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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Nah, I think the problem is the area Hydepark to Piccadilly. The area is getting smaller there.
This picture made me laugh: https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/1053010863077187584/photo/1
Edited by Swanpride on Oct 20th 2018 at 6:46:35 AM
So apparently the number is now estimated a 670.000
Someone asked about the counter-protest. For those that don't know, Nigel Farage has set up a counter-protest in Harrogate today called 'Leave means Leave' as a protest to the People's Vote protest.
Sky News has added the following update (at 15:16) about the counter-protest:
Becky Johnson is in Harrogate where Leave Means Leave are holding a rally. She says 1,200 people are attending this rally, and Nigel Farage claims that's because there are multiple events going on around the country.
He also said there were "millions" of people streaming the events.
On Twitter, 190 people are watching the Harrogate event. There are 12,000 views on its Facebook stream.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 4th 2018 at 11:29:04 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Well, one thing I do really hope gets enshrined in both law and parliamentary procedure after all this is: "never, ever, ever, ever wave the two-thirds rule in referendums, ever".
Okay, here are all the mainstream live media streams of the march that I can find (alphabetical order):
- The Express
- Evening Standard
- The Guardian
- The Independent
- Sky News
Summaries of the march:
- The BBC
- The Daily Mail
- ITV News
- Metro
- The Mirror
- The New European
- Reuters
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:41:09 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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I'd also go for "demand an actual majority of the electorate" and not the strange fuzzy logic of "these people didn't vote therefore they must be happy with either outcome therefore any majority in the turnout is the complete and total will of the people".
... this again?
Edited by RainehDaze on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:22:55 PM
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Yes, this again. But I'll shut up if I see a support video by him.
In other news, the last protesters have finally reached Piccadilly.
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Once again, it's better if he stays out of the picture at this stage.
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Yeah, BS. If not now is the time to take a stance, when is?
Anyway, this other event? 1,200 people in attendance, though Farage has claimed that "millions" were watching the stream. In reality, 190 people are watching on Twitter and there are only 12,000 views on the Facebook stream.
Pathetic.
the last number they settled on for the march were 700.000 btw. And those were actually there, not fictive virtuell supporters.
Edited by Swanpride on Oct 20th 2018 at 8:06:28 AM
From a couple of days ago:
Universal credit: Labour loses bid to force release of impact analysis
She said given that McVey had reportedly told fellow ministers that a number of people moving to universal credit could end up worse off, it was imperative for MPs to see the government analyses of what might happen. “People have a right to know.”
A series of Labour MPs reiterated the argument, with Angela Eagle saying universal credit was causing “undeniable and massive hardship” in her Wallasey constituency, pointing to a 34% increase in food bank use locally since it was rolled out.
In a statement after the vote, Greenwood said the Conservatives had “voted to shamefully cover up the impact that universal credit is having on families and people who most need our support”.
Despite rumblings of discontent from some Conservatives, and John Major’s prediction last week that a botched expansion of universal credit could be as damaging to the party’s electoral appeal as the poll tax was in the 1980s, McVey received almost unanimous support from Tory backbenchers.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:17:40 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
We've had this little chat before, yeah?
The people owning the newspapers haven't changed, yeah? Well, not yet, they haven't. <_<
Well, until the papers' editorials get on board with what's happening... it's OK for Sadique Khan to go out and yell his throat out. He's an acceptable not-threat who can go out and yell about these things and get the message out there.
But, the minute the Labour front bench do that... Suddenly, that's a thing that is BAD, and a threat to the very underpinnings of the Parliamentary System and Establishment because Reasons... which will result in Consequences mostly to do with all the automatic systems that are already in place to swing into action any time Old Labour does anything that looks like it might actually have wider support. -_-'
Because, don't forget... socialists and reformers are the Real Threat (and have been for decades).
They still have to friggin' wait for the damned editorials to admit that they need to ignore their owners because public feeling will otherwise get them lynched if they don't. 
Edited by Euodiachloris on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:24:30 PM
Well, Paul Dacre left the Daily Mail, so its new editor is Geordie Greig.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 4th 2018 at 11:30:57 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Frankly, I think the tone of the Daily Mail also changed because the mood in the country has chanced. The Daily Mail is an Echo chamber, meaning they even run different headlines in different areas. So if they now tone down their Brexit support it is most likely because they sense that the people are frustrated with how Brexit has turned out so far.
How the heck did a Remain supporter end up in such a prominent position with the Daily Fail?
This is the Guardian's theory on Greig's appointment:
The initial editions of the Mail under Greig appear to suggest a more nuanced editorial line, where a soft Brexit is a price worth paying to keep Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, out of No 10. The shift is in line with what Daily Mail insiders told the Guardian last week.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 4th 2018 at 11:32:51 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Another lol comment from twitter regarding the march:
https://twitter.com/domjoly/status/1053644362641563648/photo/1
And the guardian collected some of the best banners:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/gallery/2018/oct/20/peoples-vote-march-brexit-in-pictures
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Personally, I'm not sure about a referendum as a solution to the problem because (a) we haven't fixed any of the giant holes in election laws that led to the first one being rigged, and (b) it's a classic tyranny-of the-majority scenario due to the massively disproportionate impact on different parts of the UK. Or, to put it another way, it's the entire country voting on whether Northern Ireland should be dumped in the shitter.
What's precedent ever done for us?
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I don't want another referendum because we know the Government won't change their minds and all it does is create more hand wringing
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Just curious: is there still any supporter of Brexit regularly posting on this thread?
Or do they get invariably end up banned for bad behavior, just like any pro-Trump poster on the American thread?
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Deathor Cake seems in favour of leaving the EU,not exactly a loud brexiter though
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If one is held, it's because the comparatively sane wing of the Tories is looking for a way out of this that doesn't electorally wreck them/gives an easier time blaming Labour.
I don't think anyone here was ever actually in favour of Brexit.
While I do think that it would be better if the elected officials would start acting like adults, currently a people's vote seems to be the only chance to open the deadlock they are on. Plus, independent from this, I think it was important to show that there is a considerable portion of voters in the UK who currently have no proper representation at all in the government, because everyone keeps looking at the Brexiters only.
I've just seen one Met officer say in an interview that the estimate is 840,000 marchers. However, most of the estimates are settling on 700,000 — including from other Met officers. So, it looks like the march is going to be comparable in size to the Stop The War march in 2003.
On the above subject, I've mentioned before that I come from the most Brexit region of Wales. Personally, I don't know any Brexit voter who is reconsidering their vote. Their feelings are as strong on the subject as they ever were.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 4th 2018 at 11:36:00 AM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
That may be the Met’s doing, keeping things stop and start allows easier management of the flow of people and clearing of areas either in front or behind the march.
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