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| 9 | Here's where you can find the theories on ''{{WebAnimation/RWBY}}'' settings and plot. Make sure to put your theories in the folders they fit best. |
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| 14 | [[folder:Settings]] |
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| 16 | [[WMG:The other kingdoms will represent different regions of the world IRL]] |
| 17 | Vale thus far encompasses stories in, of, and by authors from Europe/Asia. There will be kingdoms that represent the Americas, Africa, etc. (perhaps Australia and Greenland). |
| 18 | * Confirmed. Anima is influenced by Asia, ranging from India to Japan. Vacuo is influenced by desert countries and cultures. Menagerie is based on Australia. |
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| 20 | [[WMG:There will be a forest representative of the Summer season]] |
| 21 | So far, we know of Forever Fall from the Black Trailer, the Snowy Forest from the Red Trailer, and the Emerald Forest from the Initiation. The seasons must have balance. |
| 22 | * They will call it the Forest of Yellowbrick. |
| 23 | * Maybe the Yellowbrick Desert... |
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| 25 | [[WMG: The RWBY world revolves around magic.]] |
| 26 | If the assumption that Ruby's (and possibly Adam's) use of rose petals is some kind of magic is correct, then that makes Blake the only character introduced so far who has displayed no magical abilities. And the lyrics of her song suggest that she is some kind of outcast. It could be that magic ability is prized in the RWBY universe, or even the norm, and the inability to use it limits one's social standing. (It should also be noted that this would make Blake the group's BadassNormal, given that she's still rather powerful). |
| 27 | * The word is dust, not magic. It powers everything in the universe, from the weapons to huge airships. It also seems to have been monopolized by the Schnee Dust Company... |
| 28 | ** How much is Dust, and how much is Aura? Pyrrha said all the hunters' tools and equipment are conduits for Aura. |
| 29 | ** There is magic in the world, and it is distinct from Semblance and Dust manipulation. |
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| 31 | [[WMG:Something happened to the moon.]] |
| 32 | When we see it in the Red Trailer it's full,in Black it seems there are pieces of it scattered...Could it mean something? |
| 33 | * Ruby shot the moon with hundreds of her mini-blackhole bullets. |
| 34 | * "Oh, you know... phases and shit" -Monty on the RT Podcast. |
| 35 | * According to the Yellow trailer there are two moons, one of which is broken. Maybe RWBY are trying to keep the other one intact? |
| 36 | * What this troper finds weird is how gravity doesn't affect those fragments. (Specifically, how, at the moment of fragmentation, did they not just immediately crash into the still-intact moon.) Then again, if weapons defy and outright not give a fuck about physics already in this universe, why not an entire celestial body? |
| 37 | * The moon used to be tide-locked (only one side faced the planet) and whole like ours is, but an extremely powerful blast shattered part of it and changed its rotation. This give it different phases in which it appears to shatter and come back together. |
| 38 | ** So the fragments are not affected by the larger body's gravitational pull, but that of the planet's? Then why haven't they become meteorites yet? |
| 39 | * Maybe [[Manga/AssassinationClassroom Korosensei]] destroyed the moon? |
| 40 | * Maybe it's not actually broken. Maybe only chunks of one side are actually reflective. |
| 41 | * Maybe [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure2 Doctor Eggman]] shot it? |
| 42 | * Confirmed: God of Destruction was pissed and left the world, not paying attention to the moon getting in his path. |
| 43 | |
| 44 | [[WMG: The moons will be very important at some point.]] |
| 45 | Each girl gets a defined shot with the moon behind them, plus the fact that one is destroyed and another intact means at some point something is going to show up involving them. |
| 46 | * Monty was asked about the significance of the moon on the RT Podcast, and he responded by saying the apparent "destruction" of it is actually just moon phases. However, he has been known to have some minor TrollingCreator tendencies, so I'm not ready to say that this is Jossed. |
| 47 | ** Yellow trailer shows a shattered moon, so... |
| 48 | ** Our moon has phases due to the difference in position between the Earth, Sun and Moon, showing different faces as the part that reflects light is more or less visible from the Earth. So maybe Monty was pointing out that only a portion of the moon is destroyed, and that it's only visible during certain phases? |
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| 50 | [[WMG: The moon is the origin of Dust]] |
| 51 | The moon has been symbolic since day one, and displays many interesting properties that you wouldn't expect to see from a normal moon. |
| 52 | |
| 53 | * 1. The moon is literally broken. There are large fragments of the moon that float around it, but never fall down to Remnant as meteors or crash back into each other as they were pulled towards a common center of mass. |
| 54 | * 2. Despite this, the moon exhibits "phases", sometimes appearing whole, sometimes half-broken, and sometimes almost completely broken on multiple occasions, in no particular order (i.e. the moon isn't steadily breaking up, it can appear more whole at times that clearly take place after it was less whole.) |
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| 56 | The phases can be explained simply, if we assume that the moon isn't tidally locked to Remnant like our moon is locked to us. For instance, |
| 57 | let's assume that, in reality, half the moon is broken apart. Rather than phases we're used to (caused by the Earth's shadow on the moon), Remnant's moon rotates in relation to Remnant, sometimes showing it's entirely whole side to the planet and at other times showing it's mostly broken side. Assuming the fragments all revolve around a common central axis with the rest of the moon, this would effectively give the illusion of the moon appearing more or less broken up as it rotated. |
| 58 | |
| 59 | However, that still doesn't explain why the fragments of the moon haven't gravitated towards a center of mass, either the broken moon's or Remnant's. That's where this guess comes in. |
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| 61 | We know that dust has the ability to make things levitate. Both with the airships and the Vytal Stadium revealed in the latest World of Remnant video (neither of these technologies have been directly confirmed to use dust, but it's stated elsewhere that Dust is the basis for all forms of technology). Let's assume this could, theoretically, occur naturally, with something like dust crystals enabling the rocks they're embedded in to float or otherwise give them the energy needed to defy gravity to that extent. What if that's what the fragments of the moon are? Giant dust-infused rocks that push against the gravity of the moon's center of mass? |
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| 63 | [[HereComesTheScience But it gets worse.]] |
| 64 | |
| 65 | Our Earth moon became... well... [[ShapedLikeItself a moon]] when it crashed into our planet, leaving behind a bit of itself (and when I say a bit of itself, I mean a significant portion of it's surface) here on Earth. Then it kind of tumbled off and stuck itself in a stable orbit around the planet. Well, what if that's how Remnant got it's moon? What if some giant space-faring rock carrying all the Dust ever known to mankind smashed into the planet violently while it was young and left a significant amount of that Dust on Remnant. What if whatever happened to the moon to make it fragment like we see it was from some sort of Dust-based explosion (I mean RWBY Dust, not like an ACTUAL dust explosion, of course) caused by... something someone did in the Great War literally blew the moon apart. This would explain the moon's strange behavior AND the moon's heavy symbolism throughout the series, literally being the source of mankind's hope. |
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| 67 | The Dust could have come from the bits of the broken moon raining down onto Remnant shown near the beginning of Volume 6. |
| 68 | |
| 69 | [[WMG: Trailers take place after the series begins.]] |
| 70 | Black seems to be a prequel, but it might not be. Red trailer is nothing but Ruby showing her scythe off, so it may or may not be in the timeline somewhere. Weiss does not appear to have her scar from her trailer in the first episode. Yellow might well take place before or after the beginning. It is thus possible that all of them take place after episode 1. |
| 71 | * Weiss ''does'' have her scar in her debut episode. It may be a bit tricky to notice, but it is visible when the video is paused. |
| 72 | ** Ah. Yes you are correct. White's trailer seems to just be about her past, Ruby's may not mean anything, Black appears to be a prequel and Yellow is still completely unknown. |
| 73 | *** Weiss mentions that Yang blew up a club as of the second episode of Volume 2. |
| 74 | *** And Yang comes to see Junior again in episode 4, explicitly showing that "Yellow" previously happened. |
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| 76 | [[WMG: Dust comes from the moon.]] |
| 77 | Either chunks of it broke/were blown off and fell to Earth (well not Earth, but you know what I mean), or it looks the way it does because it's been steadily eroded from some sort of lunar mining operation (given the airships, tablet/mobile phones and {{Impossibly Cool Weapon}}s a space program's not that farfetched). This would, of course, make it [[{{Pun}} Moon Dust]]. |
| 78 | * Dust doesn't work outside space. Ozpin mentioned in World of Remnant: Dust that there was never a space programme. |
| 79 | |
| 80 | [[WMG: Humans are not native to Vytal.]] |
| 81 | The faunus are clearly targets of FantasticRacism, but not the types one typically sees. They are indeed treated as lesser beings and given terrible jobs, but the way the Schnee corporation treats them sounds less like an evil slave-driver and more like an evil Wal-Mart. Moreover, for much of their recent history, they were confined to the Menagerie. This heavily-enforced, seemingly-non-slavery-including isolation is odd...but it is reminiscent of two prominent real-world cases of racism: Apartheid in South Africa, and more precisely various reservations of Native Americans. Moreover, the number of faunus in the general population is remarkably low; there are only a handful of them in all of Beacon, and the only ones we see elsewhere are Sun Wukong and members of the White Fang. Why is this? |
| 82 | If humans spread from other continents to Vytal, this can be explained rather easily. They came to Vytal; warfare and disease wiped out most of the natuve faunus, with the rest being corralled in the Menagerie. They took the tools the humans brought with them and managed to fight back (much like how Native Americans were much less defenseless against Europeans once they adopted their firearms and horses), which lead them to being nominally equal citizens of Vale. However, they're still treated as subhuman by many, and there are still open sores from the war; thus, most still stick to the Menagerie and surrounding areas. |
| 83 | |
| 84 | [[WMG: The Grimm are aliens that lived in the moon. Something shattered it, and they all fell out and down to Earth. They saw the native Earthlings as pests, and tried to wipe them out.]] |
| 85 | |
| 86 | [[WMG: Robots forced a stale-mate with the Faunus.]] |
| 87 | The Faunus were winning up to a point; they had gotten out of the exile in Menagerie; but as they started pushing back; mass-produced robots started to win major victories on the field for humans. The problem is, a robot army is _expensive_ (they consume dust at an incredible rate) and can't just be sent everywhere. By this time, some Faunus families immigrated away from Menagerie; and the White Fang started doing smaller, guerrilla terrorist actions; each too small and quick to send a squad to respond. |
| 88 | * The Schnee family provided the dust that the robots run on; making them a major target for the White Fang, in addition to their mining. |
| 89 | |
| 90 | [[WMG: Vacuo has had a crackdown on the White Fang or Faunus in general]] |
| 91 | Sun left Vacuo at some point, despite clearly being proud of coming from there, and is bitter about the WF getting other faunus lumped in with them (as Weiss demonstrated; Faunus + criminal = White Fang for most people). Tukson was planning to flee there, so the WF presumably have less influence than elsewhere (and since his animal feature's retractable claws, he can pass for a human and wouldn't need to worry about anti-Faunus discrimination). |
| 92 | * Jossed. Out of everywhere in the world of Remnant besides Menagerie, it seems Vacuo has the least anti-Faunus discrimination. Though, that may indicate that the White Fang has very little influence in Vacuo, since there is very little racial tension in Vacuo. |
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| 94 | |
| 95 | [[WMG: Things on Remnant are even worse than we've been led to believe from the opening narration.]] |
| 96 | Bad enough that they're using child soldiers to fight the Grimm. Much like in ''Franchise/AttackOnTitan'', it may be because they simply don't have enough adults to conscript and train. Atlas using mech armies commanded by humans in MiniMecha seems to only further support this. Humankind and the faunus might've bounced back, but they're still on the brink and the Breach might have been the moment the Goliaths were waiting for to make a push to wipe humans and faunus off the map. |
| 97 | |
| 98 | [[WMG: Beacon stands where the old wizard's hut once stood.]] |
| 99 | When we're first introduced to the hut, we're told it's in a great forest, near a great river, and we see a mountain range in the distance. When we were first introduced to Beacon, we see that it is surrounded by forest, near a great river and there's a mountain range in the distance behind it. |
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| 101 | [[WMG: Beacon Tower houses some kind of advanced technology that Ozpin uses to control the kingdom.]] |
| 102 | Before facing Cinder, the last thing Ozpin says to Pyrrha is, "The tower cannot fall!" This implies there's something special about Beacon Tower aside from being a mere building, school, and symbol of the kingdom's prosperity. Ozpin's namesake, the Wizard of Oz, was revealed to be just a man behind the curtain using technology and trickery to make himself appear as a more impressive ruler. What if Ozpin is doing the same, and using Beacon Tower for something just as grand and false? |
| 103 | * Beacon is one of the four main CCT towers. If one of the main towers goes down, global communications goes with it. |
| 104 | |
| 105 | [[WMG: The continents are shaped like dragons for a reason.]] |
| 106 | [[spoiler: As Battle of Beacon shows, there's a HUGE dragon Grimm living INSIDE Mountain Glenn. That could very well mean the continents have more, bigger, dragon Grimm underneath.]] |
| 107 | * Jossed. Monty was asked if there's a reason behind the dragon-shaped continents. Monty denied this and stated the origin of the geography is as random as a dirty napkin. [[http://rwby.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rwby_map3.jpg Literally.]] However, there is an in-universe fairy tale about the two dragon-shaped continents being sleeping divine brothers. |
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| 109 | [[WMG: The Great War]] |
| 110 | Ozpin explains that, in the Great War, individual freedoms and artistic expression were among the things at stake, which led to the Color Naming Rule used for the vast majority of the characters. However, this wasn't simply some Bonfire of the Vanities style religious fanaticism at work, but rather a result of overzealous pragmatism. Art is meant to evoke emotions, but not all artwork is meant to evoke ''positive'' emotions. Think about how different things must be on Remnant. Are there horror films or any form of entertainment based around the evocation of fear? In a setting where negative emotions, ''especially'' fear, summon swarms of man-eating monsters out of the woodwork, how would such a form of entertainment and its fans be viewed? They could be perceived as deviants at best and an active threat to the community at worst. Proactive authorities wanting to prevent Grimm attacks would naturally be moved to censor such forms of entertainment to protect their communities. However, art is subjective and even a piece meant to inspire positive emotions can incite negative ones in the wrong people. Where do they draw the line? At some point, certain people in power must have thought that the only way to keep the people safe was to stamp down artistic expression entirely in order to avoid any risk of drawing the Grimm. Other groups opposed this, conflict erupted and the Great War began. |
| 111 | * Confirmed in the World of Remnant episode about the Great War. A mysterious incident in Mantle leads to the king suppressing art and self-expression to fend off the Grimm. They then insist their trading partner, Mistral, does the same thing; the Mistralian emperor only inflicts this on his outer territories and otherwise ignores it. It didn't quite spark the active phase of the Great War itself, but did form part of the century-long build-up that helped the war begin. |
| 112 | |
| 113 | [[WMG: Remnant is Earth after some kind of apocalypse.]] |
| 114 | The name 'Remnant' implies that the world is a remnant ''of something''. In addition, Ruby wears crosses, suggesting that some form of Christianity exists in this world (though, of course, it could just look cool, or mean something completely different in this world). Combine this with the moon being shattered to pieces, and things get suspicious. |
| 115 | |
| 116 | As for what happened, it was probably the result of a combination of a massive natural disaster (namely, the moon shattering--that second moon might have slammed into the first one, or have resulted from an impact with some large object, which would not be good for Earth) and the ensuing global chaos. Clearly, authoritarian governments without a bickering congress would have an advantage after an apocalypse, hence the Great War and implied return to monarchy (the four nations being called kingdoms). And if any human society still had technology intact, it would probably be working on a lot of projects to get things back to normal (mostly genetic engineering), some more successful than others, resulting in Grimm, aura, the Faunus, etc. The impossible contintential structure is harder to justify, but it might be a result of the changes to the Earth following the lunar impact (debris hitting the earth, messed-up tides and so on). |
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| 118 | [[WMG: The Grimm and light creatures are symmetrical]] |
| 119 | Just as humans see Grimm as mindless monochrome monsters, Grimm see humans, Faunus and animals, all creatures with auras, as monochrome, mostly white, mindless monsters who react to them with hostility. Some of them, the Huntsmen and Huntresses, are especially dangerous and aggressive. Grimm have auras with [[DarkIsNotEvil dark hues]], but can not perceive the light auras, just like humans can not |
| 120 | perceive the dark auras of the Grimm. |
| 121 | |
| 122 | [[WMG: Remnant is a slightly-lower-gravity LostColony.]] |
| 123 | The characters are canonically taller than the average real human, they use gun recoil as propulsion, and wield some impressively large weapons even considering that. There does seem to be a degree of schizotech, as well--possibly explained by the Grimm destroying the original colony's infrastructure and the discovery of magic/dust. |
| 124 | |
| 125 | [[WMG: Dust is made of people]] |
| 126 | Think about it. Dust is a form of alchemy that allows humans to cast spells using pre-programmed magic runes that normalize the effects. Humans / Faunus in Remnant can use their Aura as energy to trigger a superpower spell, known as a Semblance. If Dust is mined from crystals in the earth, and Remnant (as the name implies) suffered an apocalypse that buried millions of Semblance-equipped people alive, is it possible that their corpses crystallized over time into Dust much like compressed organic matter eventually decomposes into oil? |
| 127 | |
| 128 | * Alternatively, based on the revelations about Ozpin's past in "The Lost Fable", [[spoiler:Dust is the remains of the precursor humans of Ozma and Salem's era. After all, the precursors possessed the ability to use magic and so their ashen remains would likely possess magic-like properties like those exhibited by the use of Dust.]] |
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| 130 | [[WMG: The world of Remnant is an MMORPG]] |
| 131 | The shades in Volume 1, representing people that the team didn't have the time or resources to design and animate, are the same default shadows that you get in many an MMORPG if your game is suffering massive lag and all the character data for other players isn't fully downloaded. An endless horde of monsters for a few legendary heroines with eccentric weapons and costumes just screams MMORPG, anyway. |
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| 133 | [[WMG: Dust is derived from the Remnant's version of the Lifestream.]] |
| 134 | Dust is based on Materia from FFVII, so the comparison may extend to it being mined from the planet's life force/afterlife. This would make President Schnee based on President Shinra. The narrator says that using Dust "will ultimately change the world of Remnant" which could mean a number of negative things. |
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| 136 | [[WMG: Dust is a finite resource and cutting it's supply would lead to chaos]] |
| 137 | The only way that uncut Dust crystals is obtained is through mining. Do you see any other sources for Dust? This might have some parallel to real life resources such as oil. |
| 138 | |
| 139 | [[WMG: The relic of knowledge might be opposite of relic of choice]] |
| 140 | * It might be a relic of precognition and future sight robing one of free will. |
| 141 | |
| 142 | |
| 143 | [[WMG: Remnant may have aura of it's own ]] |
| 144 | Probably why dust fails after a certain altitude |
| 145 | |
| 146 | [[WMG: The relics may corespond to the items fairy tales asociated with team RWBY]] |
| 147 | * Weiss gets a mirror representing knowlege (Snow White) |
| 148 | |
| 149 | * Yang gets 3 Bowls representing Choice (Goldilocks). |
| 150 | ** alternatively her song |
| 151 | |
| 152 | |
| 153 | * Blake gets a rotting flower representing Destruction in the form of decay (Beauty and the Beast ) |
| 154 | |
| 155 | * Ruby gets a bountiful cornucopia basket representing Creation (red riding hood) |
| 156 | ** None of the team are associated with those particular seasons though. If anything; |
| 157 | * Yang = Summer/Destruction (she burns hot, is an aggressive fighter), |
| 158 | * Weiss = Winter/Creation (obvious Ice Queen themes aside, she is also a summoner, which fits with creation), |
| 159 | * Ruby = Spring/Knowledge (she is much like the original Maiden from the fairytale, being the youngest and hardest working to actively make the world better, and the loss of innocence by gaining knowledge of the harshness of the world is likely to affect her more as the story progresses) and; |
| 160 | * Blake = Fall/Choice (her aloof personality is similar to the original Maidens and more than any other character Blake is defined by her choices (choosing to stay with the White Fang once they turned to violence, choosing to run away from her problems whilst also wrestling with her desire to help and protect people, she walks the line of light and dark more than anyone, which lines up with the Relics purpose of choosing which path to walk)). |
| 161 | |
| 162 | [[WMG: The seasons relates to the settings of each volume, and sets the pacing for the plot]] |
| 163 | Much like in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' and its books, RWBY will follow a similar pattern to its story. |
| 164 | |
| 165 | Each of the kingdoms represents a season. Atlas and Vacuo are located in icy tundra and desert, respectively, representing winter and summer. Vale and Mistral represent autumn and spring. Vale has a nearby forest called Forever Fall, and in the World of Remnant short Qrow talks about the people of Mistral having a great respect for nature and life, implying spring. These are also the locations of the relics and their associated Maidens, with the Spring/Knowledge vault confirmed to be under Haven in Mistral. The first three volumes were set in Vale, and represented the first three months of the school year, ie, fall. They also dealt with the then BigBad Cinder, the Fall Maiden. |
| 166 | |
| 167 | The next two, possibly three, volumes were set in and around Mistral, or focused on the group re-uniting in Mistral, in the spring time (team RNJR were travelling across Anima for an unknown number of months, but since we saw the time skip over winter at the end of volume three, it must be at least spring by the start volume 4). These two, possibly three, volumes also introduced us to the Spring Maiden. |
| 168 | |
| 169 | This implies that the next major story arc will take place in the summer, and possibly take the group to Vacuo, introducing us to the Summer Maiden. The story may then take another time skip over fall of that year, starting the next volume off in winter time, in Atlas, where we will see the Winter Maiden. |
| 170 | |
| 171 | Alternatively we will take a much bigger time skip from spring to winter, and then from winter to summer, but that covers a much longer time period between story arcs. |
| 172 | |
| 173 | Each of these arcs will likely be either 2 or 3 volumes in length, taking the series up to at least volume 9, possibly 12. |
| 174 | |
| 175 | [[WMG: Remnant is Earth, thousands of years after a nuclear war.]] |
| 176 | In the distant past, the United States and Russia engaged in a global nuclear war that cast civilization into ruin. |
| 177 | |
| 178 | Now, thousands of years later, mankind has re-established some form of civilization, limited to a single continent that doesn't resemble any known continent because all of those groundbursts played havoc with the tectonic plates. |
| 179 | |
| 180 | As for the so-called "magic", there is none. Dust, Aura, and Semblences are all postwar WeirdScience. The Grimm are actually animals that have been heavily mutated by radiation. The story of the two brothers and the Four Maidens are myths passed down over thousands of years since, without the Catholic church, creationism was widely accepted while evolution was rejected as pagan propaganda. Of course, Christianity still exists since Ruby and Qrow have crosses on their persons, but it's mainly because many feel the Grimm are Satanic entities (nobody's actually taken the time to study Grimm biology). |
| 181 | |
| 182 | The faunus were not the result of radioactive mutation, but gene-splicing to create humans who could survive in harsher environments. This project was destroyed by the last gasp of fascism, and soon, the faunus became an oppressed minority. |
| 183 | |
| 184 | The landmasses we see in the series are the only ones inhabited by humans. All the other continents and islands are either infested with Grimm or have been reclaimed by nature. Nobody's tried sending out expeditions because they're too busy either fighting Salem or amongst themselves. |
| 185 | |
| 186 | As for the shattered moon? At some point after the war, Apophis collided with the moon, which forever changed Earth's geography. If you look closely at a map of Remnant, you can see alot of similarities with Earth's continents, so it stands to reason that, after the moon was destroyed, the tides changed, and areas that were once underwater became new landmasses, and vice-versa. It's also likely that large chunks of the moon impacted Earth; for example: Lake Matsu in Anima is a massive crater formed by one of these impacts. |
| 187 | |
| 188 | [[WMG: Remnant is an isolated human colony in the Halo/RVB-verse.]] |
| 189 | The Grimm are the native life, stripped of sapience by humans killing them early in their long lifecycle, with even those who live long enough to gain it (such as the goliaths outside Mountain Glenn) now being the equivalent of grown feral children. Salem is the last survivor of what the Grimm once were. Aura and semblance are products of advanced bioengineering intended to combat the Grimm, which is why aura and Grimm are incompatible. (The Faunus, of course, are also bioengineered, possibly a supersoldier program predating the colony, with some colonists happening to be from that program.) The maidens are the remains of a botched attempt at an apprenticeship-based AmazonBrigade. The slaughter of the Grimm, and the in-fighting that followed, left the colonists disillusioned with humanity, and they took great pains to replace their true history with fairy tales, even giving a romantic cause to the Great War, in reality the same sort of conflagration of petty factionalism as... well, most wars, in particular [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne its namesake]]. Ozpin is an AI projection given false memories to advance these tales. |
| 190 | |
| 191 | Originally thought lost, the rest of humanity have rediscovered the colony and, seeing how far they've come in their isolation, and how thorough their isolation has become, have decided it makes an interesting case study and banned breaking their isolation. The... odd system of "huntsmen" and "huntresses," especially their training, is a source of particular fascination, and this is what Dylan's boss wanted her to cover (from orbit, of course). |
| 192 | |
| 193 | [[WMG: The Brother Gods aren't the only gods around.]] |
| 194 | As of "The Lost Fable", the brother gods are revealed to take forms akin to eastern and western dragons. Two of the continents on Remnant have been noted to be shaped like eastern and western dragons. But that still leaves a number of undefined landmasses; they could just be natural, but both Menagerie and Solitas look like the vague outlines of ''something''. |
| 195 | |
| 196 | * Confirmed--there's at least one other God aside from the Brothers--the God of Animals from Faunus mythology. |
| 197 | ** Not quite. The God of Animals is part of a fairytale on Remnant, which isn't automatic confirmation since it is stated that those stories are not necessarily true in a literal sense. |
| 198 | |
| 199 | [[WMG: Dinosaurs are a thing]] |
| 200 | In certain "Just for fun" pics Monty himself made, there's a recurring velociraptor that shows up: the [=RWBYsaurus=]. What if dinosaurs are a living species on Remnant? While there's no definitive proof, the series does have "Rapier Wasps", which are probably not normal bugs, so other unusual animals could be possible. And ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' runs on RuleOfCool, and what's cooler than dinosaurs? |
| 201 | |
| 202 | [[WMG:Shade Academy's Relic is ''not'' in its vault]] |
| 203 | As the name implies, the Sword of Destruction is extremely dangerous and can tempt even the most virtuous to horrific things. So Ozpin and/or Shade's headmaster decided to give this Relic special security. Instead, the vault provides [[OnlyTheWorthyMayPass a riddle or trial]] to test if the person respects life and creation enough to use the Relic wisely. The reward for passing is the Sword's true location. |
| 204 | * The kingdom's name could be hinting to this: Vacuo means "empty". |
| 205 | |
| 206 | [[WMG:The resolution of the conflict between Salem and Ozma will be a reflection of that of the Brothers.]] |
| 207 | The main story is that the Brothers were mainly of two different ideas and always in conflict with each other. Eventually, the God of Light had enough and decided to resolve things with his younger brother by creating something that they can both be proud of, which is the result of humanity. |
| 208 | |
| 209 | Salem and Ozma are a reflection of the Brothers born by them in some way: the former from the Dark Brother’s pools of Grimm and the latter resurrect by the Light Brother himself. Chances are that one of Ozma’s reincarnations, most likely Oscar, will have enough and decide to resolve things by working with Salem to create something that they both want. |
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| 212 | [[folder:Volume 1]] |
| 213 | |
| 214 | [[WMG: The trailers all occur on the same night as the first episode.]] |
| 215 | When Roman shows up at From Dust to Dawn, he complains about how hard it is to find a dust shop open that late, which would imply he hasn't planned this in advance. Given he was speaking to Junior in the Yellow trailer (and uses his mooks), it makes sense that he hired them and set off to do some heistin' on the spot at once (otherwise he could have checked the opening times). Ruby (a schoolgirl) is out pretty late...why would that be? Given Yang was out on a mission of some sort, perhaps Ruby took the time to visit the gravesite and had just got back into town at the end of the Yellow trailer. As for Roman's poor planning; what could force his hand, and for that matter, why might a shop decide to stay open that late? This could be explained by an incoming shipment of dust. If Roman knew that the next shipment of dust was going to be blown up (Cinder could easily have had something to do with Blake and Adam's raid and told him), he might have impulsively decided to grab some while he could (or maybe he agreed to strike out against a Dust store as a good will gesture towards the White Fang), and the shopkeeper kept his shop open so he could get his new stock in before closing up for the night (a train large enough to need two sets of tracks might only be able to travel every so often). Meanwhile, Weiss's father hears about the train job and makes her childhood difficult (this would explain why she mentioned a simple act of sabotage as if it was the worst thing on a list including the murder of family friends). In summary the day could have gone something like this; |
| 216 | * Yang sets off looking for leads on...whoever she was looking for. With her sister gone, Ruby decides to visit Summer Rose's grave. Blake sits down on a tree stump and broods. |
| 217 | * Yang spends the day searching for leads and hears that Junior "knows everything". |
| 218 | * Ruby's battle ends and she heads back to town. Adam and Blake begin their TrainJob. |
| 219 | * Roman hears about the train job (or knew in advance and decided to take advantage of it on a whim) and decides to rob a dust store. He heads to Junior's nightclub to get hold of some {{mook}}s. |
| 220 | * Yang arrives at Junior's club as Roman leaves to rendezvous with the mooks Junior rented him. |
| 221 | * Ruby meets Yang (as per the end of the Yellow trailer). News of the train job reaches Weiss's father. |
| 222 | * Mr. Schnee takes out his frustration on his daughter, possibly via making her fight a giant mechanical knight[[labelnote:Alternative Theory]]The knight was some sort of assassin the White Fang sent as part of a multi-pronged attack to coincide with the train job.[[/labelnote]] [[labelnote:Other Alternative Theory]]The battle with the knight was part of some sort of final exam Weiss passed to graduate from whatever school she was attending (the castle-like setting could have been a private school of some sort). Her dad had to rush off to deal with the aftermath of the train job and missed it.[[/labelnote]] |
| 223 | * Ruby finds a dust shop that's open late (waiting for a shipment of dust) and decides to see if the new issue of Weapons Magazine's in. |
| 224 | * Roman and his shiny new goons head towards the shop and the events of episode 1 happen. |
| 225 | "This will be the ''day''", indeed.... |
| 226 | ---- |
| 227 | * One very, ''very'' minor detail sort of trips this theory up, though: The moons in each trailer and the first episode all show different phases. (Hell, the Yellow trailer shows ''two''!) Unless it rotates really, really fast, it would make it very unlikely for all these to have happened within just one night... |
| 228 | ** Technically there's nothing which indicates that one of Vytal's moon's rotation isn't of a similar or shorter length to the planet's. In fact, far from having to go really fast, it would logically only need to spin at a similar rate to the planet to have a change of phase which lasts one night (accounting for any differences in size). |
| 229 | * About your seventh point's first theory: The Schnee are apparently wealthy and powerful enough that they can oppress Faunus and mostly survive the White Fang's attacks. And Weiss is their heiress: she'd get the best protection they could allow her. Is it really likely that something so big could attack her indoors, and no-one would notice or care? |
| 230 | * Jossed. Weiss' scar that's obtained in her trailer is present in the first episode, and Blake's trailer takes place before her defection from the White Fang. |
| 231 | |
| 232 | [[WMG: Shit's about to hit the fan.]] |
| 233 | They delayed episode 15 by a week, and it's going to air on Halloween night. Do the math. |
| 234 | * If the intent behind this is that the conflict occur on the Halloween episode, then it's jossed. Nothing big happened. Unless you count [[TheReveal Blake's blurtage]]. |
| 235 | * The big hit came in the season's finale. We learn more about Blake, Penny, Roman, and Cinder. Mostly Blake. |
| 236 | * And then the cliff hanger... guess we will have to wait till summer of 2014 at the earliest. |
| 237 | * And they're back and Cinder has moved their operation into Beacon. At this point, I now agree it's safe to say things are about to blow up. |
| 238 | |
| 239 | [[WMG: The academy will hold a ball at some point.]] |
| 240 | There's no real justification for this guess, I just think more CostumePorn would be really cool. Bonus points if said ball [[KickingAssInAllHerFinery is interrupted by a demon attack]] and all the students have to fight in formal dress. |
| 241 | * with the international competition held at the school..cough harry potter cough...this is almost a guarantee |
| 242 | * It happened. And it had Jaune in drag. |
| 243 | |
| 244 | [[WMG: RWBY will hold or participate in a concert.]] |
| 245 | There's already indications that this may happen. Weiss is already shown singing (and her own song, no less), and [[https://twitter.com/montyoum/status/341271994286866433/photo/1 this picture]] shows that each team member has their own instrument models. Songs will play out in the style of the Yellow trailer: Ruby sings "Red Like Roses," Weiss follows up with "Mirror, Mirror," Blake sings "From Shadows," and Yang does "I Burn," followed up with a full band effort for "This Will Be the Day." |
| 246 | * All with just Casey Lee Williams's voice alone? That oughta sound weird. That said, I'd rather hear duets of "Red Like Roses Part II" and "From Shadows". And I wonder who's gonna be the rapper for "I Burn"? And... oh, yeah, Yang singing "Gold" for Ruby would be awesome too. As well as "I May Fall" before "This Will Be the Day". |
| 247 | * Sort of. It seems (though it may not end up happening) that Weiss will be performing, though it will only be her and not the whole team. |
| 248 | |
| 249 | [[WMG: There will be a flashback episode centered around Ozpin's days at Beacon.]] |
| 250 | And he will be revealed to have been almost exactly like Ruby in terms of personality. |
| 251 | * It might actually tie in with him being the Wizard of Oz. I mean, think about it; he seems like this great, amazing Hunter who's probably ShroudedInMyth or something. He might have been something of an ActionSurvivor or even a RookieRedRanger at one time, and only a close few people really know about it. It would be like TheManBehindTheCurtain, right? |
