No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...
I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?
Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here
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Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM
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Remember Awesome Ego is YMMV so never goes on the character page (which, along with it being zero context, is why I deleted the last one you put there).
Edited by SebastianGray on Nov 5th 2019 at 8:32:33 PM
I need to ask you guys something. I'm not 100% familiar with Warhammer 40.000 (I took interest in the universe through Dawn of War 1 and 2 at first, then through If the Emperor Had a Text-to-Speech Device).
I want to ask you about the "poster boys" of playable factions. From what I know:
- Ultramarines for Space Marines
- Cadians for Imperial Guard
- Black Legion for Chaos Space Marines
- Leviathan Hive Fleet for Tyranids
- Black Heart Cabal for Dark Eldar
Sororitas: The Order of Our Martyred Lady (black armour with red cloth)
Asuryani: Tends to change with every edition. Saim-Hann is the current cover image and they have a lot of models inside the book but Ulthwe has been prominent a lot in the past
T'au: The Vior'la and T'au Septs seem to share this these days
Mechanicus: Mars of course
Orks: Goffs traditionally but Bad Moons got a bit more focus in the last edition
Genestealer Cults: Cult of the Four-armed Emperor
Harlequins: Masque of the Midnight Sorrow
Necrons: Sautekh Dynasty
Edited by SebastianGray on Nov 6th 2019 at 2:34:39 PM
Captain of the Dead City
I thought it was often Biel-tan for the Eldar tbh. But as you said, that could have been the case a few editions ago.
Edited by GoldenKaos on Nov 6th 2019 at 2:54:02 PM
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
It was for a while (they got their own supplement for the Epic: Armageddon edition of the epic scale game). I think the only ones who haven't been the focus is Alaitoc, but they have isolationist tendencies so that's their own fault.
Thank you. I thought Biel-Tan or Ulthwe were the current poster boys for Craftworld Eldar (Asuryani). Maybe because how often Ulthwe was involved with Dawn of War campaigns.
I will become a great writer one day! Hopefully...
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Worth noting that some subfactions get more lore prominence, but others get their color scheme featured in boxes and articles more often. Such as T'au Sept (gets most of the named characters) and Vior'la (the white-and-red scheme is the standard for Tau in art).
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
They have been the traditional two but Iyanden took over a couple of editions ago when the new wraith-constructs were released then Siam-hann when the new jetbikes came out and they seem to have stuck (they were the ones involved in the Vigilus campaign and are on the box of the current Start Collecting set).
Edited by SebastianGray on Nov 6th 2019 at 3:20:19 PM
Captain of the Dead City
I do have a soft spot for Alaitoc, if I were to ever make an Eldar army, it would be Alaitoc themed.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
With eldar I will said Ulthwie are the "protagonist", in part because they middle more in mon keigh affairs but Biel tan show A LOT as the agresive faction.
In sort, Ulthwie would be the ultramarine while biel tan are dark angel, so to speak.
And yeah sister of battle is orderof martir lady, mostly because you dont see much diference between orders at times.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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Ulthwe mostly coast on Eldrad having a finger in every pie imaginable.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Captain of the Dead City
The Ecclesiarchy colours are red, white and black, which is why the main 6 Orders are all some variation of that colouration.
Yes, they do look very similar as a result. Of the initial four orders, three of them have black armour, the only difference being their white, black and red robes - and even worse when the Our Martyred Lady (red robes) were the Order of the Fiery Heart, they too had black robes, and the only thing that differentiated them from the Order of the Valorous Heart was that they had red linings on their cloaks compared to the Valorous Heart's white.
And yeah, I just noticed (dunno how it took me so long) that the Bloody Rose (red armour, red rose as symbol) and Sacred Rose (white armour, white rose symbol) orders, which were both founded two thousand years after the others, are obviously a York and Lancaster shoutout.
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
I can't believe I missed that.
Hopefully when the Codex comes out we will get some colours for minor Orders Militant
Captain of the Dead City
That would be nice. I also wouldn't mind a number on how many of them are pew pewing their way around the galaxy - GW numbers are disappointingly low to disappointingly vague and ranging from 10,000 (the Sisters's numbers during their founding) and 10.5 billion - a fan estimate that took mathematic approximations of Imperial populations and how many would actually be realistically be in the Sororitas. That's still only about 0.00005 of the Imperial population, or 300 Sisters raised from the USA to defend the USA.
Edited by GoldenKaos on Nov 6th 2019 at 5:39:50 PM
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Granted, those number are back them were number were very low. Kinda how the space marine legion were 10.000 back in the old lore.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
In general, Sci Fi Writers have no sense of scale when it comes to populations of spacefaring civilizations. Strangely, this is actually the one big area where 40K is more realistic than most space opera settings, though even it tends to undershoot. There being 10 billion Sisters of Battle comes across to me as a fairly reasonable estimate, given the sheer scale of the Imperium.
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
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The million Marines figure is the most hilarious one. The Farsight Enclaves, possibly the most insignificant playable faction, could comfortably take that many.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
"Counting is for the Administratum" -GW Writers
I posted this last month but will do so again as the subject has come up again but Games Workshop commented on their Sci-Fi Writers Have No Sense of Scale in September's White Dwarf
Captain of the Dead City
Yeah, Rule of Cool has always trumped realism in 40k. Of course, that falls apart when realism is the cool for some...
"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
At least in sense of government, GW has the scale proper.
The Imperium is so fucking big that planets are constantly lost in the absolutely massive amount of bureaucracy required to keep it running.
Of course that wouldn't happen if this was more like Star Wars, rathr than the Imperium relying on what is essentially the far-future version of the Difference Engine.
Oh, bother.
I've said before that one of the ways the Imperium is uniquely nightmarish compared to the other factions in 40K is its bureaucracy.
Disgusted, but not surprised
A space marine chapter has 1000 marines. If they were sent to assault the United States, it would average 20 marines per state.
Oh the inconvenience, they've taken and held a couple intersections near the state capital!
I like to think that before Roblox Gorillasuit woke up, Space Marines long descended into a Janissary-like class of primadonnas as opposed to doing anything useful for the Imperium.
Also this, might even work for Awesome Ego (for contect, Zharulash is the C'Tan shard controlling the Pharos):
'I control the Pharos! The portal there is keyed into my brainwaves. If they cease, it will vanish.'
That is a fine piece of news. It came closer, grew larger. When you are dead, this reach of space will be our plaything.
'You’re forgetting the small matter of the singularity!' Cawl shouted. 'If that portal closes, you will have no escape. The quantum engines are unstable. The entanglement of particles that powered this facility will soon slip its bonds. Not even you can flee a black hole. No power in this universe can!' Cawl cackled in triumph. 'So you either fly out of that hole and eat that delicious star I’ve found for you, or you can stay here and die with me.'
Zarhulash stopped. The orb of its being pulsed angrily. Then, with a frustrated roar, it pulled in its limbs.
Know this, slave, roared the C’tan, that you have earned the undying wrath of Zarhulash. We will meet again, and you shall know the true cost of defying a living god.
'I still won though, didn’t I?' said Cawl.
Yep.