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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotHeinous: Many people today may not find too much wrong with Eustace's family, as was described in the beginning -- though others may argue that the issue was with "faddism" as the likely motivation behind their lifestyle, rather than with their lifestyle per se.
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*** While Coriakin himself turns out to be a [[CoolOldGuy Cool Old Guy]], Lucy's walk up to the magician's study can get pretty unnerving--walking up a flight of stairs and down a hallway in complete silence, with strange carvings and paintings on the walls, doors that won't shut, and a minor [[JumpScare Jump Scare]] in the form of the bearded mirror.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: The first appearance of the green mist.
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* IncestSubtext: An [[AccidentalInnuendo accidental one]], the scene at the beginning of the movie where Lucy does a gesture that is meant for flirting right in front of Edmund. For the people who haven't read the books and didn't know Lucy's actual intentions, that scene accidentally implied that Lucy actually intended to flirt with him, until the explanation was given later.
** It should be noted however that while she did do it in front of him, she was certainly not doing it AT him. She actually looked startled and embarrassed when he asked her what she was doing.
** There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed that she was ''the only person'' he wanted beside him when he planned to obtain power. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...or who to live with...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
** It should be noted however that while she did do it in front of him, she was certainly not doing it AT him. She actually looked startled and embarrassed when he asked her what she was doing.
** There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed that she was ''the only person'' he wanted beside him when he planned to obtain power. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...or who to live with...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
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** It should be noted however that while she did do it in front of him, she was certainly not doing it AT him. She actually looked startled and embarrassed when he asked her what she was doing.
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*** Considering the movie didn't shy away from incestual subtext (see below), [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be both]].
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*** Considering the movie didn't shy away from incestual subtext (see below), [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar could be both]].
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** There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed that she was the only one he wanted beside him when he planned to obtain power. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...or who to live with...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
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* IncestSubtext: An [[AccidentalInnuendo accidental one]], the scene at the beginning of the movie where Lucy does a gesture that is meant for flirting right in front of Edmund. For the people who haven't read the books and didn't know Lucy's actual intentions, that scene accidentally implied that Lucy actually intended to flirt with him, until the explanation was given later. There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed she was the only one that he wanted beside him when he planned to obtain power. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...or who to live with...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
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* IncestSubtext: An [[AccidentalInnuendo accidental one]], the scene at the beginning of the movie where Lucy does a gesture that is meant for flirting right in front of Edmund. For the people who haven't read the books and didn't know Lucy's actual intentions, that scene accidentally implied that Lucy actually intended to flirt with him, until the explanation was given later.
** There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed that she was the only onethat he wanted beside him when he planned to obtain power. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...or who to live with...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
** There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed that she was the only one
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* IncestSubtext: An [[AccidentalInnuendo accidental one]], the scene at the beginning of the movie where Lucy does a gesture that is meant for flirting right in front of Edmund. For the people who haven't read the books and don't know Lucy's actual intentions, that scene accidentally implies that Lucy actually intended to flirt with him, until the explanation is given later. There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]]. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
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* IncestSubtext: An [[AccidentalInnuendo accidental one]], the scene at the beginning of the movie where Lucy does a gesture that is meant for flirting right in front of Edmund. For the people who haven't read the books and don't didn't know Lucy's actual intentions, that scene accidentally implies implied that Lucy actually intended to flirt with him, until the explanation is was given later. There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]].her]], especially since Edmund clearly showed she was the only one that he wanted beside him when he planned to obtain power. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...or who to live with...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
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* IncestSubtext: An [[AccidentalInnuendo accidental one]], the scene at the beginning of the movie where Lucy does a gesture that is meant for flirting right in front of Edmund. For the people who haven't read the books and don't know Lucy's actual intentions, that scene accidentally implies that Lucy actually intended to flirt with him, until the explanation is given later. There is also Edmund's brief FaceHeelTurn and temporary evil phase in which he hungrily stares at her and tries to lure her [[WeCanRuleTogether into becoming rich and powerful along with him]]. Since his brain ''[[ThisIsYourBrainOnEvil actually was on evil]]'', some fans pointed out [[BrotherSisterIncest that it looked like he wanted more than that from her]]. The line ''Lucy...no one could tell us what to do...'', followed by her widening her eyes in fear, supported it too.