| 252 | |
| 253 | [[WMG: [[FloatingContinent Beacon]] will fall out of the sky.]] |
| 254 | Because [[RuleOfCool Monty Oum.]] |
| 255 | * Except... Beacon isn't the airship, it's the castle-like structure overlooking the cliff at the end of episode 1 with an [[Film/TheWizardOfOz emerald]] [[MeaningfulName beacon]]. |
| 256 | ** Which doesn't prevent it from falling out of the sky; if it's overlooking the cliff that means [[NoKillLikeOverkill it could be forced over it.]] |
| 257 | *** Or the cliff could be undermined, by, say, the White Fang with some Dust-infused explosives, or a really REALLY big Grimm... |
| 258 | |
| 259 | [[WMG: Signal will be destroyed and be a BreakTheCutie moment for Ruby Rose.]] |
| 260 | The full "This Will Be the Day" lyrics and the opening narration both mention how brilliant lights can be snuffed out... and what are the names of different academies? Things like "Beacon" and "Signal" - probable light sources. Hearing that Signal fell to the Grim (or otherwise) and consequently learning (or assuming) that her uncle Qrow was killed will either cause Ruby Rose to either become a BrokenBird or suffer a HeroicBSOD. |
| 261 | * Well... [[spoiler:Beacon definitely was destroyed]], though the rest of it hasn't happened. Ruby is hanging in there. |
| 262 | |
| 263 | [[WMG: There will, at some point, be a huge Dust explosion.]] |
| 264 | I mean, epic. Continent destroying. If a single sneeze can make a vial of it explode, imagine what our heroes' guns could do in, say, a factory. Besides, explosions and high action go together like bread and butter. |
| 265 | * Well, Roman IS stockpiling the stuff...someone rolls a grenade into that warehouse of his and the blast is going to leave one HELL of a crater. |
| 266 | * Well, it didn't really "make a vial of it explode"; it just caused [[AshFace petty combustion]] and knocked the rest of the vial away to be retrieved by Blake. Granted, still a potential scenario with the right components, but let's not *GlassesPull* blow things out of proportion. *cue Music/TheWho* |
| 267 | ** It should be noted that Weiss was shaking off...er...Dust dust?... with the way she was shaking the vial to punctuate her point...which made a nice [[UsefulNotes/ThePoorMansAtomicBomb fuel-air explosive]] mixture for the sneeze to trigger. |
| 268 | *** You mean SOOT? |
| 269 | |
| 270 | [[WMG: One or several of the named weapons will be broken, and Ruby will have a ForgingScene to fix them.]] |
| 271 | Bonus points if she upgrades to UltimateBlacksmith in the process. |
| 272 | * Well, [[spoiler:Yang replaced the gauntlet she lost in Volume 3 with a new one in Volume 4.]] |
| 273 | |
| 274 | [[WMG: The 2nd verse of "This Will Be the Day" is [[{{Foreshadowing}} prophetic.]]]] [note]also building on the "Signal will be destroyed" and "The trailers took place after Episode 1" [=WMG=]s above[/note] |
| 275 | Something bad will happen (most likely being the "Signal being destroyed" theory above), bad enough for the girls to go their separate ways, leading to the events from the trailers, but in a different order (explained by Ruby trying to [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether put the band back together]]). But [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore nothing will ever be the same again]], mostly due to lingering tensions and the fact that this world will face an Apocalypse, or the aforementioned DoomedHometown theory. |
| 276 | * The trailers do not take place after Episode 1. Weiss' scar is present from her first in-series appearance. |
| 277 | |
| 278 | [[WMG: Either Beacon will be taken over by a hostile, mind-controlling force, or the other students will believe the girls have been.]] |
| 279 | Or the girls actually ''will'' be - this is based on the scene in the intro where the RWBY team is surrounding some sort of pulsating, hovering energy-ball thing - or maybe it's a portal - and they're facing ''outwards'', in defensive positions. Either the HappyFunBall is not a threat, or they ''believe'' it isn't, and they're protecting it against something or someone who ''is'' a threat. When combined with the 'brilliant lights (Beacon?) will cease to burn' bit in the theme song, the implications are a bit...interesting, to say the least, especially if Ozpin is the [[{{foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] "[[MultiplePersonalities man with two souls]]". |
| 280 | * Said HappyFunBall explodes seconds later. Judging from the facial expressions Ruby makes before it does, team RWBY had no idea it was there until it blew up. And then they attacked it, which means they thought it was hostile. |
| 281 | ** Actually (now that I've watched the rest of the "credits" again), Ruby abruptly ''turns and slashes at it'', causing it to explode; the team then runs at a ''quite larger'' SBPT (Swirley Black Portal Thing) that may or may not be a result of the explosion. Given that a moment before they're pretty obviously surrounding it and facing out in defensive positions, surrounded by Grim (pause the video and the red eyes everywhere are obvious),they knew it was there, the question is was it mind-controlling them and Ruby shook it off, or was it a "if we can't keep it, they won't get it" moment. |
| 282 | ** That wasn't a slashing motion. Ruby noticed the ball, saw it was about to explode, and she used Crescent Rose to shield herself from it. I don't think they knew it was there until it blew up. Also, it might be worth noting that one it explodes, every pair of Grimm eyes that used to surround them suddenly vanishes. |
| 283 | *** The thing is, if they previously hadn't known it was there, why were they in a ''perfect defensive circle'' around it? |
| 284 | *** Because they were being [[BackToBackBadasses back to back badasses]], and someone threw a black hole grenade in the middle of them. |
| 285 | * Song now appears to be foreshadowing the [[spoiler:soul/aura transfer technology seen in "Fall."]] |
| 286 | |
| 287 | [[WMG: Blake and Weiss will find themselves at the center of the Schnee vs. WF conflict.]] |
| 288 | Sometime after they make up and reconcile their differences, a future episode will feature the above mentioned conflict. Both girls will be called traitors by their respective sides "for working with the enemy" as the girls try to explain how the conflict isn't so black and white and that a resolution can be reached. Their proof? Both girls have managed to work together on team RWBY, and therefore the Schnee Dust Company and the White Fang can also learn to cooperate by following the girls' example. While the episode may not end with everything magically patched, the girls' actions will cause the conflict to move towards a positive conclusion. |
| 289 | * This fits with the theme colouring, too, [[IncrediblyLamePun Black and White.]] |
| 290 | |
| 291 | [[WMG: Ozpin and the other Beacon staff spy on students with Crows]] |
| 292 | They've only ever been shown watching students who are outside and a small, flying AnimalEyeSpy would be able to get the wide range of angles (and be innocuous enough that nobody noticed them. "Birdy, no!" could have been foreshadowing. |
| 293 | * Alternatively, these spycrows are Grimm-sent as a theory goes they are not the mindless beasts we're led to believe they are. This troper has had doubts about these little birds being "actual Grimm" but a subset used for infiltration and reconnaissance sounds plausible. |
| 294 | * Well, not quite. [[spoiler:Qrow is implied to be the crow that keeps appearing]], but it doesn't seem like it's under Ozpin's orders. |
| 295 | |
| 296 | [[WMG: Yang and Nora will team up at one point.]] |
| 297 | They're both energetic, outgoing, and more powerful than they look, and their fighting styles rely on overwhelming force, moreso for Nora than Yang. It would be pretty awesome to see them team up against some behemoth Grimm, or a HateSink who beats the shit out of both Ruby and Ren and gloats about it. Alternatively, they could just get up to wild hijinks outside of battle. |
| 298 | |
| 299 | [[WMG: The show will move in seven-episode cycles]] |
| 300 | Six episodes of character development/comedy/filler, one episode of fight scene. We'll see in episode fifteen. |
| 301 | * There was a fight scene in Episode 10. |
| 302 | ** True, but it lasted about 30 seconds and the rest was character development. |
| 303 | *** Jossed as of episode 14, which had a respectable fight one week ahead of schedule. |
| 304 | *** Respectable, yet not epic. Episode 16 contained a fairly epic fight scene. |
| 305 | |
| 306 | [[WMG: Team CFVY (minus Velvet) beat the shit out of Team CRDL for bullying Velvet.]] |
| 307 | The one thing that stopped them from being severely paralysed was Velvet stopping her teammates at the last second, making CRDL somewhat nicer. |
| 308 | |
| 309 | Then Nora broke their legs offscreen. |
| 310 | |
| 311 | [[/folder]] |
| 312 | |
| 313 | [[folder:Volume 2]] |
| 314 | |
| 315 | [[WMG: Penny will be outed as a robot in the tournament when she takes damage.]] |
| 316 | Tournament rules use how much energy the combatants auras' have left to determine when one of them has lost. Penny, as a robot, has no aura and this will be exposed when one of the competitors manages to land a hit on her. The blow may or may not hurt her, but the fact that her life bar won't go down will make it clear that she's not human. |
| 317 | * Actually, Penny can generate aura. She says so in the episode after she stops the truck from squishing Ruby: "I'm the world's first synthetic person capable of generating an aura." Therefore, she should still be able to take damage just as any human could, but she may or may not be able to tank more of it. |
| 318 | * Like the above commenter says, Penny can generate an aura. But yes, she was outed as a robot in the tournament due to taking damage... |
| 319 | * Confirmed: Volume 3 episode 9 [=PvP=] has Penny's Status as a robot reveled [[spoiler:after she is torn in half Pyrrha's semblance]] |
| 320 | |
| 321 | [[WMG: Penny will be accused of cheating.]] |
| 322 | Alternative to the above, Penny will be accused of rigging the aura-measuring devices. |
| 323 | * Jossed. |
| 324 | |
| 325 | [[WMG: Season 2 will [[DeconstructedTrope give Ruby a taste of what the dark side of being a huntress is like.]] ]] |
| 326 | And it is NOT gonna be pretty. |
| 327 | |
| 328 | [[WMG: The food fight scene will get a CallBack in a serious fight.]] |
| 329 | Ozpin's speech to Glynda after the food fight seems to suggest that the series will become bit more serious in the future. And where the food fight might be funny due of how ridiculous it was, imagine the fight with actual weapons and a serious reasoning for the battle to happen. |
| 330 | * One possibility is that Ruby fights Pyrrha. As she starts losing, Ruby notices that her swings seem to keep veering just a bit off because she needs both arms to use her scythe, and would feel a pull on both arms and not one like everyone else. Then she remembers Pyrrha's actions with Jaune's shield and the food fight and realizes what's going on, ditching her scythe and just speed-blizting Pyrrha into a wall like in the food fight. Depending on when this happens, this could ruin Pyrrha's reputation as people debate over her actual level of skill: is she the prodigy they think, or is she just good at using a simple trick to supplement average abilities? |
| 331 | * Well, [[spoiler:Ruby definitely won't be fighting Pyrrha]]. |
| 332 | |
| 333 | [[WMG: Volume 2 will be a deconstruction of the first volume.]] |
| 334 | Similar to ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty'', the first Volume will be deconstructed to make it more serious and darker than it's predecessor. It will probably try to explore the characters personalities too [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion Eva style.]] In terms of personalities, I predict that... |
| 335 | * Ruby's [[GenkiGirl craziness]] and [[PerkyGoth personality]] is a result of her trying to cope with her mother's death, which Red Like Roses II reveals. |
| 336 | * Weiss' attitude is a result of not being well liked by her [[TheUnfavorite parents]] or [[IJustWantToHaveFriends friends]], and thus she takes out her anger on others. |
| 337 | * Blake's past as a Faunus will be explored more, and something bad might've happened to her if she was part of a race that many people [[FantasticRacism hate.]] |
| 338 | * Yang is actually Ruby's step sister (why else would she have a different last name) and will be asked that question by others in-universe. In terms of personality, [[BloodKnight she craves battles]], and will probably beat up someone [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown rather graphically.]] |
| 339 | ** Monty confirmed Yang is Ruby's half-sister. |
| 340 | * Jaune's already a deconstruction of the ButtMonkey, but maybe [[{{Reconstruction}} he'll get better in his combat skills as the series progresses.]] |
| 341 | * Nora has a serious case of ADHD. Why else is she so energetic? |
| 342 | * Pyrrha's status as TheAce will be deconstructed by showing how [[TrainingFromHell hard it is]] to be that good of a fighter/athlete. |
| 343 | ** Alternatively, Pyrrha's arc in Volume 2 may involve we dealing with how hard it is to be an [[ChildSoldier Achilles]]. |
| 344 | * Lie Ren's stoicism will be put to the test when [[NotSoStoic something horrible happens]] to him and his team, especially Nora. |
| 345 | * And of course, Volume 2 will probably have blood. The trailer to Volume 2 looked like the heroes were battling humans anyway, so them bleeding would show that this is not the [[SugarWiki/SweetDreamsFuel nice and happy,]] [[DeathWorld if dark land]] of RWBY Volume 1 as you remembered. This would also be a reference to Monty Oum's other series, ''WebAnimation/DeadFantasy'', which used blood in the same way as I described it above. |
| 346 | ** Of course, it may not happen, but it would be interesting. |
| 347 | *** Of course it won't, they've already battled humans. And aside from the step sister thing, [[{{Jossed}} you're all wrong]] [[WebAnimation/ZeroPunctuation and a bag of chips]] |
| 348 | |
| 349 | [[WMG: Ruby has already realized who Cinder is.]] |
| 350 | When Ruby bumped into Cinder at the end of chapter two between the hesitation and the look on her face Ruby has probably already recognized Cinder as her as the woman whom Glynda dueled with from the first episode. At the absolute least there's an awareness that something is amiss. |
| 351 | * Cinder unveils her dastardly plans and [[FridgeHorror Ruby realizes she could have prevented it.]] |
| 352 | |
| 353 | [[WMG: Jaune will pull an eleventh hour superpower and be the hero of Volume 2]] |
| 354 | Cinder's dialogue at the end of Extracurricular carries some kind of implication like she has a plot to rob the more capable students like Pyrrha of their powers. In the same episode it's mentioned that Jaune still hasn't found his semblance. It's possible that he'll discover his semblance at the last possible moment and that it will be something powerful enough to turn the entire battle on its head and protect his friends. |
| 355 | * Well not in Volume 2 sadly (though he DID go all out on an Ursa), but maybe 3? |
| 356 | ** Not Volume 3 either. |
| 357 | |
| 358 | [[WMG: Episode Eight will involve an extended fight between Cinder, Emerald and Mercury against the whole of Beacon's student body and the teachers.]] |
| 359 | It's likely, probable even, that Ruby was able to recognize Cinder as both the witch Glynda fought and as the student from Haven. Cinder pulls off the same bullet block trick as she did in episode one. Additionally, while the room may not be well lit, it was certainly bright enough for Ruby to see Cinder's mask. It's not too had to notice that the long black hair and gold eyes also happen to match up neatly with the girl that Ruby met in the hallways of Beacon. Furthermore, Ruby is a sniper: her eyes have probably been conditioned to be able to assess a local and person rapidly and retain the information. And Ruby got an extended look at Cinder just before the fight. Take into account the fact that Ironwood appeared seconds after Ruby, and it's very likely that Ozpin, the staff, and soon enough the students will know Cinder's real intentions. |
| 360 | * There's also a meta reason for this: the three act structure. If you examine each episode, you see a basic rising action and falling action format. Episode one had dark beginnings but light hearted action, episode two had no action but heavy drama with Blake's fears and the twist of Cinder and company in Beacon, three was character building with angst with Weiss and drama with Penny, four was basically a vehicle for an enormous mecha fight, five was back to episode two's drama with Blake, Pyrrha and Jaune and action with Pyrrha and CRDL, six was mostly drama (Yang's back story, Blake's own pains, and Jaune's worry about Weiss) and comedy ("Lady stilts", Ren in a towel, Yang and Weiss setting up the dance), seven was drama with Pyrrha's Jaune's Neptune's and Weiss's feelings, comedy with Jaune's dancing a cross dressing, and villainous action with Cinder. All of this built up to episode four, and now it's building up to episode eight, which looks to continue the trend of a heavy action sequence as we transition into the third act of volume two. |
| 361 | * Jossed. |
| 362 | |
| 363 | [[WMG: Ruby and Jaune's lineage will prove to be a central plot point]] |
| 364 | In the stinger of the Season 2 finale, we see Raven Branwen standing at the statue of the Arc ancestor and his comrade--specifically, she's right under the woman next to Arc. It's fairly obvious at this point that she's related to Ruby and/or Yang. That got me thinking, are there some secrets between the two bloodlines tied to the fate of things we haven't seen yet? |
| 365 | * Well, Ruby's lineage seems important with the reveal of what [[spoiler:silver eyes]] mean. |
| 366 | |
| 367 | [[WMG: Weiss WILL eventually warm up to Jaune... [[MagneticGirlfriend Once Jaune and Pyrrha]] [[RelationshipUpgrade become a couple]]]] |
| 368 | Why? Because this is the exact thing [[LovableAlphaBitch Weiss]] would do. Once she recognizes that Jaune has [[WhatDoesSheSeeInHim something important]] that Pyrrha has recognized in him, [[UnrequitedLoveSwitcheroo he will become a target for her affections]] due to her desire to control those with more ability than her. [[GreenEyedEpiphany This]] [[BettyAndVeronica will]] [[RelationshipSabotage probably]] [[ClingyJealousGirl end]] [[OperationJealousy badly.]] |
| 369 | ** Alternatively, they'll become friends because Jaune will finally stop hitting on her (poorly). |
| 370 | * Jossed, since [[spoiler:Pyrrha is dead and Weiss presumably never noticed Pyrrha's crush on Jaune]]. |
| 371 | |
| 372 | [[/folder]] |
| 373 | |
| 374 | [[folder:Volume 3]] |
| 375 | |
| 376 | [[WMG: Future episodes will continue and there will be a nice tribute to Creator/MontyOum ]] |
| 377 | * Because if ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender'' can do something for Mako, why not have RWBY do something for Monty! Since Matt Hullum said that the company plans to continue RWBY and that Monty was very open with his co-workers on writing the story all the way out through volume five, the team know what was planned for later episodes. This means more episodes are coming, so there should be a tribute to Monty to honor his memories and the hard work that he put himself through to make RWBY the way it is today. |
| 378 | ** Confirmed. |
| 379 | |
| 380 | [[WMG: Season 3 will be Academies vs. Atlas Military vs. White Fang]] |
| 381 | As of the end of Season 2, Roman is now in the custody of Ironwood and the Atlas Military, Cinder, Mercury and Emerald have the White Fang at their beck-and-call due to having influence on Adam, and the Huntsman Academies students are all at Beacon for the tournament and Vital festival. I'm willing to bet that Roman is either in league with Ironwood, or will spread mistrust through the Atlas Military towards the Academies while in custody, thus causing a '3 faction' dynamic that will either be the focus or a main plot point of the next season. |
| 382 | * Half-and-half. Cinder hacked the Atlas military force, taking the robotic troops under her control, while Ironwood and the rest of the humans on Atlas' side joined the Academies in their fight against Cinder and the allied White Fang. So it was Academies and Human Atlesians vs. Cinder and her forces(the hijacked Atlas robots and the White fang). |
| 383 | |
| 384 | [[WMG: The fact that Jaune has not yet unlocked his semblance is going to be a SpannerInTheWorks to Cinder's plan to take away the Beacon students' powers.]] |
| 385 | If Cinder's plan to take away the students' powers requires assessing them first, it's probably not going to be some kind of blanket effect. It's also not unreasonable for her to assume that any student good enough for Beacon will have already discovered their Semblance. Since Jaune has not yet unlocked any powers beyond letting his Aura help him heal, and yet managed to fake his way into Beacon, she's probably working off largely false information about his abilities, and there is a very good chance that whatever she does to the other students won't take for Jaune. The likely result is that while everyone else gets BroughtDownToNormal, Jaune will remain empowered or at least not be prevented from unlocking and using his semblance afterwards, which would be a huge Jaune-shaped hole in any plan that involves depowering all the trainee Huntsmen in Beacon at a key moment, especially since it's been more than hinted that Jaune's powers are going to be pretty badass once he comes into them. |
| 386 | |
| 387 | [[WMG: Theories on Ruby's friends arriving in the third year of Beacon (so quite a few volumes into the future).]] |
| 388 | * Ruby's friends from Signal Academy will turn up as first-years, leading to Ruby having to balance time between her team and her friends, which might lead to some conflicts. Either that or she finds that though they're still friends, the two year gap between her and them means they aren't as close as they used to be. |
| 389 | |
| 390 | [[WMG: Also to do with the third year, though in this instance about the next Vytal Festival.]] |
| 391 | * The 41st Vytal Festival will be held in the home nation of a previous introduced important character, such as Sun Wukong's. |
| 392 | ** Also, if we include the above bit about Ruby's friends, Team RWBY don't go over to the tournament until much closer to the festival (so late 2nd semester/going into the 3rd semester (unless Volume 3 isn't in the third semester), in order to give time for drama to play out. |
| 393 | |
| 394 | [[WMG: Cinder and her group are going to destroy the Amity Colosseum to trigger another war.]] |
| 395 | * It's been revealed that Cinder has not only hacked the tournament match-ups, but ''Ironwood's Scroll''. It could give her access to the tournament's defenses - the fleet of armed airships, robot soldiers, ''and Penny'' - and turn it against them. The Amity Colosseum is a gigantic structure floating over Vale. Just imagine what would happen if it crashed... |
| 396 | * Yes and no. While Cinder definitely hacked the robotic soldiers and turned them against the civilians and students to attract Grimm, her immediate goal was to reach [[spoiler:Amber]] in the ensuing chaos. |
| 397 | |
| 398 | [[WMG: Cinder was planning on Team NDGO winning.]] |
| 399 | Now that we know Cinder’s been controlling the match-ups and the arena for each round, it’s clear that she’s been skewing the fights in a certain team’s favor. (Weiss having Ice, Nora having Electricity.) Considering how much Cinder seems to know about the people around her, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to think she would have knowledge of Neptune’s fear of water, and she gave NDGO an edge on top of that by giving them the Desert biome. (“Alright, home-field advantage!”) With all this in mind, it seems like Cinder intended for Team NDGO to be the victor, but Team SSSN ended up winning against the odds. This may lead to them becoming [[SpannerInTheWorks Spanners in the Works.]] |
| 400 | * Team SSSN definitely did not become a SpannerInTheWorks. |
| 401 | |
| 402 | [[WMG: Alternatively to the above, Cinder’s plan would have the same result whether Team SSSN or Team NDGO won.]] |
| 403 | True, the two biomes chosen for their fight give NDGO an advantage, but Sun has spent plenty of time in the desert as well (“Don’t get too cocky! That’s my turf too!”) and Neptune has an electric weapon, which is how Team SSSN won. Maybe Cinder didn’t care who won either way and gave each team clear advantages and disadvantages with the two chosen biomes for a more interesting fight. |
| 404 | |
| 405 | [[WMG: Gernal Ironwood is TheMole and working for Cinder.]] |
| 406 | If you read the FreezeFrameBonus entry on his page, you know that [[spoiler:Ironwood's scroll flashed Cinder's Queen symbol just as he took it off the headmaster's computer/desk]], and when we see Cinder plotting with her cronies, [[spoiler:her scroll show's Ironwood's picture and now has access into the Vytal festival's operating systems]]. This was all Ironwood's doing, taking advantage of the position he's in to give Cinder a further edge. And not just for the above. Thanks to Roman's machinations in Volume 2, the Council has taken a large portion of power from Ozpin and gave it to Ironwood, and more alarmingly, to Cinder. It will eventually come to a head where Beacon faces its DarkestHour and Ironwood shows his true allegiance. |
| 407 | ** Or Cinder's virus was already in the school's system, as it was put there last season during the dance, and Ironwood connecting his scroll to Ozpin's desk which is part of the school's network allowed Cinder's virus to transfer to it and give her a new access point. |
| 408 | ** Ironwood is just a rube who needs to get a better Scroll password. |
| 409 | * Seems jossed. Ironwood really did just have his system hacked. |
| 410 | |
| 411 | [[WMG: The character arcs:]] |
| 412 | Vol. 1: ''Weiss'' gets over herself, ''Blake'' reveals her past with the White Fang, ''Jaune'' deals with the fallout from his transcripts being faked. |
| 413 | |
| 414 | Vol. 2: ''Blake'' learns that she can't do everything herself, ''Yang'' reveals that she almost got Ruby and herself killed, ''Pyrrha'' opens up and reveals that she was put on a pedestal. |
| 415 | |
| 416 | Vol. 3: ''Ruby'' learns that Qrow isn't the hero she thought, ''Weiss'' reveals her history with Winter, ''Nora'' stops being a StepfordSmiler (either becoming truly happy or expressing what she's hiding). |
| 417 | |
| 418 | Vol. 4: ''Yang'' finds something worth fighting for, ''Ruby'' reveals the circumstances of Summer's death, ''Ren'' grows somehow. |
| 419 | |
| 420 | [[WMG: What the crowd saw at the end of the Yang/Mercury fight was 'reality', what Yang saw was the illusion]] |
| 421 | Instead of trying to alter camera records and the view of everyone in attendence, instead the illusion was centered on Yang. She thought she was being attacked, but instead she fired on the unmoving Mercury, giving them damning evidence. |
| 422 | * Wait, there are people who think it is the other way around? How would that work? Sure, you could alter the camera feeds, but how would you make the crowd see what was on screen? |
| 423 | * The one illusionist (Neo) we've seen can create pretty large illusions (the one in Painting the Town was large enough to cover Neo and Roman's escape to an aircraft some distance away) that seem to have a solid element to them, so Neo's illusions probably aren't limited by the scale of the audience that can see them, but just the distance the illusion has to cover - meaning all she'd have to do is create an illusion ''around'' the arena as the fight ended and dispel it once the intended effect was achieved. This would also avoid complications, as the last time Yang punched an illusion, it shattered quite spectacularly, not to mention that making an illusion that only Yang could see would be incredibly complex to set up in a way that wouldn't be picked up in some manner by the cameras, either as a weird reflection or something else. |
| 424 | ** Yang's movements as the fight ends also don't entirely match up with what the replay shows, as we see her exiting the arena in a straight line before whipping around to defend herself, whilst in the replay she walks a curved path around Mercury before hitting him. Also if what Yang saw was the illusion, then the illusion would have to have been cast earlier in the fight for Mercury to be alongside her when she whips around, meaning the audience would've seen Yang randomly unloading moves at nothing for a good while towards the end. |
| 425 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed. The actual fight happened, and Emerald. who can manipulate people's perception, made Yang think that Mercury attacked her right at the very end. Also, Mercury's leg isn't really broken, Season 3 Episode 7 revealed that he has cybernetic legs.]] |
| 426 | ** [[spoiler: Debatable; the only time we definitely know Emerald uses an illusion, in episodes 4 and 7, is when she's close by the target, which she couldn't have been for Yang, as Yang and Merc were center stage. Additionally, from how we saw her illusions work, this would put Mercury at an unnecessary risk of genuine injury, as there's no guarantee that where Yang would attempt to hit the illusion is where Mercury's leg is going to be (and as mentioned above, the footage still doesn't line up). This, in addition to the significance given to Cinder's comment about Neo at the end of the ambulance scene, implies that Neo had some involvement in what went on on-stage (there's some build up and Neo isn't even hinted to be there until the end, if all she'd done was stolen the ambulance there'd be no need for that), which would put Mercury at less risk as well - her illusions are physical structures that would surround the stage, showing the world Mercury being attacked for no reason, while Mercury could ensure that Yang ''would'' hit him where she needs to by actually attacking her. Emerald's part in this plan seemed to be on the two medics (which is why she's there almost immediately), to make them see Mercury's bleeding knee until they can get him to the ambulance.]] |
| 427 | |
| 428 | [[WMG: The Identity of the Maidens is an Open Secret.]] |
| 429 | |
| 430 | This one is simple we were told basically straight out who they are. They take their season as part of their name, but due to the fact that the story is considered a fairy tail, no one would believe they are who they say they are even when introduced. This would of course mean that Winter Schnee is the Winter Maiden, Cinder Fall is the one who stole the Autumn Maiden's Powers (Her full name is probably Amber Fall or something like it), Summer Rose is the previous Summer Maiden. (Probably meaning that Ruby is the current one if Red Like Roses would imply that the person that Summer thought about was Ruby.) The only one we haven't seen is Spring. |
| 431 | |
| 432 | [[WMG: And the next Summer Maiden is...]] |
| 433 | |
| 434 | Yang. Yes, if we go by the guess that Summer Rose was the previous Summer Maiden, then Ruby as her biological daughter makes more sense... BUT! |
| 435 | |
| 436 | Yang has more sun motifs in my opinion--between the fire element, her golden hair, her sunny disposition... plus we've also been told that the powers of the maidens are straight up separate from semblance or dust ability. Yang has just [[spoiler:been "seen" to break the rules of engagement in a friendly tournament.]] It isn't beyond belief that some sort of punishment may be in order, such as confiscation of her dust weapons or some sort of power nullifier depending on how badly they take it, or how badly the situation spirals out of control. What if she assumes/awakens the mantle to power up? |
| 437 | ** Adding to this. Yang got it when Summer Rose died. Her last thought was...."Take Care of Ruby....*Yang*...." |
| 438 | |
| 439 | |
| 440 | [[WMG: The Callus old man from the four seasons story will be revealed to be ether the true villain of the series or at lest some kind of humanoid abomination.]] |
| 441 | |
| 442 | surprised no one is at all curious about the character in the supposablely true story about an old man who gives four women unimaginable magic powers. Something that no other character in the series apart from them have. |
| 443 | |
| 444 | Since the maidens themselves are real that likly means that: |
| 445 | |
| 446 | 1. this character is real as well. |
| 447 | |
| 448 | 2. this character was capable of empowering four people to be strong enough to basically become the embodiment of the season, and this is not likely human. |
| 449 | |
| 450 | 3.he likely possesses similar powers. |
| 451 | |
| 452 | 4.he may be still alive as he might not even be human- since human didn't have magic before him only dust. |
| 453 | |
| 454 | Someone like that would completely be capable of giving Cinder what she needs to steal a maiden's power, and would seem like the only character the cinder might work for. added to that roosterteeth seem to enjoy playing down the importance of character un till they reveille it. ex Cinder is season 1, Adam and Raven season 2. |
| 455 | |
| 456 | as for a motivation to have cinder steal the powers for him, and not say empowering cinder himself. well he might not have expected the maidens to pass down their powers when they died. He might have expected to get what he had given back eventually, if he really is a immortal of sorts then a few decades aren't so much to him. But however many hundreds of years since then might have worn down his patience. this might have made him more reluctant to empower Cinder in case she decided to take the power and run. |
| 457 | ** I was thinking the same thing, but I was honestly afraid to post anything because I felt like I might be ruining a big reveal if it was true. But since someone else has put this here anyway, I think I’ll go ahead and offer my thoughts on what his motivations might be. Like Ozpin and his group, the man from the story also knows that if the Maidens were ever revealed to the public, it would cause an uproar. He initially trusted that the Maidens would keep their promise to share their gifts with the people of Remnant, but now that they have to be kept a secret aside from a few individuals, there’s no real way for them to do so. As such, the once-callous old man has decided to take the powers back and let this legend stay a legend, for the sake of mankind. However, due to the precise set of rules to inherit the power, he cannot take these powers himself. Instead, he has to depend on a woman, and for whatever reason it may be, the only woman he can depend on is Cinder. |
| 458 | ** Alternatively, given the propensity for stories and fairy tails to change over time until they sometimes become almost completely different from their original versions, it's entirely possible that the "old man" of the story never actually gave those powers to the Maidens willingly. I find it most likely that the original Maidens actually ''stole'' their powers from him. Given that Cinder herself has shown that it's possible to forcefully steal the power from their current host, it's not such a stretch that the original Maidens did the same thing with the power's original host. Hence why Cinder's dialogue in referring to stealing Amber's power as "taking something back." |
| 459 | |
| 460 | [[WMG: The FinalBattle will take place on the Moon]] |
| 461 | There has to be a reason why its broken, as well as specifically mentioning that Dust doesn't work in space. Maybe our heroes will be flung from Remnant to the Moon somehow, forcing them to ditch their dust-based equipment and abilities, leading to a very basic and primal final battle to contrast the rest of the [[RuleOfCool series]]. It'll be like the finale of most [[VideoGame/MetalGear MGS]] games, which ditch the fancy guns and whatnot to have a FisticuffsBoss instead. |
| 462 | |
| 463 | [[WMG: The "wizard" who gave the original four maidens their powers was one of the silver-eyed warriors of legend.]] |
| 464 | * When [[spoiler:Ruby uses her power]] in End of the Beginning, the light coming from her eyes looks similar to when Amber and Cinder access the fall maiden power. It's possible that [[spoiler:Ruby's power]] is a more powerful version of that of the maidens, as hers hasn't been split four ways. The Four Maidens episode of World of Remnant seems to have been a telling of the fairy tale of the four maidens, rather than a literal account of actual events. Details may have been distorted as the story was passed down, hence why the wizard isn’t portrayed with silver eyes. This theory makes a lot more sense than taking the legend at face value, as while things like aura, dust, and the power of silver eyes are established in the world of RWBY, wizards and magic are not. It’s understandable that as the legend became distorted over time, an exceptionally powerful aura user might start to be remembered as someone with magical powers by people who wouldn’t yet know better. |
| 465 | |
| 466 | [[/folder]] |
| 467 | |
| 468 | [[folder:Volume 4]] |
| 469 | |
| 470 | [[WMG: Ruby has a plan for the dragon.]] |
| 471 | As noted in the trailer for the Volume 3 finale Ruby's got a plan. With the situation as bad as it is and Beacon for all intents and purposes being destroyed her plan will be appropriately over the top: she's going to ColonyDrop the entire Colosseum into Beacon in an attempt to destroy the attacking Grimm and the dragon that is spawning them. |
| 472 | |
| 473 | [[WMG: The title ''RWBY'' will become an ArtifactTitle as the story focuses on the real heroes of "Team RNJR"]] |
| 474 | In essence, Weiss, Blake, Yang and Pyrrha were {{Crutch Character}}s for Ruby, Jaune, Nora and Ren due to their distinct backgrounds. Now that they're out of the picture in some form, the story will focus on four underdogs who are way in over their heads trying to make the world a better place. |
| 475 | * Nope. Volume 4 has so far been covering all four members of Team RWBY, they're just no longer all together or doing the same thing. |
| 476 | |
| 477 | [[WMG: Each Volume corresponds to a Season.]] |
| 478 | Essentially, each Volume of the show reflects a different Season in tone. |
| 479 | * Volume 1 - Spring: A new beginning for our characters. Moving to a new place, meeting new people and encountering new challenges. |
| 480 | * Volume 2 - Summer: Generally a [[LighterAndSofter fun and easy time]]. Some bad things happen and are resolved without much difficulty, but there is a looming threat of worse to come. A recurring point brought up by Ozpin in the volume is to 'enjoy the good times you have, because they won't last forever'. |
| 481 | * Volume 3 - Autumn: Events start out nice and fun but eventually become [[DarkerAndEdgier dark and cold]]. 'Fall' is a recurring ArcWords for the volume; the name of the BigBad, the power that is being fought over by the heroes and villains, the Volumes AnimeThemeSong 'When It Falls' and a general tone of of the volume by the end. |
| 482 | * Volume 4, thus, will represent Winter: Events will be generally dark and cold, and things will not be easy for our heroes. Possibly a good chunk of the story will take place in Atlas, the northernmost Kingdom and the Winter Maiden may be an important plot point. |
| 483 | * Volume 5 in turn will go back to Spring: Likely focused on the [[PuttingTheBandBackTogether reforming of Team RWBY]], either the process or the aftereffects if they come together at the end of Volume 4. |
| 484 | |
| 485 | [[WMG: One of the Maidens will commit suicide.]] |
| 486 | They will do so either [[HeroicSacrifice to help a main cast member out of a desperate spot by transferring their powers]] or [[DefiantToTheEnd to stop a villain from stealing their powers]]. |
| 487 | |
| 488 | [[WMG: Volume 4 will have split storylines.]] |
