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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
Honestly, the OMD recons were so nonsensical and internally inconsistent, even by the standards of Superhero comics, that just about anything you could throw at it would work.
OMD is just a bizarre story in general, since its existence retcons itself. In the revised Timeline, Peter and MJ were never married, which makes the story both defining the modern era of Spider-Man, but can't have any in story consequences, since it apparently never happened.
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 11th 2019 at 8:09:37 AM
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Mephisto still remembers taking Peter and MJ's marriage, that is in itself a retcon from something Marvel tried to establish around the time of "One Moment In Time" where MJ 'tricked' Mephisto into undoing his own involvement so as not to go after Peter anymore after the deed was done. I think it's easier to say memories, not history, was altered...but then that in itself is contradicted by the fact Mephisto altered history in Champions when he made his deal with Miles.
Oh my aching noggin.
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 11th 2019 at 10:23:03 AM
So what's the chances of Harry actually being Kindred, versus it being a red hearing?
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 11th 2019 at 9:48:02 AM
Harry makes sense, but at the same time, it might be a bit too obvious.
And if it does turn out to be Pre-OMD Harry, than who is the Harry Osborne that is currently very not dead?
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 11th 2019 at 10:17:32 AM
They are both Harry Osborn. Just one is magically created due to Mephisto.
all mepisto did was somhow do the one thing no one in the mu could do and heal a bullet wound for the price of a marraige. harry and everyone forgetting peters identity were totally unrelated.
im revising my guess to be the doc ock who thought he was peter when he died
the deal was only so may would live. reed and strange did the mass mind wipe and harry was always alive.
That was the retcon in "One Moment in Time." Which has been quietly and thankfully ignored for what actually happened in "One More Day," which was Mephisto erased the marriage, which caused reality to change and everyone to forget Peter's secret identity and Harry to become alive again.
Harry was dead pre-OMD and then post-OMD he was alive. The whole "he was always alive" was a retcon due to reality itself changing.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 11th 2019 at 8:35:09 AM
we have no evidence to suggest thats what happened and multiple amounts of evidence to suggest they just happened at the same time.
The Merry Monarch of Darkness
Harry's survival is probably a leftover from JMS's original draft, which made more sense but actually would've been an even bigger retcon. In that version, Mephisto edits a single moment in time - the point in the early '70s when Peter learned Harry was on drugs and didn't do anything about it. Old Scratch would've changed so he did tell on Harry, resulting in him getting sent to rehab, resulting in Norman not relapsing into the Green Goblin, which would in turn have the knockoff effect of eliminating among other things Gwen's death, Harry's death, the marriage, that screwy robot parents arc, the Clone Saga, and Sins Past.
The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."
Are you serious? "They just happened to happen at the same time" is the most...ridiculous excuse I've ever seen. And not even remotely plausible.
We saw what happened in "One More Day." We saw them making the deal with Mephisto. "One Moment in Time," then, was the retcon to show how they explained away everyone forgetting his secret identity. "One Moment in Time" was literally caused by "One More Day" and the deal with Mephisto. It was the post-deal timeline, the one that happened after reality shifted.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 11th 2019 at 8:43:13 AM
I'm honestly not sure if that's worse or better than what we actually got.
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Edited by megaeliz on Oct 11th 2019 at 12:13:29 PM
Have Julia Carpenter and Jessica Drew ever interacted?
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Yeah. Julia was the one who saved Jessica from the alternate dimension she was apparently trapped in.
One Strip! One Strip!
What story was that please?
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
It's apparently a back up story in Sensational Spiderman Annual 96.
Took me a while to re-confirm it and find the issue. It was the last story written by Mark Gruenwald.
One Strip! One Strip!
Yeah, with the help of Shadowoman (later Sepulchre), who used to wear Spider-Woman's costume for unknown reasons.
Both Julia and Jess later where both part of the cast of Mattie Franklin's solo as Spider-Woman in the initial arcs, mentoring her alongside Madame Web.
Edited by Akirakan on Oct 12th 2019 at 1:15:52 PM
Women in Refrigerators and the Abramazing Spider-Man.
Edited by megaeliz on Oct 13th 2019 at 12:46:11 PM
Random idea: Kaine and Julia Carpenter in a relationship?
It doesn't sound bad, I guess.
I prefer Kaine and Jess myself. But I also prefer Jess and Felicia over that 
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Jess is already in a relationship with Roger Gocking, the former Porcupine.
Also, the obvious answer is Jess/Lindsay McCabe.
Nah, he's still doing his long takes over at the cbr forums. Maybe they keep him so busy over there that he doesn't have time to hang out here.