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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants New X-Men]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy''. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants New X-Men]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy''. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course the last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it this with the Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on to a huge party.
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** A summary for the #1 of the 2013 series says "Legacy isn’t a dirty word... but it’s an irrelevant one." Four years later, we have the ComicBook/MarvelLegacy event, which is all about legacies.
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* BaseBreaker: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series.

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series.

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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.

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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.up (though had quite a lot of ShipTease and appeared to hook up at the end of Vol 2).


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* ShipMates: As Billy/Teddy is generally well-liked by fans of the book, its common to see it as a side-pairing to any other pairing that doesn't involve the two (which itself are extremely rare given no one wants to break up the SuperCouple of the book). Almost every Kate pairing, particularly Tommy/Kate and Amerikate (the two most popular Kate pairings), tends to feature the two as a side pairing of some kind.
** Weirdly enough, Tommy/Kate shippers also tend to be rather fond of Amerikate, though usually in a platonic manner. Though the other way around not so much, Amerikate shippers tend to be more positive towards Tommy/Kate shippers than they are to Noh-Varr/Kate shippers due to how Noh-Varr treated Kate, and DieForOurShip treatment towards Tommy is incredibly rare (though not non-existent). It helps that Tommy/Kate shippers are open to {{OT3}} treatment, and have no problem also shipping Eli, Noh-Varr, David, or America in as a third wheel.

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* TheScrappy: Some fans still have yet to forgive Cassie for going over to the Pro-Regs during the Civil War, especially since her justification was "I don't want to go to jail like Wiccan," which according to some, made her appear cowardly and unwilling to stand up for her beliefs. Others chalk it up to bad writing.
** On a similar note, many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan.]]

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* TheScrappy: Some fans still have yet to forgive Cassie for going over to the Pro-Regs during the Civil War, especially since her justification was "I don't want to go to jail like Wiccan," which according to some, made her appear cowardly and unwilling to stand up for her beliefs. Others chalk it up to bad writing.
** On a similar note, many
Many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan.]]
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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.

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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' ''ComicBook/LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Many fans felt bad and cried when [[spoiler:Cassie died at the end of Children's Crusade after sacrificing her life against giant god-mode Doctor Doom]].



** Everything about the 2013 run from character design to storytelling to the writer's/fandom's treatment of the characters of colour, homosexuality, bisexuality, and mental health issues.
*** Lampshaded by Gillen after the spirited debate sparked by Billy and Teddy's new hairstyles.
-->'''Creator/KieronGillen''' ''(on the #4 letters page)'': "So many words have been written about Billy having discovered hair-gel and Teddy [having] discovered a pair of scissors. It's kind of amazing. Generally speaking, if I've learned anything about comics through YA, it's SEXUAL DISCOVERY = GOOD, HAIR-CARE DISCOVERY = BAD."
*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its sex positive and that's bad, or its ''not sex positive enough''.

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** Everything about the 2013 run from character design to storytelling to the writer's/fandom's treatment of the characters of colour, homosexuality, bisexuality, and mental health issues.
*** Lampshaded by Gillen after the spirited debate sparked by Billy and Teddy's new hairstyles.
-->'''Creator/KieronGillen''' ''(on the #4 letters page)'': "So many words have been written about Billy having discovered hair-gel and Teddy [having] discovered a pair of scissors. It's kind of amazing. Generally speaking, if I've learned anything about comics through YA, it's SEXUAL DISCOVERY = GOOD, HAIR-CARE DISCOVERY = BAD."
*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split;
Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, unlikable, or its it's just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its it's sex positive and that's bad, or its it's ''not sex positive enough''.



** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a complete soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story. He also released Noh-Varr and Broo's full after-party playlist.

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** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. story arc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable likable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] uncomfortable to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a complete soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story. He also released Noh-Varr and Broo's full after-party playlist.
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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.

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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.



* JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].



** AlasPoorScrappy: Many fans felt bad and cried when [[spoiler:Cassie died at the end of Children's Crusade after sacrificing her life against giant god-mode Doctor Doom]].



** JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].
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** And with fans of current {{Hawkeye}} series, thanks to both being quite different in style from usual Marvel standard and sharing the character of Kate Bishop. It helps that Creator/MattFraction and Creator/KieronGillen are good friends.

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** And with fans of current {{Hawkeye}} ComicBook/{{Hawkeye}} series, thanks to both being quite different in style from usual Marvel standard and sharing the character of Kate Bishop. It helps that Creator/MattFraction and Creator/KieronGillen are good friends.
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Prodigy. He comes with one canonical, if sunk, ship from his [[NewMutants previous series]] (Surge), gets a lot of HoYay with Speed and [[spoiler: once he reveals his bisexuality, with Teddy]], possible FoeYay as Loki's rival and there is a small percentage of fans who were shiping him with Miss America on the basis of one scene from issue #8 [[spoiler: through that probably got sunk when we found out America is a lesbian]] and with Kate on the basis on small scene from issue #11.