| 489 | Since all the characters are split up--Team JNRR, Weiss back in Atlas, Blake running away, Yang out of commission, etc.--Volume 4 will likely have all sorts of split storylines to tell the story of each of the major characters. We're probably going to follow Team JNRR and their adventures to Haven, Weiss and her deciding if she wants to defy her father again and run away to find her friends, Blake hiding from Adam and the White Fang, and Yang getting her shit together and going after Ruby in Haven (or investigating Raven's whereabouts because she CLEARLY knows something everyone else doesn't). All plot lines will accumulate at the end into one big storyline, probably when everyone has to face the BigBad of Volume 4. We're also going to get at least some hints about Ozpin's whereabouts, what happened to Cinder, etc. and lots of character development and bonding. |
| 490 | * Seems confirmed. So far we have Team RNJR's journey, Weiss' familial conflict, Blake heading home to Menagerie, and Yang grappling with PTSD from the fall of Beacon. |
| 491 | |
| 492 | [[WMG: Salem would eventually learn about Ruby's silver eyes from Cinder, then she will try to make Ruby blind]] |
| 493 | Cinder has already witnessed what Ruby's silver eyes are capable of, and if she really is working for Salem the entire time, then Salem would eventually learn about it. We don't know much about her yet, but judging from her monologue, she doesn't seem to be the type of 'kill them all' villain, but rather 'make them suffer as long as possible first, then kill them' villain, so instead of trying to kill Ruby, she would try to render her silver eyes useless instead, and let her live until she wins. That is of course assuming the source of Ruby's secret power really come from her eyes, and not from inside her body and that the silver eyes only represented that she possesses that power. |
| 494 | * Jossed. As various future volumes confirm, Salem used to hunt down Silver-Eyed Warriors to kill them. However, she wants Ruby alive for reasons that only become clear in Volume 8. Cinder wants Ruby dead, and doesn't know why Salem wants her alive. |
| 495 | |
| 496 | [[WMG: Team RNJR will happen across Blake on their journey.]] |
| 497 | As noted on TheFriendsWhoNeverHang entry on the main tropes page, Ruby and Blake are the only members of Team RWBY that haven't had any shared experience. Not only would this fix that, but it would also be a great opportunity to explore the two characters and their differences. Blake is fearful, while Ruby is determined. Blake is plagued by self-doubt and can have a hard time trusting others, while Ruby never doubts herself or her friends for a second. Blake has become a drifter with no idea of where to go or what to do, while Ruby is on a mission with a set destination. Blake likely feels guilty for leaving her friends and won't easily be able to talk to them, while Ruby can look past it and just be happy to see her again. A discussion between Ruby and Blake about everything that happened in Volume 3, what's going on now, and what the future might hold would be an interesting way to highlight these differences, have some interaction between them, and potentially give Blake some CharacterDevelopment. |
| 498 | * Jossed. Team RNJR and Blake's storylines are happening in different parts of the world. Volume 5 confirms that they're not even happening in the same timeline. |
| 499 | |
| 500 | [[WMG: Volume 4 will have one or more flashback episodes.]] |
| 501 | During the RTX 2016 Q&A Ruby constantly avoids questions relating to the past, be it describing her training with Qrow or how she discovered her Semblance. It's pretty clear she wants to avoid spoilers. So naturally Volume 4 will dedicate an episode or two to Ruby's training under Qrow before the Dust shop incident, the same way that "Beginning of the End" showed us Cinder gathering her forces. |
| 502 | * Jossed. There is a flashback episode in Volume 4, but it details how Ren became an orphan and how he met Nora. |
| 503 | |
| 504 | [[WMG: There will only be four volumes. Volume 4 will be the last one of the series, or at least for this particular story arc.]] |
| 505 | Considering how central the number four is to the series (four lead characters, four-man teams, four seasons, four kingdoms, etc.), Volume 4 will be the [[GrandFinale biggest and last of the series]]. |
| 506 | * Jossed. During the Volume 3 livestream, the writers confirmed that Monty had 20 volumes worth of notes (plus notes for further shows after this one has ended), but how long the show really ends up being will depend entirely on how they structure each volume, and how much content goes into each one. Volume 4 was not the last volume of the show. |
| 507 | |
| 508 | [[WMG: Vol. 4 introduces the cowardly lion as another ally/agent of Ozpin.]] |
| 509 | Following the trend of Film/TheWizardOfOz characters being the powerful old guard of the series, there is a distinct lack of candidates for the Cowardly Lion's position. While Taiyang Xiao Long would tangentially fit (blonde hair, teammate of Qrow, another old guard), he doesn't have the right motifs (his name refers to dragons, not lions), and a Cowardly Lion in remnant would probably be a Faunus anyways. As such it's highly likely that we are going to be introduced to a powerful but passive lion Faunus in vol. 4, possibly as the headmaster of either Haven or Shade. |
| 510 | * Confirmed. The Volume 4 finale introduces Haven's headmaster as Professor Leo Lionheart. Earlier in the volume, Leo had already been confirmed to be one of Ozpin's closest friends. [[spoiler:The finale reveals he is TheMole for Salem, and Volume 5 reveals that he's a Lion Faunus and is in Salem's service because he's a DirtyCoward.]] |
| 511 | |
| 512 | [[WMG: Vol. 4 will involve GrayingMorality.]] |
| 513 | There is a lot we don't know about Cinder, Salem and their little revolution, and I mean like a ''lot'' of lot. It's not unreasonable to assume they're not as monstrous as they seem to be so far, and Ozpin and his little conspiracy might not be as white as they seem to be. There are hints to it already like Glynda saying "desperate times call for desperate measures", and Cinder while willing to go to ANY lengths to achieve her goals(whatever the goals are) doesn't seem to be wanting to kill when she doesn't have to. When infiltrating the tower in "Dance Dance Infiltration" she dealt with guards seemingly non-lethally and blink and you'll miss it but the White Fangs were still moving when she kicked their asses, even when she fought Pyrrha she didn't seem to be aiming for kill until Pyrrha asked about destiny(after all she only shot her heel after Pyrrha's aura broke). Those are small details, not enough to call any side of the story "grey", but details that are still present. Then there are songs like "Time to Say Goodbye" involving lines like "were we born to fight and die sacrificed for one huge lie? Are we heroes keeping peace or are we weapons pointed at the enemy so someone else can claim a victory", "Divide" which could be UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming or could be foreshadowing that Ozpin isn't exactly saint, and extremely ambiguous "Sacrifice". |
| 514 | |
| 515 | [[WMG: TheStinger of Vol. 2, in which Yang visits Raven Branwen in Beacon at night-time, will be explored again, as it wasn't touched on in Vol. 3.]] |
| 516 | It could have a OnceMoreWithClarity moment, as the scene could be repeated as a dream that Yang has, which will motivate her to snap out of her BrokenBird status after the events of Vol. 3. |
| 517 | |
| 518 | [[WMG: Penny will be repaired.]] |
| 519 | And join RNJR. Team RWBY will eventually regroup again, while Penny could fill Pyrrha's slot for JNPR team. |
| 520 | |
| 521 | |
| 522 | [[WMG: Church's SOS from Season 13 will reach Remnant.]] |
| 523 | Chances are RWBY and Red vs Blue will never have a proper crossover. But, just to tell fans that the shows co-exist, the SOS message will play at some point, with the video being distorted. Bonus if it plays when Ruby reaches her lowest point, and the SOS inspires her (which makes sense since Church and her dad share a voice actor), which somehow helps thwart the villains. As Tucker put it "We're the champs at fucking shit up!" |
| 524 | |
| 525 | [[WMG: Grimms will get infused with power of Fall Maiden.]] |
| 526 | In the volume 4 trailer shown at RXT panel ([[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVzx3iR_0bw here)]] Grimm Ruby is fighting have orange glow around their eyes, similar to one of Fall Maiden. Maybe part of plan, to make Grimm deadlier, is to infuse them with Maiden's magic? |
| 527 | * This appears to be ArtEvolution, as the show has moved to a new animation engine. |
| 528 | |
| 529 | [[WMG: Ruby got infused with the small amount of Fall Maiden power Pyrrha absorbed.]] |
| 530 | The last person Pyrrha saw was Ruby. |
| 531 | |
| 532 | [[WMG: There will be an arc dedicated to 'normal' human characters who are not strong enough to make use of the Aura effectively like Huntsmen do.]] |
| 533 | Maybe there will even be a new major character introduced who simply isn't strong enough to make use of the Aura, and the arc will focus on his or her perspective of how they live in a world full of huntsmen and monsters, and they will most likely be a GadgeteerGenius who can create tools or weapons that helped them reaching Huntsmen-level abilities in order to substitute their inability to use Aura effectively. If that person is an ally, then they will be instrumental in upgrading weapons for the good guys They might also even help build a brand new robotic arm for Yang and rebuild Penny. If that person is a villain, then perhaps they will be a BigBadEnsemble along with Cinder and Salem, who once has a tragic past that involved Huntsmen, or is jealous that they cannot become Huntsmen themselves. After the events of Volume 3, this person then lost faith in the Huntsmen (Cinder's propaganda speech back in [[Recap/RWBYV3E9PvP PvP]] also helps) and attempts to use their own cutting-edge weapons to take the Grimm matter into their own hands, maybe even trying to eradicate the Huntsmen themselves for reasons given above. Also, seeing that the main villains introduced seems to have accomplish everything they planned for so far, I think it'll be nice for us to have a VillainousUnderdog for a change. |
| 534 | |
| 535 | [[WMG: Once Yang is mentally back on shape...]] |
| 536 | She will made SelfDeprecation puns for her own condition, making all the joke regarding her arm as some sort of ascended fanon. |
| 537 | |
| 538 | [[WMG: Yang's Heroic BSOD will end with her defeating Neo]] |
| 539 | Because what better way to show her growth and show that she's back than having her defeat the one person who undisputably mopped the floor with her. |
| 540 | |
| 541 | [[WMG: Tyrian will succeed in capturing Ruby and Salem will have NoMrBondIExpectYouToDine scene with her]] |
| 542 | Let's face it, Salem wants Ruby alive for a reason. Cinder had already established herself as MagnificentBitch and Salem doesn't seem dumber than her underling, she wouldn't break EvilOverlordList point 78 for no reason. Remember point above about GrayingMorality? A good way to show that the bad guys aren't so bad would be to show their side of the story about conflict between Ozpin and Salem to one of the good guys in civilised manner. Bonus points if it will involve chocolate chip cookies. |
| 543 | ** Jossed so far. Tyrian fails to capture Ruby this volume, though Salem avoids the YouHaveFailedMe mistake and just expresses disappointment in him for failing, |
| 544 | |
| 545 | [[WMG: The reason why Summer Rose is a MissingMom to Ruby and Yang is because she met an [[AlmostDeadGuy Almost Dead Maiden]], which may or may not be related to the mission she never came back from, and will at some point require/provide backup from/to Team RNJR.]] |
| 546 | |
| 547 | Let's review what we know about Summer Rose and the Maidens. Summer Rose went on a mission and never came back, making her Missing In Action since they NeverFoundTheBody. She was, according to Yang, a dedicated and loving mother. According to Red Like Roses Part II, she "made a sacrifice but forced a bigger sacrifice on [Ruby]". Now, the Maidens' power transfer to a new host when the current host dies, and goes to the last person in the maiden's thoughts if that last person is a young women, to a random young woman otherwise. Maybe the maiden was attacked by someone or something, and Summer tried and failed to save her, in a similar fashion as the meeting between Team RNJR and the [[AlmostDeadGuy hunter explaining the demise of]] Xione village. Maybe Summer Rose's last mission was to be part of the escort detail for said maiden. Now, the existence of the maiden and their powers is kept secret. So Summer Rose would have to be placed in a WitnessProtection, only instead of being a witness, she would be a high value target for Salem and Team WTCH to steal those powers. |
| 548 | |
| 549 | [[WMG: Whitley is NOT a traitor]] |
| 550 | A lot of people expect Whitley to turn out to be evil, largely because [[OOCIsSeriousBusiness Weiss noted that he seemed different]] and [[UncannyValley he just seems kinda creepy]]. And Cinder and/or Salem definitely have a mole at Atlas, otherwise they probably wouldn't have been able to hack Ironwood's fleet so easily. From first impressions alone, Whitley seems like the obvious suspect. |
| 551 | |
| 552 | A little TOO obvious, in fact. |
| 553 | |
| 554 | Maybe that's what we're ''supposed'' to think, in order to throw us off the scent of the ''real'' traitor. Winter seems like a possible candidate- she's got General Ironwood's ear, and unlike Whitley, she has a reason to resent the way things are now (because of her father). And these are, after all, the same writers who gave us [[WebAnimation/RedVsBlue Fe]][[FalseFriend lix]]. |
| 555 | ** He doesn't seem to be a mole for Salem, however [[spoiler: he is most certainly not on Weiss's side when it comes to dealing with their father.]] |
| 556 | |
| 557 | [[WMG: The mark found in Shion Village]] |
| 558 | The circular symbol Ren and Nora discovered in Shion Village is actually a hoofprint. A great and terrible Grimm, old and powerful, joined the attack in Shion Village. It's also a Grimm that robbed something great from both Ren and Nora. The Grimm itself will likely be modeled after some kind of [[HellishHorse Horse]] or [[BrutishBulls Bull]]. |
| 559 | ** Confirmed to be a Grimm known as Nuckelavee, with horse-like features and a HUMAN part that has horns. |
| 560 | |
| 561 | [[WMG: Whitley hates Jacques as much as Weiss and Winter do.]] |
| 562 | The difference is that Whitley decides to play along with his father instead of rebelling against him, both to avoid the abuse that would result, and to make Jacques think he's loyal enough to inherit the company. |
| 563 | * Confirmed. Volume 7 confirms he's trapped by both parents and therefore forced to conform to Jacques' desires. As soon as he's out from under Jacques' thumb in Volume 8, he becomes an extremely useful ally of the heroes. |
| 564 | |
| 565 | [[WMG: The symbol found in Shion is the calling card of one of Salem's faction members.]] |
| 566 | And it will turn out that said member killed Ren's parents and/or caretakers from before he met Nora. |
| 567 | * Jossed. It's a hoofprint left behind by the Nuckelavee Grimm. |
| 568 | |
| 569 | [[WMG: Either way, the symbol in Shion is related to Ren and Nora's pasts.]] |
| 570 | It seems fairly obvious that they're both having a less-than-objective reaction to seeing it. Whether it's a hoofprint or a bandit crest it probably has ''something'' to do with how they lost their families, if whoever the mark belongs to isn't directly responsible for their deaths. |
| 571 | * Confirmed. [[spoiler:Ren was orphaned by the Nuckelavee attacking Kuroyuri, an attack both Ren and Nora survived.]] |
| 572 | |
| 573 | [[WMG: Raven murdered Ren's parents.]] |
| 574 | At the very least her tribe is responsible for it and Nora is aware of it though wasn't involved. She seems to be from a different region than Ren going by their over all attire and naming so likely not present when he encountered Raven and co. |
| 575 | * {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler:They were killed in a Grimm attack.]] |
| 576 | |
| 577 | [[WMG: Raven's tribe will be slaughtered by Salem.]] |
| 578 | While Raven is aware of Salem. she seems to be keeping out of the fight against her. However, at some point Salem will get angry with the bandit tribe and kill them all. As for the motive, one possibility is that she'll save Ruby for some reason and, because no one save the villains knows that Ruby is Salem's primary target, will incur Salem's wrath. Another possibility is that Raven will reveal Salem's existence to Ruby. Salem's plans rely on the public being unaware of her existence, which Ozpin and his group preserve to prevent a panic, and if someone's going around doing otherwise than there's a risk that humanity would unite. As a bonus, as Raven gets more screen-time, she'll be fleshed out more and become more sympathetic. |
| 579 | * Jossed. Qrow tells Team RNJR about Salem. While Salem does threaten the tribe to obtain something Raven has that she wants, Raven scatters the tribe and temporarily joins Cinder's team just long enough to steal the Relic from Cinder. [[spoiler:However, she hands the Relic to Yang after Yang confronts her about her cowardice.]] |
| 580 | |
| 581 | [[WMG: Ghira is not going to make it to the end of series]] |
| 582 | If not the end of the volume. Not only is he Blake's father, he's the previous peaceful leader of the White Fang AND the leader of Menagerie. His death would be a huge morale blow and could lead to two possibilities: The Faunus on Menagerie pledge their allegiance to the White Fang out of fear, or it fully turns them against the White Fang. |
| 583 | * Jossed. An assassination attempt on Ghira's life in Volume 5 rallies Menagerie against the White Fang, and by the first episode of Volume 6, the organisation is no more. Ghira decides to start a brand new organisation in Volume 6. |
| 584 | |
| 585 | [[WMG: Shit's about to go down.]] |
| 586 | Much like "Fall" in Volume 3, episode 6 will cause the JustForFun/HolyShitQuotient to go through the roof. And as of episode 5, [[spoiler: Adam knows where Blake is, Tyrian is in Higanbana and close to Ruby, Yang is training to fight people, and we may finally get some clarity as to just what the hell this relic is.]] And judging by Raven's concern over Salem having it... It can be ''nothing'' good. |
| 587 | * Confirmed. Episode 6 was called "Tipping Point" and focussed on Tyrian catching up to Team RNJR, forcing Qrow to intervene to save them, and Weiss lost control of her Semblance in public, almost getting someone killed, resulting in her father disinheriting and imprisoning her. The rest of the volume ends up having much higher stakes from this point on. |
| 588 | |
| 589 | [[WMG: Ghira was ousted as the leader of the White Fang]] |
| 590 | As the extremists began to take hold within the higher ranks of the White Fang, their propaganda and deception tactics became more extreme. So they formulated a plan: a secret smear campaign against Ghira. This leads to his ouster, which would be sanitized in the media as a resignation. This also explains why Blake had to run away from the organization altogether -- the reputation of her father was disgraced. |
| 591 | |
| 592 | [[WMG: Salem's direct servants are enhanced by supernatural means.]] |
| 593 | If Cinder and Tyrian are any example to go by, her direct followers are extremely powerful in their own right. Cinder could be enhanced with Grimm in some way, while the others could be empowered by other means (Tyrian could be enhanced in a way relating to [[spoiler: faunus]], Hazel could be enhanced through his aura's link to his body, and Watts could have a special way with weaponry in his brain). |
| 594 | |
| 595 | [[WMG: Whitley will poison Jacques to inherit the SDC more quickly.]] |
| 596 | With Weiss now having her heiress status revoked by her father, and Whitley being next in line to inherit the Schnee Dust Company, Whitley might get overambitious and arrange his father's death. |
| 597 | * And then frame Weiss for it, leaving him completely uncontested as the sole heir of the SDC. |
| 598 | ** Alternatively, Whitley will leave Weiss alone to rub his victory in her face. He's already shown he's arrogant enough to brag about his achievements. |
| 599 | |
| 600 | [[WMG: The volume will end with an invasion of Haven Academy]] |
| 601 | Only this time Team RNJR and the rest of Team RWBY's presence will turn it into an overwhelming defeat for Salem's faction. Some ways this might go: |
| 602 | * Because of Salem's confirmed interest in Ruby, Qrow will contact Ironwood to come to Haven and he will bring Weiss, Yang, and Taiyang with him. |
| 603 | * Capturing Tyrian will cause the White Fang to plan an attack on Haven, which will result Blake, Sun, and Blake's parents arriving at Haven to warn them and to help. |
| 604 | * Ironwood will use new Atlesian technology on Tyrian to read his mind and discover Salem's plans. |
| 605 | * During the invasion Raven will appear with the bandit tribe for a BigDamnHeroes moment and lead the fight against the White Fang. |
| 606 | * Possible matchups: |
| 607 | ** Yang vs Adam to get even with him for cutting her arm off and hurting Blake. |
| 608 | ** Blake vs Adam, where she finally tells him off for his madness and gets even with him for everything he's done. |
| 609 | ** Taiyang vs Adam where Tai delivers a CurbStompBattle for Adam maiming his daughter. |
| 610 | ** Qrow vs Adam, same deal as Taiyang. |
| 611 | ** Ironwood vs Watts because Watts is the one that created the virus that enabled so many of Cinders plans. |
| 612 | ** Taiyang vs Hazel because Hazel is the one who killed Summer. |
| 613 | ** Qrow vs Sienna Kahn because of Qrow's fight with Tyrian. |
| 614 | ** Ghira vs Sienna Kahn because of Ghira finding out what the White Fang have been up to since he stepped down. |
| 615 | ** Raven vs Sienna Kahn because of the latter trying to attack Qrow because of his fight with Tyrian. |
| 616 | ** Weiss vs Emerald where Weiss will master summoning, which will give her victory because Emerald's semblance won't work on the summoned creatures. |
| 617 | ** Yang vs Mercury to get even for the tournament. |
| 618 | ** The Grimm that wiped out Oniyuri will be drawn to the conflict, just as the Grimm Dragon was drawn to Beacon. |
| 619 | |
| 620 | [[WMG: The final two episodes will be Team RNJR vs. the Nuckelavee Grimm, and Blake vs. Adam]] |
| 621 | And hopefully they'll squeeze in Weiss leaving Atlas and Yang and Taiyang setting off after Ruby. |
| 622 | * Mostly Confirmed. Taiyang never leaves Patch and Blake doesn't confront Adam until the end of Volume 5. However, the rest happens. |
| 623 | |
| 624 | [[WMG: Oscar will meet Team RNJR and go to Haven Academy with them.]] |
| 625 | Ozpin is urging Oscar to go there but even if he gives in, he still has to go through places teeming with Grimm to make it. Oscar doesn't seem to have any combat training (unless he's been practicing with his farm tools) nor can he be using the powers Ozpin had (yet). RNJR is already traveling through Mistral, so there's a chance that they'll stumble upon the farm and Ozpin will make an even bigger push to get him going. |
| 626 | * Oscar travels to Mistral by train and encounters nothing untoward save for bumping into Hazel, who helps him get a train ticket. He meets Team RNJR at the beginning of Volume 5, and they do end up travelling to Haven Academy together later in Volume 5, after Weiss and Yang have also joined them. |
| 627 | |
| 628 | [[WMG: Oscar will develop a crush on Ruby]] |
| 629 | Once they inevitably meet Oscar will be smitten with the young Huntress. Her influence will help him come to terms with having Ozpin in his head and lead him to embracing his role. The scenario will be PlayedForLaughs with Ruby being oblivious to his obvious attempts at flirting with her or meeting an overprotective Taiyang and PlayedForDrama with him using his developing powers to show off only to wind up hurting her by mistake. |
| 630 | |
| 631 | [[WMG: The White Fang Sun saw was Adam]] |
| 632 | That's more me trying to be genre savvy than anything that show implies, but if Blake threw away Sun's scroll without looking at the photo then it probably means looking at the photo would've spared everyone a lot of headaches in the future. Sun never met Adam, so he doesn't know just how significant that person is, and doesn't know his name, so he couldn't just tell Blake who is this guy. And if Blake didn't know who is the white fang in question, then wha's the point of not looking at the photo? |
| 633 | |
| 634 | [[WMG:Volume 4 is not being told in chronological order]] |
| 635 | The show wants the viewer to believe that all stories are taking place six months after the fall of Beacon, but actually each of the plotlines the show follows (except for Salem's and possibly Oscar's) all take places before what is currently happening with Ruby, justifying a reunion of them all during the finale in Haven. |
| 636 | * Chronology is confirmed in Volume 5; Blake's storyline is one month behind Ruby's. |
| 637 | |
| 638 | [[WMG:Oscar will get powers during the battle of Haven]] |
| 639 | He will fight against Hazel and turn out to have Ozpin's BarrierWarrior powers. |
| 640 | * Jossed. But he does manifest the BarrierWarrior powers at the end of Volume 7. |
| 641 | |
| 642 | [[WMG:Jacques will try to have Ironwood assassinated.]] |
| 643 | Given that Ironwood has closed Atlas' borders (which will cost the SDC millions in lost profits), and given Jacques' "let nothing stand in my way" attitude, it's very possible that he might hire someone to try and kill Ironwood. This will be a definite if Jacques thinks Ironwood had a hand in Weiss' escape. |
| 644 | |
| 645 | [[WMG: There is something off about Qrow's story.]] |
| 646 | Qrow's story about the two brothers who created the world explains that the second brother created the Grimm as the ultimate enemy of all living things...which is interesting...save for one ''major'' inconsistency. If we go all the way back to the WOR episode, ''Grimm'', all the way back in Volume 2 (narrated by Salem no less), we have an explicit statement that the Grimm specifically target and attack humans (and presumably faunus) and that their only conflicts with various animals are largely territorial in nature. This flies completely in the face of Qrow's story about the two brothers, which means one of two things. Either the story is inaccurate in some fashion, having been changed as it was passed down and retold throughout the ages, which, when it comes to legends, is something that happens a lot in real life. The other possibility is that this is an accurate story of where the Grimm came from and something about ''them'' changed over the course of time. |
| 647 | [[/folder]] |
| 648 | |
| 649 | [[folder:Volume 5]] |
| 650 | [[WMG:Ruby and Cinder will fight again]] |
| 651 | At the climax of the season. Salem's followers are going to keep focusing on capturing Ruby, while she starts learning how to use her powers given by the silver eyes, or wherever they come from. Paralleling this we see Cinder learning how to use her powers as one of the maidens. After Salem has enough of the failed attempts bring her Ruby, she will send Cinder back after her. Cinder will by this point do some massive KickTheDog in response to the possible sympathy drawn up for her. |
| 652 | Also Cinder will become a SilentSnarker, getting some payback at the other villains for mocking her. |
| 653 | * Mostly Jossed, Cinder is being sent off to find the Spring Maiden and has regained the ability to speak. Cinder has however reminded us of her villainy prompted Salem to give her some reminders on how [[PragmaticVillainy keeping people alive is useful]] and not pulling a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness. |
| 654 | * Somewhat confirmed on the payback part. She retaliates to Watts' taunting in ''Dread In The Air'' and burns his hand with her Maiden powers after [[JerkassHasAPoint he chides her for letting her grudge with Ruby get in the way of their mission]]. |
| 655 | |
| 656 | [[WMG:There will be plenty of foreshadowing for a serious confrontation with Jaune and Cinder, [[{{Fauxshadowing}} but it will be subverted at the last minute.]]]] |
| 657 | What could happen is that plenty of hints will be dropped about Jaune wanting to murder Cinder, as she [[spoiler:killed Pyrhha, someone he loved]]. However, when Jaune finally encounters her, he may be knocked out by Ruby at the last second, with her deciding not to let Jaune suffer the burden of taking a life, deciding to end Cinder herself. "Remembrance" contained her having nightmares about arriving too late to save [[spoiler:Pyrhha]], so she may feel truly responsible, and hence, have a greater need to end Cinder's life than Jaune. |
| 658 | |
| 659 | [[WMG:Adam Taurus will serve as the biggest immediate threat for most of the season]] |
| 660 | At the moment Salem only seems to be focusing on just setting up for another plan, so the biggest danger will be Adam become the leader of the entirety of the White Fang. |
| 661 | * Since the heroes need to be given some victories, Yang will meet Blake and Sun and their arc will eventually lead to them killing Adam, since Yang's song was hinting she was going to find Blake and kill Adam. Killing him won't stop the activities of his branch of White Fang, but it will likely cause them to break off from working with Salem since they were listening to Adam, not her. |
| 662 | * Jossed. Adam took leadership of the White Fang in the second episode, and Salem appears to be keeping him on a leash until she finds the Spring Maiden. |
| 663 | |
| 664 | [[WMG: Oscar will join Team JNPR as the new P.]] |
| 665 | Given that Oscar's last name is Pine (and that last names are used to make team names, like Sky Lark of CRDL and May Zedong of BRNZ) and that he's got [[spoiler:Ozpin's [[LegacyWeapon cane]]]], he seems to be a likely candidate for Pyrrha's replacement. |
| 666 | * More evidence to this theory is that Oscar would be based on the character of Ozma. Ozma was first introduced in the orginal book series as a boy named Tip who got an involuntary sex-change by the Wicked Witch of the North to keep her from ascending as the rightful ruler of Oz. Ozma succeeded the wizard's rule just as Oscar is the successor of Ozpin's legacy. It fits with JNPR's theme cross-dressing mythological heroes. |
| 667 | |
| 668 | |
| 669 | [[WMG:There will be a BreatherEpisode that revolves around a dinner in Haven Academy.]] |
| 670 | All of team RWBY, [[spoiler:the remnants of]] team JNPR, Qrow, Sun, Blake's parents and Professor Lionheart could be there. And that episode will be a very humorous and heartwarming episode overall, in the same tone of the dinner sequence in ''Film/{{Logan}}'', which was a happy scene in an otherwise grim film. Although it may seem out of place for a show like ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'', it can establish the high stakes that the heroes are fighting for, for themselves and others, before the villains initiate attacks on Haven Academy. It can also detail Lionheart [[spoiler:learning more about the heroes for blackmail plans, as he is working for Salem]]. This can lead to... |
| 671 | * Partially jossed. A breather half-episode occurs in the house Team RNJR are staying at, involving a reunion meal with Team RNJR, Weiss and Yang, but no-one else. Everyone gets back to business when Qrow and Oscar arrive. |
| 672 | |
| 673 | [[WMG:More than one ship will be confirmed with a FirstKiss, or any other declaration before the Haven Academy invasion.]] |
| 674 | Among with all the potential shit that could erupt in Mistral, the other quiet moments may create true developments for multiple characters, from platonic to romantic. Potential confirmations include: |
| 675 | * Ruby and Jaune. From Ruby and Jaune having the same grief from [[spoiler:losing Pyrhha]], to Jaune's RousingSpeech for Ruby in "Kuroyuri." It not only shows Jaune's growth as a team leader putting his friends first but it reinforces how emotionally close and dependent on one another they've become making a first kiss all the more likely. Bonus points if Jaune feels guilt for moving on from Pyrrha and Ruby's survival guilt rears its ugly head. |
| 676 | * Ren and Nora. "No Safe Haven" slightly leaned towards this, but it may be definitely confirmed in this Volume. |
| 677 | * Blake and Sun. Blake is already recovering from her post-Volume 3 guilt, and Sun and her are headed off to the same conflict, so... |
| 678 | * Blake and Yang. |
| 679 | * Bonus points if there are DidTheyOrDidntThey moments, as RWBY is clearly getting more adult and mature... |
| 680 | |
| 681 | [[WMG:The body count in this volume will be higher than Volume 3's.]] |
| 682 | Three people died in Volume 3 ([[spoiler:Torchwick, Penny and Pyrhha]]), and [[spoiler:no one of significant importance]] died in Volume 4, so it may escalate in the worst way. [[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor As a bonus, it may also satisfy and horrify Volume 4 haters, who complained about]] [[spoiler:[[BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor the low stakes and the minimal amount of death]]]]. Possible candidates include: |
| 683 | * Ghira, and/or Kali. Probably in a HeroicSacrifice, or a simple quick murder by Adam. |
| 684 | * Adam. By Blake or Yang. |
| 685 | * Qrow. [[MentorOccupationalHazard Mentors usually have a very short life expectancy...]] |
| 686 | * One of Salem's assistants. Maybe Tyrian, as he is just insane. |
| 687 | * Someone on team RNJR, possibly either Ren or Nora, as they had the bulk of their CharacterDevelopment occur in Volume 4. |
| 688 | * Sun. |
| 689 | * A teacher in Beacon, like Port, Glynda or Oobleck. |
| 690 | |
| 691 | [[WMG: Oscar will fall in love with Ruby, and it will become a critical to the storyline]] |
| 692 | It’s not just a coincidence that Ozpin’s personality just HAPPENED to end up in a boy close to Ruby’s age (at least from the writer’s standpoint). Oscar is going to go through an IdentityBreakdown with everyone seeing him as Ozpin and his refusal to fully submit to the identity. Ruby will be the only one to reassure Oscar that he’s not Ozpin, he’s Oscar Pine, and it will not be unlike Ruby seeing past Penny’s robotics to know she has a soul. This will cause Oscar to fall in love with her “simple and honest soul” which will drive Salem to hunt Ruby to destroy his “faith” in humanity and leave her age-old enemy broken. |
| 693 | |
| 694 | [[WMG:Volume 5 will end on a cliffhanger.]] |
| 695 | Given the last few volumes this is starting to become routine. |
| 696 | |
| 697 | [[WMG:There will be a subplot where a MacGuffin (possibly the Creation relic) is discovered, which has the power to resurrect only '''one''' person.]] |
| 698 | And it will be a choice between Pyrrha or Qrow after his bad luck finally catches up with him personally. This will put Jaune and Ruby into conflict dividing them in a way that furthers Salem's plans. |
| 699 | * A sadder alternative could be that Jaune finds this, after getting together with Ruby. Since he knows that this could bring back Pyrhha, he may neglect to tell everyone else about it, for fear of straining his relationship with Ruby. Later on, Ruby may end up '''dying''' by Salem or another of her goons. In her last words, she can reveal that she knew Jaune had this MacGuffin all along, and encourages him to bring back Pyrhha, to make Jaune happy. He instead uses it to bring back Ruby herself, as he believes that Pyrhha would want him to move on from her death, and find someone who loved him like she did. |
| 700 | ** This would be really, really tearjerking if it happens. Bonus point if it shows that he had finally moved on after it. Bonus more point if they... did it after the mess. |
| 701 | |
| 702 | [[WMG: Based on the above, if the relics can resurrect people...]] |
| 703 | We still don't know what relic was at Beacon. If it's knowledge, Salem could use it to see for herself what happened the night Beacon fell and realize that Pyhrra's death was a huge blow to Ruby and Jaune. She could use it in tandem with the Creation relic to put Ruby and/or Jaune in a SadisticChoice: If Ruby surrenders, she'll use the relics to revive Pyrrha. In fact, if it's Jaune who's faced with this decision even he could point out that the relics would allow Salem to simply copy Pyhrra before Salem counters that, copy or not, it would still be an innocent life that Jaune's gambling with, not unlike Ozpin: if Jaune doesn't go along, he'd be condemning an innocent girl to death. Of course, even if Pyrrha comes back, it'll be PlayedForDrama: is this really the same Pyrrha, or did the relics just copy Pyrrha? |
| 704 | |
| 705 | [[WMG:Dust or rather the lack of it might be a plot point whether in this volume or future volume]] |
| 706 | This kinda happened with Roman stealing all of the Dust in volume 2 and Ironwood did enacted the embargo on dust imports in Volume 4. |
| 707 | * There is a possibility of the Dust mines drying up at an inconvenient time we might end up seeing the characters fight melee mode only. |
| 708 | |
| 709 | [[WMG:If Adam Taurus is going after everything Blake loves then who is protecting her parents? ]] |
| 710 | At the end of Volume 4 her parents did suggest that she go to Haven Accademy to deal with Adam which means leaving Menagerie. |
| 711 | * Then again a bodyguard might be redundant as [[BodyguardingABadass this]] may ensue. |
| 712 | ** Also he might focus more on his extremism. |
| 713 | |
| 714 | [[WMG: Salem will try to use the Knowledge Relic to give all Grimm Sentience]] |
| 715 | While we know that older Grimm gain intelligence so as to become better killers, even the most "Intelligent" of them (the Nuckelavee for one) still don't seem to come anywhere near that of Human intelligence, their main strategy is still ZergRush, and even that is only one in a thousand who live long enough to reach that level. The Knowledge Relic could give them the ability to act with strategy, working in groups, and setting traps, and better yet, it coould do this ''en masse''. |
| 716 | * Even better would be if this caused some of the newly sentient Grimm to do HeelFaceTurn thanks to their new intelligence. |
| 717 | |
| 718 | [[WMG:Whitley will have Jacques arrested to secure his succession to CEO of the SDC.]] |
| 719 | He's not above screwing over family members for his own gain and might see it as a form of respect. He'll do it by doing nothing more than leaking every illegal act that Jacques has done since becoming CEO. |
| 720 | |
| 721 | [[WMG:Raven and Yang will finally reunite this volume.]] |
| 722 | While Raven would initially be on the fence about Yang, she would eventually warm up to her. The catalyst to this would be less heartwarming: finding out that Qrow's pulled Ruby into his little crusade, and that uncle and niece alike haven't mentioned everything about Cinder's goons: that one is a cyborg (Qrow saw Mercury's legs) and one casts illusions (Ruby spotted Emerald). The fact that Qrow kept all this from Yang, meaning he basically wrote Yang off too despite his insistence that Raven see her, will cause Raven to disown her brother and take Yang under her wing. While her tutelage will be BrutalHonesty, she will answer all of Yang's questions. |
| 723 | ** Alternatively Yang abandons Raven when she learns more about her mother, especially that she could have stepped in and saved her from losing her arm and didn't because of her [[TheSocialDarwinist Social Darwinism]]. |
| 724 | |
| 725 | [[WMG: Professor Lionheart is a RedHerring for the identity of Salem's informant.]] |
| 726 | Note that all we see is an outfit at the end of Volume 4, his face hidden. That could still be Lionheart in that scene, but it could hint that he isn't ''actually'' what it makes him out to be. Doctor Watts's line could be construed as him pretending he isn't part of Salem's faction and manipulating Lionheart into thinking he's an ally. The true informant will be a character we've known much longer, who no one seriously even thought of looking at for one reason or another. Perhaps an friend of the team is actually EvilAllAlong, and playing the long con to get information for Salem. The show could make is ''seem'' like it is Lionheart throughout Volume 5, but will then give us TheReveal of the real hidden enemy. |
