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Looks like we have a big page lock coming. Big in the sense of many pages and big in the sense that the pages to be locked are too big.

It looks like pages over 500,000 characters (html formatted, that is) are crashing the server when someone tries to edit them. programmer's whine 

They need to be fixed, anyway. Way too big for one page. They need to be broken up into subpages of a reasonable size.

I'm trying to get better about communicating before big changes, so we'll let this one run for a while before taking the action. The server crashes do come under the heading of 'urgent', though.

See this page: Overly Long Pages

another programmer's thing 

edited 28th Mar '15 1:02:05 PM by SeptimusHeap

Nov 30th 2010 at 12:18:08 PM

Homestuck already has them foldered. It should be an easy fix.

Here's a list of the pages impacted.

added list, so every page top post has a link to the list

edited 30th Nov '10 12:51:30 PM by FastEddie

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Nov 30th 2010 at 12:37:44 PM

Make sure that you chop out the YMMV ones to their own page. After that, alphabet is probably the best bet. Most other categories aren't really clear cut and we don't need edit wars about what goes on which page. The alphabet is much more objective.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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Nov 30th 2010 at 12:40:59 PM

Put a link to the YMMV tab at the bottom of the alphabetical pages on the main page? (With no icon at the top the namespace is hard to find)

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Relationship Status: In your bunk
Nov 30th 2010 at 12:42:22 PM

Sure, that works. It should auto-generate a button though.

edited 30th Nov '10 12:42:56 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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Nov 30th 2010 at 12:46:29 PM

[up] there is no icon at the top of pages for the YMMV tropes. (At least all the works I normally visit)

So a template for the works page is like

This work's tropes are now divided by

  • A-M
  • N-Z
  • YMMV Tropes

edited 30th Nov '10 12:47:54 PM by Raso

Sparkling and glittering! Jan-Ken-Pon!
Nov 30th 2010 at 12:47:38 PM

On the how to edit question: Working from "view source" cut-n-paste the stuff to be transferred. When you done all the transfers:

  • Pre-lock: Do one edit to clear out everything that has been transferred.
  • Post-lock: Ping a mod and they will unlock the article for the clean-out edit.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Nov 30th 2010 at 12:49:19 PM

All the namespace tabs (like YMMV) should automatically show up on these new subpages, no problem.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
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Nov 30th 2010 at 12:53:25 PM

[up] Question, how come Mahou Sensei Negima Two doesn't have all of negima's tabs hooked up to it?

edited 30th Nov '10 12:53:52 PM by Raso

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Nov 30th 2010 at 1:00:24 PM

Eddie: About how long would you say we have before the lock goes into effect?

Visit my contributor page to assist with the "I Like The Cheeses" project!
Nov 30th 2010 at 1:07:11 PM

Can't believe I actually told someone in a post how to put us out of business. I must have had a really big bowl of stupid for breakfast.

They are locked as of right now. There was a bozo out there pounding save on a couple of big pages.

edited 30th Nov '10 1:07:39 PM by FastEddie

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Meeble likes the cheeses. from the ruins of Granseal
likes the cheeses.
Nov 30th 2010 at 1:09:20 PM

Doh! Oh well, that will give me time to work on the sub-pages then before I request an unlock.

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Nov 30th 2010 at 1:17:51 PM

Can we put up an auto message saying why its locked? or this forum is going to get seriously flooded with threads from idiots who don't look at existing titles of threads or go to trope talk.

edited 30th Nov '10 1:19:16 PM by Raso

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Nov 30th 2010 at 1:20:38 PM

Working on that.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Nov 30th 2010 at 1:29:34 PM

It's cool.

And that is in, now. Mods, when these are unlocked, the banner type will need to be changed back to whatever it should be.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
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Nov 30th 2010 at 1:43:02 PM

Last question to get the tabs on Mahou Sensei Negima Two do we have to rename it Characters:Mahou Sensei Negima 2 ?

Its got to be split so if we need to rename it now is the time.

edited 30th Nov '10 1:48:06 PM by Raso

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here
Laugh it off, everybody
Nov 30th 2010 at 1:45:31 PM

Is there some way we can easily determine which pages have upwards of 500,000 (that's the limit, right?) characters?

I have no idea what 500,000 characters looks like offhand.

I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....
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Nov 30th 2010 at 1:47:09 PM

[up]First post has a link to a txt with a full list.

Edit: Mahou Sensei Negima Three has been created.

edited 30th Nov '10 2:01:36 PM by Raso

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SpainSun Laugh it off, everybody from Somewhere Beyond Here
Laugh it off, everybody
Nov 30th 2010 at 2:02:44 PM

Oh.

Herp derp, Ignore me.

Wait. Something just occurred to me, what's the standard format for split pages? Would it be Show X, Show X 2, or Show X Two?

edited 30th Nov '10 2:02:59 PM by SpainSun

I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....
Nov 30th 2010 at 2:17:03 PM

Created:

ETA: Also:

I didn't denatter, and I suck at writing brief descriptions at the top of the page but it looked bare with just the example lists so I'm hoping Wiki Magic will kick in. I left some shorter folders alone, but that's the bulk of the page moved.

I also split VideoGamesA-M into VideoGamesA-F and VideoGamesG-M, and cutlisted the too-large page.

What should we do about the Canonical List of Subtle Trope Distinctions?

edited 30th Nov '10 2:31:44 PM by Yamikuronue

BTW, I'm a chick.
Nov 30th 2010 at 2:20:17 PM

So, I guess when somebody does the other folders we can unlock it.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Nov 30th 2010 at 2:26:42 PM

Should I do all of them? I thought we could leave shorter folders on the page? I can go do the rest if you like.

BTW, I'm a chick.
Nov 30th 2010 at 2:31:42 PM

Yeah, we should make it clear. If people see folders on the page, they will add back in folders that been moved to their own page. Seen it happen many times. Might as well make a good fix, while we're fixin'.

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