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Prodigy. He comes with one canonical, if sunk, ship from his [[NewMutants [[ComicBook/NewMutants previous series]] (Surge), gets a lot of HoYay with Speed and [[spoiler: once he reveals his bisexuality, with Teddy]], possible FoeYay as Loki's rival and there is a small percentage of fans who were shiping him with Miss America on the basis of one scene from issue #8 [[spoiler: through that probably got sunk when we found out America is a lesbian]] and with Kate on the basis on small scene from issue #11.
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* InternetBackdraft: The reactions of some fans to [=McKelvie=]'s redesign of Billy Kaplan are less than favorable. Detractors claim that it makes him look more stereotypical gay, thus hurting an up-to-then positive portrayal. The portrayal of Billy-Teddy relationship in the 2013 has also been received with hostility.

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* InternetBackdraft: The reactions of some fans to [=McKelvie=]'s redesign of Billy Kaplan are less than favorable. Detractors claim that it makes him look more stereotypical gay, thus hurting an up-to-then positive portrayal.portrayal, or that it just looks ugly in comparison. The portrayal of Billy-Teddy relationship in the 2013 has also been received with hostility.

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*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands.

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*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands. In other words, its sex positive and that's bad, or its ''not sex positive enough''.



** The initial run also had flack for Patriot's drug addiction storyarc. Either it was rather well-handled and turned him from a JerkAss into a JerkassWoobie with a tinge of IJustWantToBeSpecial, which made him much more likeable and relatable, or it was incredibly [[UnfortunateImplications uncomfortable]] to have the black guy be the one to deal with drug addiction.



* EnsembleDarkHorse: During the first years of the Young Avengers, Kate never had the main focus of a story and was there only as the link that maintained the team together morally and financially. Later she somehow took the title of leader from Patriot and by 2013 not only she is one of the three original members to remain in the team (the others being the OfficialCouple) but also she is the only member to currently appear in two ongoing series at the same time as of the start of Young Avengers Volume 2 with a co-starring role in the current Hawkeye book. Kate is also often chosen as the most popular character of the team by fans (Wiccan or Kid Loki being the only members who can match her popularity).

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: During the first years of the Young Avengers, Kate never had the main focus of a story and was there only as the link that maintained the team together morally and financially. Later she somehow took the title of leader from Patriot and by 2013 not only she is one of the three original members to remain in the team (the others being the OfficialCouple) but also she is the only member to currently appear in two ongoing series at the same time as of the start of Young Avengers Volume 2 with a co-starring role in the current Hawkeye book. Kate is also often chosen as the most popular character of the team by fans (Wiccan or Kid Loki being the only members who can match her popularity). At this point, its safe to say she's officially the BreakoutCharacter of the book.


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** Though, this is easily topped in #13, with [[spoiler: Loki confessing the fact he's not really Kid!Loki but the amalgamation of him and Ikol after the latter killed the former, the Ex-Men and Leah being revealed to be figments he conjured up due to his new-found guilt complex, Teddy getting past his existential issues and embracing Billy, complete with a BigDamnKiss that gives Billy what he needs to, temporarily, become the ''[[PhysicalGod Demiurge]]'', finally defeating Mother.]]


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* StrangledByTheRedString: At least at first, Kate and Eli's attraction was an InformedAttribute; they argued a lot, and it was stated by Cassie this was due to UnresolvedSexualTension...but it really just looked like they didn't like each other. This seems to largely get dropped, though it gets picked back up after the two have spent more time together and actually have real chemistry.
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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of [[NewMutants New X-Men]], {{Runaways}} and AvengersAcademy. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of [[NewMutants ''[[ComicBook/NewMutants New X-Men]], {{Runaways}} X-Men]]'', ''ComicBook/{{Runaways}}'' and AvengersAcademy.''ComicBook/AvengersAcademy''. Vol.2 added ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.
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* FandomRivalry: To some extent with Ant-Man's fandom, after his current series had Cassie Lang regress back to her pre-Stature characterization (including de-aging her to 15, which many feel is a blatant retcon). Many a Young Avengers fan were hoping her revival in his book would mean some kind of Hawkeye-esque team-up between Cassie and Scott, as a father/daughter superhero team. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Unfortunately this wasn't the case]].
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** Tommy is consistently the least developed member of the team, but is well liked by most of the fans, to the point that his lack of development is something of a sour point for many. He's also Kate's most popular hetero pairing, despite the two not actually officially hooking up.


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** And of course, the ''LokiAgentOfAsgard'' fandom, in large part because it essentially spun out from Gillen's run.
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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of [[NewMutants New X-Men]], {{Runaways}} and AvengersAcademy. Vol.2 added JourneyIntoMystery fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.