| 727 | * Jossed, though he doesn't seem to be a willing informant for Salem. |
| 728 | |
| 729 | [[WMG: Shit's hitting the fan in vol 05.]] |
| 730 | |
| 731 | Alternate title, a recipe for tragedy. |
| 732 | |
| 733 | * Vol 04 have us the Belladonna family (and Sun) enrout to Mistral, to 'take back the Fang.' Yet we know that the loyalty of a good chunk of the organization is loyal to Adam, and not Ghira. (ex. A: the twin faunus brothers, lying to their ex-leader in his face and plots to report everything to Adam. Ex. B: Illya, a WF member close enough to gain Blake's trust is on Adam's side. May change. And ex. C: the WF hardliners in vol 02, 3 and how they so happily shout 'kill all humans/traitors.' Aka radical nuts.) This means that 'taking back the Fang' would not be so easy as to simply walk there and talk some sense into the hardliners. |
| 734 | ** To make it worse, we have the upcoming WF hardliners' coup: when that goes down, whom do you think the Mistrali defense force (or any similar organization) would target? A 'Captain' of, alledgedly by the WF, its hardliner movement, or its (ex-)frickin' leader? Combining that with the growing distrust and annimosity toward Faunus and especially the WF movement, the Mistral Council would most likely go for the 'big' prize. |
| 735 | *** To make things even worse, remember Lionhart. You know... the one with Dr. Watts whispering into his ears? Even if he was not truly on Salem's side (as the 'fooled' WMG above), his position merits great weight in the Mistrali Council, if we can deduct that from Ozpin's own. And as the control of the Haven Hunters, he might simply ought to not wait for the Council's decision on whom to go after. And even if they don't, Adam sure would... |
| 736 | *** Ghira would be dead, Kali would be dead, maybe even Blake, with Yang arriving a single second too late. And to add in the tearjerking, a heel-face turn too late by Illya, failing to prevent all this to begin with. |
| 737 | * Tyrian returns. He's a scorpion. Remember whose character is inspired by a God that died in a mutual kill with a great poisonous beast? (It was a sea serpent, admittedly.) |
| 738 | ** Even if Nora does not die, Tyrian is out for blood. And there is no guaranteeing this time Qrow would be there, so either JNRR must defeat him themselves and prove that they'd grown/progressed... or they lose. |
| 739 | * Qrow's a mentor. Mentors have high death-expectency. |
| 740 | ** As an experienced webweaver as he were, he ought to smell something fishy with Lionhart. As to not drag anyone 'unnecessary' into it... he might ought to go and confront Lionhart alone... This is supported by his deep distrust of the Council, hence he wouldn't simply expose Lionhart out (to whom without blowing the Conspiracy out?) |
| 741 | * Cinder would master her power, and go to Mistral to reap her next Maiden. Or at least, make the maiden comes to her. (Repeat of Vale.) |
| 742 | ** OR, she could be trying to secure the Mistrali Artifact, which was presumed to be the Artifact of Life. Maybe, only with that can she fully master her stolen maiden power and stabilize her own soul. |
| 743 | *** AND, she would enter the Vault as Qrow and Lionhart was showing off. A three-way battle ensues, and Qrow shows us his real power and badassery. Or Lionhart does. Or Cinder. |
| 744 | * Raven is not as she seems: maybe the 'tribe of bandits' might not be so much as that, but her own faction. Kinda like how the WF in vol 01 and 02 resorts to Dust robbery to fuel their war effort. In World of Remnant, it was said that the Council was throughly corrupted and decadent, often ignoring the needs of the 'lower class citizens.' Maybr Raven's tribe is a group of individuals trying to overthrow the corrupted Mistral Council, and seeking for a chance... a chance that might comes from the Uprising by Adam Taurus. |
| 745 | ** Raven seems to have her own plan in this game. Maybe, as Qrow, Cinder and Lionhart was duking it out, Raven would comes in. But not as reinforcement. |
| 746 | *** Somehow, Raven gives me a Lady Maria vibe with her blood-red katana... |
| 747 | |
| 748 | And like a House of Cards, it all crumbles down. |
| 749 | [[WMG: Adam will kill Jacques Schnee.]] |
| 750 | And [[BreakTheHaughty Whitley will have to beg]] Weiss for help in getting back at Adam. |
| 751 | |
| 752 | [[WMG:Raven won't play a huge role in Volume 5, [[CoversAlwaysLie despite the Volume 5 poster having her on it]].]] |
| 753 | Miles Luna and Kerry Shawcross would want to maintain the suspense of her character. |
| 754 | * {{Jossed}}. [[spoiler: She's featured in the Volume 5 opening, [[WordOfGod has been confirmed to play a role]], and in her first appearance she TAKES AN INJURED WEISS CAPTIVE BY FORCE FOLLOWING AN AIRSHIP CRASH!]] |
| 755 | |
| 756 | [[WMG:Ruby will emotionally break down over a traumatic event or death in this Volume.]] |
| 757 | As a result, this could descend into her expressing her full and complete grief post-Volume 3 as well. This moment can make people who were disappointed at Ruby not expressing any grief in Volume 4 both pleased and sorry for themselves for wanting this to happen. But we can only hope. Emphasis on "hope". |
| 758 | |
| 759 | [[WMG:Team RWBY will reunite at the end of the volume.]] |
| 760 | Angst and joy abound. |
| 761 | |
| 762 | [[WMG:Volume 5 will end in the happiest way.]] |
| 763 | Interviews have stated repeatedly that this Volume is more about hope, and doing the right thing. So, team RWBY, and all of Mistral's forces, can beat the White Fang, and no one on the good guys' side will die or be mortally wounded. |
| 764 | |
| 765 | [[WMG:One of the relics will be used by the end of the volume, likely by a hero]] |
| 766 | The show has been talking about how bad it would be if Salem got a hold of the relics, and how dangerous Cinder is with the Fall Maiden powers, but actual showings suggest otherwise. Amber was beaten by a three fighter squad and that Salem would send Tyrian to capture the Spring Maiden suggests even an experienced Maiden can be bested by the right opponent. Even Cinder's two battles at full strength are open for debate: Ozpin was off-screen and Pyrrha was too big of a power gap. Since this volume is supposed to be about hope, see the above WMG, a Relic will be put to use, the result depending on which one is used: |
| 767 | * Creation: Make monsters that counter the Grimm by protecting people and feed off positive emotions. |
| 768 | * Destruction: Destroy the Grimm, taking away Salem's minions. |
| 769 | * Freewill: Change the perception of human and faunus alike, freeing them of their mutual indoctrination and hatred so that they can treat each other with a clear mind. |
| 770 | * Knowledge: Make everyone aware of Salem and where she's hiding. |
| 771 | |
| 772 | [[WMG: Ghira will sacrifice himself to save Sun.]] |
| 773 | Ilia warns Blake that she needs to leave Menagerie, and that she's likely going to suffer somehow if she doesn't. It seems likely then that Adam's people will try to assassinate either her or someone she cares about. My guess is that they're going to try and kill Sun, but Ghira will take the bullet for him. |
| 774 | * This theory gains ''further'' traction when Adam orders the Albain brothers to kill Ghira and Kali while Ilia lures Blake away from her home. |
| 775 | [[WMG: Qrow will fight Raven over the spring maiden.]] |
| 776 | |
| 777 | [[WMG: Weiss will break out her imprisonment at Raven's tribe, either with Yang's help, or by using her knight summon as a [[InstantAwesomeJustAddMecha mecha]]]] |
| 778 | * Completely confirmed. |
| 779 | |
| 780 | [[WMG: The Spring Maiden will be revealed to be DeadAllAlong and her murderer is Raven Branwen.]] |
| 781 | We know about the circumstances surrounding The Spring Maiden's disappearance and we know that Raven is a SocialDarwinist, those SocialDarwinist ideas could have led to Raven murdering the inexperienced Maiden on their first meeting to gain her powers. The setup for Raven being a total scumbag has already been happening since Volume 4, this Reveal could act as the final nail in the coffin to show how truly monsterous Raven is. Also, it gives Raven a reason to be killed off by either the heroes (who could decide that she is too much of a threat) or the villains (who want the Spring Maiden's powers.) |
| 782 | * Confirmed. When Spring ran away a decade ago, Raven's tribe took her in. Although Raven tried to train her, she concluded Spring wasn't cut out for this world and killed her. Now, the tribemember Vernal is the Spring Maiden that everyone is after. [[spoiler:Except Vernal is a decoy. When Raven killed Spring, Spring's powers passed to her, not Vernal.]] |
| 783 | |
| 784 | [[WMG: Salem intends for the White Fang to become symbiotic with the Grimm.]] |
| 785 | The White Fang members hate humans to the point of it becoming religious. The worse they get, the more the Grimm will be drawn to the misery they cause. Eventually it will reach a point when the Grimm recognize the White Fang as fellow Grimm and [[ThroughTheEyesOfMadness begin to see them as humanoid Grimm instead of Faunus.]] This will cause the Grimm to learn to fight in conjunction with those who can fight like Huntsmen and Huntresses. Salem will naturally take advantage of the situation. |
| 786 | |
| 787 | [[WMG: Weiss will discover that Raven is Yang's mother...]] |
| 788 | ...and she'll get under Raven's skin by mocking her in comparison to her daughter. When Raven kicks Weiss while she's already restrained, Weiss will coldly tell Raven that she hopes Yang ''never'' meets her, because even Yang's lowest expectations about her are better than what she is. |
| 789 | * And to further rub salt in the wound, Weiss will make the comparison between Raven and her father, and regardless if Jacques pays the ransom or not, Weiss will boldly state how he at least had the decency to be there as she grew up, and that for everything wrong with him, the White Fang's attacks against the SDC influenced him. |
| 790 | |
| 791 | [[WMG: Raven will try to hold Weiss ransom for money and dust from Jacques]] |
| 792 | She'll end up '''pissed''' when she discovers that he doesn't care and would like to see her dead. Weiss will then manipulate Raven by claiming she has a fiancé in who will pay handsomely for her to be brought to them safely, essentially tricking the clan into taking her to where she was heading in the first place. |
| 793 | * Or she won't realize that Jacques is friends with General Ironwood, Winter's boss, who will respond with an aerial bombardment once Weiss is rescued by her sister. |
| 794 | |
| 795 | [[WMG: Raven's clan will be slaughtered by Grimm]] |
| 796 | Which will allow Weiss to escape and find help. |
| 797 | * Jossed. |
| 798 | |
| 799 | [[WMG: Adam will pull a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness on Ilia]] |
| 800 | Before he kills her, he'll say something to the effect of "It is so sad that the traitorous Blake killed you, Ilia. I tried so hard to save you...but at least your death will show the citizens of Menagerie that the Belladonnas and all who they love must die. Tomorrow is when I'll say, [[BlatantLies 'Ilia's last request was that you all show the same loyalty to me as I, her dear leader and friend, did to her in her final moments.']] [[EvilLaugh Hahaha!]] They'll eat that [[PrecisionFStrike fucking shit]] right up." |
| 801 | |
| 802 | [[WMG: Team ABRN will show up]] |
| 803 | After all, they were from Haven. |
| 804 | |
| 805 | [[WMG: By the end of the season team rwby will be criminals on the run]] |
| 806 | Yang(and therefore Ruby)are connected to Raven and her tribe, Weiss is connected to Atlus and Blake is a former member of the White Fang. Lionheart could use these reasons to blame team rwby for the upcoming White Fang attack and season 6 will pit them against the students of Haven academy. |
| 807 | [[WMG:The season finale will result in a GambitPileup of epic proportions]] |
| 808 | So far we have; |
| 809 | * Cinder's team, who have ostensibly allied/coerced Raven and Vernal into helping them steal the relic from Haven, utilising their inside man Leo to get inside, and coordinating their attack alongside the White Fang. They also plan to kill Qrow in order to get Raven's help and as a secondary objective, scratching a known enemy off their list of targets. Cinder also wants revenge on Ruby personally for taking her [[EyeScream eye]], which may cause Cinder to go [[HonorBeforeReason off-mission]] to do so. |
| 810 | * Raven/Vernal, presumably working alongside Cinder's team to steal the relic and kill Qrow, they ultimately plan to steal the relic themselves and Raven is clearly running a counter-gambit to achieve this. She [[EvenEvilHasStandards may not actually]] want her brother Qrow dead at all and may have just said this to throw off Cinder and force her enemies into a direct conflict with his team so she can steal the relic herself. She then informs Leo of the plan, who in turn contacts Qrow about a meeting, tipping him off that something is up. If suspicions that it is Raven and not Vernal who is really the Spring Maiden, then they have a nice little surprise they can pull off that nobody seems to be predicting. |
| 811 | * Qrow/Ozpin/the students, who want to protect the relic and Haven academy and now may be expecting to walk into an ambush thanks to Raven getting Leo to invite them to a meeting. This is the group that is most in danger and is the most predictable since Cinders team at least knows who’s with Ruby in Mistral, but they don’t know that Yang and Weiss have also recently joined them, only Raven knows that. None of their enemies yet know that Ozpin is also back with them, and Cinders team [[IKnowYouKnowIKnow don’t know they know]] they’re being lured into an ambush. |
| 812 | * The White Fang/Adam/Hazel, are planning an attack on Haven. They don’t know about the relic or any of the other groups interests, except for Hazel, who has been out of contact with the rest of his own team for a while. Adam only wants to see the academy burn and kill as many people as possible, especially any surviving members of Blake's team, such as Yang. Any encounter between these two could be disastrous. If Raven has ''any'' semblance of motherly affection left in her, this may interfere with her own plans as she tries to keep her daughter safe, despite her claiming she wouldn’t help her again. Furthermore, if Adam starts pushing things too far, [[OnlySaneMan Hazel himself]], who already seems to have misgivings over working with him, may turn on him himself, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness claiming he’s more trouble than he’s worth]]. |
| 813 | * Blake/the Menagerie Faunus, who are now [[GondorCallsForAid on their way to Mistral]] to protect Haven. A possible SpannerInTheWorks to the White Fang's plans at least, since Adam is not expecting a force of his own kind to turn up and oppose him, much less one being led by the Belladonna family, whom he ordered killed. They will undoubtedly come to the aid of Ozpins side, though they are basically just acting as TheCavalry in this situation. |
| 814 | |
| 815 | So ultimately, we have Cinder's group who want to pull off [[ThePlan 3 objectives]]; stealing the relic, killing Qrow and Cinder's personal vendetta against Ruby which might screw them over. It’s likely that second objective is just part of Raven's gambit to keep them busy so she can screw them over on their first objective and Cinder is [[TheoryOfNarrativeCausality almost certainly going to come into conflict with Ruby]] during all of this as well. All of this hinges on the attack on Qrow's group being successful, but Qrow and Ozpin are already on their guard and suspect something is up, and the White Fang attack, whilst initially used to cover up the real objective, will itself be thwarted by the Menagerie Faunus counter attack, allowing the main characters to not have to split their focus on trying to save Haven OR the relic, and instead safeguard the relic itself. At some point in all the confusion Raven [[TheReveal pulls out her trump card]] and reveals herself to be the real Spring Maiden, snatches the relic and tries to [[ThinkingUpPortals portal]] her way out, only for Cinder to engage her in a full on Maiden vs Maiden battle. Enter [[TheParagon Ruby]], wanting to both protect the relic and get her own revenge on [[HeroKiller Cinder]] for Pyrrha's murder, and seeing the battle erupting around her, with possibly her sister or Blake in danger from Adam's vengeance once again, begins suffering flashbacks to the fall of Beacon and inadvertently [[EleventhHourSuperpower activates her Silver-Eyed powers]] again. She [[MeleeATrois engages the Maidens]] in their battle, being a significant threat to both. |
| 816 | |
| 817 | How it all turns out is still up in the air, but the result doesn’t look great for the villains. They’re underestimating Raven's WildCard tendencies, are out of the loop with regards to exactly who they’re up against amongst the main characters and aren’t expecting an entire army of Faunus to turn up on the heroes side to stop them. The heroes may still suffer losses and either Raven or one of Salems agents may still make off with the relic, but overall it seems the good guys might just pull off a win this season. |
| 818 | |
| 819 | * Updated predictions as of episode 12; Largely things have progress as expected thus far, aside from [[spoiler:Weiss]] getting seriously injured, though it looks like Jaunes newly unlocked [[spoiler:HealingHands Semblance has her covered]]. As I predicted, [[spoiler:Raven]] really is the Spring Maiden, not Vernal, and now we’re gearing up for a full on Maiden Vs Maiden battle. Advantage here has to go to [[spoiler:Raven]], not only is she an older, more experienced warrior still in her prime, but she’s also had years to perfect her Maiden powers, whereas Cinder has not. Cinder has also been extensively using her powers thus far, so is already lower on energy anyway. For the other individual fights; |
| 820 | ** Ozpin vs Hazel seems to currently be going in Ozpins favour, and now Ren is freed up to assist it seems they should have the upper hand. Note that Hazel is still probably the strongest fighter on the villains side still fighting upstairs, but if [[spoiler:Weiss]] can be healed quickly enough then that might also free Nora up from her protection detail to aid Ren, and since Hazel is currently using [[ShockAndAwe lightning dust]], she could very easily negate his attacks entirely should these two clash again right now. |
| 821 | *** Qrow vs Lionheart should be pretty clear cut; though both have already taken a good few hits, Leo himself admits he’s no longer in his prime at his age and his weapon is a combination of shield and dust caster. He’s currently engaged in a close range fight against resident Badass Qrow, who is now understandably pissed at his betrayal. Qrow should be able to finish him pretty quickly, freeing him up to assist whoever most needs aid next, either his nieces or Ozpin, or perhaps he’s first to go after Raven before she can steal the relic, since nobody is currently opposing her to his knowledge. |
| 822 | *** We then have the double team up of Mercury/Emerald vs Ruby/Yang. This could go several ways, but from what we’ve seen so far Yang has been holding her own against Merc the entire time and doesn’t seem too winded yet. Considering the last time these two fought Mercury let her win and this time has no reason to hold back, the fact she’s still standing at this point bodes well for Yang. She has also yet to employ her Semblance and now would be the perfect time to call back to Taiyangs advice from last volume about not over-relying on it and finding a way around her problems, showcasing her CharacterDevelopment. Then we have Ruby, who has in her own words, gotten angry over [[spoiler:Weiss’ injuring]], implying she’s no longer holding back and is about ready to ''really'' go all out against the pair. Emerald has been seen using her Semblance quite a bit thus far to keep them both off balance, but we know she can’t mess with both their minds at once without it giving her a headache. So, between Yangs character development coming to the fore and Ruby’s new resolve, they could easily work together to disrupt Em and Merc enough to find an opening. Perhaps Emerald tries to illusion them both at once and pushes herself too hard in doing so, leading to her being taken out suddenly, Merc then has to contend with two pissed off sisters as Yang unleashes her Semblance at just the right time, taking him down as well. |
| 823 | *** Weiss; Her situation is largely dependent on Jaune right now, but if he can finish [[spoiler:healing]] her quickly and she can [[spoiler:regain her Aura]] enough then she will finally be free to summon her knight without someone trying to kill her. If she does, it’s game over for the villains. Her giant knight inside this confined space against a group already outnumbered will definitely be the final nail in the coffin. |
| 824 | Still no sign of the White Fang who we know are planting explosives on the CCT outside and Blake and her forces have yet to arrive. They will likely do so next episode, leading to a full blown Faunus battle outside the building as the main fight inside is just about wrapping up. Hearing the commotion and with their enemies taken down, the group splits up, some going outside to stop Adams White Fang and join up with the unexpectedly arrived Blake, whilst others head to the vault to stop Cinder and Raven, who are now tearing into each other. Ruby will almost certainly be in the group heading down, potentially giving her the chance to now fully use her Silver Eye powers on Cinder. All of this is pretty bad for Cinder, who is already outmatched against [[spoiler:Raven.]] Meanwhile, Yang will likely be in the group who heads off to stop the White Fang, allowing for a potential encounter with Adam and a reunion with Blake. |
| 825 | |
| 826 | |
| 827 | |
| 828 | [[WMG: Raven will kill Cinder, and Emerald will become the next Fall Maiden.]] |
| 829 | Cinder sees herself as having no equal. She’s killed many powerful and skilled fighters, including the previous Fall Maiden, the most talented student at Beacon, and even the reincarnation of the wizard who gave the Maidens their powers. It makes sense for Cinder’s downfall to be at the hands of someone who proved themselves to be [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter better than her]], and that person could very well be Raven. Raven is older and likely more experienced. Raven’s probably had years of practice with her Maiden powers, whereas Cinder has only had months. Given that Raven was able to trick Cinder into thinking Vernal was the Spring Maiden, while Raven never believed for a second that Cinder would let them go free by the end, Raven is clearly smarter and more cunning. And while we have no way of knowing how Raven fights with her powers, we know that Cinder severely limits herself by mostly sticking to fire, only resorting to other elements when she needs to. Not to mention Raven would be more than willing to kill Cinder after what she did to Vernal. This could very well be where Cinder dies. |
| 830 | |
| 831 | If Cinder does die, her power is going to go to the last person she thinks of. The two most likely candidates are Salem and Emerald, but it’s hard to say whether Salem would even be able to have the Maiden powers, so that makes Emerald more likely. While fighting Ruby and Yang, her newfound powers will suddenly kick in. Upon realizing that she’s the Fall Maiden, she’ll come to the conclusion that Cinder is dead and be [[DespairEventHorizon driven off the deep end.]] She’ll try to use her powers to slaughter everyone in sight, but because she just obtained the power, the heroes will find an easily exploitable weakness in her attack pattern and defeat her. What Emerald does after this will remain to be seen. |
| 832 | * Alternatively, Raven and Cinder will perform a MutualKill. And their maiden powers will for Yang and Emerald respectively. |
| 833 | * [[spoiler: Jossed for Raven killing Cinder. Not for lack of effort though.]] |
| 834 | |
| 835 | [[WMG: Raven will relinquish the power of Spring Maiden and return it to Ozpin.]] |
| 836 | There is a method to transfer magic that has been granted to someone back to who bestowed it but it requires the possessor to do so willingly, hence why such a method wasn't considered with Cinder. Raven will return the Spring Maiden magic, and possibly that which allows her to shapeshift, to Ozpin because it fulfills everyone's goals. Raven and her tribe won't be a target for Salem anymore and she can walk away from the war she doesn't want to be part of while Ozpin recieves a much needed power boost that also presents more options to the heroes. |
| 837 | |
| 838 | [[WMG: Raven and Vernal planned on ambushing (and killing) Cinder in the Relic chamber as part of the attack on Haven.]] |
| 839 | Raven knew that there was little hope of her tribe ever being safe from Salem, especially since she was the Spring Maiden that Salem was after all along. She also knew that Cinder was the Fall Maiden, and that having the powers of two Maidens at her disposal would have made Raven nearly unstoppable, which meant that when Salem inevitably continued to try to hunt her down, she'd stand a much better chance of triumphing over whoever she sent, all the while ensuring that her tribe would be relatively safe. Therefore, she conspired to create a scenario in which Cinder would be separated from her entourage, trapping her in the same room as herself and Vernal, with the presence of the alleged Spring Maiden (an accomplished fighter in her own right) turning the fight into a 2-on-1 and helping tilt the odds in her favour. Unfortunately, Cinder beat her to the punch and removed Vernal from the equation, ruining her well-laid plan. |
| 840 | |
| 841 | [[WMG: There's something wrong with the Vault of the Spring Maiden.]] |
| 842 | When Raven opens the door, the inside of the vault is a large, open desert with only a few stone platforms that lead to the relic, and the platform themselves are visibly disintegrating. Raven herself is also surprised when she sees this. Even if it's the first time she steps into the vault, it's likely the inside of the vault isn't what she expected. After all, if the vault of the ''Spring'' Maiden shows nothing but a vast desert devoid of life, then it's clear that there's something wrong with it. |
| 843 | |
| 844 | [[WMG: The real reason behind Raven leaving.]] |
| 845 | With the revelation that she's a Spring Maiden: a lot of new theories are in the air, and now Raven's aloof personality to her family now makes more sense. Cinder theorizes that Raven had inherited the power from the previous Spring Maiden, but what if it wasn't by her choice? Remember that in Volume 3, Ozpin has a machine that could forcibly transfer a maiden's power to another person, which he tried to do to transfer the Fall Maiden powers from Amber to Pyrrha. What if Ozpin had done the same with Raven? If Raven was forced to inherit the Spring Maiden's power against her will, it now suddenly makes more sense why she hates Ozpin so much. He didn't just turn her into a bird for espionage purposes, he turned her into a dangerous living weapon with a big crosshair painted on her back, which proves to be the last straw. Being a maiden means she would turn from 'just another enemy' to 'a priority target' for Salem, and thus those close to her would also be in danger. That's why she leaves her family behind while despising Qrow for continuing to support Ozpin, the man who ruined her life. |
| 846 | * None of that supports what we’ve been told of the Spring Maiden thus far though. We know Raven left right after Yang was born, which is around 18 years ago now. We were also told that the last Spring Maiden was a girl who ran away and went missing around 10 years ago. So the timeline doesn’t match up. Raven being the Maiden also seems to have thrown everyone for a loop, including characters who would have known it was her, like Ozpin. You’d think he’d be a bit more forthcoming with this info at this point, especially after Yang made it very clear she’s fed up with secrets and half truths. I also seriously doubt the aura transfer tech is anything other than extremely new, experimental tech, that wouldn’t have existed all those years ago. |
| 847 | * Ah, you have a point. I hadn't considered much about the timeline. Still, the only one who have a knowledge that Raven is the current Spring Maiden is only Cinder, though, as Raven revealed herself to be inside the vault, away from other combatants and even Ozpin/Oscar. Perhaps even Ozpin doesn't realize that Raven is now the Spring Maiden, maybe he too believes that it was someone else who had ran away and gone missing, whose identity isn't revealed yet. The most likely scenario is that the previous Spring Maiden encountered Raven while she's on the run and Raven, through fair or foul, acquired the powers from her because she's the one the Maiden thought of when she died. Being a NeverMyFault person that she is, she also blames Ozpin (and Qrow as well for supporting him) for this as she's now one of Salem's targets. Still, if we believe that she still has at least a little care for Yang, it makes sense for her to stay away and be detached from her as much as she can (even if she had already abandoned her at birth). If something were to happen to her, the person she would most likely thought of before she die could be her daughter, which will result in Yang becoming the next Spring Maiden and therefore under danger of being attacked by Salem's forces. |
| 848 | |
| 849 | [[WMG: Raven did not actually [[spoiler:murder the previous Spring Maiden in cold blood]]]] |
| 850 | My guess is that it will be a FromACertainPointOfView kind of deal. Perhaps she was mortally injured in a fight and was given a literal MercyKill. Why would Raven lie about that, then? Well, the scenario just reminds me too much of the [[spoiler:"Euphienator incident"]] from ''Anime/CodeGeass'', which also featured the resident master schemer outright claiming to have mercilessly killed someone when in actuality, it was an unfortunate accident. [[spoiler:Lelouch]] did this out of guilt and because he felt not doing so would be dodging responsibility for his actions. Raven has also shown to be self-deceiving, plus if she views it as the result of her own actions, that fits perfectly with her delusions of power and being in control, while if it was an accident in her mind, it would make her feel powerless. Lastly, they're evidently trying to show she has regrets already anyway, what with [[spoiler: the tears and all]]. |
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| 852 | |
| 853 | [[folder:Volume 6]] |
| 854 | [[WMG:Emerald will have a feud with Yang assuming Cinder doesn't come back.]] |
| 855 | Emerald failed to stop Yang from running past her into the vault, and when she comes back up, Cinder isn't with her. Since Vernal is dead inside the vault and Raven is nowhere to be found, it's most likely that Emerald would assume that Yang is responsible for defeating all of them in the vault somehow. In her eyes, Emerald would think that Yang is the one person who singlehandlely ruined their plan and killed Cinder because she didn't know about Raven's betrayal in the vault, and thus in this volume she'll have a personal grudge with Yang. |
| 856 | |
| 857 | [[WMG: Volume 6's B plot will focus on Raven and Taiyang and their backstory as members of Team STRQ]] |
| 858 | |
| 859 | [[WMG: Team ABRN and the rest of Team SSSN will return, and there will be romance drama therein]] |
| 860 | Now that everyone is in Mistral, there’s a good chance that Neptune and the others will turn up again, as they’re all from Haven Academy, and with the immediate crisis over, this will be the perfect opportunity for the Weiss/Neptune romance to pick back up. |
| 861 | |
| 862 | However, since those two haven’t seen each other in about half a year now, and their budding relationship didn’t really go far past volume 2, it will instead be revealed that Neptune has moved on with a new girlfriend, namely, Reese Chloris. This makes sense for several reasons; 1) Neptune is a massive flirt and is unlikely to change his CasanovaWannabe ways after a single talk with Jaune, 2) he knows Team ABRN already, since they’re from the same school, 3) Reese is the most well known of Team ABRN to the FNDM and so the most likely to have a larger role in the story, 4) both Reese and Neptune are self styled “cool” characters and likely have personalities that synch up nicely and may have some common interests, 5) in the wake of the Fall of Beacon, they probably spent some time together, maybe even traveling via airship back home, not to mention dealing with their shared trauma after fighting alongside during the battle. |
| 863 | |
| 864 | Understandably, Weiss will be rather disappointed by this development, since she still has feelings for Neptune, and Neptune will be awkwardly apologetic to Weiss. With that ship effectively sunk, this then opens the possibility for Weiss to go on and develop feelings for Jaune, who already had an interest for her back in Beacon. Back then, Weiss dismissed Jaune because he came on rather strongly, was seen as rather weak, and because she had issues with boys chasing her because of her perceived fame. With Jaune now much stronger, not actively pursuing her and him having just saved her life, he becomes a much more interesting prospect in her eyes. Unfortunately, Jaune is still too caught up in his own feelings for Pyrrha, which he now realizes were much deeper than those he had for Weiss, leading to much confusion and heartache once Weiss opens up to him. |
| 865 | |
| 866 | [[WMG: Finding the Winter Maiden will be a significant part of the plot]] |
| 867 | Now that it's clear that Cinder is incapable of helping her gain the Spring Maiden powers for her faction, Salem will set out to find and recruit the current Winter Maiden to make her more powerful than Cinder and kill Raven. The heroes will also seek out the Winter Maiden in order to either have her help them fight Salem or protect her from her. Raven will also try to find her in an effort to find an ally, if only because another Maiden is strong enough to kill her. |
| 868 | |
| 869 | [[WMG: The villains will head to Vacuo.]] |
| 870 | As of Volume 5, the heroes next stop is Atlas. Salem will recognize this and advance on Vacuo for the Summer Maiden/Creation Relic. Tired of being confined to a desert while the other three could enjoy other climates, and not even being able to use her powers to try and rejuvenate the continent's environment, the Summer Maiden will willingly side with Salem's minions. |
| 871 | * Technically [[{{Jossed}} Jossed]], since it was revealed that the ''Winter'' Maiden handles the Relic of Creation. On the other hand, this plot could work, but with the Relic of Destruction instead being the focal point, and maybe even being the source of Vacuo's state if Relics can affect the environment passively. |
| 872 | * Confirmed. Salem's first order after reprimanding the other villains for the failure of the Mistral campaign is that they press on and head to Vacuo to retrieve the Sword of Destruction, before Hazel's bombshell that Ozpin has returned causes Salem to shoo her subordinates from the room as she flies into a rage. |
| 873 | |
| 874 | [[WMG: Yang will have heated chat with Blake in Volume 6]] |
| 875 | After all of the emotional turmoil she's been through, Yang likely isn't going to just let Blake go without telling her how badly she was hurt when she ran away. |
| 876 | |
| 877 | [[WMG: Ruby will suffer a mental breakdown in Volume 6]] |
| 878 | The writers and Lindsay have hinted that they've been planning on having Ruby suffer a mental breakdown eventually, and now that the team is back together and they have some room to breathe, it would only make sense that she could finally let her emotions loose. |
| 879 | |
| 880 | [[WMG: We will finally get a Summer Rose/Team STRQ flashback episode]] |
| 881 | This sort of ties in with the above WMG on Ruby’s breakdown and with another WMG this troper has regarding Summers death. To whit; the heroes have now recovered the Relic of Knowledge, but it is unclear exactly what powers it possesses or how it operates. Presumably, it does exactly what it sounds like, and grants knowledge to the user, perhaps in the form of flashbacks. |
| 882 | |
| 883 | Ruby will inadvertently activate the Relic and be granted one such flashback; a vision of her mother and Team STRQ in their younger years, during which she will see her mothers final ill-fated mission and discover the AwfulTruth; that it was Qrows bad luck Semblance that distracted her at the wrong moment and cost her her life. This would explain a lot about why Qrow keeps himself isolated from everyone, why he drinks and why he took so much effort to look out for Ruby specifically, as he blames himself for her mothers death. |
| 884 | |
| 885 | Of course, he hasn’t told Ruby any of this and probably hoped she would never find out, so Ruby discovering all of this, that her uncle lied to her and was, at least indirectly, responsible for Summers death, will finally be Ruby’s breaking point. We know that Ruby and Qrow have a very deep bond, so seeing it strained by such deceit would highly traumatic for both characters, and seeing how they work things out from there would be interesting to see to say the least. |
| 886 | |
| 887 | Ultimately this also fulfils several goals; we get our much desired Summer Rose flashback episode, we learn more about Qrow and possibly the rest of the team and we get much, much needed character development for Ruby. |
| 888 | |
| 889 | [[WMG: Atlas has already released the relic of creation.]] |
| 890 | We already know Atlas encourages a military mindset in it's hunters, which means that the Winter Maiden is likely under direct control of Ironwood for security, unlike the other three kingdoms who let their maidens roam free without protection and then wonder why things like Cinder happens. |
| 891 | |
| 892 | We know that after the great wat, Atlas became a technological superpower practically overnight. Now, the official story is that they did so because of abundant dust and because it was neccesarry to survive. But, if they had the relic of creation, then all of their technological advancment makes for a much more interesting dynamic between Qrow and both Ironwood and Winter. |
| 893 | |
| 894 | [[WMG: Jacques Schnee will attempt a coup of Atlas by siding with Salem in Volume 6 (7 at latest), both to spite General Ironwood, but also to further satiate his ControlFreak tendencies.]] |
| 895 | If his relationship with Ironwood in Volume 4 is any indicator, he's not exactly too happy with what's going on, and finding out that Weiss has escaped his clutches might cause him to do something drastic in an attempt to reassert control over his two daughters, or to spite Ironwood later on, perhaps even going so far as to help Salem retrieve both the one relic Qrow is bringing and Atlas' own relic. Considering the fact that Salem has yet to find the Winter Maiden (quite a few people think it's Winter), she'll probably be searching for her somewhere in Atlas, which may put her in contact with Jacques Schnee. He ends up deciding to essentially side with her, under the delusion that he can somehow control the situation, or him not really understanding that Salem doesn't care about things like social standing or money, all the while Salem pulls his strings like a puppet while taking advantage of his Dust Company to arm her group or disarm her opponents of a vital weapon/resource, and possibly getting closer to finding the Winter Maiden. |
| 896 | |
| 897 | This would end up resulting in several things: |
| 898 | * 1) Weiss and the team having to go back to Atlas to confront her father once and for all, since it's pretty clear that not only would this hypothetical Jacques be a threat to the world, but it's also a major conflict that would decide whether the Schnee family name will go down in infamy for treachery, or be reborn under Weiss. |