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* FridgeHorror: Lord Rhoop, the one found on the rock in the middle of Dark Island, has likely been constantly fighting his worst nightmares with no food and no rest for years.
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** Perhaps because they're moving closer and closer to Aslan's country, Narnia's equivalent of Heaven.
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** The mileage in this one varies a lot. Frankly, to some people they just became like brothers and the touching one-hug at the end just accentuates their brotherly connection. After all, Caspian does tell them they are like his ''family'' to him.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Caspian's ship is named "Dawn Treader". And the crew's journey is to ultimately find the Utter East that both their king and Reepicheep long to see... thus, when they finally arrive at the Utter East, the "Treader" quite literally treads the very Dawn of a new day.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: The last couple chapters are rather ... surreal.
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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: The description of Lucy making her way to Coriakin's GreatBigBookOfEverything is almost as nerve-wracking for the readers as it is for her. [[spoiler:Thankfully turned into DefangedHorrors after Lucy succeeds and meets [[CoolOldGuy Coriakin in person]]]].
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:NightmareFuel: Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
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** The Green Mist.
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** It's not that far-fetched, considering that Caspian spends much of the movie offering Edmund ancient swords he'd been given in recognition of his own kingship. Then there is the very intimate scene of them getting dressed and the touching centre-stage hug at the end.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Everything, and I mean ''everything'' that Reepicheep does or says.
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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: The description of Lucy making her way to Coriakin's GreatBigBookOfEverything is almost as nerve-wracking for the readers as it is for her. [[spoiler:Thankfully turned into DefangedHorrors after Lucy succeeds and meets [[CoolOldGuy Coriakin in person]]]].
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Everything, and I mean ''everything'' that Reepicheep does or says.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
** As far as we know, the golden statues aren't sentient. Probably they just stay dormant unless Aslan breathes on them, like the Witch's statues.
** Plus the [[SuperFunHappyThingOfDoom Island Where Dreams Come True]]. Not daydreams. ''[[OhCrap Dreams]]''. As in ''[[NightmareSequence nightmares]]''.
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* AccidentalNightmareFuel: The description of Lucy making her way to Coriakin's GreatBigBookOfEverything is almost as nerve-wracking for the readers as it is for her. [[spoiler:Thankfully turned into DefangedHorrors after Lucy succeeds and meets [[CoolOldGuy Coriakin in person]]]].
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Everything, and I mean ''everything'' that Reepicheep does or says.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Goldwater Island, full stop. [[spoiler: [[IDontLikeTheSoundOfThatPlace Deathwater Island]] [[AndIMustScream is right]]]].
** As far as we know, the golden statues aren't sentient. Probably they just stay dormant unless Aslan breathes on them, like the Witch's statues.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealously towards Caspian and well...
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealously towards Caspian and well...well...
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: The sea serpent [[spoiler: especially when it splits open!]]
** And Dark Island.
* HoYay: Apparently, Caspian and Edmund, for some people.
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* HoYay: Apparently, Caspian and Edmund, for some people.
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* YourMileageMayVary: Is it a PragmaticAdaptation that managed to make a streamlined story out a relatively directionless book, or does it suffer from a [[AdaptationDecay contrived attempt to add conflict to a story that really didn't need it]]?
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealously towards Caspian and well...
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* YourMileageMayVary: Is it a PragmaticAdaptation that managed to make a streamlined story out a relatively directionless book, or does it suffer from a [[AdaptationDecay contrived attempt to add conflict to a story that really didn't need it]]?
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite the green mist appearing to Edmund as the White Witch and tempting him with power, saying "I can make you a man", and "you can be my king", but he keeps threatening her away with his sword. The dark island manifests Edmund's greatest fear; a large phallic monster. Combine that with his jealously towards Caspian and well...well...
* YourMileageMayVary: Is it a PragmaticAdaptation that managed to make a streamlined story out a relatively directionless book, or does it suffer from a [[AdaptationDecay contrived attempt to add conflict to a story that really didn't need it]]?
* YourMileageMayVary: Is it a PragmaticAdaptation that managed to make a streamlined story out a relatively directionless book, or does it suffer from a [[AdaptationDecay contrived attempt to add conflict to a story that really didn't need it]]?
