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Its not a substance, its a nation/culture. Akavir is the continent off past the eastern ocean.

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Right, but as said, like a fractal that goes down to everything, into every little detail. The duality Anu-Padomay is the duality Anuiel-Sithis is the duality Auriel-Lorkhan is the duality Mer-Men.

The Altmer say Anuiel came into being by Anu's navel gazing, err, introspection. Hence his "soul" - he is Anu reflected upon by himself. Remember that all gods and spirits are abstract concepts, and after all you can make up a new concept simply by thinking about it. One can hence assume Sithis is the same on Padomay's side.

And it continues from there: To reflect upon himself even better, Anuiel thought up even more concepts, so for an untime (because the concept of time wasn't there yet) you had hundreds of various concepts/spirits in all possible potentialities. Finally, Anuiel thought up Auriel, who was the concept of the time, so that now each concept could have its own orderly time slot for further introspection. (or something like that... damn, but my lore is rusty)

One of those concepts was Lorkhan and he had said they could even better reflect on themselves with this super idea of "the creation of the world". Several concepts volunteered to take part, but ended up actually trapped in newly created Mundus - basically all concepts we have in the world are trapped spirits.

At least that is the Mer portrayal of things - except for the Dunmer, the Mer view the creation of the world as having been a bad thing, and Lorkhan as having been deceitful spirit of limitations, only out to rob the spirits of their immortality. The Dunmer on the other hand content that the pre-Mundus state of affairs was basically stasis without progress, since without limitations you have all possibilities at all, and hence no real "reality" at all. So to say. How is anything real if everything exists at once?

Bottom line is, that is how the spirits begot themselves - by introspection, basically. That is how they exist.

edited 29th Mar '11 12:21:36 PM by Octo

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Should I/we add tropes from the obscure texts, or will they simply cause edit wars over whether they're canon or not?

Just state where it's from and you'll be fine - that way, the reader can decide for themselves if they to trust it.

^^^ I think we think the same things but confused the communication.

I've noticed a mistake I've seen around this wiki: People seem to think the Nerevarine destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan. He/she didn't. All he/she did was remove the enchantments that allowed Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal to connect to it.

Also, the Heart isn't "evil."

edited 12th May '11 5:58:09 AM by SilentColossus

Uhh...it turned the formerly noble Dagoth Ur into an Omnicidal Maniac with a god complex, made Almalexia drunk with power to the point she became an Ax-Crazy Complete Monster when she lost it, and made Vivec, arguably the only member of the Tribunal that's in any way good, a pathological liar. That sounds pretty damn evil to me, or at least corrupting.

Some of them went insane from power, but the heart itself didn't make them evil. And Vivec doesn't lie (much), he just speaks poetically and in metaphors.

Well, An Altmer, Bosmer, or Redguard (and maybe a Breton) would tell you the Heart is evil. Cyrodiils think well of Shezarr (they forgot him, though) and a Nord would be pissed if you called Shor's heart wicked

edited 12th May '11 8:38:00 AM by SilentColossus

Vivec does outright lie. In fact that is kinda defining trait for him, though he might reveal the truth in hints or later on. It's connected to his mythological trickster role. It wasn't the heart that made him do it (only in as much that the heart gave him that role), it's just who he is.

He flat out denies having killed Nerevar, but in the last book of that Vivec book series (what's the name again) the beginning letters of every line read something like MURDER MOST FOUL, or something like that. And he most blatantly lied in the (semi-canonical at best, admittedly) Trial of Vivec story by Kirkbride.

Also come to think of it, wouldn't the proper pronouns for Vivec be he/she and him/her? ;)

As for the heart, it just is. Attributing good or evil to it would be improper. Silent Colossus is right (and I don't see the need for spoilers there...) that different peoples have different opinions about Lorkhan/Shezzar (generally: All men except Redguards plus the Dunmar think him to be good, all mer except the Dunmer plus the Redguards think him to be evil) and hence about his heart, but the heart itself simply exists and grants power to those who know how to achieve that.