| 899 | * 2) It also acts as a parallel to the current arc with Leo Lionheart, in that while Leo is a good man being essentially blackmailed/forced to cooperate with Salem, and who is under no delusion that he's in a bad situation with little likelihood of emerging unscathed, Jacques' alliance with Salem would be that of a bad man who allies with a greater evil willingly, but is under the delusion that he's in control of the situation and that he can emerge smelling like roses. |
| 900 | * 3) It could potentially reveal Winter being the Winter Maiden (although considering how on the nose the naming conventions of the other Maidens shown so far, this is pretty obvious all things considered) |
| 901 | ** But now that we know that Vernal was a decoy for the real Spring Maiden (Raven) and that Cinder chose her last name on purpose, this one seems unlikely. |
| 902 | * 4) It could also potentially expand on Whitley's character, and validate the WMG as to whether he's just as bad as his dad, stuck on the fence, or potentially good but under severe pressure and abuse from his Dad. |
| 903 | |
| 904 | [[WMG:A minor character will be revealed to be a Maiden]] |
| 905 | Someone like, say, Ciel, Penny's partner. The heroes will search for the next Maiden, only for it to be revealed to be someone they already know. |
| 906 | |
| 907 | [[WMG:Penny will join Team JNPR in Volume 6]] |
| 908 | Think about it. The protagonists are bound for Atlas in the next volume, Team JNPR's lacking a member after Pyrrha's death, Penny starts with a P, and she's a robot that can be rebuilt. Most likely, Penny will be rebuilt as sort of a "2.0" version, and join Team JNPR as the new "P", and become a permanant main character. |
| 909 | * This could then go one of two ways. Either: |
| 910 | ** Penny will have no memory of Ruby, thus adding to the latters' problems, or |
| 911 | ** Penny thought ahead and made a backup of her memory just before her match with Pyrrha. Learning of her destruction at Pyrrha's hands will make her slightly bitter at first, before being told the exact circumstances, at which point she breaks down crying. |
| 912 | |
| 913 | [[WMG: Winter is Not the Winter Maiden....yet]] |
| 914 | The Current Winter Maiden is elderly and nearing the end of her life. Winter Schnee is being groomed to be her replacement by Ironwood. |
| 915 | * Confirmed. |
| 916 | |
| 917 | [[WMG: Neo is or will become the Winter Maiden]] |
| 918 | In episode 10 of the third season of ''WebAnimation/RWBYChibi'', we see Cinder following a trail seemingly leading to the Winter Maiden... [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments only for her to find a snowman resembling Neo.]] This might be just a gag... or it could be a clue that the creators dropped on who the Winter Maiden is or will be in the main show. The creators have all but stated that Neo will return to the show eventually, and that she will do something that will make the audience hate her, so who's to say that this "something" won't be her murdering the current Winter Maiden for her powers? |
| 919 | |
| 920 | [[WMG:Volume 6 will start with the death of a major character]] |
| 921 | Early info has shown that the season is starting on a train. The trailer has RWBY, Qrow, Oscar, and a currently unknown character traveling alone in the Atlas wilderness. The only time we see ANY members of Team JNPR is either in a short clip at the train station, or on the train, and the trailer seems to suggest that the train gets wrecked. |
| 922 | |
| 923 | It might be a leap to assume all three remaining members of the team are going to be killed, but things might not bode well for one of them, especially considering Ruby's final line in this trailer occurs during a battle on top of the train: |
| 924 | |
| 925 | "Don't let anyone else die." |
| 926 | |
| 927 | * Team JNPR may be on the train itself dealing with whoever is attacking. Ruby probably said that because she's sick and tired of the people she loves always dying, and is adament not to have a repeat of Penny and Pyrrha. |
| 928 | * Officially Jossed. None of Team JNPR dies, they're merely separated from Team RWBY by a Grimm attack at the train station. Ruby said "Don't let anyone else die" in response to the stupidity of one of the train's bodyguards resulting in him falling off the train to his death. |
| 929 | |
| 930 | [[WMG:Team JNPR is put out of commission early]] |
| 931 | Alternatively, no deaths, but the events on the train could lead to some of them getting injured and taken out of the story for the early parts of the volume. |
| 932 | * Jossed. RWBY and JNPR are separated by an untimely Grimm attack. JNPR manages to evacuate all civilians within the station using Ren's Semblence. |
| 933 | |
| 934 | [[WMG:The reason Salem wants the Relic of Knowledge]] |
| 935 | Now that we know what the relic is and does, (specifically, you can use it to ask any question you want and it will provide an answer) the question becomes; what will Salem ask if she ever gets hold of it. How about, "How do I permanently kill Ozpin?" |
| 936 | |
| 937 | [[WMG:Ozpin is responsible for turning Salem into what she is now.]] |
| 938 | Ozpin seemed absolutely desperate to stop Team RWBY from asking Jinn what he's been hiding from them, and the image we see of Salem in the past shows she's human. It's possible that he might've been responsible for turning Salem into... whatever she is, and thus the gods cursed him for it. If that were indeed the case, it'd explain why he's so desperate to keep that information from everyone: no one would dare trust him if they knew that he created the world's greatest threat. |
| 939 | * Jossed. The Gods of Creation and Destruction are more-or-less responsible by making Salem immortal as punishment for disrespecting the balance of life and death. Later on, Salem threw herself into the God of Darkness's pools of annihilation in an attempted suicide, but all this did was transform her into the Salem we know today. |
| 940 | |
| 941 | [[WMG:Ozpin used to be Salem's lover.]] |
| 942 | In addition to the above, Salem might have been Ozpin's lover. We're revealed that the golden-haired woman who's staring longingly at the statue of who is implied to be one of Ozpin's past incarnations in the opening is actually Salem before she became a Grimm. There's a very high probability that she fell in love with that incarnation of Ozpin, but then after he turned her into the monster she is today, [[WomanScorned she grew to despise him with every fiber of her being.]] |
| 943 | * Confirmed ''and'' jossed, actually. They were lovers, even after Salem became a monster (which he had nothing to do with). Their break-up was more based around their view of the god brothers leading to a painful conflict. |
| 944 | |
| 945 | [[WMG:Volume 6 will have a heavy focus on Ozpin, his past, and Oscar's CharacterDevelopment.]] |
| 946 | Now that the second episode shows Ozpin in a light that we have never seen before, plus the Volume's intro seems to put a lot of focus on Ozpin and his past, there's a reason to believe that Volume 6 will explore Ozpin's character (that hopefully does not overshadow the titular heroes). Namely, his and Salem's shared backstory and what leads to the Remnant being a DeathWorld that it is. It might even be Ozpin's own fault that results in the Moon breaking into pieces as shown in the intro. The rest of the volume will be spent with characters [[WhatTheHellHero calling out Ozpin for what he did]], and Ozpin and Oscar battling for control of the body. Either the Volume's gonna end with Oscar finally breaking the hold Ozpin has on him, or something happens that leads to Ozpin relinquishing the hold on him somehow. |
| 947 | |
| 948 | [[WMG:Jinn knows how to stop Salem, but Ozpin didn't ask the right question.]] |
| 949 | Ozpin specifically asked Jinn "How do I destroy Salem?", to which Jinn answered "You can't." However, just because Salem cannot be ''killed'' does not mean there isn't a way to permanently defeat her. The Gods decreed that Salem would remain an immortal until she learns the values of life and death, "so long as this world turns". |
| 950 | * Alternatively, the answer could be more along the lines of ''you'' can't, meaning that Ozpin is not the one who will defeat Salem. |
| 951 | ** Cue a fight where Ruby's the only one to inflict lasting damage, or just pain, on Salem. |
| 952 | * Another option is Jinn simply meant Ozpin couldn't defeat Salem ''right at that moment.'' Remember, her infinite knowledge is limited to past and present events. |
| 953 | * Or quite possibly, the simplest way to kill Salem is to summon the gods back to Remnant, who can easily undo her immortality and drain her magic with the flick of a wrist... but that would mean returning the JerkassGods who wrought destruction upon the previous Age for an inconsequential sacrilege, especially after humanity has developed a culture which does not directly worship or even respect the gods. Obfuscating her answer means giving Remnant more time to live and develop a better solution. |
| 954 | |
| 955 | [[WMG:Maria Calavera is the daughter of one of Ozpin's previous incarnations.]] |
| 956 | Specifically, she's one of the silver-eyed kiddos seen in the flashback where that guy with the glasses goes off to fight the Grimm. She recognized the cane when she spotted it on Oscar's person, and followed him out of curiosity. |
| 957 | * I'm not so sure about that. We have no idea how long ago that was. It this is true than is hundreds of years old. |
| 958 | |
| 959 | [[WMG:The Ozpin that asked how he can destroy Salem...]] |
| 960 | ...is actually Nicholas Schnee, as a very young man. |
| 961 | * I don't think so. The King of Vale (who is implied to be an incarnation of Ozpin) was around when Nicholas Schnee was born, and going with the above point, there's no way to know for sure when that version of Ozpin asked Jinn those questions. So I doubt it. |
| 962 | |
| 963 | [[WMG: The daughters of Ozpin and Salem...]] |
| 964 | Keep reincarnating like their father, but as new lives entirely. Only problem is that they never learned to tap into their magic before reincarnating. The last question from Jinn would reveal who they are. Ruby would be one of course, but not her teammates. The other three would be Velvet, Penny (but Jinn would use her name from before she was turned into a robot), and Pyrrha (who awakened her powers and teleported out at the very last second and has been amnesic since volume 3). |
| 965 | * Pyrrha is incinerated on-screen. Penny was never born - she's an AI, and her Aura is donated by Dr. Polendina, her "father". |
| 966 | |
| 967 | [[WMG:That wasn't a hallucination that Blake saw on the train..]] |
| 968 | Qrow mentions that the staff entrance to the caboose of the Argus Limited was left open, and insinuates that the two bumbling huntsmen Dee and Dudley were responsible. However, both deny having done so; unless they were both trying to avoid blame, the only explanation would be that someone snuck onto the train through the staff entrance and forgot to close it, and the only ones who would have cause to sneak on to the train would be villains. Since Cinder Fall is incapacitated at this point in the timeline and Hazel and the others are likely back at Salem's keep planning their next move, the most likely culprit would have to be Adam. Adam not only has the reason for stowing onto the train (he's an international criminal and therefore a wanted man), but also the motive (he wants to make Blake pay for his failure at Haven). It's possible his next move at this point is to focus his undivided attention on destroying Blake and all that she loves, starting with a train full of passengers that include some of Blake's best friends. |
| 969 | |
| 970 | [[WMG:Continuing on that, Adam will be the FinalBoss of the season once everyone makes it to Argus.]] |
| 971 | Once Teams RWBY and JN(P)R and co. reunite at Argus, Adam will make his presence known and attack the group. After they put up a valiant fight against him, Adam will swear revenge, only to be arrested by the Atlesian Military. Since Argus' port town is a know Atlas military port, the military will be passing through and just happen to witness the fight, at which point they will promptly arrest Adam for trial and imprisonment at Atlas. |
| 972 | |
| 973 | The next season will then have one of the subplots focus on his trial, where one of the many crimes he will be tried for is the attempted attack on Haven Academy. Adam, in an act of spite towards the growing unity between humanity and the faunus, will reveal Leonardo Lionheart's involvement in the attack. Since Leonardo was not only a faunus, but one put in charge of one of the four major Huntsman academies throughout Remnant, the news will set human/faunus back to where they were before, if not further back. This will make the Belladonna family's efforts for naught. |
| 974 | |
| 975 | [[WMG:Jinn left out some crucial details in her exposition, which will play later on]] |
| 976 | Like where the second generation of humanity came from and origins of silver-eyed warriors. |
| 977 | Because they were totally irrelevant to the asked question. |
| 978 | But they will be plot relevant. |
| 979 | * Confirmed: silver eyes are related to the God of Light, as Maria can see from that vision. As to second humanity - perhaps Salem's words about "humans came from dust" should be understood literally? |
| 980 | |
| 981 | [[WMG:Based in what we are told about Salem’s origin, Ruby will use her Silver Eyes on Salem...]] |
| 982 | ...not as a means to destroy her due to her immortality, but to purify her of her Grimm side instead, and then try to reason with her while her Grimm side is either gone or greatly weakened. |
| 983 | |
| 984 | Think about it; it's established that the Grimm are innately desiring of destruction, something that is also emphasized in how the recent episodes notes that Salem has this innate trait from her dip into the bath tub of the Dark God. We also know that Silver Eyes can destroy Grimm easily, but what if that was not the limit of what it could do/what if it isn't the actual purpose of the Eyes? What if it turns out that the Eyes' true purpose is not to destroy Grimm, but to purify beings of the Dark God's innate desire to de lstroy? That would make sense for why the Grimm are decimated by it; because they're made of nothing BUT this innate desire, and thus cannot sustain themselves when purified. And considering how much of Salem's current twisted behavior is the result of her Grimm side twisting her desires, purifying that side might make it easier to reason with her. |
| 985 | |
| 986 | Now why Ruby? Well besides her being the protagonist, she's arguably the best suited for it since she's a simple honest soul, someone with relatively few pretensions or notions about things that would make her views complicated, condescending or manipulative, like Ozpin, Qrow and so forth. This is important because when you take Salem's personality in "The Lost Fable" into consideration (and Website/TVTropes' Fridge Brilliance section), she's got the emotion maturity of a child due to her years of isolation and a mix of abandonment issues and fear of manipulation, and she hates being condescended to (regardless of intent). Having Ruby be the one to relate to her and convince her of the error of her ways is arguably the best possible solution since she is relatively unburdened by complicated beliefs or zeal, she's not trying to manipulate or condescend like many people in Salem's past, and being a relative child herself (thus possibly reminding Salem of her daughters) would probably be able to get to Salem's long buried innocence and compassion. |
| 987 | |
| 988 | [[WMG:Ozpin will cut his ties with RWBY and begin work to unleash the gods.]] |
| 989 | Ozpin's past, setbacks, and news that Salem can't be ended by mortal hands have been exposed to not just RWBY, but his right-hand man. He's spent centuries trying to achieve what the gods ordered him to do (bring harmony to the world so that it'll be ready for the gods if they're summoned back) only for his efforts to be undermined by the same world he's assigned to protect. He sees no end to his mission in his sight since [[HumansAreBastards humans and faunus act how they do]] and Salem can not be ended by him. RWBY and Qrow's actions in Volume 6 Episode 4 will be the last straw. He'll decide he's done playing babysitter to this hopeless world, make off with the relic in the night, and begin his last resort plan of summoning the gods to not just smite Salem but so he can finally rest. |
| 990 | |
| 991 | Team RWBY of course will not allow this once they figure out what Ozpin's up to. This will lead to a three-way race between Team RWBY with their allies, Salem's faction, and Ozpin with his (like Glynda, who should still be loyal to him). Plotwise, this would provide a breaking point in RWBY's alliance with Ozpin. Will put Ruby in the position to be savior the world needs. Also, having a {{Omnicidal Maniac}} villain with a sympathetic backstory is a rather known JRPG tradition and who better than Ozpin in light of all we learned about him? |
| 992 | ** Alternatively it's OSCAR who will try to bring back the gods, just to finally be Rid of Ozpin. |
| 993 | |
| 994 | [[WMG:Yang's own secret keeping will blow up in her face.]] |
| 995 | In either this volume or the next, the rest of Team RWBY and Qrow will learn how Yang ''really'' got the Relic of Knowledge and that Raven is the Spring Maiden, either though Yang telling them or some outside factor like Raven. Obviously, after Yang's constant harassment of Ozpin for his habit of secret keeping, the other will call her out. |
| 996 | * Why would they do that, those situations aren't remotely the same? Yang demanding that Ozpin not lie to them (which he responded to by ''lying'') was because he was in charge and it was one of her conditions for staying. It's understandable to be want to be able to trust the person leading you on a dangerous mission, and to want to be in the know about potential dangers. Yang keeping Raven's identity secret endangers exactly no one and is wrapped up in her own issues with her mother and abandonment, and so something she can keep private because it doesn't effect the mission (a mission that she is not leading). People are being really aggressive in wanting to demonise a traumatised teenager for getting understandably frustrated at a lying old wizard who has had plenty of time to get his act together and failed to do so. Consider the contexts for their actions and the consequences - Yang lying has hurt no one, Ozpin's lies get people killed and he just blows it off. Ozpin isn't remotely a sympathetic party in this. |
| 997 | ** No, Ozpin's lies didn't get people killed. All of Ozpin's secrets were to protect people. He didn't tell them that the Relic slightly attracted Grimm because it would have just made them anxious; those negative emotions would have attracted the Grimm. Ozpin keeping that a secret didn't get anyone killed; the Relic's attraction would be so weak it was negligible compared to the stress of knowing that it caused the train attack. It is baseless correlation, not causation, and Ozpin was never the heartless monster people make him out to be; he has always cared about the lives lost. Ozpin's secrets hurt no one; in fact, revealing them hurt people. Ozpin's secrets about Salem being immortal hurts no one. In fact, it protects people for the same reasons that Qrow gave about not telling people Salem existed. Watch the reactions to learning that Salem was immortal; they lost hope and panicked, used Ozpin as a scapegoat, and wanted to give up the fight. See the following [[http://itsclydebitches.tumblr.com/post/181776207310/a-response-to-the-claim-that-yangs-secret counter-argument]]. |
| 998 | |
| 999 | [[WMG:Oscar decides to leave Argus and heads back home after getting sick how WBY, JNR and Qrow treats him as Ozpin's vessel.]] |
| 1000 | In Episode 8, [[spoiler:after Jaune assaulted Oscar, who believes it's Ozpin pretending to be him,]] he decides to go back home and returns to his normal life as a farm boy. There's a chance he will whether take a train to Mistral to somewhere in Anima or he has a long walk back home awhile avoiding Grimms along the way. It will also be too late for Team RWBY and JNR to find in him. |
| 1001 | * Jossed. Oscar just went to buy combat clothes and he never leave Argus. |
| 1002 | |
| 1003 | [[WMG:Qrow tries to commit suicide out of depression and his shapeshifting powers will transfer to someone else]] |
| 1004 | After a fail attempted to get to Atlas, Qrow gave up on finding a way get in to Altas and decides to [[spoiler:commit suicide by consuming several drinks of alcohol in the bar he found.]] It makes senses that he will rather die then continue living without a purpose and don't want to bring misfortune closest to him. It will also mean that's his shapeshifting ability will be transfer to someone close to or returns to Ozpin. |
| 1005 | |
| 1006 | [[WMG:Ruby will lose one of her eyes by Neo and someone makes a heroic sacrifice to save her]] |
| 1007 | If Ruby faces off with Neo and Cinder alone, there's a chance she will lose one of her eyes to Neo due to Cinder told her about SEWS in the Volume 6 finale or semi-finale. The one who protects Ruby from Neo will be someone she cares deeply is either by Jaune, Oscar, Qrow (excluding her team) or Maria. |
| 1008 | |
| 1009 | [[WMG: Cinder and Neo will rescue Adam]] |
| 1010 | If Adam ends up on the ropes against Blake and Yang, they'll rescue him once they realize RWBY's on their way to Atlas. Adam will coaxed along saying that he'll have a shot at the Schnee family. Depending on much of a pile up the season finale is, the trio will run into Tyrian and Watts, sort out the Haven incident, and split into two groups: Three to sow chaos, and two to find the Relic(s) |
| 1011 | * Jossed. [[spoiler:Adam was killed in the battle with Yang and Blake, with no sign of Cinder or Neo.]] |
| 1012 | |
| 1013 | [[WMG: Team RWBY will use the last of Jinn's questions in the finale]] |
| 1014 | [[spoiler:With the Argus mecha crippled and Argus under seige from a horde of Grimm and one giant Grimm, Ruby will ask Jinn what they can do to save the city.]] |
| 1015 | * Partially {{Jossed}} - [[spoiler: Ruby summons Jinn, but only to use the resulting time stop to prepare her counterattack, and thus doesn't spend the question.]] |
| 1016 | [[/folder]] |
| 1017 | |
| 1018 | [[folder:Volume 7]] |
| 1019 | [[WMG: Atlas will fall this volume]] |
| 1020 | With the majority of the villains converging on Atlas, including Salem breeding a new army of flying beringel Grimm and finally taking to the field herself, it seems like the threat level has taken a step up. The villains also haven't had a solid victory since the Fall of Beacon either, so this would be a good way to raise the stakes, especially with the Relic of Knowledge out of its vault and the Creation Relic being located in Atlas already, it's possible Salem could grab one or both AND take down one of the largest remaining threats left in the world. Not helped by the fact that we now know Atlas is a gigantic flying island, held up by power of the Relic of Creation. Right now dropping it would damage the continent, but raise the power output enough and it rises enough for a ColonyDrop. |
| 1021 | * Sieg Mantle |
| 1022 | * With the reveal of the Staff of Creation being the power source of the city's levitation, and acquiring the relics being the primary objective of Salem's group, this is even more likely to occur. |
| 1023 | |
| 1024 | * Technically jossed, due to the volume ending on cliffhanger. Transferred to Volume 8. |
| 1025 | |
| 1026 | [[WMG:Alternate fates for Atlas]] |
| 1027 | Instead of it being dropped: |
| 1028 | |
| 1029 | * Destroyed by somehow igniting the dust. Alternatively, there's a giant Grimm in their too somehow, and freeing it rips the island apart. |
| 1030 | * Captured by Salem as a mobile base, likely to launch it at Vacuo for the last Relic. |
| 1031 | * It's simply reunited with the continent. Judging from the reveal image, the raised portion fits into the hole next to the city. |
| 1032 | * Rather than try and cause chaos in Atlas through out-and-out destruction, Salem will use the winged Beringel to kill specific people in Atlas, like captains of industry and military leaders, in order to spread fear and destabilize the region. The increasing lack of faith in the citizens and those who rely on Atlas will spread negative emotion for the Grimm to feed on, leading to conventional invasions. |
| 1033 | |
| 1034 | * Technically jossed, due to the volume ending on cliffhanger. Transferred to Volume 8. But Salem has brought a big-ass whale-grimm the size of the Atlas with her. |
| 1035 | |
| 1036 | [[WMG: Ironwood and Qrow will die in this volume]] |
| 1037 | In ''Literature/TheWizardOfOz'' the flying monkeys destroy both the Scarecrow and Tinman, who Ironwood and Qrow represent respectively, when they capture Dorothy, who Ruby represents. |
| 1038 | * Jossed. |
| 1039 | |
| 1040 | [[WMG:Yang's arm was originally a prototype for an upgraded version of Penny's arms.]] |
| 1041 | [[https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/rwby/images/4/41/PennyStructure.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1280?cb=20160117235230 Penny's arms]] were rather slim, whereas Yang's arm has armor plating shaped like a real arm and a built-in cannon. If Penny had survived volume 3, she would've been upgraded. |
| 1042 | |
| 1043 | [[WMG: Penny will be back in Volume 7]] |
| 1044 | Probably just in time to pull a BigDamnHeroes at a key moment. |
| 1045 | * '''CONFIRMED CONFIRMED CONFIRMED!''' |
| 1046 | |
| 1047 | [[WMG: Penny will be back... sort of.]] |
| 1048 | A robot named Penny will appear, but her AI came from a backup made before the original Penny went to Vale, meaning that, as far as she's concerned, Ruby is just a stranger. |
| 1049 | * Alternatively, the backup was made before she went to the tournament, meaning she still remembers Ruby, but doesn't know what has transpired since her death. |
| 1050 | ** Slashed, she's back, and boy does she remember Ruby! |
| 1051 | |
| 1052 | [[WMG: Blake and Yang come out and enters a romantic relationship in Volume 7]] |
| 1053 | Since their were many hints on their relationship from Volume 6, it’s they either tell their friends they are in a relationship, confesses their love for each other before upcoming battle against Salem or Yang or Blake kisses each other for the first time. |
| 1054 | * What about Sun though? OneTrueThreesome? |
| 1055 | ** Called Sunnybees. |
| 1056 | |
| 1057 | [[WMG: Ruby will come out as a lesbian or bisexual in Volume 7]] |
| 1058 | Since Ruby has a different hair style than previous volumes, it’s possible she might confessed she is a lesbian or bisexual and she may fell in love with Weiss for a long time. |
| 1059 | * So far she shows more chemistry with Oscar. |
| 1060 | |
| 1061 | [[WMG: Oscar confessed his love to Ruby before Ozpin takes fully control over his body in Volume 7]] |
| 1062 | Since Oscar doesn't have much time left, so in the middle or at the end of Volume 7, he will tell Ruby how he feels about her. Ruby will either accepted Oscar's romantic feelings for her or rejected him since she fell in love with someone. |
| 1063 | * Jossed: They do not progress past CannotSpitItOut yet, but Ozpin doesn't completely take over either. |
| 1064 | |
| 1065 | [[WMG: Nicholas Schnee is still alive and will be an important character during Atlas arc]] |
| 1066 | It wasn't directly stated that he died, and it's safe to assume that a RenaissanceMan like the Schnee patriarch would remain as active as his failing health would allow him, even in retirement. He might even aid his granddaughter on her team's quest if she'd call for him. And while Jacques controls the SDC, Old Nick may still have the reputation, connections and people who owe him favors. |
| 1067 | * So far no mention of him, at all. |
| 1068 | |
| 1069 | [[WMG: The aura transfer tech from volume 3 was originally developed by Watts.]] |
| 1070 | Watts was described by Raven as a disgraced scientist, but we don't know what happened. His downfall might be the result of inventing the process as part of Atlas' research into aura and ran unethical but still legal research with it, but was stopped before it was perfected because Ironwood discovered what was going on and called in some favors. Cinder expressing shock at discovering Penny's nature would be because she knew about Watt's work, but wasn't expecting that Atlas got it to work. Atlas kept the tech in their archive until the old man who witnessed Penny's death in volume 3 dug it up to create Penny. |
| 1071 | |
| 1072 | [[WMG: Neo will die. ]] |
| 1073 | One of the most important themes in the series is to keep moving forward no matter what happens. The main characters get better by accepting what's happened and don't let the past hold them back. However, Neo hasn’t gotten over Roman's death and is desperate to kill whoever she deems responsible, focusing solely on a past tragedy she can't do anything about. Arguably, not moving forward. |
| 1074 | |
| 1075 | * Neo has just paired up with Cinder, which is probably going to bite her in the ass for a few reasons: |
| 1076 | ** Number one is that Cinder's character development is heading in a direction where she is learning not to needlessly murder people, but to use them as tools. Cinder's alliance with Neo demonstrates she now knows she doesn't have to threaten people into cooperating, as that method ended disastrously with Raven. However, Cinder was taught by Salem, a woman notorious for throwing away anyone who outlives their usefulness. |
| 1077 | ** Their entire alliance also hinges on Neo being able to kill Ruby. Cinder has been ordered by Salem not to kill her so she's letting Neo do it - that way, Ruby dies and she stays in Salem's good graces. However, while that means Neo would get revenge, it also means Salem would be extremely angry with Neo, who would have no protection against her wrath. |
| 1078 | *** Similarly, if Neo, however unlikely, kills Ruby, Cinder may just kill her in turn to please Salem. |
| 1079 | |
| 1080 | * Tyrian and Watts have been sent to Atlas, and both know very well that Salem does not want Ruby dead. Tyrian is psychotically loyal to Salem, so he would undoubtedly kill Neo if he finds out she could threaten Salem's plans. |
| 1081 | |
| 1082 | * Technically jossed, heroes had only one moderate scuff with Neo so far. Transferring to Volume 8. |
| 1083 | |
| 1084 | [[WMG: Atlas Learned From Vale]] |
| 1085 | Probably the least likely of all of these, but I feel that since Ironwood was in Vale when it fell, and he seems to have been kind of...rattled by it, he's spent some of this time in Atlas prepping the ships and their troops to better handle mass Grimm/Fang attacks. Those flying monkeys will attack Atlas, only to run into a wall of CIWS fire the likes of which Remnant has never seen. Maybe even upgrades to the Paladin and some kind of interceptor fighter? |
| 1086 | |
| 1087 | [[WMG: We'll go into Penny's origin]] |
| 1088 | While it's nice that Penny's back her return seemingly goes against the morals set up last volume, even with the HandWave of a core. As Penny's background is explored, it will be revealed that Dr. Poledina had a terminally ill granddaughter that he saved with Ironwood's aura transfer tech, thus the creation of Penny. Reflecting on this, the heroes realize what the two brothers meant about the balance of life and death: it's not the act of resurrection itself that's bad, but the ''consequences'' it might bring. Ozma was reincarnated for a higher purpose, but chose to to "resurrect" his life with Salem, to disasterous results. Likewise, Ironwood and Pietro resurrected the granddaughter as Penny, leading to the Fall of Beacon, and the deaths that followed. |
| 1089 | * Jossed. Penny was a result of Pietro wanting a military defence system that possessed a soul, and sacrificed parts of his own Aura to give Penny hers. His damaged Aura is the reason he's so sick. As long as Penny's core survives, she can be rebuilt, but she can only become ''Penny'' for as long as Pietro has Aura to spare... and if he rebuilds her just one more time, it'll kill him. |
| 1090 | |
| 1091 | [[WMG: Pietro has some sort of history with Dr. Watts]] |
| 1092 | Both are Atlesian scientists who have made prosthetics for their repsective sides. |
| 1093 | * To tie in some earlier [=WMGs=], Watts was Pietro's student/colleague until the former developed aura transfer tech and was disgraced. If the two meet, Watts will throw out a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech at Pietro; he made the transfer tech under orders to better civilization, whereas Pietro used it for personal reasons, setting in motion the Fall of Beacon. The only difference is that Ironwood was sympathetic to Pietro. |
| 1094 | * Jossed. Pietro and Watts were rivals in a competition to develop the next generation of military defence systems. Ironwood chose Pietro's plan (Penny) over Watts' (implied to be the Paladins). How Watts was disgraced is never explained, but he was believed dead during an unspecified "Paladin incident years ago" (he actually faked his death). They never come face-to-face in the show. |
| 1095 | |
| 1096 | [[WMG: Team RWBY's alliance with Ironwood will fall apart.]] |
| 1097 | Ruby already showed she doesn't fully trust Ironwood and doesn't give him the full truth of the lantern. Ironwood, in turn, is either keeping secrets from them or ends up crossing a line pursuing his goals. The rift would probably be especially hard for Penny, who would have to decide between her friendship with Ruby and loyalty to her country. |
| 1098 | * Oh, please. She'd sooner die again than be forced to fight Ruby. |
| 1099 | * {{Jossed}}: [[spoiler:In episode 9 they finally decide they can trust him, tell him the rest of the truth and it convinces Ironwood to loosen a bit too. Unless he suddenly crosses MoralEventHorizon in later episodes, there's no more rift to speak of.]] |
| 1100 | * [[spoiler: But then confirmed: In episode 11 numerous events including discovering a black queen piece that Cinder created in his office, learning that Yang and Blake told Robin about the Amity Tower despite telling them it was a state secret, and a message from Salem indicating she is invading Atlas immediately, pushes Ironwood's paranoia to the breaking point and he plans to push Atlas to the upper athmosphere to keep both the Relics and the Winter Maiden out of her reach. Because this means abandoning the evacuating Mantle citizens, Team RWBY justifiedly protest, causing Ironwood to order the Spec-Ops to arrest them.]] |
| 1101 | |
| 1102 | [[WMG: Ironwood knows Ruby lied to him]] |
| 1103 | But accepts it as a necessary consequence of his actions. He is self-aware enough of how his actions look to others and understands why Ruby didn't tell him everything. He'll reveal this at some point by asking if she's ready to tell him the truth yet and admit he's been playing dumb to let trust between them build up naturally rather than force the issue. He'll leave the choice of revealing everything up to her but emphasize that he does need information that may be vital for Remnant. He won't take the actual reveal when it comes about well but won't hold it against Ruby for not telling him right away. |
| 1104 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:he only figured it out after provocation from Cinder and did not take it well.]] |
| 1105 | |
| 1106 | [[WMG: Ironwood's plan to reveal Salem's existence will happen as intended]] |
| 1107 | But rather than a matter of fact "This is who we fight against" broadcast it will be one where he delivers a scathing ReasonYouSuckSpeech about Salem and her followers. Some points will include calling them cowards who only strike from the shadows, pointing out how pathetic it is that they've been bested everytime they went after Ruby and how she can destroy their strongest Grimm easily. He'll also reach out to the other kingdoms to band together, announcing his plans to end several worrisome decisions he has made. The broadcast will end with him essentially declaring war against Salem and her followers, basically saying "If you are so powerful come out and prove it in the open. [[BringIt We'll be waiting]]." |
| 1108 | * This seems unlikely due to the converse of UnspokenPlanGuarantee; if the audience hears the charaters' plan, it has to go wrong somehow. |
| 1109 | * Confirmed, as Ironwood revealed Salem's existence to the Council members, and to Mantle. |
| 1110 | * [[spoiler: ...And {{Jossed}}, due to the [[FromBadToWorse worsening situation]], Ironwood has to abandon the CCTV project to try to protect Atlas from Salem's forces.]] |
| 1111 | |
| 1112 | [[WMG: The Winter Maiden will die]] |
| 1113 | Given that we're told the current Winter Maiden is frail and elderly, it's likely she won't survive for very long. Ironwood will also likely be looking for a suitable successor in the event she passes on. |
| 1114 | * As Winter revealed to Weiss in episode 5, Ironwood has only allowed Winter to meet the Winter Maiden since the fall of Beacon for her to inherit the powers. |
| 1115 | * Confirmed: Fria dies and passes her power. |
| 1116 | |
| 1117 | [[WMG: The Spec Ops team are designed as a counter to Ruby and her friends.]] |
| 1118 | It's possible that Ironwood already suspects Qrow and the others are lying to him. To go further, he already considers them a liability. To that end, he prepped the Spec Ops team as both the perfect support and counter force. Harriet can match Ruby's speed, Elm's weapon is similar to Nora's, Clover can cancel out Qrow's semblance, Marrow is a canine faunus while Blake's a cat Faunus, etc. |
| 1119 | |
| 1120 | [[WMG: Jacques will conspire with Watts and Tyrian.]] |
| 1121 | By working with Salem's faction, Jacques thinks they can help him wrest power from Ironwood and in turn essentially rule all of Atlas. Watts and Tyrian, of course, will play Jacques like a fiddle and dispose of him once they have completed their objective. |
| 1122 | * Confirmed as of Episode 4. |
| 1123 | |
| 1124 | [[WMG: Tyrian's "interest" in Jaune will be brought up again.]] |
| 1125 | With both teams RWBY and JNR now working fully under Ironwood, another encounter with Tyrian is almost for certain. Tyrian will explain or drop hints of the reason for his intriguement of Jaune. |
| 1126 | * Jossed. During the Atlas Arc, Tyrian does briefly cross paths with Ruby, but mostly deals with Qrow, Robyn and Clover. His interest in Jaune never crops up. |
| 1127 | |
| 1128 | [[WMG: Penny will be revealed as the new Winter Maiden]] |
| 1129 | Penny's "death" in volume 3 was an emotional and dramatic turning point in the series. The fact that she is now revealed to have survived, when the writers could have left her deceased implies she has significant importance to the plot. We know from Pennys own words ("it'll be my job to save the word"), and the fact that Ironwood is so closely linked to her creation that she must serve some vital purpose in Ironwoods long term plans going forward, to the extent that he even kept her true nature a secret from Ozpin himself at first. Ironwood is a man who wants long term solutions to problems; replacing men on the battlefield with machines, raising Amity arena into the atmosphere to act as an unassailable CCT tower, etc. |
| 1130 | |
| 1131 | What if Penny was created as the prototype to replace the Maidens with machines? We know from Qrow that the current Winter Maiden is "no spring chicken", implying she's old/in ill health, and Maidens dying and passing on their powers to random people is a giant pain for the Ozluminati to deal with. We also know Ironwood has the tech to just directly transfer aura, and any associated Maiden powers, to another person, so it makes sense to imagine Ironwood wanted to do this; create an unaging, super teched up artificial human, and then transfer the powers to them for safe keeping. After all, how could you possibly defeat someone that powerful? Penny was already shown to be exceptionally advanced and effective in combat, she can't be "killed" even by ripping her apart, and how do you even steal powers linked to the aura generated by a robot?! Add Maiden powers and she'd be virtually unbeatable. Hell she doesn't even need to rest! |