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* FriendlyFandoms: With fans of [[NewMutants New X-Men]], {{Runaways}} and AvengersAcademy. Vol.2 added JourneyIntoMystery ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' fans with introduction of Kid Loki to the team and by virtue of being written by [[Creator/KieronGillen the same person]]. And of course last two issues of vol.2 took an advantage of it with Young Avengers inviting all other teen heroes on huge party.



* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 8 of vol.2 - it has several strong moments that would each end up being a cliffhanger in another story - attack by monstrous versions of [[spoiler: Noh-Varr's first love, Exterminatrix]], then landing in a dimension where stars are [[spoiler: build into giant image of Billy]], then team getting separated after [[spoiler: Mother's attack]], then return of [[spoiler: JourneyIntoMystery character, Leah]] and finally [[spoiler: David kissing Teddy]].

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* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 8 of vol.2 - it has several strong moments that would each end up being a cliffhanger in another story - attack by monstrous versions of [[spoiler: Noh-Varr's first love, Exterminatrix]], then landing in a dimension where stars are [[spoiler: build into giant image of Billy]], then team getting separated after [[spoiler: Mother's attack]], then return of [[spoiler: JourneyIntoMystery ''ComicBook/JourneyIntoMystery'' character, Leah]] and finally [[spoiler: David kissing Teddy]].
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: Volume 2 comes with a soundtrack playlist courtesy of Gillen's blog, and a number of songs with some thematic resonance show up in the story.

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* HilariousInHindsight: Wiccan's original name was Asgardian and based on Thor, but changed it due to possible jokes about a gay superhero whose name sounds like 'ass guardian'. Then lo and behold, Charmin used the joke on an ad on twitter for ThorTheDarkworld which has a large section of gay fan fiction.

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** The new readers wanted ad Loki handed out in the promotional one-shot had an interesting curse attached: "Be there or be involved in a string of massive corporate crossover events for your entire run"... well, apparently ''he'' wasn't there enough because his [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard new solo series]] was involved in ''[[Comicbook/OriginalSin bo]][[Comicbook/{{Axis}} th]]'' "[[CrisisCrossover massive corporate crossover events]]" of 2014. Not that this isn't a totally Loki thing to happen.

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** The new readers wanted ad Loki handed out in the promotional one-shot had an interesting curse attached: "Be there or be involved in a string of massive corporate crossover events for your entire run"... well, apparently ''he'' wasn't there enough because his [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard new solo series]] was involved in ''[[Comicbook/OriginalSin bo]][[Comicbook/{{Axis}} th]]'' "[[CrisisCrossover massive corporate crossover events]]" of 2014.2014 and will be in the [[ComicBook/SecretWars2015 one]] of 2015. Not that this isn't a totally Loki thing to happen.
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** The new readers wanted ad Loki handed out in the promotional one-shot had an interesting curse attached: "Be there or be involved in a string of massive corporate crossover events for your entire run"... well, apparently ''he'' wasn't there enough because his [[Comicbook/LokiAgentOfAsgard new solo series]] was involved in ''[[Comicbook/OriginalSin bo]][[Comicbook/{{Axis}} th]]'' "[[CrisisCrossover massive corporate crossover events]]" of 2014. Not that this isn't a totally Loki thing to happen.
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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kat/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.

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** Iron Lad has some with Billy in the post-''[[ComicBook/TheChildrensCrusade Children's Crusade]]'' comic that explains why he showed up again to interfere with the timeline. First there's a flashback, during which Billy's response to Nate defeating Electro is to hug him from behind, which Nate looks rather pleased about. A few minutes later, Nate almost dies but Billy [[CPRCleanPrettyReliable resuscitates him with CPR]]. Nate apologizes for coughing into Billy's mouth, to which Billy replies that it wasn't as if he [Billy] didn't enjoy it. The scene then switches back to the future, wherein Kang encourages Iron Lad to go back in time to change things by telling him that Billy was murdered by the Avengers. Nate immediately decides to repay Billy for saving his life despite the fact that he's warned that doing so puts him closer to becoming Kang. As soon as Nate's gone...
--->'''Future Billy:''' You didn't have to lie to him.
--->'''Future Kang:''' Probably not, but it had the desired effect. Besides, I knew he'd do anything for ''you''.
** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kat/Anyone Kate/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.

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** Loki. Fact that [[spoiler: members of Ex-Men were really duplicates created by his subconciousnes]] lead some people to belive he is attracted to every single member of the team.

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** Loki. Fact The fact that [[spoiler: members of Ex-Men were really duplicates created by his subconciousnes]] subconsciousness]] lead some people to belive believe he is attracted to every single member of the team.


