Line #79 WMG/Madagascar


1	[[WMG: Why does Melman keep calling Gloria "honey" throughout most of ''Europe's Most Wanted''?]]
2	* They've probably become married at one point during their stay in Africa. I mean, it's possible since there have been many married couples who call each other that.
3	** And this could also mean Gloria's now "Gloria Mankiewicz".
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5	[[WMG: Sonya is a dude.]]
6	If we've agreed that Julien is really a woman... lemur... thing... Sonya may very well be the same way.
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9	[[WMG: King Julien XIII ''really is'' the most sane of all the Lemurs. That's why he's king.]]
10	* Amazingly he seems to grasp almost everything going on. He understands that The People are dead (he just doesn't ''care'') he understands that the Foosa are deadly, and really does come up with the plan for using the new Freaks to scare them away, which would be a good idea if it weren't for the fact that Alex is part of it. And he has a fairly good idea for getting the New Yorkers on his side. In the sequel, he initially doesn't really believe that a sacrifice in the volcano will get water (although he seems to by the end), he just seems to suggest it to get attention. Yes, he is crazy, but very few if any of his ideas are disagreed with. He doesn't do it by being the strongest and scaring people; he does it by being the most sane resident (and telling people to shut up a lot).
11	** The one-eyed king of the land of the blind, then?
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13	[[WMG: The watering hole in ''Escape 2 Africa'' is a special case, resulting from a pact between herds.]]
14	* From the look of things, the watering hole is the only water for miles. Sometime in the past, the then-ruling alpha lion declared the watering hole a safe zone, where prey could be safe. In exchange, the prey would help him defend his territory, should a threat arise, such as a rival pride of lions. This way, the herds of prey could get water without fear of being eaten, and the lions would have a large army of allies. In the generations since then, the lions and other predators have done their hunting away from the watering hole, preying on wandering herds. As a result of all this, the prey animals at the watering hole have lost their fear of predators.
15	** So it's like the birthing/crowning ceremonies in ''WesternAnimation/TheLionKing1994''?
16	** This theory is similar to the Water Truce in ''Literature/TheJungleBook'': in the dry season, the river bank is a safe place where predators and prey can drink together.
17	** It's also TruthInTelevision - in Africa where everything is trying to eat everything else, a watering-hole is actually a fairly safe place for animals to mix. Not always safe, of course, but people have witnessed lions and their various prey relaxing in close proximity at waterholes.
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19	[[WMG:The Penguins will be even more important in the third film.]]
20	* The penguins were just background characters in the first film. They had some important duties in the second film, even if they weren't the stars. In the trailer for the third film they are an important focus and seem to be part of the attraction for the movie. Their badassery has even been Flanderised. I think they're going to be co-stars for the third movie. They have become VERY popular thanks to ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'' spin-off series.
21	** Confirmed in that they are pretty much co-stars along with the lemurs.
22	** Not as important to the movie as it seemed they would be (Alex, Julien, Marty, and the newcomers stole the show), but they were very important nonetheless.
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24	[[WMG:Alex and Marty will sing a TriumphantReprise of "[[Music/FrankSinatra New York, New York]]" once they finally get back home.]]
25	* Jossed. They didn't sing at all after get back to the zoo.
26	** They did, however, sing it on the plane just before it crashed (''again'').
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28	[[WMG: Alex's parents died in between movies]]
29	They would have been pretty old by #2, and the beginning of #3 does highlight that time has passed since, so it's not implausible.
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31	[[WMG: King Julien XIII predicts the victory of the New York Giants against the New England Patriots at the UsefulNotes/SuperBowl...twice.]]
32	Nah. That's just Wild Mass Stretching.
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34	[[WMG: If there's a 4th movie, [=DuBois=] will return and team up with Nana to get Alex.]]
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36	[[WMG: Sonya is completely mute to human ears]]
37	Sonya only makes bear noises. When Alex tries to talk to human, he only makes lion sounds to human ears.
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39	[[WMG: King Julien XIII is a WMG/TimeLord.]]
40	Julien has spent his entire life cycle shaping the culture of the Madagascar lemurs, encouraging their party animal lifestyle and doing his best to create a Utopian society. He's now on his thirteenth incarnation, hence King Julien XIII.
41	* Jossed. If you've seen [[WesternAnimation/AllHailKingJulien All Hail King Julien]] then you know that King Julien was a descendent off of other Juliens, including his Uncle King Julien XII and King Julien The Terrible. So KJ is just excellent at making a utopia over just one generation.
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43	[[WMG: King Julien is a reincarnation of [[WesternAnimation/TheEmperorsNewGroove Emperor Kuzco]]]]
44	They are surprisingly very identical in terms of character; both are kings with [[ItsAllAboutMe huge egos]] and they both love dancing.
45	* Or maybe he could even be a descendant of Kuzco. He's a lemur because... Yzma's potions...
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47	[[WMG: The movie takes place in a national park or nature reserve of sorts.]]
48	It's not that there are no humans in Madagascar, real Madagascar has a population of around 24,894,551 people, it's just that Julien and his kingdom don't run into humans often if at all because humans aren't allowed to enter their "kingdom". The second movie actually does take place in nature reserve and most animals in that movie don't seem to be aware of humans neither, so it is a possiblility.