| 1132 | |
| 1133 | It's also telling we haven't seen the "current" Winter Maiden, or been given a name yet, much like what happened with the prior Spring Maiden before Raven killed her. She was alluded to, but absolutely not focused on at all, because she was already long dead. Qrow knows who Winter is, but when was the last time he saw her alive? A year ago? At best? Probably even longer. She could very well have passed some time ago and Ironwood hasn't told anyone. |
| 1134 | * Seemingly [[{{Jossed}} jossed]]. Ironwood plans to have Winter become the next Winter Maiden. |
| 1135 | * [[spoiler: Now Confirmed.]] |
| 1136 | |
| 1137 | [[WMG: Ironwood is going to respond violently when he discovers the truth]] |
| 1138 | Ruby will proven right about not disclosing everything to Ironwood when she finally does reveal the truth. He'll be angry and start lashing out at the heroes, starting off with [[JerkassHasAPoint legitimate grievances]] that levels at them but then dovetailing into accusations that are born of nothing but his own frustrations at everything that he has happened. He'll demand they return the Relic of Knowledge, which Oscar will be willing to do. But Ironwood will then demand that they tell him how the Relic functions, which Oscar will refuse to do because he feels that it isn't necessary and is worried over Ironwood misusing it. Said refusal will result in Ironwood attacking them to take back the Relic, possibly aided by Winter or the Ace-Ops. Said fight will end when Ironwood opens fire on someone, most likely Oscar, only for Ruby, who has had her Aura broken, to take the hit instead. This will snap Ironwood out of his rage and may be the beginning of a HeelRealization. |
| 1139 | * ZigzaggedTrope: [[spoiler:He simply sits in StunnedSilence, until Oscar snaps him out of it. It's not until episode 11 that he responds poorly, but to a combination of learning about new threats and Team RWBY lying or disobeying his orders previously.]] |
| 1140 | |
| 1141 | [[WMG: Ironwood will have a HeelRealization about his methods]] |
| 1142 | Ironwood will realize that he's causing more problems than he's solving with his methods. It may be triggered by something like the fight above, going through Mantle and seeing the harm his methods are causing, his soldiers acting cavalier about people being hurt or any number of choices but he will have to face how he's been a bigger source of chaos for the world than he's been willing to admit. |
| 1143 | |
| 1144 | [[WMG: Winter will not become the Winter Maiden]] |
| 1145 | Ironwood's plan as revealed in episode 5 is for Winter to inherit the Winter Maiden power, by having Winter be the only one allowed to meet and bond with the current Winter Maiden since the Fall of Beacon. For whatever reason, Winter will not be in the Maiden's last thoughts. Reasons can be as follows: |
| 1146 | * An ill timed senior moment where the Maiden confuses someone else for Winter. Under this scenario, the most likely choice would be Weiss, and with our heroes luck she'll gain the power in full view of the public at some major event thanks to Jacques' political ambitions. |
| 1147 | * Spite at Ironwood for keeping her locked hidden away. She'll be dead soon; what could he even do? |
| 1148 | * A last second distraction. |
| 1149 | * We know nothing about Fria's past, not even her surname; Who's to say that she doesn't have a daughter, a granddaughter, a niece, or even just any young girl she may have bonded with before, that she could think of in her last moments? |
| 1150 | * Cinder has infiltrated Atlas, and Neo obtained some vital, yet unshown intel. |
| 1151 | * [[spoiler: Confirmed. Penny is the Winter Maiden, and Ironwood is ''pissed''.]] |
| 1152 | |
| 1153 | [[WMG: Jacques will be blatantly corrupt and incompetent right off the bat!]] |
| 1154 | * Corrupt - exactly as guessed, incompetent - not really, though not an ace. |
| 1155 | |
| 1156 | [[WMG: Marrow's a traitor]] |
| 1157 | Given how he didn't even react to Tyrian killing people during Episode 6 ''and'' how he gets constantly ribbed for his race, it wouldn't be surprising if he has a WhosLaughingNow bit. |
| 1158 | * So far jossed. |
| 1159 | |
| 1160 | [[WMG: Robyn knew that Penny didn't kill the people, but decided to ignore that fact.]] |
| 1161 | Instead using the deaths to encourage others to rise up against Ironwood, effectively creating the lie that Penny did it. |
| 1162 | |
| 1163 | [[WMG: Qrow is going to help Weiss's mother get through her alcoholism]] |
| 1164 | With Weiss and Winter's family becoming a central focus in this volume, it's likely a matter of time before we are introduced to the matriarch of the Schnee family, who has been acknowledged to be an alcoholic. Qrow, who is actively trying to curb his drinking this volume, will attempt to help Weiss's mother with her dependency, perhaps as a favor to Ruby and Weiss. |
| 1165 | |
| 1166 | [[WMG:Whitley will reconcile with his sisters]] |
| 1167 | It's heavily implied his jerkass behavior is a way to cope with Jacques' abuse, and now Jacques is... busy somewhere else. Also, after talk with Willow Weiss is feeling guilty, and may want to seek amends. |
| 1168 | * Confirmed, but in Volume 8. In "War", he takes steps to reconcile with Weiss after proving his selflessness. |
| 1169 | |
| 1170 | [[WMG:Salem ''wants'' Ironwood to raise Atlas higher.]] |
| 1171 | Recalling the final scene from Volume 6 where she was summoning now-winged Beringels, Salem is probably setting a trap for Atlas, preparing to intercept the continent at a higher altitude where she and her Grimm horde are waiting. |
| 1172 | * I think Ironwood thought of lauching Atlas into upper atmosphere or in orbit, but YMMV. |
| 1173 | [[/folder]] |
| 1174 | |
| 1175 | [[folder:Volume 8]] |
| 1176 | [[WMG: The Oscar/Ozpin merger will happen this volume]] |
| 1177 | * This seems to be supported in Chapter 9, "Witch". Oscar said that he could feel him and Ozpin merging faster every time they use magic, and given the big magic attack he used at the end of the episode... |
| 1178 | ** [[spoiler:Jossed.]] |
| 1179 | |
| 1180 | [[WMG: Ironwood will die.]] |
| 1181 | [[YouAreInCommandNow And Winter will become general.]] |
| 1182 | * Ironwood's death hypothesis could tie into the chapter 7's "Ironwood and Qrow will die in this volume" theory above. |
| 1183 | * Just Lionheart died because of his cowardice, Ironwood's death could be symbolically linked to his own heartless-ness. Or maybe the stress will cause him to have a heart attack. |
| 1184 | * [[spoiler:Ultimately confirmed. Ironwood dies as Atlas is destroyed.]] |
| 1185 | |
| 1186 | [[WMG:Marrow will join the Heroes]] |
| 1187 | Marrow is the Ace-Ops with the most apparent ConflictingLoyalty, and was the only one of the Ace-Ops to not immediately try to fight Team RWBY or capture them, instead repeatedly aiming to ''talk'' Weiss down. He also has a MeaningfulName, with "Amin" meaning "trustworthy". While the other three will all still follow Ironwood regardless of their feelings, Marrow will be the only one to pick doing what's right over following orders. |
| 1188 | |
| 1189 | * While Marrow hasn't joined Ruby's team yet, he still turned on Ironwood as of "Risk", so half-confirmed. |
| 1190 | |
| 1191 | [[WMG: Alternately Marrow will attempt to join the heroes only to be killed by Ironwood to further demonstrate his fall]] |
| 1192 | |
| 1193 | * Semi-jossed. While Ironwood does try to kill Marrow, Winter arrests him instead, saving his life. |
| 1194 | |
| 1195 | [[WMG:The Heroes will be forced to abandon Atlas and Mantle.]] |
| 1196 | While they may put up a valiant fight, they won't be able to beat Salem and her forces since she effectively controls the flow of the fight. To prevent Salem from getting the Staff of Creation though, the Heroes will be left with no choice but to take whoever has the Winter Maiden powers, presumably Penny still, and flee Atlas, since without the Winter Maiden she can't unlock the vault. They won't like doing it, but it will be the sad truth that they ''can't'' save everyone, and that stopping Salem in the long run for the sake of Remnant requires they abandon Atlas to her wrath and live to fight another day. |
| 1197 | * Yes and no: [[spoiler:Mantle and Atlas are abandoned after the fight, but all the people are evacuated to Vacuo. Also, main Salem's forces are destroyed.]] |
| 1198 | |
| 1199 | [[WMG: Atlas will fall but Mantle will be spared.]] |
| 1200 | * At some point Atlas will fall but be shifted enough that it lands next to Mantle leading to the two acting as equals |
| 1201 | ** If Atlas falls, unless they can find a means to slow their descent, the force of impact will likely kill a large amount of the people of Atlas. In addition, the force of impact will likely cause tremors harsh enough to level Mantle and kill numerous residents. Any survivors, if there ''are'' any, will just be lucky to be alive. |
| 1202 | * Sort of: [[spoiler:Atlas falls, but slow enough to evacuate everyone from both Mantle and Atlas using the Relic.]] |
| 1203 | ** [[spoiler:And then Cinder interrupts evacuation.]] |
| 1204 | |
| 1205 | [[WMG: Team FNKI will defect from Ironwood early on to protect Mantle]] |
| 1206 | * Jossed: They only return to briefly show up in the battle against Salem's forces. |
| 1207 | |
| 1208 | [[WMG: The whale-Grimm will be called Moby-Dick]] |
| 1209 | Goddamn sperm-whale of epic size and equal malice. |
| 1210 | * {{Jossed}}, the official name for the Whale is "Monstra", after ''Monstro'' from ''Pinocchio''. |
| 1211 | |
| 1212 | [[WMG: It's not "just" an enormous Grimm...]] |
| 1213 | It's the Dark God's shrine, now made mobile. |
| 1214 | * Apparently not. At least, there's no indication even when it is destroyed. |
| 1215 | |
| 1216 | [[WMG: Following the fall of Atlas, Whitley will be taken under Salem's wing.]] |
| 1217 | Whitley has always wanted to be loved, but this could easily be twisted and warped by Salem. Salem could easily manipulate Whitley with promises of power and such in exchange for his loyalty (or at least manipulate him into becoming loyal), all as a means of turning him against Weiss and Winter. |
| 1218 | * Jossed: he reconciles with the rest of the family. |
| 1219 | |
| 1220 | [[WMG: Salem's already attacked Vacuo, and has the Sword of Destruction as a back-up.]] |
| 1221 | As Cinder said, Vacuo was supposed to be the next target after Haven. That said, with the CCT down, there's no reason to assume Salem hasn't already attacked Vacuo while the story was focused on Atlas. While her forces in Atlas are considerable, having the Vacuo Relic provides Salem with a fall-back in case Ironwood or Ruby gain the upper hand. |
| 1222 | * They wouldn't have had Vacuo relegated to completely off-screen, and unless Salem somehow found the Summer Maiden using only a bunch of Grimm, Hazel, Mercury, and Emerald, she wouldn't have been able to unlock the Vault. Add on that ''Literature/RWBYAfterTheFall'' and it's sequel ''RWBY: Before the Dawn'' are building CFVY and SSSN's adventure there connecting to the greater plot via ''The Crown'', and it seems foolish to think Salem already has the Sword of Destruction. |
| 1223 | * Jossed. Mercury and Tryian left for Vacuo in Chapter 7. If Salem's forces already attacked, then why would she send them in the middle of invading Atlas? |
| 1224 | |
| 1225 | [[WMG: Atlas will fall this volume]] |
| 1226 | With the majority of the villains converging on Atlas, including Salem breeding a new army of flying beringel Grimm and finally taking to the field herself, it seems like the threat level has taken a step up. The villains also haven't had a solid victory since the Fall of Beacon either, so this would be a good way to raise the stakes, especially with the Relic of Knowledge out of its vault and the Creation Relic being located in Atlas already, it's possible Salem could grab one or both AND take down one of the largest remaining threats left in the world. Not helped by the fact that we now know Atlas is a gigantic flying island, held up by power of the Relic of Creation. Right now dropping it would damage the continent, but raise the power output enough and it rises enough for a ColonyDrop. |
| 1227 | * Sieg Mantle |
| 1228 | * With the reveal of the Staff of Creation being the power source of the city's levitation, and acquiring the relics being the primary objective of Salem's group, this is even more likely to occur. |
| 1229 | * Confirmed: [[spoiler:The Relic is removed and Atlas falls, but the people are evacuated.]] |
| 1230 | ** [[spoiler:And evacuation is interrupted.]] |
| 1231 | |
| 1232 | [[WMG:Alternate fates for Atlas]] |
| 1233 | Instead of it being dropped: |
| 1234 | |
| 1235 | * Destroyed by somehow igniting the dust. Alternatively, there's a giant Grimm in their too somehow, and freeing it rips the island apart. |
| 1236 | * Captured by Salem as a mobile base, likely to launch it at Vacuo for the last Relic. |
| 1237 | ** She now has a mobile base - a big-ass whale-Grimm. |
| 1238 | * It's simply reunited with the continent. Judging from the reveal image, the raised portion fits into the hole next to the city. |
| 1239 | * Rather than try and cause chaos in Atlas through out-and-out destruction, Salem will use the winged Beringel to kill specific people in Atlas, like captains of industry and military leaders, in order to spread fear and destabilize the region. The increasing lack of faith in the citizens and those who rely on Atlas will spread negative emotion for the Grimm to feed on, leading to conventional invasions. |
| 1240 | * Used as a last ditch effort to destroy the whale-Grimm. |
| 1241 | * It's dropped. |
| 1242 | |
| 1243 | [[WMG: Neo will die. ]] |
| 1244 | One of the most important themes in the series is to keep moving forward no matter what happens. The main characters get better by accepting what's happened and don't let the past hold them back. However, Neo hasn’t gotten over Roman's death and is desperate to kill whoever she deems responsible, focusing solely on a past tragedy she can't do anything about. Arguably, not moving forward. |
| 1245 | |
| 1246 | * Neo has just paired up with Cinder, which is probably going to bite her in the ass for a few reasons: |
| 1247 | ** Number one is that Cinder's character development is heading in a direction where she is learning not to needlessly murder people, but to use them as tools. Cinder's alliance with Neo demonstrates she now knows she doesn't have to threaten people into cooperating, as that method ended disastrously with Raven. However, Cinder was taught by Salem, a woman notorious for throwing away anyone who outlives their usefulness. |
| 1248 | ** Their entire alliance also hinges on Neo being able to kill Ruby. Cinder has been ordered by Salem not to kill her so she's letting Neo do it - that way, Ruby dies and she stays in Salem's good graces. However, while that means Neo would get revenge, it also means Salem would be extremely angry with Neo, who would have no protection against her wrath. |
| 1249 | *** Similarly, if Neo, however unlikely, kills Ruby, Cinder may just kill her in turn to please Salem. |
| 1250 | |
| 1251 | * Tyrian and Watts have been sent to Atlas, and both know very well that Salem does not want Ruby dead. Tyrian is psychotically loyal to Salem, so he would undoubtedly kill Neo if he finds out she could threaten Salem's plans. |
| 1252 | |
| 1253 | * It's heavily implied however that Neo is just manipulating Cinder for the sake of getting the opportunity to backstab her. She doesn't stop attacking her when Cinder tries to say Neo isn't the only one with a grudge on Ruby, she went after her first rather than the comparatively weaker Ruby, and she's shown immense frustration with her EnemyMine with Cinder. If anything, Neo is more poised to backstab her, and unless they suddenly decide to kill off the BreakoutCharacter of the series and deal with the backlash, Neo doesn't seem like she'll be dying so easily. |
| 1254 | ** Cinder was still able to get Neo to cooperate with her to get the Relic of Knowledge by promising her she would go after Ruby later, when Neo rebelled against prioritizing Cinder's goals. This means Cinder knows how to control Neo, and even breakout characters can die, like Roman. |
| 1255 | *** Apparently, Neo is just smart and was biding her time. She [[spoiler:blackmails Cinder with the stolen Relic as soon as opportunity arises.]] |
| 1256 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:Neo is dropped into the VoidBetweenWorlds with the RWBY and Jaune, but there's a hint they all survived.]] |
| 1257 | |
| 1258 | [[WMG: Qrow will start to go insane]] |
| 1259 | The Lion died as a coward, and the Tin Man has give up his heart. What does that leave but for the Scarecrow to lose his mind? Perhaps it'll involve grief fueled hallucinations of Clover and Summer, and other people he's lost over the years. |
| 1260 | * He's already fulfilled his inverted allusion though. The Scarecrow wanted a brain? Qrow ''had'' a brain but kept numbing it with booze, and even when he had it, constantly didn't use it in favor of blindly following Ozpin. Only now has he ''started'' to use his brain, so him going insane would just defeat the purpose of how they're developing him. |
| 1261 | * Alternately he'll merely pretend to lose his mind in order to catch Ironwood off guard. |
| 1262 | * [[spoiler:He's still very distraught by Clover's death and thus acts rashly when unchecked, but he keeps his marbles in place.]] |
| 1263 | |
| 1264 | [[WMG: Ruby will have a JerkassRealization about her group's behavior towards Ozpin.]] |
| 1265 | Now that Ruby's been put in Ozpin's shoes by being betrayed for keeping a secret despite her good intentions, she'll start to reflect on what Ozpin went through for thousands of years. This will be the first step towards breaking the cycle of anger and abandonment with forgiveness. |
| 1266 | * While not quite a Jerkass variety, confirmed in "Risk", and the gang forgives Ozpin. |
| 1267 | |
| 1268 | [[WMG: Emerald will finally leave Salem's Faction]] |
| 1269 | Emerald is currently the only villain to show any kind of remorse for her actions, and outright questions if what she's doing is right when Cinder is exiled. WordOfGod is that Salem doesn't know how to specifically manipulate Emerald like she does to control the others and relies solely on fear to keep Emerald in line. Enerald's only reason for following Salem at all is because she cares for Cinder, but Mercury has already put it out in the open that Cinder does not feel the same way and is only using them. This has currently not been followed up on, but could possibly shake Emerald's faith in Cinder. |
| 1270 | * Cinder now has Neo, who is an extremely competent and effective minion for her with a similar power set to Emerald. If Cinder returns to Salem, it is probable she will see Emerald as a worse version of Neo and disregard her, giving proof that she doesn't see anyone as any more than tools. |
| 1271 | * Without a reason to stay in Salem's Faction and stuck with a guilty conscience, Emerald may use the chaos of the upcoming battle to escape, possibly taking Mercury with her or just striking out on her own. |
| 1272 | * [[spoiler:Confirmed as of "Witch"--she pulls a HeelFaceTurn alongside Hazel.]] |
| 1273 | |
| 1274 | [[WMG: Neo vs. Ruby]] |
| 1275 | Neo has completed her end of the bargain with Cinder, having procured the Relic of Knowledge for her. Now, all that's left is to go after Ruby. |
| 1276 | * It's possible Cinder will help in trying to entrap or separate Ruby from her allies but will stay out of the fight itself, so that Neo can finally face Ruby. |
| 1277 | * The probability of Neo killing Ruby is extremely unlikely, though it's possibly Neo may badly injure her. |
| 1278 | ** It's also unlikely for Ruby to kill Neo, though she could wind up defeating her, escaping or badly injuring her. |
| 1279 | * It is possible during the fight Ruby could convince Neo that she isn’t the one who killed Roman and that his death was an accident, though Neo is unlikely to respond well to that, given her anger. |
| 1280 | * [[spoiler:Neo is betrayed by Cinder and forced to share point of arrival with Ruby. Most likely she'll be pressed into alliance.]] |
| 1281 | |
| 1282 | [[WMG: Ozpin is going to give Ironwood a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown]] |
| 1283 | Let's be honest ninety percent of Ironwood's actions and choices, through a mixture of his paranoia, ControlFreak tendencies and refusal to see any fault in his own methods have made things worse for the world and played right into Salem's hands. Trying to kill Oscar was the RageBreakingPoint for Ozpin and when they meet again the general is in for a vicious beatdown, combined with a ReasonYouSuckSpeech that will basically boil down to "you think controlling the biggest, strongest guns entitles you to control the world, let's see how you like being on the receiving end of that philosophy". |
| 1284 | * Oscar whacks him with his cane several times, but he's doing it with the rest of the gang. |
| 1285 | |
| 1286 | [[WMG: Cinder will lose the power of the Fall Maiden]] |
| 1287 | After failing to steal the powers of another Maiden twice Cinder will be desperate to gain even the slightest sliver of magic. So when she runs into Oscar she'll try stealing the magic that he has only for Ozpin to take over and use her arm to reclaim the magic he once gifted away. |
| 1288 | ** For bonus points this will cause Salem to finally forsake Cinder for good, removing her Grimm arm and [[CruelMercy forcing Cinder to stay alive but powerless for her failures]]. |
| 1289 | *** Adding on this Salem coldly tells her "You are NOTHING!" Just like how her abusive stepmother used to. |
| 1290 | ** [[spoiler:Jossed: by the end of the Volume, Cinder is still the Fall Maiden.]] |
| 1291 | |
| 1292 | [[WMG: Ruby and Oscar will have the beginnings of a romance]] |
| 1293 | Once everything is resolved for better or worse they will have a moment where they seem to realize their feelings for one another, not unlike how Ozma and Salem did. |
| 1294 | * Alternatively, Ruby will realize that if she does pursue a relationship with Oscar, she risks becoming corrupted like Salem. That, and she'll come out as {{Robosexual}}, if you know what I mean. |
| 1295 | |
| 1296 | [[WMG: Penny will save the day]] |
| 1297 | Penny will use the Staff of Creation to lower Atlas so it rejoins Mantle and then use the Staff's power to create a shield that not even Salem can break through, saving the entire kingdom and thwarting Salem in one fell swoop. |
| 1298 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:Penny only opens the vault. The Staff is used, but not by her, and instead of shield it creates an evacuation portal network.]] |
| 1299 | |
| 1300 | [[WMG: The Volume will end with everyone leaving for Vacuo]] |
| 1301 | It's possible everyone will split into groups to try to achieve different goals like freeing Qrow and Robyn, saving Mantle and stopping Ironwood. However, Salem has brought an army, and things aren't looking good for the heroes. RWBY and co. will do what they can to minimize the damage, but will ultimately be too underpowered to fight Salem off and will have to hurry to Vacuo to gather the Relic to try to stop her that way. |
| 1302 | * Ruby will be forced to make hard choices concerning the fact that they can't save everyone and what is best decision, trying not to repeat Ironwood and Ozpin's mistakes. She'll have to decide between staying and fighting a likely impossible battle to save Mantle or cutting their losses and trying to slow Salem down by gathering the rest of the Relics. |
| 1303 | * [[spoiler:Semi-jossed. While Ren, Oscar, Nora, Emerald, and Winter are in Vacuo, Team RWBY and Jaune fell through the VoidBetweenTheWorlds.]] |
| 1304 | |
| 1305 | [[WMG: Yang will be getting a new Bumblebee]] |
| 1306 | Yang, Oscar, Jaune, and Ren are given a cache of {{Hover Bike}}s by Pietro and Yang is completely smittened. After commandeering them, Yang goes to perform and nail an airborne corkscrew and her expression clearly shows her having a nostalgic episode. |
| 1307 | |
| 1308 | [[WMG: The Grimm whale will either eat or attempt to eat the airship]] |
| 1309 | Seeing as Penny is based on Pinocchio and Pietro Polendina is based on Gepetto, and the two of them are on an airship together, now guess what happens in the story of Pinocchio? That's right, the ship that Gepetto is on gets eaten by a whale, and after a while, Pinocchio gets eaten as well. Seeing as the show has a lot of references to fairy tales, it would make sense for them to make a reference to the fairy tale and have the Grimm whale either try to eat the airship or have it eat the airship. Leading to an episode in which the main characters try to escape from the belly of the Grimm whale. |
| 1310 | * And Penny will explode it from inside with Maiden's magic. Possibly amplified with Jaune's semblance. |
| 1311 | ** And upon doing so, Penny will become a real girl. |
| 1312 | ** Penny is already a real girl! |
| 1313 | *** I'm talking a real, REAL girl. Like, a flesh-and-blood human being, not a RidiculouslyHumanRobot. |
| 1314 | *** The notion of Penny becoming a real girl is now {{Confirmed}} as of Volume 8 Episode 12. |
| 1315 | *** And no airship for lunch. Poor Monstra, died on empty stomach. |
| 1316 | |
| 1317 | [[WMG:Team RWBY will have an unambiguous loss against Salem by the end of the volume.]] |
| 1318 | Sure, Beacon fell four volumes ago, but there were glimmers of hope through team RNJR staying resolute in their new journey. But here? Atlas could fall, and casualties will come. And all the team can do is morosely head for Vacuo. |
| 1319 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:Salem is defeated this time. Though there are... complications.]] |
| 1320 | * [[spoiler:And then confirmed: Cinder fouls everyone's plans, grabs both relics and drops the gang in the desert/VoidBetweenWorlds.]] |
| 1321 | |
| 1322 | [[WMG:Alternatively, the volume ends with a PyrrhicVictory for the heroes]] |
| 1323 | Even if Jaune's LetsSplitUpGang plan works, Salem's XanatosGambit to capture Oscar, gain the Staff of Creation, and destroy Mantle via a ColonyDrop (and with a lot of casualties to boot) would still give her [[TheBadGuyWins a big win]] and put the heroes in a massive disadvantage, setting up the events of the Vacuo arc in Volume 9. |
| 1324 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:Salem is a DiskOneFinalBoss. The Mantle and Atlas are both abandoned, but all the people are evacuated.]] |
| 1325 | * [[spoiler: Then confirmed: Cinder's last ditch attempt is successfull; the people are evacuated (partially), but the gang is stranded in two different places, SAlem got relics and Atlas is dropped.]] |
| 1326 | |
| 1327 | [[WMG:There will be a problem for the villains if they try claiming the Staff of Creation]] |
| 1328 | Namely that the instant it's removed from the Vault Atlas will start falling, leaving no time for them to actually escape with the Relic. This will be a problem for all of the villains, barring Cinder who will be arrogant enough to believe she can escape or survive because of her Maiden powers. The other villains will try to stop her from taking the Staff so they don't get killed, leading to a battle between all of them. |
| 1329 | * {{Jossed}} it would seem. According to Oscar accessing Ozma's memories, the Staff itself ''can'' be removed from the Vault with no negative repercussions. It's just that the Staff can ''only'' create/power one thing at a time. The minute someone uses the Staff to create/power something else, Atlas will lose the energy holding it up and come crashing down. |
| 1330 | * Jossed on two counts: the above is true, and it's heroes who remove the Staff. |
| 1331 | |
| 1332 | [[WMG:Ruby will deliberately allow herself to be taken in by Salem's forces or pursue Oscar at the end of the arc.]] |
| 1333 | Presumably, even if they somehow saving Atlas and Mantle, Salem will decide to finally do the grunt work herself. Ruby will stay behind to give her friends a chance to escape, or in exchange for them be allowed to leave. Alternatively, Ruby would follow Oscar to Salem's headquarters should she succeeds in capturing him. |
| 1334 | * Jossed: Oscar is rescued by Jaune, Ren, Yang, [[spoiler:Emerald and Hazel.]] |
| 1335 | |
| 1336 | [[WMG:The season finale will be called "Conquer".]] |
| 1337 | Since the first episode is confirmed to be "Divide", the name above could be a suitable candidate. It would make sense in the context of the phrase "Divide and conquer", right? |
| 1338 | * Jossed--instead, it's called "The Final Word". |
| 1339 | |
| 1340 | [[WMG: Penny will get hacked]] |
| 1341 | * In the intro, when the words start glitching, part of Penny's face can be seen. It's first seen with a green and orange outline before her eye turns red followed by the outlines similarly changing and her expression hardening. She's also seen with Pietro standing against a mirror with Watts on the other side typing, and Penny's reflection cracks. |
| 1342 | ** In the shot of Team RWBY and co. standing against Salem and Ironwood's forces, Penny isn't shown fighting with them. Instead, she's shown in the air, facing them as though she's another one of their enemies. |
| 1343 | * Plot-wise, several parties would want control over her, especially Ironwood who has officially JumpedOffTheSlipperySlope and is willing to do unambiguously cruel things to get what he wants. Hacking Penny would be a surefire way to cause problems for Team RWBY and co, and he likely has the resources to do it. |
| 1344 | ** Watts is currently in his custody, so it's possible Ironwood might try to force him to hack into her, though in that case it's likely he'd do it for Salem. If Mantle saw their protector turned against them and Ruby was forced to fight her friend, it would easily benefit Salem's plans and allow her to sow more discord. On the other hand, he might comply just because he knows how far Ironwood has sunk and will be happy to see the [[HeWhoFightsMonsters once high-and-mighty General fall]]. |
| 1345 | * (Different Troper writing) If Penny does get hacked, it will only be her actions that she loses control of. Her thoughts and feelings will be unaffected, meaning [[AndIMustScream she'll be conscious to the fact she's been turned against Ruby]], making her an ApologeticAttacker. Also, her hacking won't last long, as Ruby will either do something that countermands the programming of whoever did it (possibly with a BigDamnKiss, wink wink, nudge nudge), or Penny will have a JourneyToTheCenterOfTheMind and regain free will in time to rescue Pietro from the belly of the Whale Grimm and become a real girl in doing so. |
| 1346 | * Confirmed. |
| 1347 | |
| 1348 | [[WMG: Neo and Emerald will make the Unappreciated Henchgirls Club]] |
| 1349 | |
| 1350 | [[WMG: Qrow was captured by Salem]] |
| 1351 | He was seen doing so in Volume 7's intro. |
| 1352 | |
| 1353 | [[WMG: Councillor Sleet isn't dead.]] |
| 1354 | Ironwood just fired into the air to shut him up. |
| 1355 | |
| 1356 | [[WMG: Nora will die saving Atlas and Mantle.]] |
| 1357 | Two notable events occur in the opening that focus on Nora. Nora turns around to face Ren, and pink lightning flashes across her face. Second, she fails to catch a flower petal that Ren catches when it shows them with their respective teams from the first episode. This could be foreshadowing that Nora will meet her demise, likely in a way similar to her inspiration, Thor. Thor killed the giant serpent Jörmungandr, but was doomed to die from the catastrophic Ragnarok. While there are no signs of a sea serpent so far, Atlas falling into Mantle could count as the cataclysmic event that dooms Nora. |
| 1358 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:She's badly injured but recovers. The petal meant her and Ren's emotional issues, and they start to get through them too.]] |
| 1359 | |
| 1360 | [[WMG: Oscar will convince Neo and Emerald to make a HeelFaceTurn]] |
| 1361 | Emerald has recently been told about how little Cinder cares for her and Cinder has just demonstrated a strong lack of concern. The opening also depicts Emerald reaching for Cinder only to pull away with a look of disappointment. Neo has just repeatedly had the credit for her work stolen by Cinder and used as a tool, with very visible frustration at this treatment plus obvious discomfort at being in Salem's presence. She also may have just lost her opportunity to kill Ruby now that she's been dragged into Salem's Faction. The two girls also appear next to each other in the opening. Oscar has now been captured making him the OnlySaneMan there, and he likely wants to find a way out. A good way to do that would be convincing the girls to help him escape, or in a more altruistic fashion, he could just try to help them see their happiness doesn't depend on serving people who don't care about them. |
| 1362 | * Correction: he's in a middle of convincing Emerald, who was just eavesdropping, and ''Hazel''. Neo isn't loyal to Darkfire to begin with, her alliance with Cinder is a matter of convenience, and she'll backstab or flee them at a [[IncrediblyLamePun drop of hat]]. |
| 1363 | ** [[spoiler: Emerald and Hazel pull a HeelFaceTurn (the latter also dies), and Neo backstabs Salem stealing the lamp.]] |
| 1364 | |
| 1365 | [[WMG: Qrow's focus on killing Ironwood is a BaitAndSwitch; he wants to kill Tyrian.]] |
| 1366 | Qrow said "We can kill the man who put us in here". While that sounds like it alludes to Ironwood, Tyrian is technically the one who "put them in there" by crashing the plan and framing Qrow. Qrow wants to make Ironwood pay, but the line seems ambiguous enough to question who exactly Qrow was talking about. Bonus points if it involves a StabTheScorpion move as a CallBack to Volume 3, and as StealthPun to Tyrian's Faunus trait. |
| 1367 | * ...except he's talking to ''Jacques'' too. And Jacques didn't get stuck there because of Tyrian. |
| 1368 | ** Qrow could simply be referring to only himself and Robyn; it's obvious that neither of them have any care for what happens to Jacques from here on out. |
| 1369 | ** [[spoiler:{{Jossed}}. ''Risk'' makes it explicit that Qrow was talking about killing Ironwood, and fully intended on following through with it once he and Robyn were freed until Robyn read him the riot act and told him YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre.]] |
| 1370 | |
| 1371 | [[WMG: Penny getting hacked won't work out for Ironwood]] |
| 1372 | Because once they get her to the Vault it won't open. The doors only open if the Maiden invokes their power and the hacking will only give control over Penny's physical movements, with there being no way to actually make her invoke magic as that can only be done of a Maiden's own will. |
| 1373 | * Confirmed in title, jossed in details: [[spoiler:Virus could make her open the Vault, but Watts had no intention of helping ''Ironwood''.]] |
| 1374 | |
| 1375 | [[WMG: Cinder is going to screw up the villain's plans again... and Ironwood's]] |
| 1376 | She'll arrive at Amity and with Emerald's Semblance will be able to hide and see that Penny is on her way there, meaning that she just has to lie in wait to claim the power. Just before Cinder can attack her however Penny will get hacked and be under Ironwood's control. Unwilling to let Maiden powers escape her for the third time, Cinder will attack her to try and steal it. This will not only interfere with Ironwood's plans but also Salem's, who will have noticed Penny's movements and sends minions to intercept her. Cinder in her desperation will interfere in her cohorts efforts, which gives just enough time for Penny's free will to be restored. |
| 1377 | |
| 1378 | [[WMG: Salem will have an unequivocal loss by the end of the volume]] |
| 1379 | Let's be honest, as much good as the heroes have done against Salem at best they've just been running damage control that only worked out for them the way it did because of some supremely lucky breaks. Given how much of an InvincibleVillain Salem has been shown as she'll have an inarguable loss by the end of the volume to show just how and why Oz has been to able to fight against her for millennia. |
| 1380 | * Confirmed: [[spoiler:Monstra is destroyed, Grimm army is in disarray, she's scattered to the winds for hours, Hazel and Emerald betray her, Oscar is rescued and the Lamp is stolen by Neo. Cinder is still able to pull a last second sucker punch on heroes and recover some losses, but now it's Salem's time for damage control.]] |
| 1381 | * [[spoiler: Then jossed: she gets both relics, although Jinn is out of answers, Atlas is dropped, Ironwood is dead and the gang is scattered. Watts and Hazel die and Emerald deserts, though.]] |
| 1382 | |
| 1383 | [[WMG: Salem will be the DiscOneFinalBoss of the volume]] |
| 1384 | The heroes will manage to drive her off but they won't be out of the woods quite yet. They'll still have to deal with Ironwood who won't believe things are over and is still dead set on raising Atlas. So the heroes will have to deal with him as the FinalBoss. |
| 1385 | |
| 1386 | * Looks to be confirmed as of the end of "Ultimatum". [[spoiler:While Salem is temporarily gone, Ironwood steps up as BigBad as he threatens Mantle's destruction.]] |
| 1387 | |
| 1388 | [[WMG: The Volume will have a BittersweetEnding]] |
| 1389 | The heroes will save Atlas and Mantle and Salem will be driven off but it won't be a wholesale happy ending. Things will have been said that can't be unsaid and the heroes will be more splintered than before. Ironwood will at best be locked up by the soldiers who once followed and believed in him. The ray of light is that Atlas and Mantle will work to be united once more and take the fight to Salem. |
| 1390 | * Partially confirmed, partially Jossed: [[spoiler:It's a RayOfHopeEnding: the villains mostly win, the two cities are destroyed, but the people are saved and evacuated to Vacuo, united in their refugee status. While the villains think several of the main characters are dead, the audience knows that this mostly untrue.]] |
| 1391 | |
| 1392 | [[WMG: Raven and Taiyang will appear at or near the end of the volume.]] |
| 1393 | One of the primary tasks for the heroes now is getting the Amity Arena airborne so all of Remnant can be finally informed of Salem and the situation in Atlas and Mantle. Raven and Taiyang (who have been absent since the conclusion of Volume 5) will hear the broadcast and get to Mantle via Raven's Semblance. |
| 1394 | * Also hopefully with some reinforcements in tow, such as equally long-absent characters like Port, Oobleck, and Goodwitch. |
| 1395 | ** Confirmed! Tai and Goodwitch both appear in "Amity". Still no Port or Oobleck, though. |
| 1396 | |
| 1397 | [[WMG: Watts is working willingly for Ironwood, but not for Ironwood's benefit.]] |
| 1398 | I think Watts, despite showing the appearance of being tortured into compliance, is actually trying to genuinely hack Penny, but only so he can have her retrieve the relic from the Vault of the Winter Maiden and hand it to Salem, or at least so it can be more easily retrieved by the Hound or one of Salem's minions. |
| 1399 | * Confirmed: he's still working for Salem, and now he managed to reestablish contact with her. Though it's a mystery what exactly he's trying to do so far - the best he could do is to force Penny into reboot. |
| 1400 | ** [[spoiler:His hacking is successfull.]] |
| 1401 | |
| 1402 | [[WMG:The sixth episode, "Midnight", will finally reveal Cinder's backstory.]] |
| 1403 | The title has significance to this villain since Cinder is based off Cinderella. In the original fairy tale, Cinderella went to the ball with the help of a Fairy Godmother, who made her a dress and transport with magic. But, if the clock struck twelve, the magic would disappear. Even the vague episode description lends further credence to this theory, only reading ''"It's time"''. |
