finds everyone wanting, themselves included. Dishes out barbed quips with a poker face."

edited 11th Jun '11 11:02:10 PM by Camacan

ElleWednesday Since: May, 2011
#4: Jun 11th 2011 at 10:50:29 PM

[up] That's much closer to my understanding of the trope. Would anyone object to my changing the laconic to the one above?

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#5: Jun 11th 2011 at 10:58:12 PM

[up]Only one objection: what is a "pokeface"? Guessing "poker face", but regardless it's a bit of a Tyop on the Cover (or laconic, whatever).

edited 11th Jun '11 10:58:30 PM by nrjxll

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Jun 11th 2011 at 11:02:38 PM

There was never a mistake. *Wears his best pokeface*

ElleWednesday Since: May, 2011
#7: Jun 11th 2011 at 11:08:42 PM

I did not even notice that. I was literally imagining a hot poker, which is definently not right. -feels silly-

Changed the laconic.

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#8: Jun 12th 2011 at 4:58:27 AM

That's a better laconic. When the trope was renamed from The Daria there was extensive discussion of the actual definition of the trope, and what we ended up with was a slightly different from what the page orginally suggested. I have a feeling the laconic better represented the old definition.

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ElleWednesday Since: May, 2011
#9: Jun 14th 2011 at 11:59:21 AM

Just launched the Stepford Snarker, which should take the place of the "sarcasm to hide emotions" misuse.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#10: Jun 14th 2011 at 12:03:35 PM

Please explain to me the difference between your new trope and Sad Clown.

ElleWednesday Since: May, 2011
#11: Jun 14th 2011 at 12:16:56 PM

A Sad Clown makes jokes to hide their feelings. A Stepford Snarker uses sarcasm, which is not inherently the same thing. Sarcasm is not always intended to be funny.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#12: Jun 14th 2011 at 2:42:46 PM

Sounds like a good enough difference to me.

We done here?

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
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