Super Smash Bros.

The solution to the Zelda problem is obviously Vaati. Seriously Sakurai, you have Capcom under your contacts, use it.

There's Vivian, who I could see making an appearance if Paper Mario gets in.

Vivian is great. Make her part of Paper Mario's moveset as an attack or a special.

One of my ideas for a playable Paper Mario is one special attack has Mario switch between their partners, and another special attack has him use that partner's ability. Vivian could fit in as one of those, she's very popular.

Nintendo doesn't consider Birdie anything...

It's only referenced.

Corrin is LGBT.

Vaati is the Zelda character people pick when they can't come up with an actual interesting choice.

Ghirahim, Zant, Skull Kid, Impa, Tetra, Ravio. All better choices than the Dark Link wannabe.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Aug 17th 2018 at 12:32:38 PM

Ravio is just Link in a stupid outfit. Don't really see the point.

Half of those are one-shot losers unless needed to be brought together, one is Zelda (and the whole thing started as Zelda characters outside of the Triforce trio) and- okay, I have harder time explaining Impa in few words.

Edited by TPPR10 on Aug 17th 2018 at 8:43:48 PM

The stupid outfit at least helps him be different. Give him unique animations, and a moveset built around the rental items, and he's certainly a better choice than Vaati, who never does anything in his sorcerer form.

They're characters who did better in their one shot than Vaati did with his three. Vaati is so boring, and two of his three games are basically not worth talking about.

EDIT: Sorry, but Vaati is brought up all the time when it comes to putting Zelda characters in things, and literally the only reason anyone ever gives is "he was in more than one game."

Ringing endorsement, that.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Aug 17th 2018 at 12:45:19 PM

So with those comments in mind, I'm assuming Vaati is a shoo-in.

I agree.

I don't see why being a one-shot character should count against inclusion in Smash. As long as the character is memorable and well-liked, it shouldn't matter how many times a particular character appeared.

Of the Zelda characters, I would say Skull Kid, Tetra, and Midna at the very least are oneshot characters who are nevertheless remembered fondly for their key roles in cornerstone Zelda games. (Assuming we are ignoring any version of Hyrule Warriors; otherwise, none of them are oneshots)

One shot characters don't seem to really make it in unless they only have one game or...

Chrom, Robin, Lucina, Corrin, Roy, Ness, Lucas, and Dark Pit are all single-appearance characters in multi-game series.

While we're talking about Zelda characters, so is Sheik.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Aug 17th 2018 at 1:23:12 PM

x3 Tetra appeared in Phantom Hourglass.

Technically, all the Zelda characters are one-shot because they all explicitly reference and come from one game in particular.

At the time of her first appearance in Smash Zero Suit Samus was playable for about 30 minutes in one section of a remake.

Why would games where the protagonist are always new even be considered...

The World sucks technically speaking...

Playability matters not.

Edited by randomness4 on Aug 17th 2018 at 11:28:19 AM

The last time Vaati appeared was in The Minish Cap, which came out a whopping 13 years ago. Despite some fans' claims that "he's the second most recurring antagonist after Ganon" Nintendo hasn't cared enough to bring him back, not even in Hyrule Warriors. Despite other Zelda characters being one-shot, they're all more popular than Vaati anyway.

Before anyone brings up King K. Rool as an example, he was included due to incredible fan support. I haven't seen anywhere near that level of support for Vaati.

Vaati over the likes of Ghirahim?

That's hard no from me.

Are the champions really not viable here?

This looks decent.◊Never knew what Vaati looked like honestly.

But it'll only go away if reaction is bad.

Vaati honestly looks plain.

^^Thats because Vaati looks like this

Seriously, dunno why that other form seems to be more popular when the other one is more "iconic" for him

On the one hand, Vaati is a sorcerer with wind magic that offers some potential for a unique moveset, and, given the evident 'villains' theme of Ultimate, he does serve as one of a sorts for Toon Link. On the other, I imagine that most would prefer Toon Ganondorf to fit that particular role.

If we get another Zelda character, i hope it's one of the Champions.

I honestly don't get the "villains" theme of Ultimate. Like somehow people miss the Belmonts' inclusion or Chrom. People then point Rool's trailer... which was the point - it was specifically meant to foreshadow Rool and nothing really else.