| 1404 | * Confirmed. |
| 1405 | |
| 1406 | [[WMG: Mercury will regain his Semblance]] |
| 1407 | The fact that he lost his Semblance was explained back in Volume 6 which is a very weird thing to just leave hanging, especially without telling the audience what it even was. Mercury has also been promoted into Salem's Inner Circle, so having nothing new to show for it would be a bit disappointing. Plus, it's likely within Salem's power to restore his Semblance. |
| 1408 | * Alternatively, he'll die a very shameful death - robbed of his Semblance, hope, dignity, life... |
| 1409 | * He's been PutOnABus for Vacuo with Tyrian, so for this Volume specifically, {{jossed}}. |
| 1410 | |
| 1411 | [[WMG: Lancaster for the rescue]] |
| 1412 | Monstra will be destroyed by Ruby's silver eyes, supercharged by Jaune's semblance. |
| 1413 | * Alternatively, it'll be Sicily (Jaune/Neo), if the latter is a SEW too and will turn traitor on Darkfire (Salem/Cinder) later. |
| 1414 | * Jaune's Semblance enhances ''aura'', and there is no known correlation between Silver Eyes and aura. |
| 1415 | * Jossed: Oscar destroys Monstra using Ozma's cane. |
| 1416 | |
| 1417 | [[WMG:Both Ren and Nora will perish by the end of this volume.]] |
| 1418 | Death flags have been established for the two of them, and many assume that one of them will die. But what if the two die together, possibly in a last stand against an army of Grimm in Atlas? It would be a good opportunity to mirror Kuroyuri's fate. In that instance, everyone but Ren and Nora survived. This time, Ren and Nora would kill the Grimm (And possibly the Hound), but through a {{heroic sacrifice}}, saving the lives of many Mantle citizens. |
| 1419 | * Nora is in no condition to fight after she ''already'' pulled a HeroicSacrifice by frying herself to open the door, Ren ''just'' unlocked his full potential as TheEmpath, and the two of them are main characters who ''weren't'' created to die like Pyrrha was. Death flags mean jack considering ''anything'' can be a death flag, so expecting ''either'' of them to die is asinine. |
| 1420 | * Jossed: alive, though stranded. |
| 1421 | |
| 1422 | [[WMG: Ruby and Cinder will have a more involved fight.]] |
| 1423 | Cinder's already an EvilCounterpart to Ruby but the events of Midnight put it into greater relief. Cinder was told that if she held out until the age of 17 she could take the huntress exam. We don't know how much longer she had to wait when she snapped and killed her abusers. We DO know that Ruby was allowed in two years earlier, meaning that in all likelihood she got the chance Cinder never had. Add in that Ruby had a loving family while Cinder was trapped in misery and the differences become more pronounced. If Cinder hates Ruby now she's going to be absolutely FURIOUS if she realizes this. For bonus points things may even climax in the Glass Unicorn, with Cinder giving a MotiveRant about her goals (complete with BerserkerTears) and why she hates Ruby. |
| 1424 | |
| 1425 | [[WMG: Roman Torchwick is the hound]] |
| 1426 | It is well known that Roman Torchwick is based on the character of Romeo Candlewick from Pinocchio, who gets turned into a donkey. What if, after being eaten by a Grimm at the end of volume 3 his body was found by Salem's forces and brought to her. Who would then proceed to experiment on him, and turning Roman into the Hound. Similar to how the character he was based on got turned into a donkey. |
| 1427 | * [[spoiler: OP here, this has already been jossed]] |
| 1428 | |
| 1429 | [[WMG: Cinder is being used as another Grimm experiment]] |
| 1430 | [[spoiler:It's been confirmed people can be used to create Grimm, as one of the Silver-Eyed Warriors was used to make the Hound.]] Back in Volume 4 Cinder was shown to have been given a Grimm arm in the place of her old one, which over the course of the past few Volumes has been steadily climbing its way up to her shoulder and taking up more and more of her body. It’s possible Salem is using Cinder as a way to create a Grimm with the powers of the Maidens, and since she has control over the limb, she could be waiting for the time when Cinder has collected all the Maiden powers to turn her into a Grimm under Salem's command. However, if this is the case, Salem likely came up with the plan recently, given her sudden change of heart towards allowing Cinder to accumulate the powers of the Maidens. |
| 1431 | |
| 1432 | [[WMG:Watts wants ''everyone'' to lose.]] |
| 1433 | Penny's orders are to open the vault and ''immediately'' self-destruct. Not take the relic back to Salem, but destroy Atlas itself, and possibly the Staff along with it. Without the staff, Salem can no longer win, but she can't lose either, leaving her to kill off the rest of humanity (excluding Atlas, which while pancake itself in the explosion) and exist for eternity alone. All of this is due to a narcissistic desire to get revenge on everyone, allies and enemies, for treating him as less than a god. |
| 1434 | * It's unlikely that the Relic was made to be able to be destroyed by humans. |
| 1435 | |
| 1436 | [[WMG:Summer is the heart of Monstra.]] |
| 1437 | With the revelation that the Hound was a man with silver-eyes, Salem has been experimenting with people. At least those with silver-eyes. So, the power source of such a massive Grimm could be another silver-eyed warrior. That person could be Summer. |
| 1438 | |
| 1439 | [[WMG: Cinder will undergo a redemption arc.]] |
| 1440 | Building on the possibility that Cinder will lose her powers mentioned above....Cinder looses her powers (possibly when Ruby destroys her arm with her Silver Eyes). Salem, having been defeated, coldly abandons Cinder while telling her "You are NOTHING!" This causes her to be well and truly broken. So she gets arrested and taken into custody. The heroes find out about her past (either during the battle or afterwards), and for the first time, Ruby feels.....pity for Cinder. And so, in her optimism and goodness she genuinely reaches out to help her, pointing out that none of her acts of cruelty have really helped her and making a sincere attempt to help her. Cinder would probably react badly, same with Juane, but Ruby insists and due to how crappy things are Cinder reluctantly agrees. Vol 9 and 10 would see her slowly healing and trying to be a better person. |
| 1441 | |
| 1442 | [[WMG: If there is another fight involving Ironwood in the Volume, his opponent will use his neurotransmitter against him.]] |
| 1443 | At this point, either the heroes or Salem's forces could pick a fight with Ironwood over all that he's done and the threat he poses. An interesting part of the General that hasn't been explored much in-universe is that he can only control half of his body because of the neurotransmitter on his forehead. It would be interesting for someone to take advantage of this and render his defenseless, if only for a brief period of time, or someone possibly hack it in an ironic way as he had Watts back Penny. |
| 1444 | |
| 1445 | [[WMG: Watts and Cinder will actually team up.]] |
| 1446 | After how Watts ripped into Cinder, making her realize her flaws, he'll extend an olive branch: while reaffirming that they both work for Salem, if she's willing to work with him, he'll see if he can hack Penny to transfer her powers to Cinder. Going over their options, they arrange to have Neo pose as Ruby and cause enough trouble to provoke Ironwood, drawing out Ruby, then back off for when the possible fighters are spent (and if Ruby winds up collateral, win-win for Cinder and Neo). With Ruby and co. distracted, Watts hacks into Penny again and sends her to the vault, her orders now updated to think of Cinder when she self-destructs. Cinder follows from the shadows to pick off anyone who gets in Penny's way. The only major flaw is that Neo can't replicate Crescent Rose, and uses other weapons instead, something the real Ruby points out to Ironwood. |
| 1447 | * Confirmed: [[spoiler:Watts works with Cinder to trade with Neo for the Lamp.]] |
| 1448 | |
| 1449 | [[WMG: If Neo fought and nearly killed Ruby]] |
| 1450 | She'll either finally talk to deliver a final message, or show Ruby the message on her scroll. That message? "Lie, cheat, steal, and survive." |
| 1451 | * Technically jossed due to cliffhanger, transferred to next Volume. |
| 1452 | |
| 1453 | [[WMG: Ruby will have a ''nuclear meltdown'' near the end of the Volume]] |
| 1454 | Ruby's emotional breakdown will serve as the ''very'' turning point of her CharacterDevelopment and unlike in her teammates' case, the trauma inflicted on her (which may be ''even worse'' than what Salem told her in the previous Volume) would not only be ''catastrophic'', but might also damage her psyche ''beyond repair''. Even if she did recover from that experience, [[NothingIsTheSameAnymore she won't be the "same old Ruby" anymore]]. |
| 1455 | |
| 1456 | [[WMG: Neo will finally learn the truth about Torchwick's death]] |
| 1457 | Neo has been manipulated by Cinder, for several Volumes now, into going after Ruby for killing Torchwick. However, Ruby was actually totally innocent and Torchwick was simply eaten by a nearby Grimm, though Neo was only told by Cinder that Ruby was culprit after Neo tried to kill the Maiden. Neo has no stake in the conflict besides this, and Ruby has no idea why Neo wants to murder her. This will likely culminate in Ruby asking why Neo is doing this and learning the truth, prompting her to explain what really happen and causing Neo to abandon Cinder. |
| 1458 | * Technically jossed due to cliffhanger, transferred to next Volume. |
| 1459 | |
| 1460 | [[WMG: Team [=RWBY=]'s fate after falling into the abyss]] |
| 1461 | Yang being the first to fall into the abyss is [[SpoilerOpening already]] [[{{Foreshadowing}} foreshadowed]] ''as early as the opening of Volume 8'' and the rest of Team [=RWBY=] are next. Since the writers did say Volume 9 would be a different season because it's a "Detour to Vacuo" arc, Team [=RWBY=] are scattered into different places and must fight their way through in order to reunite with each other and escape the abyss. |
| 1462 | * Ruby's bad luck continues in the next volume because she might end up in a VillainWorld (the most likely place would be ''Salem's Domain'') and is on the run from the Grimm attempting to capture her under Salem's orders. This might also serve as her lowest point because while she ''narrowly'' escaped being turned into another Hound (if the Grimm succeeded in capturing her), either on her own or by outside help, [[HeroicBSOD she's so shaken by that experience]] to the point where she's about to cross the DespairEventHorizon until the rest of Team [=RWBY=] snapped her out of it. |
| 1463 | * Continuing the [[FairyTaleMotifs Fairy Tale themes]] of the series, Yang's fall is like Alice falling down the rabbit hole: She'll find herself in "Wonderland" with allusions of the Mad Hatter, Chesire Cat, Red Queen, and perhaps a Jabberwocky Grimm. And the White Queen will turn out to be Summer, who was merely cast into the abyss by Salem, not killed or turned into a Hound like everyone thought. |
| 1464 | * There's also a chance Cinder would fall into the abyss as well, giving Team [=RWBY=] an adversary to deal with in the next volume. For bonus points, Cinder might get further CharacterDevelopment by directly interacting with the titular team (and possibly pulling an EnemyMine with them to get out of the abyss). This can be triggered by either Neo backstabbing her or Salem pulling a YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness on her for asking the last question to Jinn. |
| 1465 | ** Jossed. Neo is backstabbed by Cinder instead. The next volume has her being [[EnemyMine forced to work together with Team [=RWBY=] and Jaune]] should they meet up again. Also doubles as a catalyst of her CharacterDevelopment and an opportunity to reveal her backstory. |
| 1466 | * Alternatively, if Team [=RWBY=] were reunited (either at the end of Volume 8 or the beginning of Volume 9), they would explore the contents of the abyss as well as the history of Remnant, different timelines, [=STRQ=] and Cinder's backstory, Salem's weakness, and of course, what happened to Summer. |
| 1467 | * If Team RWBY falls together and ends up in the same place have to trek across in order to get to Vacuo, maybe they will end up on that unknown dragon-shaped continent north of Vacuo and west of Vale. Team RWBY must learn to work together more as fully-fledged huntresses as they discover the Humans, Faunus, and Grimm residing in this place. |
| 1468 | * Team RWBY's falling in the intro makes sense because Oscar and Ozpin mentioned the story of "The girl who fell through the world": Once they fell, CharacterDevelopment kicks in for all of them in the next volume, and by the time they reached Vacuo, they're already enlightened, possibly ''beyond'' mortal understanding. |
| 1469 | * On a side note, killing a main character would abruptly end the series. If the writers had the guts to do it, then it would be similar to [[VideoGame/GodOfWar "Kratos being killed off, and then coming back to life by escaping hell".]] |
| 1470 | |
| 1471 | [[WMG: Cinder, Watts and Neo will be punished for using the last question.]] |
| 1472 | Salem made it clear she wanted to use the Lamp to ask Jinn a question. Having that question spent on finding out Team RWBY's plan might have been helpful in the moment, but they still took away Salem's opportunity, on top of having it stolen by Neo to begin with. Salem will ''not'' be happy and will act accordingly, assuming one of them doesn't fall into the abyss or kick the bucket in the meantime. |
| 1473 | * Jossed: [[spoiler:Watts is dead, Neo is gone. Cinder may be punished later, though.]] |
| 1474 | |
| 1475 | [[WMG: Salem knew that Cinder lied to her about the Lamp]] |
| 1476 | Cinder has notably different body language when she's actually afraid of Salem's punishment and when she's lying, and [[ManipulativeBitch Salem]] is the exact person who would pick up on that. More to the point, she asks Cinder what she used the Staff for, and Cinder answers, inadvertantly revealing that she knows the password to the Staff which she couldn't have gotten without asking Jinn. Salem let it go because she didn't want to tear Cinder down further when she's finally returned to full strength and cunning, but will be holding onto the lie for the moment she can use it to her greatest advantage. |
| 1477 | |
| 1478 | [[/folder]] |
| 1479 | |
| 1480 | [[folder:Volume 9]] |
| 1481 | |
| 1482 | [[WMG: If Neo fought and nearly killed Ruby]] |
| 1483 | She'll either finally talk to deliver a final message, or show Ruby the message on her scroll. That message? "Lie, cheat, steal, and survive." |
| 1484 | ** [[spoiler:Neo doesn't end up using that phrase, instead Ruby is DrivenToSuicide by Neo breaking her down with reminders of all her failures and all the people that have died because of them.]] |
| 1485 | |
| 1486 | [[WMG: Neo will finally learn the truth about Torchwick's death]] |
| 1487 | Neo has been manipulated by Cinder, for several Volumes now, into going after Ruby for killing Torchwick. However, Ruby was actually totally innocent and Torchwick was simply eaten by a nearby Grimm, though Neo was only told by Cinder that Ruby was culprit after Neo tried to kill the Maiden. Neo has no stake in the conflict besides this, and Ruby has no idea why Neo wants to murder her. This will likely culminate in Ruby asking why Neo is doing this and learning the truth, prompting her to explain what really happen and causing Neo to reconsider. |
| 1488 | |
| 1489 | [[WMG:Potential side stops for Team RWBY on the way to Vacuo?]] |
| 1490 | If all four members of Team RWBY fall into the void between worlds from the portal and have to work their way out of somewhere to get to Vacuo, where might they go along the way? |
| 1491 | * Somewhere where they could have a long-awaited BeachEpisode or HotSpringsEpisode... |
| 1492 | * TheUnderworld they have to escape from where they run into dead characters like Roman Torchwick, [[TheLostLenore Pyrrha Nikos]], Adam Taurus and others whom they learned about from their friends... |
| 1493 | * [[Literature/AlicesAdventuresInWonderland Wonderland]] where we see counterparts to the Cheshire Cat, White Queen, Red Queen/Queen of Hearts, Mad Hatter and a Jabberwocky Grimm they have to fight before they can escape... |
| 1494 | |
| 1495 | [[WMG:Volume 9 would be a TrappedInAnotherWorld arc]] |
| 1496 | Since the writers mentioned about Volume 9 "a short and completely different season", here's a list of possible outcomes from the previous volume: |
| 1497 | * The story would take place in an amalgamation of Wonderland, Neverland, and Midgard (as seen in TheStinger). |
| 1498 | * The first few chapters of Volume 9 begins with a PartyScattering, with Ruby and Blake being the first characters to be revealed. |
| 1499 | * Ruby would spend the majority of Volume 9 without her Crescent Rose until near the finale. |
| 1500 | * As for Jaune, since the sword of his Crocea Mors broke, he's on a quest to find a new one. The ''[=RWBY=]'' equivalent of the Vorpal Sword would serve as its replacement. |
| 1501 | * Since Neo fell into the abyss due to Cinder's treachery, an EnemyMine with Team [=RWBY=] and Jaune as a means to get back at the Fall Maiden is her only option. The heroes might end up befriending Neo and learning her backstory. |
| 1502 | * Blake is confirmed to be bi, so this would be the best time to tell Yang (and anyone else present by extension) that she ''is'' her LivingEmotionalCrutch (which may the reason behind Blake's screaming for her in the previous volume). Bonus points if Blake has ''romantic'' feelings for Yang, sealing their relationship with a kiss. |
| 1503 | * Weiss would serve the meditator between the rest of the heroes and Neo, who are at odds with each other for the majority of the volume. On a side note, Weiss comforting Jaune over Penny's ThanatosGambit might trigger a romance subplot between them. |
| 1504 | * If Volume 9's premise would be similar to "The girl who fell through the world" Oscar and Ozpin mentioned, expect the heroes and Neo to TakeALevelInBadass. |
| 1505 | * Ruby will have [[HeroicBSOD an epic emotional breakdown]] due being unable to suppress her emotions any longer as a result of being stranded in the VoidBetweenTheWorlds with no known possiblity of escape, Penny's ThanatosGambit, and the destruction of both Atlas and Mantle to the point of crossing the DespairEventHorizon and almost being DrivenToSuicide. This would not only serve as the ''very'' turning point of her CharacterDevelopment, but also her most emotionally powerful moment. |
| 1506 | * The escape route to Remnant would be the "Beanstalk", and the final opponent of Volume 9 would be the Jabberwocky. There is also a possiblity that the Jabberwocky is a powerful Grimm Salem sent to finish off the heroes and Neo while they're stuck in another world. |
| 1507 | * The Volume ends with the heroes and Neo making their way back to Remnant, only to end up being attacked by the Grimm horde, and then quickly rescued by either Team [=RWBY=]'s allies or the Huntsmen occupying Vacuo after finding them. |
| 1508 | * Overall, Volume 9 is basically the DarkerAndEdgier version of Volume 4: The volume is about Team [=RWBY=], Jaune, and Neo TrappedInAnotherWorld and in [[CharacterDevelopment a journey to "find themselves"]] while [[FiveStagesOfGrief coping up with]] [[TheMourningAfter the death of those who are precious to them]] (Penny and Pyrrha for heroes, Torchwick for Neo). This would also serve as a nice epilogue to the Atlas arc. |
| 1509 | Somewhat confirmed: Team RWBY, Jaune and Neo end up in the "Ever After", the world featured in the In-universe fairy tale "The Girl Who Fell Through The World" and spend the season trying to get to the tree so they can return to Remnant. The world itself alludes to both Wonderland and Looking-Glass World. |
| 1510 | |
| 1511 | [[WMG: Team RWBY, Jaune, and Neo falling into the VoidBetweenTheWorlds has a symbolic meaning]] |
| 1512 | If the viewers are smart enough to compare their falling to Alice's falling in ''Literature/AlicesAdventuresInWonderland'', here are the following allusions to that novel's characters: |
| 1513 | * Yang: Alice (The blonde hair) |
| 1514 | * Ruby: The Red Queen (Her ColorMotifs) |
| 1515 | * Blake: Cheshiere Cat (She's a cat Faunus) |
| 1516 | * Weiss: The White Queen (Her ColorMotifs) |
| 1517 | * Jaune: White Rabbit (Wears a shirt with a rabbit's head on it) |
| 1518 | * Neo: Mad Hatter (CuteAndPsycho with a hat) |
| 1519 | In addition, all six named characters lost someone dear to them. Volume 9 will address this as one of the key plot points. |
| 1520 | |
| 1521 | [[WMG: While in the abyss, Team RWBY will discover there there is a method for bringing someone back to life.]] |
| 1522 | Thing is, not only has Salem been seeking it for ages, it only works once. With this information, Ruby will be presented with a SadisticChoice as to who to bring back: Penny, Pyrrha, or Summer. Of course, if the above theory about Summer being the White Queen equivalent turns out to be true, then it'll just be down to Penny and Pyrrha, unless Ruby finds a loophole that allows both to be resurrected, possibly a combination of the two in one body. |
| 1523 | |
| 1524 | [[WMG: Neo's role in Volume 9]] |
| 1525 | * '''Neo learning the AwfulTruth''': Neo has been after Ruby since Volume 6, having initially believed Cinder murdered Torchwick before the Maiden tricked her into believing Ruby was responsible. Ruby has recently brought up the fact that she has no idea why Neo wants her dead, and they have both fallen into wherever the void leads. Team RWBY is unlikely to go out of their way to kill Neo, so there's a perfect opportunity for Neo to somehow get across her reasons for wanting to kill Ruby and for Ruby to finally reveal to Neo that Torchwick was killed by a passing Grimm and Cinder lied to her. [[VillainousBreakdown Neo would take this very badly,]] [[VillainousBSOD possibly to the point of breaking down into tears after hearing this.]] |
| 1526 | * '''Neo's DarkAndTroubledPast''': Whatever happened to her, most likely she had it rough before meeting Torchwick. Mutual understanding of this and Torchwick's actual fate will open a possibility to go from EnemyMine to WorthyOpponent or even a RedemptionQuest. |
| 1527 | * '''Neo's EnemyMine with the heroes''': Along with Team RWBY and Jaune, Neo is almost definitely stuck wherever it is everyone fell. She's also been betrayed by Cinder who effectively tried to murder her by casting her into the void, and tricked Neo into trying to kill Ruby by lying about how Torchwick died. This presents not only the option of an EnemyMine situation with the heroes, but also a motive for Neo to work with them beyond survival. She now has a ''very good reason'' to switch sides and is trapped in the same situation as Team [=RWBY=] and Jaune. |
| 1528 | * '''Neo's [[HazyFeelTurn change of]] [[HeelFaceTurn allegiance]]''': Combining the idea of EnemyMine and learning the AwfulTruth, it could altogether lead to Neo being befriended by the heroes and [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone realizing she was wrong the whole time]]. If this does happen, then hypnotically once they all get back Vacuo, Neo might be offered a SadisticChoice (probably from Salem since Cinder already betrayed Neo ''twice'') to come back to the villains' inner circle, only for Neo to ultimately shot it down and instead joining forces with Ruby's group, though she makes it clear that she's ''only'' doing this out of vengeance and has no problems being a WildCard after the villains are finally dealt with. |
| 1529 | |
| 1530 | [[WMG: Once Salem learns the truth about Cinder's lies, she will severely punish/torture her for what she has done.]] |
| 1531 | Assuming RWBY and co. manage to escape wherever they are and return to Vacuo by the end of the Volume, the ''moment'' Salem learns of their survival, she's going to reach a RageBreakingPoint for Cinder and put the latter in her place. While she might be lenient since Cinder recovered two Relics, finding out that Ozpin's source of hope survived and that Cinder covered her own faults, there's no way she isn't going to get what’s coming to her. |
| 1532 | |
| 1533 | [[WMG: The new world will have completely different monsters than the Grimm.]] |
| 1534 | Team RWBYJ and Neo did fall into another dimension after all. There's no reason to think that the Grimm have spread here too. Instead, there will be a completely different set of monsters for the heroes and Neo to contend with. It'll be a nice surprise for the heroes, refreshing for the audience and give the writers the freedom to come up with non-grimm related threats. |
| 1535 | * Confirmed. Instead of the Grimm, the Ever After has the Jabberwalker. |
| 1536 | |
| 1537 | [[WMG: Neo will get a [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown brutal]] [[TheReasonYouSuck comeuppance]] for trusting Cinder.]] |
| 1538 | Neo is now stuck in a strange world alone with five people who hate her guts. Since Team RWBY specializes in team strategies and Neo can only take on so many people working together by herself, they might fare a better chance at breaking her Aura than the others. Once they learn the reason behind her actions, they'll point out how dumb it was for her to take someone as manipulative and ruthless as Cinder at her word. This would match the CatharsisFactor that Maria beating Neo provided and help encourage an EnemyMine if it comes down to it. |
| 1539 | |
| 1540 | [[WMG: Team RWBY and Jaune will meet the souls of the dead.]] |
| 1541 | Either they'll enter the realm of the dead but be able to leave due to having entered without dying or they'll arrive at the crossroads. This will allow them to interact with those who died. Here is a list of possible characters appearing in the volume: |
| 1542 | * Pyrrha: This would allow the fans to see a favorite return, and it would also allow Jaune to finally forgive himself and move on. |
| 1543 | * Penny: It would show that Penny has indeed become a real girl, and she could also help Ruby forgive herself by assuring her that it wasn't her fault. |
| 1544 | * Summer: Firstly, it would allow us to finally meet her, and it would assure Ruby that Summer is not the hound. Summer could also (like Penny) give her daughter a pep talk to face her doubts and realize that while she can't change the past, she has to keep moving forward. |
| 1545 | * Torchwick: If Neo is with Team RWBY and Jaune as a tagalong TokenEvilTeammate, Torchwick will explain to her the ''actual'' circumstances that ultimately led to his death, giving her enough motivation to form an EnemyMine with them to get back at Cinder so she could finally move on. |
| 1546 | * Rhodes: Team RWBY has to fight Cinder again the next time they meet (possibly over the final Relic), and Jaune also asked Cinder what made her so broken inside. Meeting Rhodes could allow them to finally learn Cinder's past, and understand why she became the way she is. Rhodes would probably express regret for not doing more for her, and asks them to tell Cinder that he's sorry that he didn't do more, and that he still cares for her. When they returned to Remnant and confront Cinder again, Ruby would bring this up (prompting Cinder to experience both shock and rage). |
| 1547 | ** All jossed. While initially assumed to be the afterlife, it soon becomes clear that the Ever After is in fact the setting of one of Remnant’s most popular fairy tales. |
| 1548 | |
| 1549 | [[WMG: The woman in front of the fire is a blacksmith.]] |
| 1550 | The mysterious woman in the front of the fire from the Volume 9 trailer, is not only a warrior but also a blacksmith that would probably help Team RWBY and Jaune either upgrade their weapons or make new ones for them. Ruby would hand the green blade that Penny made to the woman and would use it to make a new powerful weapon for Ruby to use. |
| 1551 | * Confirmed, but jossed on Ruby handing Penny’s sword to her to make it a new weapon. |
| 1552 | |
| 1553 | [[WMG: Penny isn't truly dead.]] |
| 1554 | When Ambrosius made a separate Penny, he expressed concern over ''what'' exactly Penny would be left as, since she'd be "a soul without a complete body". When she does appear, a brief shot from Virus!Penny's perspective shows she appeared to be made ''entirely'' of aura, in effect making her a soul with a false body comprised of aura. Ambrosius didn't make anything for her specifically, hence why she remained while Virus!Penny disintegrated when the Staff was used again. Aura is a manifestation of the soul, and Penny's soul is bound to the powers of the Winter Maiden. When she "died", she gave the powers to Winter, her soul merging with hers, and even repeating the words that Winter once said to her: "[she's] a part of [her] now." Because of the fact that Ambrosius specifically outlined he had no idea ''what'' would happen with Penny, this is gonna be plot relevant down the line. And because she was technically already a soul with an aura shell, when she merged with Winter, she didn't ''die'', rather she became a literal piece of Winter. She's going to become a sapient aura of sorts, possibly a voice in Winter's head, but she'll still live on ''inside'' of Winter. Literally. |
| 1555 | * And when Ruby finds out, she'll do everything in her power to put Penny back into a proper body of some kind, even if it's another robot body that would put Penny back at square one. She'll become so obsessed with doing so that she'll come ''dangerously'' close to a FaceHeelTurn or even [[TemporarilyAVillain fight her friends]]; in either case, it will be revealed that Ruby had fallen in love with Penny. |
| 1556 | |
| 1557 | [[WMG: Ruby will have [[Literature/SwordArtOnline a Kirito-style]] [[DespairEventHorizon breakdown]] and undergo [[Series/TheWalkingDead a Rick Grimes-style]] [[CharacterDevelopment character transformation]]]] |
| 1558 | The first sneak peek for Volume 9 ends with Ruby waking up in a mysterious beach with two suns before setting off on her own, likely in the direction of the giant tree. This is how her CharacterDevelopment would (possibly) play out: |
| 1559 | * As she's exploring the island, she would learn the AwfulTruth, either from Jaune after finding him and the rest of Team RWBY, or finding Penny's dead body, which could finally trigger her long-awaited ''nuclear meltdown'' first by entering a massive HeroicBSOD over her failures in Atlas, then cross the DespairEventHorizon that would damage her psyche (possibly beyond what her friends can repair even if she recovered on an emotional and spiritual level), and finally [[DrivenToSuicide attempting to take her own life]] until her friends [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan talk her out of it]] and [[CooldownHug comfort her]]. |
| 1560 | * The way she would shed tears and grieve while being comforted by her friends would either be silent TenderTears like [[Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica Madoka Kaname]], or a loud ''soul-crushing'' wail like [[Manga/FullMetalAlchemist Winry Rockbell]]. The latter would be more emotionally powerful if it's chosen as how Ruby would grieve. |
| 1561 | * As the Volume progress, Ruby would learn something while exploring the island and [[FiveStagesOfGrief struggling to find herself and leave the past behind]]. For bonus points, a denizen of the island would show up and guide Ruby and her friends to the giant tree, where they would meet either a greater denizen or the Brother Gods as the final step of Ruby's CharacterDevelopment. |
| 1562 | * At the end of the Volume, by the time Ruby and her friends went back to Remnant, she has changed for the better ''and'' for worse, just like in "The Girl who Fell from the World" Ozpin mentioned: While she still keeps her idealism, she's [[TookALevelInJerkass not as sweet]] [[GoodIsNotSoft or soft]] as back then, knows there are people who can or can't be reasoned with, and is willing to [[PragmaticHero get her hands dirty]] [[GainingTheWillToKill and kill]] as a means to protect and save someone (her friends in particular), if not everyone. |
| 1563 | |
| 1564 | [[WMG:Penny will, somehow, return to life]] |
| 1565 | The main reason why I think this stems from her very inspiration: [[Literature/TheAdventuresOfPinocchio Pinocchio]]. Some characters from that book got adapted into RWBY, such as Pinocchio himself (Penny), Geppetto (Pietro), Candlewick/Lampwick (Torchwick), the Blue Fairy (Fria and possibly Ambrosius), and arguably Mangiafuoco/Stromboli (Watts). However, there are some ''Pinocchio'' characters that have ''not'' been adapted into the show yet. These include the Fox and the Cat, the Coachman, Maestro Cherry, and most importantly, Jiminy Cricket. |
| 1566 | |
| 1567 | It's rather odd that these characters would not be adapted into ''RWBY'' proper prior to Volume 8's finale, where the Pinocchio stand-in died. Additionally, there's also the fact that we have Monstra, based off of Monstro the whale from the [[WesternAnimation/{{Pinocchio}} Disney adaptation of the book]]--and Penny never interacted with that Grimm, despite them being adversaries in the film. |
| 1568 | |
| 1569 | Not to mention, the Blue Fairy actually took pity on Pinocchio when he seemingly died during the book and brought him back to life--so maybe Ambrosius could take pity on Penny and create something to bring her back to life? And there's also the theory that Ambrosius commented that Penny would be left a soul without a body, as stated above, so he could create another, more durable body for her. I'm not sure if Ambrosius can call people from between realms like the God of Light did in Volume 6, but it could harken back to Penny's origin story. |
| 1570 | |
| 1571 | The point is, Penny could be brought back to life so the rest of the characters from ''Pinocchio'' could be officially adapted into ''RWBY''. It would honestly feel weird if they adapted Jiminy Cricket into the story, without the Pinocchio stand-in to act as a conscience to. |
| 1572 | |
| 1573 | And there's also the fact that there were some throwaway lines in the first couple of volumes in ''RWBY'' that could hint at something even bigger in play for Penny (Penny's driver noting that "her time [would] come" in Volume 1's finale, and Penny herself mentioning that she'd have to save the world one day in Volume 2)--both of which didn't come to fruition yet. |
| 1574 | |
| 1575 | [[WMG:Going along with the above theory of Penny returning to life, Penny will be The Girl That Fell Through the World]] |
| 1576 | This theory stems from Ozpin's brief summary of the story in the episode "Risk": "A young girl flees the consequences of a choice, to a magical place. But, having never learned from her initial failure, she only succeeds in spreading it." This summary could sum up Penny's current predicament and the possibility of her return: |
| 1577 | |
| 1578 | 1. "A young girl flees the consquences of a choice": Penny made a crucial choice in the Volume 8 finale--transfer the Winter Maiden's powers over to Winter. The consequences of that choice is that she died in doing so. If she's somehow brought back to life, she's basically fleeing from the consequences of her choice. |
| 1579 | |
| 1580 | 2. "To a magical place": Of course, this would allude to the world we saw in TheStinger of Volume 8 and the preview of Volume 9. Note that Penny's corpse possibly fell through the world along with Jaune when Ambrosius's pathway was undone. |
| 1581 | |
| 1582 | 3. "But, having never learned from her initial failure": Penny failed in doing two things--doing her part of the plan to head to Vacuo, and failing to maintain her new mortal body mere moments after obtaining it. |
| 1583 | |
| 1584 | 4. "She only succeeds in spreading it": Ruby will no doubt learn what happened to Penny. Her reaction to Penny's failure is probably not going to be pretty (an above WMG theory used the term "nuclear meltdown" to describe Ruby's reaction, which could be accurate), which would possibly succeed in instilling Ruby and her allies with the fact that they all failed in their mission. |
| 1585 | |
| 1586 | If this summary does indeed symbolize Penny's second death and return to life, one of Volume 9's plotlines could be about Penny learning from her past mistakes, ultimately changing her (just as how Oz indicated that the girl in the fairy tale wasn't the same girl anymore after returning to Remnant). |
| 1587 | |
| 1588 | And as a side note, if Penny and her friends manage to return to Remnant by the end of this volume, she could be saddened when she leaves the new world she and her friends fell through, like the girl in the fairy tale. That could allow her to have a rather emotional moment, harkening back to the line "And is this what "all the feels" means?" in the song "Friend", right down to saying the line in question. |
| 1589 | |
| 1590 | * Implied to be jossed as of the Volume 9 teaser; it heavily implies that the Girl Who Fell Through the World is actually Ruby. |
| 1591 | ** Confirmed to be jossed since both Roman Holiday and Volume 9 state the girl's name was Alyx. |
| 1592 | |
| 1593 | [[WMG: Volume 9 might be Neo's final run as an antagonist]] |
| 1594 | Judging by the first sneak peek for Volume 9, Neo's vengeance towards Ruby would reach it apex by the time she encountered Team RWBY and Jaune again on the island. There are two possible scenarios for Neo's final confrontation against them: |
| 1595 | * '''If Neo goes out in a blaze of glory''': Assuming that Neo can't be reasoned with and must be put down due to being too consumed by her own rage and hatred, she would likely meet her end at the hands of Ruby. If this happens, her last moments would play out like either of these: Either 1) Neo would give a [[DefiantToTheEnd defiant glare]] at Ruby as if she was saying [[DyingDeclarationOfHate "Don't even think you've already won, you worthless scum! My soul will keep on haunting you for eternity!"]] before succumbing to her injuries. This would traumatize an already broken Ruby even further, similar to how Blake broke down after slaying Adam with Yang. 2) Neo would learn the AwfulTruth from Ruby, resulting with Neo undergoing a VillainousBreakdown and a HeelRealization over being Cinder's UnwittingPawn before [[DriventoSuicide taking her own life]] out of [[DespairEventHorizon losing the will]] [[AllForNothing to live]]. Or 3) At the end of the fight, Ruby would tearfully ask a mortally wounded Neo why she wants to get back at Ruby so badly, only for Neo to respond by changing to Torchwick, revealing that he was her [[LivingEmotionalCrutch "One Thing"]] and Ruby "killing" him is the catalyst of her quest for vengeance. Ruby tells her the AwfulTruth, resulting with Neo realizing that Cinder manipulated her all along and breaking down into tears. Before succumbing, Neo changed to Cinder as a way of asking Ruby to punish the Fall Maiden (or kill, if possible) in her place as payback for what happened to Torichwick and using her, which Ruby agreed to do so (only because Cinder is too dangerous to live, not out of vengeance for Pyrrha and Penny). Neo would then express her final thoughts of [[TogetherInDeath wanting to be with Torchwick in the afterlife]]. |
| 1596 | * '''If Neo is spared at the end of her final confrontation with Ruby''': Assuming that Ruby told Neo about what ''really'' happened to Torchwick (after trying to reason with her), with her friends backing her up (if either of them are with her), Neo would angrily deny the truth, only for Ruby to point out that killing the Silver-Eyed Huntress would not only cause the rest of Team RWBY and Jaune to [[CycleOfRevenge go out for her blood]], but also make her [[VengeanceFeelsEmpty feel empty]] as well. Concluding that Cinder was just using her the whole time (including lying to her over what happened to Torchwick) and her {{Revenge}} is rendered moot, Neo expresses frustration over it while grieving for Torchwick after a [[InterruptedSuicide failed suicide attempt]]. Ruby or Jaune would try to comfort a still-broken Neo while telling her that they've lost their "One Things" (Pyrrha and Penny) too. Depending on who would sway Neo to Team RWBY and Jaune's side, this how it would play out: Either 1) Jaune would tell Neo that he knows how she really feels because he went through the same thing too, recalling the events of Volumes 4 and 5 (This would only happen if Ruby is with Jaune). Or 2) Ruby would convince Neo to let go of the past and keep living for Torchwick's sake before promising her that they'll get back at Cinder together for the deaths of their "One Things". Neo reluctantly agrees and forms an EnemyMine with Team RWBY and Jaune as their TokenEvilTeammate in the same vein as [[Series/TheWalkingDead Negan Smith]], though this does ''not'' mean she'll immediately pull a HeelFaceTurn due to her criminal lifestyle and she has her own reasons for doing so. |
