First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
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If he isn't the Palace mouthpiece he is pretty chummy with the current Queen Camilla. So much so she openly flaunting him and invite him for lunch
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Let's not act like everyone in the working class are wholesome folk.
A procrastination in of itself
Also Kate does not come from a working class background, she comes from an upper-middle-class background. Her Wikipedia page literally starts with “Catherine Elizabeth Middleton was born on 9 January 1982 at the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading into an upper-middle-class family.”
Edited by Silasw on Dec 6th 2023 at 1:28:41 PM
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Her mother side are working class coal miners, which famously was made fun of by the tabloid at the start of her public dating phase to William.
Edited by shatterstar on Dec 7th 2023 at 10:41:13 AM
They call me.... Prophet
Genuinely baffled by the implication that working class people are somehow not (or less) racist.
Like whoah boy do i have a bridge to sell you
This attitude may be a relic or side effect of humanitarian and socialist ideas, since the Age of Enlightenment.
Because of the backlash against the exploitation of aristocrats and capitalists, many writers go to the other extreme, and "santify" the working classes, drawing a romanticized idea about their lives and depicting them as "pure-hearted, hardworking, honest people, who can do no wrong" in contrast to the "decadent upper class, who have no honor and will sell their own wives for money"
Communist literature in the early 20th century continued that trend.
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In truth, and from personal experience, the working class can actually be more suspicious of others and embrace more racist and hateful ideas, because they are statistically less educated.
This can show up in Europe, for example, when in some countries there is an anti-immigration movement from the working class, because they fear for their jobs.
Every Hero has his own way of eating yogurt
A procrastination in of itself
This is incorrect. Her mother was a flight attendant and her grandparents a builder and a shop worker, with coal miners being further up the family tree. They’re descendent of coal miners, but there’s no one drop rule for being working class. She was born into a middle class family which already had connections to the aristocracy, her mother could claim to have working class roots, but had firmly transitioned to middle class by the time of Kate’s birth.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Foreign Troper
Glynn Simmons, a black man convicted of murder, has been exonerated after 48 years
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67782907
The law in the night
Jeff Tiedrich: check out the latest racist bullshit: planes crash because diversity
How Fox News, with Laura Ingraham, Ben Shapiro and the Apartheid Space Karen Xhitter Elon Musk blaming the Boeing Max door incident in diversity hires.
Inter arma enim silent leges
Visiting from the Hoag Galaxy
When the reality is that Boeing used to be run by engineer types who refused to cut corners and is now run by finance-bro types who cut every corner they possibly can.
There's also shit like actual scum Chaya Raichik (I think that's how it spelled?) getting in on it by posting a picture of an all female flight crew and just going "they're just mocking us now!" which...what.
Edited by Zendervai on Jan 15th 2024 at 12:20:52 PM
Not Three Laws compliant.
The Unknown Unknown
You see this all the time. While I'm fortunate (for now) to be working in an environment where both the grunts and shotcallers are engineers, there are many elsewhere who can't stand non-engineers having a seat at the table making their jobs more difficult than it needs to be.
This is salient especially for minority engineers in STEM. Seen it, been there before.
Edited by erazor0707 on Jan 15th 2024 at 4:27:24 AM
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Anka Aquila
I'm sorry to hear about that.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, we should find the absolutes that tie us.
x 5
Edited by Brandon on Jan 22nd 2024 at 6:58:15 AM
With all the memes about women choosing a bear over a man, Hollywood might wanna get on an 'East of the Sun and West of the Moon' adaptation
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68078061
Japan's having an identity debate with the recent Miss Japan crown awarded to Carolina Shiino. She's Ukrainian by origin, but she is Japanese (naturalized) and lived in Nagoya when she was very young.
Sounds like a lot of angry racists to me. If she’s a Japanese citizen, she’s Japanese.
Edited by fruitpork on Jan 26th 2024 at 12:22:12 PM
The Reconqueror
The racism in Japan is one of the themes that made me think to not stay there after my studies in 2005.
Some fellows from Mexico had stayed to complete their post-graduate studies, obtained good works there,got married, had kids, but despite the fact that they were naturalized Japanese after several years of hard work, they are still seem by their neighbors as Gaijin (outsiders) and their sons (despite having a Japanese mother) as some sort of half-japanese kids.
I understand that fact that current Miss Japan has the nationality, she can speak Japanese and she lived there for almost all her life (even has a Japanese surname), but for the eyes of the Japanese, the term japanese is the last thing they see from her (probably the same think we think of the main character of Ghost in the Shell, despite the fact the original creator never conceived her as Japanese).
Even this kind of racism is reflected on how they sell their media, this explains even why K-Pop had triumphed despite the fact that J-Pop is heard around the world through anime for several years.
Flak is more pronounced IIRC in Japanese social media.
Edited by Ominae on Jan 26th 2024 at 8:22:38 AM
Odd given they didn't care when Scarlet Johannson got cast in "Ghost In The Shell".
With all the memes about women choosing a bear over a man, Hollywood might wanna get on an 'East of the Sun and West of the Moon' adaptation
Likely cause this is real life.
Three foreign-born Japanese nationals/permanent residents are suing Tokyo for racial discrimination.
Already the comments are pretty bad.
Carolina Shiino said that she’s giving up the crown for Miss Japan.
She’s exposed for having an affair with a married man despite pledging to end it after entering MJ.
Shukan Bunshun exposed it. They’re a tabloid in Japan.
For those unaware, Miss (country) pageants require contestants to be unmarried at the time they officially enter.
Edited by Ominae on Feb 5th 2024 at 8:39:50 AM
I bet all the racists are going buckwild.
What in the outmoded sexual purity standards, Batman...
Edited by RedSavant on Feb 6th 2024 at 2:31:54 AM
It's been fun.
Oh, bother.
She didn’t even actually break that rule. Having an affair with a married man isn’t great, nor was lying about ending it, but she was not married herself.
Edited by M84 on Feb 6th 2024 at 1:42:12 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Well, the agencies that are in charge of MJ accepted Shiino saying sorry for the affair and wanting to withdraw.
Right now, there's not much fuss about Shiino giving up her crown... yet. But I did hear from some peeps that she was an easy target while exiled Ukrainians says that some were disappointed since she “identifies” as Japanese and not Ukrainian.
Edited by Ominae on Feb 6th 2024 at 5:02:11 AM
