Name is broader than the trope.: Over The Shoulder Pose

Bump for votes.

Crowner called.

Boobs-and-Butt Pose is what they call it on Escher Girls, one of the better known sites for gentle (or occasionally not-so-gentle) criticism of how women are portrayed in comics and other media. Broken Spine is a broader category they also use, but not all B&B involve broken spine, and many broken spine have nothing to do with B&B.

• Broken Spine
• Boobs and Butt Pose

Looking at our article, I'll also comment that the line "[p]opular with glamor models and anime characters" suggests the author was working from Small Reference Pools, as it's every bit as common in western comics as in eastern.

edited 19th Jun '12 9:53:42 AM by Xtifr

Don't know if it helps, but Blade Bunny recently had an article on the phenomenon after the writer rejected a strip featuring an extreme example.

edited 19th Jun '12 11:31:35 AM by Michael

Let's try another direction.

Four B Pose

And the description will make it clear that simply one boob and a butt does not count (it's very doable with real bodies although pretty stupid if she's supposed to be fighting)... it needs to have two Breasts and two Buttocks visible.

edited 28th Jun '12 3:06:57 AM by peccantis

That would make it needlessly specific.

I thought it was called brokeback pose.

Meh, let's just get an alternative titles crowner in here.

Boobs-and-Butt Pose instead of T&AP?

Nah, brokeback is a much broader category which includes most B&B, but also, other forms of bizarre corkscrewing, snakegirl sideways bends, and the ever popular U-shaped spine.

edit: typo

edited 28th Jun '12 1:58:18 PM by Xtifr

Maybe name it after Rob Liefeld? He's sorta the patron saint of the tits-and-ass pose. We could call it the Liefeld Twist!

Doesn't work. For one thing, he's hardly the inventor or the only one who does it. For another, that's not even the worst way he twists anatomy.

Indeed, the creator of Escher Girls refused to include any of Liefeld's art for a long time because A) she wanted to help make it clear that the problem with this sort of thing goes far, far beyond Liefeld, and B) while Liefeld's grasp of anatomy is bad, she suspects that the main reason he gets so many people upset is that he does the same sort of grotesque mistreatment to men, which allows people to think about it with their brains instead of ... other parts of their anatomy. :)

The Boobs-and-Butt Pose can be found in images from Pokemon!

Boobs-and-Butt Pose sounds fine to me.

Okay, well. Where DID it start? Does anyone actually know? If "Tits and Ass Pose" wasn't good and "Over the Shoulder Pose" is too general, "Boobs and Butt Pose" seems kind of redundantly unsuitable, and kind of... maybe not childish, exactly, but T&A is less clunky and I think better expresses the vulgarity of the concept. That's just a personal opinion, though.

I still think Liefeld is a good name; obviously he's not the only one, or even necessarily the worst offender, who does it, but he IS the most easily recognizable name in the field of doing weird stuff to women's spines to show off the front-n-back cleavage.

Maybe "Escher Girl Pose" is better? We could include a link.

Escher Girls calls those Boobs And Butt Poses.

Also calling it the "Escher Girl Pose" or "Rob Liefield Pose" is way too opaque. Shouldn't be a name.

edited 29th Jun '12 5:44:22 PM by rodneyAnonymous

Yes, both Escher Girl Pose And Rob Liefield Pose are too broad and two opaque and cover a great multitude of anatomy sins besides this specific one. Boobs-and-Butt Pose and Tits And Ass Pose are the two common names for it.

What about Boobs And Butt Brokeback?

• Blends two of the common names (Boobs and Butt Pose / Brokeback Pose) into one name.
• Added Alliterative Appeal
• Both explains the benefits of the trope (two types of fanservice) with the detriment (ridiculous anatomical liberties).

I chose to leave "pose" out of the name to keep the AAA. The only synonym for "pose" I could find was "bearing", and it's not indicative enough.

edited 29th Jun '12 5:53:09 PM by KingZeal

A Google search for Boobs-and-Butt Pose turns up primarily references to this trope. A search for Tits And Ass Pose turns up mostly unrelated stuff. Insofar as there is a common term for this, it seems to be B&B, as far as I can tell—though if anyone can turn up another widely used term, I'll probably be fine with that as well.

Any name involving Liefeld would be extremely misleading, as he's known for so many other things, like 40" busts and 8" waists, U-shaped spines, pencil-feet, or the famous 500 lb Captain America pic (with sideways boobs), or ... pockets. Lots and lots of pockets.

Escher Girls might be a nice supertrope, but it's not this trope.

AAA should generally be avoided as it tends to obstruct clarity and kills any actual wit a name might have had.

And Boobs And Butt Brokeback or Boobs And Butt Brokeback Pose does that?

I think it needs the pose because otherwise brokeback gives no clues to the uninitiated what we're talking about. Especially since it's diverging from the established term for no good reason other than confusing people.

I don't like it - it seems unnecessarily vulgar, even considering that this is something of an offensive trope - but if that's the established term I'm inclined to support it, AAA or no.

Boobs-and-Butt Pose is the established term.

So shall we crowner this? Suggestions:

• Current title (Over-the-Shoulder Pose)
  • Advantages: Least vulgar and sexist. Semi-decent job of describing the trope.
  • Disadvantages: Only semi- decent. Doesn't convey the fanservice or anatomical incorrectness of the trope.
• Original title (Tits And Ass Pose)
  • Advantages: Blatantly describes the trope's intention.
  • Disadvantages: Extremely vulgar. Does not convey anatomical incorrectness.
• Brokeback Pose
  • Advantages: Conveys anatomical incorrectness. Not vulgar.
  • Disadvantages: Does not convey fanservice aspect of trope.
• Boobs-and-Butt Pose
  • Advantages: Same as Tits And Ass Pose, with less vulgarity. Added Alliterative Appeal. Established term.
  • Disadvantages: Same as Tits And Ass Pose.
• Boobs And Butt Brokeback Pose
  • Advantages: Conveys both anatomical and fanservice concerns. Less vulgarity. Added Alliterative Appeal
  • Disadvantages: Somewhat wordy.

edited 30th Jun '12 1:23:25 PM by KingZeal