| 1597 | |
| 1598 | [[WMG: Related to Neo's "blaze of glory" moment, Trivia Vanille of the ''Roman Holiday'' book would be reintroduced after her "Neo" self would [[KilledOffForReal meet her end]].]] |
| 1599 | This would only happen ''if'' her "Neo" self goes out of control (most likely due to being too mindlessly focused on attempting to kill Ruby), forcing anyone in Team RWBY or Jaune to put her down. And as a result, only Trivia remained, but she retains the memories of her "Neo" self. |
| 1600 | |
| 1601 | [[WMG:Volume 9 would be the shortest Volume, even shorter than Volume 2.]] |
| 1602 | Since the production crew did mentioned that Volume 9 is a "short detour" of a volume and Joe Clary (RT co-head animator) said on Twitter that it is set to air on 2022 (with the exact dates unknown due to TroubledProduction caused by the pandemic from 2020), this might be the case. It would only last for 7-10 episodes. |
| 1603 | |
| 1604 | * Somewhat confirmed: Volume 9 will be 10 episodes long. |
| 1605 | |
| 1606 | [[WMG:Penny will return as a spirit, and guide Ruby through her grief.]] |
| 1607 | Based on the implication that Penny wasn't changed into a flesh-and-blood human, but rather an aura-based humanoid, she will instead return a spirit that is bound to the world of the dead. When she sees Ruby desperate to revive her and in the middle of the complete breakdown that's heavily theorized, Penny will be the one to bring her friend back to her senses and help her accept the cycle of death. While Ruby might be permanently changed (and [[TookALevelInCynic lose some of her idealism]] [[TookALevelInJerkass and sweetness]] for good measure) by the events of the volume, Penny's guidance will help her come to terms with her pent up feelings and renew her resolve to fight for Remnant. This plot line will serve as the opposite of Salem's StartOfDarkness when she couldn't move past Ozma's demise. |
| 1608 | |
| 1609 | * Jossed. Penny does make an appearance, but only as an illusion created by Neo to break Ruby. |
| 1610 | |
| 1611 | [[WMG:If team RWBY and Jaune leave the VoidBetweenTheWorlds, [[YearOutsideHourInside it will turn out that more time has passed outside]].]] |
| 1612 | Ambrosius did warn our heroes not to fall from the Vacuo pathways back in Volume 8. And the way he said it was a far cry from his jovial personality before, meaning that there has to be severe consequences for going to a place that was never meant to be entered. Even if the heroes are able to escape their predicament, they will find out that a TimeSkip has passed outside (the worst case scenario would be ''five years''). This could mean that Qrow and Winter's groups would ''still'' believe that team RWBY and Jaune are either missing or dead. And to make matters even worse, Remnant is in complete chaos as a result of Salem's Grimm horde destroying 3/4ths of it, with Vacuo the only continent left untouched. |
| 1613 | |
| 1614 | * Possibly confirmed. The Blacksmith states that the portal she summons will take them ''when'' they are needed most rather than where they are needed, though it is never specified just how long they've been gone. |
| 1615 | |
| 1616 | [[WMG:The mysterious island will [[EmpathicEnvironment react towards any person's emotions]].]] |
| 1617 | Perhaps our heroes find themselves battling seemingly unstoppable monsters and terrible weather conditions, before realizing that they themselves are the cause of it all. The worst of it could come from Ruby and Jaune, who suffered the most from the fights at the Vacuo pathways. |
| 1618 | |
| 1619 | * Confirmed: It is shown to start raining around Ruby whenever she is sad. |
| 1620 | |
| 1621 | [[WMG:The ArcWords for this volume would be [[InTheEndYouAreOnYourOwn "There is no victory in bonds,]] [[ThePowerofHate only malice"]].]] |
| 1622 | Cinder would say this first (and this is [[KickTheDog addressed]] [[KickThemWhileTheyAreDown this]] [[BadassBoast to Ruby]], whom she tossed into the mysterious island with two suns, no less) in response to [[TheBadGuyWins her big win]] at and the end of the previous volume and is partially right when Ruby has gone off the deep end until either of her friends or the spirit of Penny/Summer [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan snapped her out of it]]. |
| 1623 | * Jossed. |
| 1624 | |
| 1625 | [[WMG:Volume 9's key themes would be [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption failure,]] [[DespairEventHorizon loss,]] [[FiveStagesOfGrief and parting (through acceptance)]].]] |
| 1626 | Lindsay Jones (Ruby's VA) mentioned in one of the interviews that Ruby would later get her own "breaking point" and this volume covers her FiveStagesOfGrief and [[CharacterDevelopment subsequent transformation]] into a DarkerAndEdgier character, which alludes to the proverb [[TookALevelInJerkass "every rose has its thorn"]]. |
| 1627 | |
| 1628 | * Partly confirmed, though Ruby herself doesn't become a darker and grittier character, choosing to remain more or less the way she is now (minus feelings of self-loathing.) |
| 1629 | |
| 1630 | [[WMG: The episode names for this volume are based on human trauma, sadness and how to overcome them.]] |
| 1631 | If these key themes are confirmed for Volume 9, then the episode names would be "Fear", "Failure", "Wilt", "Denial", "Madness", "Anguish", "Price", "Despair", "Tears", "Acceptance", and so on, fitting with the series' themes of "moving forward". These episode names would also reflect on [[CharacterDevelopment the progress of Ruby's development into a]] DynamicCharacter in this volume and the lyrics of "Red Like Roses". |
| 1632 | |
| 1633 | * Jossed: The episode titles have nothing to do with Human Trauma, Sadness and how to overcome them. Instead, they are alliterative in order to create a sense of whimsy. |
| 1634 | |
| 1635 | [[WMG: There is a (significant) chance that Neo will be written off at the end of Volume 9.]] |
| 1636 | It's been stated that Neo was brought in for the past arc so Cinder would have a partner for infiltrating Atlas, and her backstory was revealed in a book, so her role has been fulfilled and there's not a lot of new information to be learned about her. There are also a lot of characters currently in play overall, with there being Emerald, Qrow, Robyn, Elm, Harriet, Oscar, Ozpin, Winter, Salem, Cinder, Ren, Nora, Mercury, Tyrian, Ruby, Yang, Jaune, Blake and Weiss, not to mention the characters likely to return in Vacuo. This makes for a massive cast, with Neo unlikely to be essential to the plot past this Volume. Therefore, if [=RT=] decided not to include Neo in later volumes as a TokenEvilTeammate to the titular team and their allies due to serving her purpose in the story, then she'll most likely be written off, either by going out in blaze of glory or staying behind in the island to reduce character screen time issues for the rest of the series. |
| 1637 | * Confirmed. After the Cat is defeated, Neo decides to remain in the Ever After and ascend, with it being left up in the air as to what she will become. |
| 1638 | |
| 1639 | [[WMG: Penny won't be brought back.]] |
| 1640 | For as much as people would like to see her return, that doesn't seem to be likely. As far as the story goes, she wouldn't really have much to do, especially since Winter is now the Winter Maiden and the cast will undoubtedly get bigger as the series enters Vacuo with the return of Teams CFVY and SSSN alone. Not to mention how convoluted it would be to try and bring her back, as unlike last time she's not an android that could be rebuilt. |
| 1641 | * Confirmed. |
| 1642 | |
| 1643 | [[WMG: If there are any scenes showing the remaining group in Vacuo...]] |
| 1644 | * CFVY and SSSN will make an appearance, as well as reference [[Literature/RWBYAfterTheFall their own adven]][[Literature/RWBYBeforeTheDawn tures in Vacuo]]. |
| 1645 | * Qrow will learn that Ozpin has returned, and he won't be happy because he wasn't there when the others decided to forgive him. He'll state once again that meeting him was the worst luck of his life, especially now that his nieces are MIA/presumed dead. |
| 1646 | * Ren and Nora will be shown mourning Jaune and Team RWBY, believing themselves to be the only survivors of their original friend group. |
| 1647 | * Some people will be wary of Emerald due to her originally siding with Cinder. |
| 1648 | * Winter will try to find Pietro and Maria and tell them what happened to Penny. |
| 1649 | * If Salem and Cinder make an appearance, they will be discussing plans with Tyrian and Mercury on how to find the Summer Maiden and obtain the Relic of Destruction. |
| 1650 | * A VillainEpisode at the start of Volume 9, which details Cinder's rise to power and formation of an elite team of Remnant's worst criminals to conquer it (likely for the remaining Relics and the rest of the Maidens). |
| 1651 | ** All jossed, as the Volume takes place entirely in the Ever After. |
| 1652 | |
| 1653 | [[WMG: Ruby won't be able to move on from her failures in Atlas until she's talked out of it by either her friends or the spirit of Penny/Summer.]] |
| 1654 | Volume 9 is confirmed to be Ruby's story, so this would make sense as part of [[CharacterDevelopment a tremendous change to the core of her character]], reflecting to the events of "The Girl who Fell From the World". Since Ruby suppressed her pent-up feelings after the events of Volume 3, the emotional "pep talk" moment serves as the final push she desperately needed to "let them go and move forward", which faithfully follows one of Oum's original visions for the series. |
| 1655 | |
| 1656 | [[WMG: An AngerBornOfWorry LoveConfession moment between Blake and Yang.]] |
| 1657 | Chances of this happening in Volume 9 are still 50/50, but there are subtle hints that Blake might have romantic feelings for Yang. Arryn Zech also confirmed that Blake is bisexual. |
| 1658 | * Jossed. [[spoiler: Blake and Yang do confess to each other, but there is no anger involved. Instead, they’re caught in a punderstorm where they have admit their feelings to each other to get out.]] |
| 1659 | |
| 1660 | [[WMG: Assuming the mysterious island will be based on [[Literature/AlicesAdventuresInWonderland Wonderland]], it will take inspiration from VideoGame/AmericanMcgeesAlice.]] |
| 1661 | In that game, Wonderland has been corrupted by Alice's mental health issues, and what she fights in Wonderland reflects the real world, ultimately meaning she has to fix Wonderland to fix herself. In Volume 9, Ruby will have to fix this mysterious land and confront her own problems in the process. |
| 1662 | |
| 1663 | [[WMG:Salem's (failed) [[KillTheCutie assasination attempt on Ruby]].]] |
| 1664 | Salem would send another Hound (which contains Summer's preserved body) in a GenreSavvy attempt to assassinate an emotionally vulnerable (and unstable) Ruby. This is deliberate on Salem's part, not only to [[BreakTheCutie break Ruby further]], but also wanting to invoke DeathByIrony on her. Ruby's mind would further regress into a powerless, helpless, and scared little girl [[AllAccordingToPlan just as Salem planned]] (and Cinder's words to Ruby near the end of the previous volume does make sense for good measure), but the real Summer (as a spirit) would snap Ruby out of it, ultimately resulting with her fighting back, and then violently killing the Hound with [[NoholdsBarredBeatdown nothing but her bare hands]]. Her friends (who just arrived) are shocked at the aftermath of the fight and wasted no time comforting her over it. |
| 1665 | |
| 1666 | [[WMG:Crescent Rose will be destroyed beyond repair and Ruby would receive a new weapon at the end of Volume 9.]] |
| 1667 | At the start of the series, Ruby's motivation for becoming a huntress is to follow Summer's footsteps. Now that [[DespairEventHorizon Ruby's morale and sanity have hit rock bottom]] after the events of the previous two volumes (with both Salem and Cinder ''mocking'' her to boot), combined with the possibility of a nuclear meltdown and eventual pep talk with the spirit of Summer, [[KillTheCutie an assasination attempt by Salem]] through [[DeathByIrony a Hound containing Summer's preserved body]], and [[TheGlovesComeOff a final confrontation with Neo]], there is a significant chance that Ruby would end up sacrificing Crescent Rose to win a climatic fight near the end of this volume and later recieve a new weapon similar to it (bonus points if that new weapon is a LivingWeapon), which is symbolically synonymous to [[FiveStagesOfGrief parting ways with her suppressed feelings]] as well as [[BeYourself finally starting make a name for herself]] [[CentralTheme and moving forward]] as Oum originally envisioned. |
| 1668 | |
| 1669 | * Jossed. Crescent Rose is not damaged at any point in the Volume. |
| 1670 | |
| 1671 | [[WMG:Should Ruby discard Crescent Rose, she would forge a new weapon as its permanent replacement.]] |
| 1672 | In the Volume 9 teaser, Ruby is shown holding one of Penny's swords from the previous Volume. If Ruby discards Cresent Rose, (either due to being destroyed or deliberately left it behind as proof of her CharacterDevelopment), there is chance that she would forge a new weapon (most likely a sword) by modifying it for her own personal use. That new weapon represents three things: 1) Ruby's resolve of "moving forward" at the end of Volume 9, 2) Ruby's own answer to Cinder's Midnight, and 3) a TragicKeepsake for the late Penny. |
| 1673 | |
| 1674 | * Jossed. Ruby does not replace Crescent Rose, so she never needs to make a new weapon to begin with. |
| 1675 | |
| 1676 | [[WMG:If Neo were to be killed off, it would be an AlasPoorVillain moment.]] |
| 1677 | There some speculations that Neo is based on ''Literature/TheLittleMatchGirl'' and the events of ''Roman Holiday'' strongly implies this is the case: the titular fairy tale character is too scared to go back home because of [[AbusiveParents her abusive father]] and finds solace in the flames of the matches. After seeing a vision of her grandmother from one of the matches she lit up, she spent all of her matches to sustain that vision and her soul is taken to heaven by her grandmother after dying from from extreme cold. Neo's obesession of getting back at Ruby for "killing" Torchwick is basically the web series' equivalent of "spending all of her matches to keep that vision alive" and if she were to die, it should be at the hands of Weiss instead of Ruby, since the Schnee is heavily associated with the cold.To make her death even more tragic (at least as tragic as [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Maul's]]), she would have a VillainousBreakdown first after finding out what ''really'' happened to Torchwick before Weiss deals the fatal blow on her to save Ruby, and then make peace with the Silver-Eyed Huntress as she dies. |
| 1678 | |
| 1679 | [[WMG:The island is the sacred land of the ''Grimm''.]] |
| 1680 | The abnormally cheery and vibrant island, however dangerous, is extremely out of place as a satellite dimension of the DeathWorld that is Remnant. Grimm are expendable; how Salem and the Horde haven't found this place by lobbing Grimm into her experiments or nearby portals is truly mysterious. |
| 1681 | Unless ''they'' were protecting this place. |
| 1682 | What if ''this'' is where the refuse of human thoughts and dreams go after the Grimm have sucked the unstable aura from their victims in the Grimm spawning pools? More importantly, what if the island is a twisted ThroughTheEyesOfMadness situation, where the Grimm's actual souls live as mere mortals, oblivious that the monsters ''they'' hunt correspond to the humans they slaughter in Remnant? |
| 1683 | |
| 1684 | * ''Technically'' Confirmed: [[spoiler:Ever After is the birthplace of the ''gods'', and moreover, the Jabberwocker is the ancestral prototype of the Grimm. Given how the Jabberwalker ruled over the Ever After for millions of years with terror and oblivion, the Grimm would ''prostate'' if they ever learned the truth.]] |
| 1685 | |
| 1686 | [[WMG: Team JNR and the others will attempt to [[SealedEvilInACan lock Salem in Vacuo's Maiden Vault.]]]] |
| 1687 | The JustEatGilligan surrounding how magical prisons would allow Salem to be defeated without being destroyed has now been brought up enough that it's far from unbelievable that a member of the writing staff will hear of the possibility, if they don't finally realize it on their own. Given this season has much of the cast lose the Relic of Creation ([[StoryBreakerPower which would make such a mission far, far easier]]), but also heading to the one place we know has a still functional vault, this would be a good place for an AuthorsSavingThrow surrounding the issue: the heroes will try to lock Salem in the vault, but fail, and the series end before they can get another chance. Regardless, Ozpin will either commend them on their outside-the-box thinking, noting how this proves that even immortal heroes sometimes need the young, original minds of the newest generation to solve problems, or provide some handwave as to why he thought of it, but dismissed it as a plan in the past. |
| 1688 | |
| 1689 | * Jossed, as there are no scenes taking place in Vacuo. Could be a good guess for Volume 10 or 11, though. |
| 1690 | |
| 1691 | [[WMG: It will take place on the real Menagerie depicted in the myth; The Shallow Sea from Literature/RWBYFairyTalesOfRemnant]] |
| 1692 | From the teaser trailer we got, it seems to take place on an island and there is a talking mouse who has never seen a human before meeting Ruby. Since the fairy tales of Remnant are supposed to all be true (to an extent), they may meet the God of Animals from the myths and get some answers on what really happened when it was on Remnant. |
| 1693 | |
| 1694 | * Jossed: It takes place in the Ever After, the world featured in the in-universe fairy tale "The Girl Who Fell Through The World". |
| 1695 | |
| 1696 | [[WMG: There will be a spin-off show taking place in the Ever After after the volume ends]] |
| 1697 | The Ever After looks like it has a lot of potential--what's not to say that the island Team RWBY wound up on is just but one part of an even bigger world? A show taking place in the Ever After could give us more info about this mysterious location, what other places are located there, and even how it came to be. |
| 1698 | |
| 1699 | * This is further corroborated by Jaune's map of the place; there looks to be over 30 acres surrounding the tree, but only six are seen in the volume. |
| 1700 | |
| 1701 | [[WMG: Jaune will not return to Remnant]] |
| 1702 | Be it through machination of the story, personal choice, or an act of sacrifice, Jaune will not be coming back to Remnant, and Volume 9 will make his last appearance. He will either voluntarily choose to remain in the Ever After after deciding that he's now a part of it, or will sacrifice himself to the tree so that Team RWBY will be able to go home. Either way, this will become a point of conflict between them and Ren and Nora, and will lead to the latter having a permanent falling out with the former. |
| 1703 | * Jossed. Jaune does indeed return to Remnant. |
| 1704 | |
| 1705 | [[WMG: Lewis is the Jabberwalker]] |
| 1706 | The reason the Jabberwalker moves so strangely and [[KilledOffForReal kills Afterans without them ascending]] is that its very existence is unnatural. Lewis was taken by the Tree and remade like an Afteran, but humans aren't supposed to go through that process. The Jabberwalker was [[CameBackWrong the failed attempt of ascending a human]]. |
| 1707 | * It’s possible that when the Ever After tried to ascend Lewis, it had trouble assigning a role and purpose for him due to him coming from a world with different rules. In the end, the decided to grant him the ability to apply a concept he and his world had accepted as a fundamental truth (that all things must die) to the rest of Ever After. |
| 1708 | * '''Jossed:''' Lewis left the Ever After and returned to Remnant. |
| 1709 | |
| 1710 | [[WMG: Alternatively, Lewis is the one who got out, the true author of the story and one of Ozma's incarnations predating Ozpin, and Alyx has become the Jabberwalker]] |
| 1711 | Oz has been established as a fairy tale collector in-universe and as an actual hero of many of them, so adding another one to his memoirs isn't unlikely. Lewis had similar color scheme and eye color to Oscar, and him being "kind and clever one" falls under "like-minded soul" criteria. He and his sister fell into Ever After through some means related to Relics or Oz's magic. At some point after abandoning Jaune and the Cat, Alyx had turned on him, or had indeed tried to sacrifice him to the Tree but something went not as she planned, tranforming her into the beast, her selfishness and cruelty becoming the driving force behind its attacks on Afterans. Either way, with Ozma's help, Lewis was able to fend her off and return to Remnant, where he wrote ''himself'' out of the story and portrayed Alyx as its sole hero, to give it a better Aesop but also to honor the memory of his fallen sister (something that, as we already know, Ozpin has done to Lionheart). It's possible that Ozpin's decision to let Jaune into Beacon, as well as attention to his friends, has come from recognizing him as the future(-in-the-past) Rusted Knight, or at least being reminded of him. |
| 1712 | * '''Partly-Confirmed:''' Lewis was indeed the sibling that had gotten out, and went to omit himself from the story. However, there is no indication that he was one of Ozpin's hosts (at least at the time), and Alyx was killed by the Curious Cat with no hint that she ascended. |
| 1713 | |
| 1714 | [[WMG: Little is Summer Rose]] |
| 1715 | Or rather, Little will become Summer Rose. |
| 1716 | |
| 1717 | At some point, Ruby will almost be swallowed by the Ever After because she thinks she's 'not a good huntress.' Her team will stop her from being eaten, but the hole won't close until Little decides to become the person that Ruby needs most and hop in. The Ever After will reformat Little using the template that Ruby provided (i.e. her memories of Summer) but with the core persona of an enthusiastic mouse. They won't meet up again for a few episodes, by which point Little Summer will have gotten the axe-rifle from the blacksmith. Ruby, of course, will be very emotional, especially after she realizes what happened in full. |
| 1718 | |
| 1719 | * Jossed. While Little does ascend, they become a larger mouse named Somewhat rather than a clone of Summer. |
| 1720 | |
| 1721 | [[WMG: Alyx actually sacrificed herself to get Lewis home; and became the blacksmith.]] |
| 1722 | Her brother wrote the book with her as the sole hero because of survivor guilt. |
| 1723 | * '''Jossed:''' There is no sacrifice needed to pass through the door into Remnant. The Curious Cat killed Alyx because she wanted to stay and fix the problems she caused, robbing the Cat of their way into Remnant. |
| 1724 | |
| 1725 | [[WMG: The clock fruit slowed Jaune's aging.]] |
| 1726 | He was present when Alyx and Lewis fell. He had also been waiting for Team RWBY "for years" at that point. Neither sibling's name fits the iconic color naming rule, which in-universe was in response to the Great War, ''80 years'' ago in the show's lore. Since Jaune was 19 when he fell into Ever After, he should be over a ''century'' old. Yet he still looks pretty spry, despite some gray in his hair. This could be an issue when it comes to leaving, as he either won't want to leave thanks to spending more time in Ever After than Remnant, or his time here leaving him out of place in his old life. |
| 1727 | |
| 1728 | [[WMG: Alyx ascended to become Little.]] |
| 1729 | Because Alyx Little sounds a lot like Alice Liddel. Ever After is a land of puns, after all. |
| 1730 | |
| 1731 | * Jossed. The Cat killed her shortly after Lewis left, and there is not indication that her soul ascended. |
| 1732 | |
| 1733 | [[WMG: The Blacksmith is the Tree.]] |
| 1734 | She offered to exchange Ruby's 'burden' for any one of the weapons, metaphorically (and perhaps literally) reforging her, like the tree 'ascends' people. And she was seen forging a butterfly wing in the episode immediately after the Herbalist (a caterpillar) 'ascended.' The cat did say that the tree came to you, after all... |
| 1735 | * '''Confirmed:''' The Blacksmith is an aspect of the Tree, though doesn't elaborate further. She helps guide souls going through ascension to choose what they want to be. |
| 1736 | |
| 1737 | [[WMG: Ruby will go rogue and leave (and/or even disband) Team RWBY.]] |
| 1738 | Given Ruby's [[DespairEventHorizon less-than-great mental state]] right now and how, at least as of Episode 7, Ruby has run away from her allies, it's very possible that Ruby could go rogue. We also know that Ruby doesn't want to fight anymore, so this could be Ruby leaving her team for good (assuming she doesn't pull a 10MinuteRetirement, which is more likely). If she's that determined to give up fighting, she might even disband Team RWBY outright. |
| 1739 | |
| 1740 | * Jossed: The next episode has her encounter Neopolitan along with her illusions based on people in Ruby's life that have died which culminates in the death of Little at her hands and causes Ruby to be DrivenToSuicide and drink the tea made from the great tree's leaf to "ascend". |
| 1741 | |
| 1742 | [[WMG: Ruby will become a DeathSeeker AntiHero.]] |
| 1743 | |
| 1744 | * Jossed. |
| 1745 | |
| 1746 | [[WMG: There will be a battle between a berserk/broken Ruby Rose VS the rest of Team RWBY and Jaune.]] |
| 1747 | This could be mid-season or act as the final climactic battle at the end. Ruby, either so far down the DespairEventHorizon or otherwise driven mad, will fight against her former friends. This could possibly be instigated when they attempt to stop Ruby from killing Neo. |
| 1748 | * Jossed. By the time JSBY get to Ruby, she's already about about drink the tea Neo offered her and ascend. |
| 1749 | |
| 1750 | [[WMG:Penny's corpse will play a major part in the final two episodes]] |
| 1751 | The last we saw of Penny in Volume 8 is her dead body laying on one of Ambrosius's pathways. Afterwards, she's never seen again--but when Cinder undid the pathways, it should seem logical that the corpse fell into the Ever After along with Jaune. However, as of the end of episode eight, Penny's body is still nowhere to be found in the Ever After. Perhaps they're saving the corpse for the finale of the volume for a specific reason, which could possibly even include bringing Penny back to life again through some unknown method (which could tie into the "Penny returning to life theory" above). |
| 1752 | ** '''Jossed:''' Penny herself makes no appearance in the volume outside of Neo's illusion. |
| 1753 | |
| 1754 | [[WMG: Ruby will ascend and gain a massive upgrade to her Silver Eyes]] |
| 1755 | There's no way that Ruby is actually dead and she is almost certainly going to ascend because of the Tree. The process will let her address the problems she's been having and will also have the benefit of making her Silver Eyes more powerful and giving them new abilities. |
| 1756 | * Possibly jossed, as Ruby never uses her eyes on the Cat. |
| 1757 | |
| 1758 | [[WMG: Little's ascension will lead them to becoming a wolf]] |
| 1759 | To tie into Ruby's connection with wolves. They may even become a {{Familiar}} to Ruby if her ascension grants her magic. |
| 1760 | ** '''Jossed:''' Little ascends into an anthropomorphic mouse person who names themself Somewhat. |
| 1761 | |
| 1762 | [[WMG: The Jabberwalker will kill the Curious Cat as its hidden Purpose.]] |
| 1763 | The Great Tree and the Curious Cat are linked as the Cat is meant to be the {{Psychopomp}} who guides Afterans to the tree so they may ascend. But the Cat is rebelling against its purpose and has defiled a human, robbed them of ''their'' purpose, to get what it wants. This foreseen sin is why the Tree ascended something into the Jabberwalker, who [[KilledOffForReal removes Afterans from ascension]]. In the final struggle of the volume, the Curious Cat may or may not be driven out of Neo and left vulnerable for the Jabberwalker to eat. |
| 1764 | * '''Semi-Confirmed:''' The Jabberwalker is used to kill the Curious Cat, but it was Neo using her Semblance to kill the Cat in revenge for being possessed. It was the Two Brothers who created the Jabberwalker, not the Tree. |
| 1765 | |
| 1766 | [[WMG:If Penny does return to life, Jaune will redeem himself for his past failures from Volume 8's finale, at the cost of his life]] |
| 1767 | The reasoning for Penny returning to life is mentioned in above theories, but if it does happen, this could give Jaune the opportunity to redeem himself for failing to heal Penny during Volume 8's climax, forcing him to MercyKill her. Perhaps Jaune will [[HeroicSacrifice sacrifice himself]] to ensure that she isn't killed, taking a mortal wound meant for her. This could result in his death--which could remind Ruby that even with Penny alive, she still can't save everyone. Jaune's death could also be parallel to Pyrrha's death in Volume 3, similar to how Neo's fate being a mirror of Torchwick's fate from that same volume. |
| 1768 | * Jossed. Penny does not come back to life, and Jaune gets to return to Remnant with Team RWBY. |
| 1769 | |
| 1770 | [[WMG:Jaune is half-right about Alyx and Lewis.]] |
| 1771 | Only one of the siblings returned home, and the other was fed to the tree. The reality, however, is that the Curious Cat attempted to break the siblings down to get back to Remnant the same way the Cat did to Ruby. Right before the Cat could escape as one of them, Alyx pulled a HeroicSacrifice specifically to keep the Cat trapped and help Lewis get home unimpeded. Lewis then changed the story so Alyx would be remembered as a hero. |
| 1772 | * '''Semi-Confirmed:''' Lewis returned home, but Alyx chose to stay in the Ever After to fix the damage she did. The Cat lashed out and killed her for breaking her promise to take them to Remnant. |
| 1773 | |
| 1774 | [[WMG:Little will give up their revival to save Ruby.]] |
| 1775 | Ruby is not an Afteran, and if theories about Lewis becoming the Jabberwalker have any merit, humans aren't supposed to go through the Ascension process. Ruby will be offered the choice to either be revived as a monster bound to the Ever After or stay dead until someone else takes her place, and Little will volunteer so Ruby can get home. |
| 1776 | * '''Jossed:''' Little ascends after the Curious Cat is defeated, becoming a new Afteran who names themself Somewhat. |
| 1777 | |
| 1778 | [[WMG:The Ascension will pull Ruby into the realm of the dead before her revival.]] |
| 1779 | Ruby will be able to speak to apparitions of people like Pyrrha (who will give her a message for Jaune to gain closure) and Penny (who will help her break her own DespairEventHorizon), as well as learn from Alyx or Lewis about why the latter was removed from their story. This may even allow her to speak to the Gods about both the Curious Cat and Salem, as the God of Creation was able to enter this realm to speak to Ozma's soul before reviving him. |
| 1780 | * '''Jossed:''' The plane Ruby is on during her ascension is different from the plane where the God of Light spoke to Ozma. |
| 1781 | |
| 1782 | [[WMG:Ruby's Ascension will give her the power necessary to kill the Curious Cat... as well as Ozma and Salem.]] |
| 1783 | Nothing in the Ever After -- including the Curious Cat -- is able to die permanently, unless killed by the Jabberwalker. In a similar vein, Ozma is continuously reborn, while Salem is unable to stay dead. If any of the above [=WMG=] about the Jabberwalker being an Ascended Alyx or Lewis is true, it would mean the tree is not only ''capable'' of giving someone the power to [[DeaderThanDead break the cycle of rebirth]], but ''trying'' to break it, likely in response to the Cat straying from its own purpose. Ruby will be revived as a being similar to the Jabberwalker -- a ''true'' Huntress. |
| 1784 | * '''Jossed:''' Ruby's ascension changed nothing fundamentally. She resolved her issues without needing to physically change. |
| 1785 | |
| 1786 | [[WMG:Jaune will choose to Ascend to go after Ruby.]] |
| 1787 | ... and he'll come out of it de-aged. |
| 1788 | * '''Jossed:''' Jaune does de age, but that was due to the Tree having saved Alyx's wish to set things right, and using it to heal him. |
| 1789 | |
| 1790 | [[WMG:The Curious Cat is after the Relic of Knowledge]] |
| 1791 | The Cat is cursed to be ConstantlyCurious, its biggest question is [[HaveYouSeenMyGod why the gods of the Ever After abandoned them]]. Having heard the whole story from RWBY, the Cat knows the Relic of Knowledge can tell it the answer to those questions. There's nothing to suggest that the Curious Cat can age or die, so it can certainly wait long enough for Jinn to be able to answer its questions. |
| 1792 | |
| 1793 | [[WMG:Ruby will be the first soul ever to undo their own ascension]] |
| 1794 | Ruby will ascend, becoming someone new with a new purpose, but the new Ruby will eventually stumble across the rest of the heroes struggling against the Curious Cat. Seeing those closest to her in very real danger with reignite her HeroicResolve to help others, and her soul (and possibly silver eyes) will force her body to revert back into her true self. |
| 1795 | * '''Semi-Confirmed:''' While undergoing the ascension process, Ruby decides to Be herself and emerges from the Tree unchanged. |
| 1796 | |
| 1797 | [[WMG:The whereabouts of Penny's dead body will be addressed in the future]] |
| 1798 | In a previous WMG I did for this volume, I predicted that Penny's corpse would play a role in the volume, since it should have fallen into the Ever After with Jaune when Cinder undid Ambrosius's pathways. Ultimately, by the end of Volume 9, that did not happen--leaving the whereabouts of the corpse up in the air. Perhaps in the future, we'll finally learn where Penny's body landed in the Ever After, just to clear things up. |
| 1799 | |
| 1800 | [[WMG:Somewhat will become the new {{Psychopomp}} of the Ever After.]] |
| 1801 | With the Curious Cat DeaderThanDead, someone new needs to fill in their purpose of helping Afterans who lose their way ascend. With Somewhat choosing to help people in any way they can rather than settling into one specific role, they will unintentionally take that missing position. Where the Cat helped ascension by giving those with broken hearts a piece of their own heart, Somewhat will help those who lose their way in a mundane fashion by helping to solve their problems as a hero, easing their burdens so they can find their way to ascend. |
| 1802 | |
| 1803 | [[/folder]] |
| 1804 | |
| 1805 | [[folder:Volume 10]] |
| 1806 | [[WMG:Ruby will become the BigGood in the Vacuo Arc.]] |
| 1807 | It makes sense since she is already the de facto leader in the war against Salem and the one who sent the message around the world about Salem's existence and the one who inspires hope to the people of Remnant, even Ozpin and Headmaster Theadore will follow her lead. |
| 1808 | |
| 1809 | [[WMG: Crocea Mors is still broken.]] |
| 1810 | While Alyx's wish had been able to reverse Jaune's aging (albeit with a new white streak of hair), it may not have been able to repair his sword since it had already been broken when Jaune arrived in the Ever After. He'll take it to a local blacksmith for repairs, and Crocea Mors' new design will take cues from Penny's swords. |
| 1811 | |
| 1812 | [[WMG: The Vacuo Arc will be a WarArc.]] |
| 1813 | Now that Salem’s existence has been publicly revealed and Vacuo has received reinforcements, the Vacuo Arc will be this and the public war against Salem’s forces will be known as the Second Great War. |
| 1814 | |
| 1815 | [[WMG: Qrow will finally forgive Ozpin.]] |
| 1816 | After Team RWBY and Jaune finally make it to Vacuo, they will learn that Qrow finally forgave Oz after he apologized for not trusting him and the others with the truth, and Qrow himself apologized too for what he said. |
| 1817 | |
| 1818 | [[WMG:Characters from extended universe media like ''Literature/RWBYAfterTheFall'' and ''Literature/RWBYBeforeTheDawn'' will make their animated debut here]] |
| 1819 | As the volume will primarily be set in Vacuo, it would make sense for there to be a reference to the books from either CFVY or SSSN. Even better, what's left of the Crown will decide to join Salem after crossing paths with Mercury and Tyrian to get revenge on the two teams. |
| 1820 | |
| 1821 | [[WMG:Grimm that first appeared in ''Literature/RWBYAfterTheFall'' and ''Literature/RWBYBeforeTheDawn'' will appear in Volume 10]] |
| 1822 | The Grimm that debut in the novels will make their first appearance in the main series. |
| 1823 | |
| 1824 | [[WMG:There will be a subplot about Team RWBY becoming overprotective of their leader]] |
| 1825 | After seeing Ruby get to such a low point and almost losing her, the rest of her team will start to worry about her at every turn and trying to assure her of how much she means to each of them (possibly leading to Ruby and Weiss making it the third season in a row to have a RelationshipUpgrade between two characters). |
| 1826 | -->'''Weiss:''' [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove I can't lose you again.]] |
| 1827 | |
| 1828 | [[WMG:Sun will congratulate Yang and Blake on becoming a couple]] |
| 1829 | When Sun finds out that Yang and Blake became a couple, he’ll tell them he’s happy for them and they’re perfect together. |
| 1830 | * And then Blake will correct him that they're a '''trio''', him included, because she loves both of them. |
| 1831 | |
| 1832 | [[WMG:Ruby will tell Yang the truth about Summer]] |
| 1833 | Ruby will have the chance to tell Yang that she saw that Summer lied to to family about her mission and was with Raven on that mission she went on. |
| 1834 | |
| 1835 | [[WMG:Ruby and Winter will talk about Penny]] |
| 1836 | Ruby and Winter will have a conversation about Penny and how she meant to them, Ruby will also tell Winter that she’s proud that Penny chose her to be the next Winter Maiden. |
| 1837 | |
| 1838 | [[WMG:The Summer Maiden will be a Faunus]] |
| 1839 | So far we have seen that most Maidens we saw were human but Volume 10 will have the Summer Maiden be a Faunus girl. |
| 1840 | |
| 1841 | [[WMG:Team RWBY and Jaune will have a tearful reunion with their friends and family]] |
| 1842 | When Team RWBY and Jaune arrive a Shade Academy they’ll see their friends and family in Headmaster Theodore office, the latter will ask how are they alive and Ruby will reply to them that it’s a long story. |
| 1843 | |
| 1844 | [[WMG:The rest of Ozpin’s followers will ask why Ozpin keeper Salem’s immortality a secret]] |
| 1845 | When Ruby sent the message about Salem’s existence to the public, the rest of Ozpin’s group likely learn that Salem’s immortal, and when they arrive in Vacuo, they will confront Oz who is in Oscar’s body and ask why he didn’t tell them about it. |
| 1846 | |
| 1847 | [[WMG: Headmaster Theodore will not betray the heroes. But someone else in Shade will]] |
| 1848 | Hopefully Theodore will not end up like Headmaster Lionheart or General Ironwood, and will stay on Team RWBY's side against Salem and Cinder. At the same time, perhaps someone else in Shade Academy could betray the team instead and maybe (like Cinder, Emerald, and Mercury) is posting as a student or teacher |
| 1849 | in the school. |
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