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** An understated one in #4, in how Loki convinces Billy to loan him what's left of Billy's powers for ten minutes. Just the thought of Teddy being forced to go through what Loki's suggesting is enough for Billy to agree despite his misgivings.
-->'''Loki:''' Do you want your boyfriend to [[NeckSnap snap your neck]] to save everyone's lives, Wiccan? Because ''he'' doesn't.
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* BaseBreaker: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series, and her entire character is either a role-model for women or an insulting list of UnfortunateImplications.

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* BaseBreaker: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series, and her entire character is either a role-model for women or an insulting list of UnfortunateImplications.series.
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* MyRealDaddy: Because of her big promotion to the main Young Avengers team and the increased focus on her and a huge surge in popularity, fans are probably more likely to associate Miss America with Creator/KieronGillen and Jamie [=McKelvie=] than they are Joe Casey or Nick Dragotta.

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* MyRealDaddy: Because of her big promotion to the main Young Avengers team and the increased focus on her and a huge surge in popularity, fans are probably more likely to associate Miss America with Creator/KieronGillen and Jamie [=McKelvie=] than they are Joe Casey Creator/JoeCasey or Nick Dragotta.

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* FanDumb: The reaction to America [[spoiler: being slightly disappointed by Billy after she used to fan-worship the Demiurge was taken as a huge slight by some of Billy's fans. This, despite the fact that she's ''still friendly'' toward him, to say the least, actively tells him to be who and what he wants to be, and is still a teen herself - occasionally poorly-justified opinions included. Some fans, however, have made her out to be a complete monster because of this, going as far as to claim that America doesn't care that Billy has issues of his own and/or doesn't care that at one point he was ready to commit suicide to stop Mother]].
*** People keep comparing a flirtatious, if somewhat presumptuous, comment she made toward Kate to [[UnfortunateImplications justification for rape]].
** Several people's reaction to many of the team members mentioning that they had same-sex interests/had had same-sex encounters in the past was dismay because it made the comic too gay.



* HateDumb: Gillen/McKelvie's run seems to attract a lot of passionate hatred, with some claims of it being pretentious and attacking every little line of dialogue and scene in the book, to the point it appears some people were reading the series ''just'' so they could insult it better.
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** On a similar note, many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall.= that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.

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** David and Miss America for the new run, due to [[spoiler: David surprise kissing Teddy and Miss America no longer worshiping Billy Kaplan]]

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** On a similar note, many readers won't forgive Patriot for screwing up Wanda's attempt to save the mutant race, leading to ''Avengers vs X-Men'', a story built atop a ''massive'' ConflictBall.= that both Avengers and X-Men fans tend to take issue with.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Wiccan's original name was Asgardian and based on Thor, but changed it due to possible jokes about a gay superhero whose name sounds like 'ass guardian'. Then lo and behold, Charmin used the joke on an ad on twitter for ThorTheDarkworld which has a large section of gay fan fiction.
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* BaseBreaker: Loki, Billy, and America are the biggest, and Kate to a lesser extent. Loki and Billy are either great characters to read or a CreatorsPet and SpotlightStealingSquad respectfully, America is either a fun addition or a complete JerkAss, and Kate is either the best or worst thing about the Hawkeye series, and her entire character is either a role-model for women or an insulting list of UnfortunateImplications.


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*** Hell, the ''first scene'' is split; Kate and Noh-Var's hookup in the opening either makes them unlikeable, or its just a sign of them being two happy, healthy young adults having fun. Even those who dislike it are splits; either they're too casual about it ([[SlutShaming especially Kate]]), or Kate's mini internal-shaming sends a bad message to how to react to having one night stands.
** On the same note as the two above, Billy and Teddy's relationship: Either its a great portrayal of a healthy, loving gay couple, or they're dull and boring because they never have any troubles. Then Gillen's run gave them some problems, and people are spit on if that made them more interesting or less interesting.


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* HateDumb: Gillen/McKelvie's run seems to attract a lot of passionate hatred, with some claims of it being pretentious and attacking every little line of dialogue and scene in the book, to the point it appears some people were reading the series ''just'' so they could insult it better.


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** LesYay: Kate and America is pretty popular, in fact probably the most popular Kat/Anyone pairing, thanks to their few interactions in Vol 2 having America sightly tease Kate, and calling her [[AffectionateNickname Princess regularly]]. The final issue having America come out as gay herself and claim that Kate's 'not that straight', really helps matters.


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** The pacing of Gillen's run as well resulted in some backdraft, though this died down as the pacing improved.


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** JerkassWoobie: Loki. [[spoiler: the entire conflict is basically his own self-loathing and guilt personified, and it all started because of his gambit to steal Billy's power]].
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* ScapegoatCreator: There is a lot of really dedicated hatred directed at Kieron Gillen for his run of the comic.

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