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I'm using spoilers just to be safe. When does he lie? He might trick using fancy words, but he never lies. Or at least he doesn't consider himself to be lying.

Vivec the god did not kill Nerevar. Vivec the mortal did. He considers them to be separate individuals.

Also, the trial was an RP by several devs and ex-devs, not just MK.

I don't think even Vivec himself believes in this explanation. Just more trickery.

As for the trial Vivec says, he'll stand trial for his actions and accept the court's outcome, when in fact it had been a trick all along to ensnare Azura. At the end he even outright admits he killed Nerevar and laughs at the court's face.

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But the point still stands. The Heart itself isn't evil (as you said), or corrupting. And its still around, somewhere (and not destroyed).

edited 12th May '11 10:44:31 AM by SilentColossus

I've never got the impression the Heart was any more corrupting than any other source of godlike power.

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Yeah, it was just Almalexia losing her godhood that made her go crazy.

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Maybe the Heart of Darkness shows that power has corrupting influence?

For sure. It is also notable that even though Dagoth Ur was "noble", the Chimer had a really, really different view on morality.

They were noble in sort of sakoku way.

With so many Japanophiles on this site why does sakoku not have a page.

edited 14th May '11 1:04:16 AM by Canondorf

With Skyrim back I thought I'd revive the lore thread.

I'm kind of disappointed by the Graybeards. Apparently one whisper from them of Nodic is enough to kill a man but yelling "force" in draconic just makes a small shockwave.

I'm also disappointed by the handling of the dragons. They're constructs of living language, they could have at least made a few look really weird and abstract.

I did love all the little nods to some of the less esoteric yet still obscure pieces of lore, though. Like the thing the dude on top of the Graybeards' mountain is guarding, I never thought I'd see that aspect of Nord culture referenced.

Also, is Snow-Throat the only tower left standing? Green-Sap has stopped walking, Walk-Brass is lost in time, White-Gold has lost its stone, same with Red Mountain, Orichalc was lost with Yokuda, Crystal-Like-Law was lost in the Oblivion Crisis, and Adamantine might not actually count. The moons, often [[Fanon theorized]] to be the Elsweyr's tower, had weird Thalmor things done to them, and the Argonions, being essentially alien to Mundus, and the Orsimer, being the pariah-folk, have no tower.

Does anyone know of any good graphical mods for Morrowind that make it look about half its age?

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The beards are an order on their last legs. Makes sense that much of their power is gone as well.

-lore noob- towers? I've skimmed the wiki but I don't understand what you're talking about.

Is using "Julian Assange is a Hillary butt plug" an acceptable signature quote?

It's mostly mentioned in obscure texts and the Monomyth. Tower Adamantine was Lorkhan's spaceship and the first spike of reality in Mundus, and the second tower, Red Mountain, was a myth-echo of this. Most other towers are copies of this tower designed to drain drain the magicka from the Aetherius and use it to de-realize Mundus, but most of them are used for other purposes now. White-Gold is a model of the entire universe, Walk-Brass was used for a (failed) gestalt amaranth, the Khajiit were designed to bind Mundus together rather than tear it apart, etc.

There are painted cows! One of the devs even said there was going to be a Civil War quest about bringing a painted cow to giants for aid. Obviously, it didn't get into the game.

My biggest disappointment? Alduin isn't Akatosh. "Kalpas" still exist though, so Alduin still does the important part... then again, Ald son of Ald.

edited 16th Nov '11 8:11:04 PM by SilentColossus

Just because he isn't Akatosh doesn't mean he wasn't Akatosh.

edited 16th Nov '11 9:35:53 PM by Canondorf

^Um...yes it does? Akatosh created him, as I understand it, and his claiming to be Akatosh was what convinced Paarthunax that his hubris was getting out of hand.

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