No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...
I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?
Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here
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Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM
According to Faith and Fury, it's coming. A group of faithful psykers manage to summon a Big E-lookin' Greater Daemon to fight the Alpha Legion.
Still not embarrassing enough to stan billionaires or tech companies.
Absolutely no relation to NLK
And an entire planet awakens to its psychic potential, becoming (IIRC) "Humble Saints" and starting to wreck Chaos shit. Which gets them Exterminatus'd.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
But why tho D:
Oh, bother.
Because the Imperium, that's why.
Disgusted, but not surprised
No, I mean specifically why. Because the Imperium saw "Warp" and went "Nope"?
Captain of the Dead City
Yeah. "Tons of psykers? Can't be having none of that."
"But they're friendly psykers!"
"That's an oxymoron. And heresy." *BLAM*
That's probably how it went.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Yeah, I remember the Grey Knights wiped out a completely loyal Chapter that had benevolent warp energy flames that didn't hurt anyone from the Imperium and only their enemies cuz warp and Warp bad.
Captain of the Dead City
I mean, an Inquisitor went all ham on the Sons of Malice, a COMPLETELY LOYAL CHAPTER because they had barbaric victory rituals that bordered on cannibalism, and she wasn't used to the idea. Remember, blood-drinking rituals aren't rare at all in the Adeptus Astartes Chapter, but this Inquisitor attacked them anyway, causing them to become a Renegade Chapter that fight both Chaos and the Imperium.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
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Considering how is the warp, that is often enough.
I mean this warhammer if a psyker decide to jerk off it it could doom and entire planet.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Oh, bother.
A psyker jerking off probably summons a Daemonette or something.
Disgusted, but not surprised
I am guessing you mean the Flame Falcons. The interesting thing about them is that they were retconed into having benevolent warp abilities but still being wiped out. Their original lore from 2nd Edition was a little different:
Edited by SebastianGray on Jan 2nd 2020 at 4:33:16 PM
That's the problem when you have an organization with basically no oversight, I guess, Inquisitors can do whatever and it relies on other Inquisitors to keep them in line rather than having sort of Inquisitorial Internal Affairs.
Captain of the Dead City
Well, I don't see how having a specific internal affairs division of the Inquisition would help any tbh. The Inqusition are an organisation who are comprised of 100% internal affairs agents to all intents and purposes. Hunting down renegade Inquisitors is part and parcel of their duties as much as it is hunting down everything else.
In a sense, I find it interesting that they did give effectively absolute power to certain individuals, given that the bloodiest lessons they ever learned was "don't give too much power to one individual" via the Horus Heresy and the Age of Apostasy. It's just that they balanced that out by giving "absolute power" to millions of suspicious and investigative individuals of roughly equal resources and means (depending) who constantly keep tabs on one another.
Also, the fluff varies slightly on oversight, the Inquisitors in the Eisenhorn series clearly follow some kind of sector-based hierarchy with the Lord Inquisitors somewhat responsible for the Inquisitors under their command, but other lore states that Inquisitorial hierarchy is purely based on the weight of reputation and achievements, and that the Lord Inquisitor rank is simply a recognition of such reputation and achievements by current Lord Inquisitors rather than a promotion that confers authority over "rank and file" Inquisitors if there is such a thing.
Edited by GoldenKaos on Jan 2nd 2020 at 5:25:24 PM
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Disasturbator
> A psyker jerking off probably summons a Daemonette or something.
if they're lucky its just one and the Daemonette gets banished back to the warp if the psyker starves her of attention
unlikely,well,the psyker gets possessed and has their soul devoured by Slaanash
New theme music also a box
And then it stalled because I didn't check I had my tools and stuff in order.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Absolutely no relation to NLK
For the record, as I recall the psykers were out of control and starting to destroy the whole world and the Marine and SOB leaders called the Exterminatus as a last resort, and even noted how much it sucked that they had to torpedo the people they had come to save but it was the only choice. I only read a short excerpt, could be messing up the details. I'm all up for some good old Imperium bashing, but this was apparently one of the times their shenanigans were justified (seems 50:50 nowadays).
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
The Ordo Malleus is the internal affairs division: in the original fluff they formed the inner circle, and in the current fluff they possess superior authority to overrule and prosecute other Ordos, while closing ranks to deal with their own wayward agents and stonewalling or just executing any other Ordo agents that try to interfere. Even when one of their own is declared Extremis Diabolus, they make sure one of their Inquisitors is on the task force to evaluate the situation and pull rank if necessary.
Of course, their primary mandate is Chaos and monitoring their own, so they are usually too busy to handhold the incompetents comprising the rest of the Ordos who stumble into their rosettes through dumb luck. 
Do you have a source for Malleus being internal affairs as it isn't mentioned at all in the Index Imperialis: Inquisition published last November, the 6th Edition Codex: Inquisition, or in any lore that I can remember.
Edited by SebastianGray on Jan 2nd 2020 at 8:46:15 PM
The original Fluff Bible:
The Ordo Malleus is also a part of the Inquisition, although, secret. Not even other Inquisitors know much about them... save they keep watch over the other Inquisitors. The origins of the Ordo are very ancient, and predate the Emperors being placed in the Golden Throne. Even though the Ordo watches the purity of the Inquisition Ordinary, it is also charged with safe-guarding humanity against the creeping forces of Chaos
I wasn't talking about the 1st Edition lore, your post said it was current lore that they oversee the rest yet I cannot find mention of it in lore from the previous three editions that I have easy access to
Edited by SebastianGray on Jan 2nd 2020 at 9:14:28 AM
It was created during second edition, and is still valid anywhere it has not been overwritten by more recent fluff (most of it is still accurate).
The only divisions in lore canon are 1st edition/everything that follows, and whenever new fluff overwrites old fluff.
Interesting, I have been following the game since 2nd Edition and have never heard of such a thing as a lore bible if I am honest. If we are talking about the most recent lore then the following is from 6th Edition.
and these are from a couple of months ago.
and
Edited by SebastianGray on Jan 2nd 2020 at 10:05:45 AM
None of those overwrite older fluff, or are incompatible with it: the Ordo Malleus does the same stuff as the rest of the Inquisition, but they can get away with it while not getting the same in return.
Their official organization of strict ranks and chain of command, with the council of Hidden Masters at the top, was mentioned as recently as Hunt For Voldorious, published in 2010. While the stuff from Realm of Chaos is no longer canon along with the rest of 1st, most of the Inquisition fluff was brought forward intact in newer sources. Stuff like the Malleus Remit and Proctor ranks, though, are of dubious canonicity since it was never mentioned in later fluff.
As far as I am aware, Malleus being infernal affairs has never been mentioned in lore (I truly despise the term fluff as I consider it disrespectful to the background material, making it seem lesser than the rules) since 1st either, not even in the lore that I am aware of for the Inquisitor game. I would like to make it clear however, I am not against Malleus fulfilling that role (although I think it would be more appropriate for it to be the Hereticus), I would just like some clear sources on the matter (it is mentioned on Lexicanum but it is currently unsourced/without citation).