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50	[[WMG: If the fourth film had been made, it would've been about the Afro Circus being forced to close down]]
51	* It would've responded to the fact that most people don't support animals in circuses, and would think that the animals stunts would be from the humans abusing them (not aware that all the humans had actually left the circus way long ago) and now everyone would need to find a new job to do. It would probably end with either them finding said new job, or the circus reopening.
52	** [[SarcasmMode Yeah, that would make a perfect sequel.]]
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54	[[WMG: Sonya is either mentally ill or went mad from the isolation.]]
55	Considering how we kinda know how being feral works in the first movie, it doesn't seem ''that'' off.
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57	[[WMG: Teetsi's fate.]]
58	After Makunga's defeat, Teetsi would then suddenly have a chance to redeem himself (somewhere in the crowd) and do a victory dance while singing "Yay! Makunga's gone forever!", which can imply that he secretly hates working for Makunga and would sometime later come to Alex and try to apologize for what happened during the recent fight.
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60	[[WMG: The reasons why fossas in the first film and ''WesternAnimation/AllHailKingJulien'' are ugly and moronic is because of inbreeding.]]
61	[[Fanfic/MaroonedInMadagascar The rumor among Madagascar carnivores says that there was a population bottleneck with the fossa many generations ago and it resulted in lots of inbreeding]] between them, explaining why fossas in the series are all [[Fanfic/MaroonedInMadagascar ugly, smelly, braindead, unruly and gluttonous quadrupeds]], while fanalokas (fossas closest cousins) talk normally and walk on two legs just like lemurs. This however only applies to the fossa clan that appears in first movie and ''AHKJ'' - fossas inhabiting other parts of Madagascar did not have to worry about the population bottleneck faced by their relatives from the reserve (connecting the above theory that the first film takes place in a nature reserve) and for this reason they have healthier ([[BeautyEqualsGoodness and prettier]]) bodies and are on the same intellectual level as their natural prey, lemurs.
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63	[[WMG: Why is Teetsi not the alpha lion, even though he is pretty obviously the biggest and most dreaded one?]]
64	* In all scenes except his fight scene, Teetsi is on the brink of collapse from sleep. If he isn't suffering from some short of sleep disease, he is probably just too lazy and irresponsible to even want being the alpha lion.
65	* It is possible that what Zuba lacks in muscle, compared to Teetsi, he makes up for in agility and skill. So if these two ever fought, Zuba would probably find techniques to turn the fight in his favor.
66	** Keeping in mind that it is obviously known by the pride, including Zuba himself, what a potent fighter Teetsi is, it is probable that he and Zuba have thrown hands in the past. Considering how Makunga is constantly trying to defeat Zuba, in spite of the fact that he is not a better fighter than him, it would be pretty expected from him to pit Teetsi against Zuba to have his minion defeat the alpha lion on his behalf.
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68	[[WMG: After the events of second movie, authorities took Makunga from Nana and transferred him to [[WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar Hoboken Zoo]].]]
69	As Skipper himself could put it: "[[ManipulativeBastard He]] and Hoboken deserve each other!". And thus, Makunga becamed new member of the Penguins RoguesGallery living in Hoboken Zoo, despite the fact that he wasn't Penguins enemy ''per se''.
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71	[[WMG: Alex going savage in first film had other reasons besides him being hungry.]]
72	As we saw in the second movie, Alex never learned to fight due to being separated from his parents as a child. And considering how old he was when it happened, there's probably other thing that his parents didn't teach him then - how to hunt. [[note]] Given that he seemed to be in that age when lion cubs aren't ready to learn to hunt. [[/note]] This combined with the fact that zoo personnel served him steaks, had caused Alex to grow up unaware of where meat comes from, given that so far his parents bringed him meat from already dead animals, which looked pretty similar to steaks that he was eating during his time at the zoo.
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74	There's also a second reason as to why Alex had gone savage - when he first sees Madagascar jungle, Alex gets scared to the point of shaking and when he learns that he and his friends got stranded on a island, he's the most terrified of all Zoosters by the thought of being outside the zoo and being away from home and wants to swim to New York despite being afraid of water ([[NervousWreck Melman]] doesn't count, since he was more worried about his [[{{Hypochondria}} medical appointments]]). In ''WesternAnimation/ThePenguinsOfMadagascar'' the reason as to how Marlene goes savage when she's outside the zoo is explained as her way to defeat fear. This could mean that Alex going savage was similar coping mechanism as Marlene's.
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76	In short, Alex's unawareness of where meat comes from due to his parents not teaching him how to hunt in youth, and his fear of the wildernesses caused his instincts to take over, forcing him to learn how to hunt and defeat his fears at the cost of his friends' lives.
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78	[[WMG: [[RiddleForTheAges Mason's question]] in second movie was about [[BrickJoke getting maternity leave]] after chimps finish repairing plane.]]
79	Meaning that if Skipper didn't interrupted Mason, he could have spared himself the strike that chimps caused near the end of the movie.
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81	[[WMG: Gia was born in Spain.]]
82	Given that Stefano has Italian accent due to being born in Italy, it could be logical that Gia was also born in some European country. And given that jaguars are strongly associated with Latin America, it could be possible that Gia was born in Spain, a country that influenced the cultures of Latin America.
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84	[[WMG: The wildlife preserve in Kenya where the Zoosters, chimps and the Penguins almost ended up in the first film is the same one seen in the second movie.]]

Context WMG / Madagascar