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* IdiotPlot: Critics of the episode pointed out Justin could have just either listened to the podcast all the way ''or'' just continued to have someone listen to the podcast instead of acting irrationally (though he ''tried'' the latter; nobody believed him).
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* WhatAnIdiot: Justin instantly believes Joe when he says that he was a former pilot, never bothers to question his credentials or competency, and ends up helping him access the flight deck in order to ''hijack the airplane.''
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** The crash wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, and that had the passengers stranded for months, with no means of communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.

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** The crash wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, and that had the passengers stranded for months, with no means of communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing no reason to be grateful to him.
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* IdiotPlot: Critics of the episode pointed out Justin could have just either listened to the podcast all the way ''or'' just continued to have someone listen to the podcast instead of acting irrationally.

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* IdiotPlot: Critics of the episode pointed out Justin could have just either listened to the podcast all the way ''or'' just continued to have someone listen to the podcast instead of acting irrationally.irrationally (though he ''tried'' the latter; nobody believed him).
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** There is also the fact that for all they know he was in league with the hijacker as he was seen talking to him moments before he entered the cockpit, plus all the shady-looking things he was doing before hand. Plus, even if they did know whole truth, he could still be considered to have a large part of the blame for the crash as he followed the voice of a podcast seemingly because he wanted to be a hero.

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** There is also the fact that for all they know he was in league with the hijacker as he was seen talking to him moments before he entered the cockpit, plus all the shady-looking things he was doing before hand. Plus, even if they did know the whole truth, he could still be considered to have a large part of the blame for the crash as he followed the voice of a podcast seemingly because he wanted to be a hero.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straight-laced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical:
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Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straight-laced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.

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I'm not sure about the "unitentionally"


* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both the survivors of Flight 1015 and Justin fall into this.
** The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'', sans Joe. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and cover it up.
** However, it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, and that had them stranded for months, with no means of communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both the survivors of Flight 1015 and Justin may fall into this.
** The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'', sans Joe. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and cover it up.
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** However, it The crash wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, and that had them the passengers stranded for months, with no means of communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.
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Is he a woobie? He caused the crash.


** A point is also made on judgement coming based on your actions and their consequences, and not just your intentions.
* TheWoobie: Justin tries to stop the plane from crashing only to unintentionally cause it, and gets killed by the survivors of the plane as a result.

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** A point is also made on judgement coming based on your actions and their consequences, and not just your intentions.
* TheWoobie: Justin tries to stop the plane from crashing only to unintentionally cause it, and gets killed by the survivors of the plane as a result.
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Justin didn't save anyone. He caused the crash.


** The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'', sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and cover it up.

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** The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'', sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and cover it up.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Both the survivors of Flight 1015 and Justin fall into this.



** Still, he had no idea Joe would've been the one who crashed the plane. And while he didn't make the situation any better by repeatedly harassing the passengers based on incomplete information, he did ''try'' to save them and his fate of being beaten to death and effectively ''lynched'' is way too brutal.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Justin Sanderson TheCassandra, doomed to fail to avert a plane crash because no one would listen to his warnings? Or is he a [[NiceJobBreakingItHero glory-seeking hero who endangered everyone]] with his antics, creating an accident that would have never happened if he had simply followed the flight crew's orders?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Justin Sanderson TheCassandra, doomed to fail to avert a plane crash because no one would listen to his warnings? Or is he a GlorySeeker IdiotHero [[NiceJobBreakingItHero glory-seeking hero who endangered everyone]] with his antics, creating ''creating'' an accident that would have never happened if he had simply followed the flight crew's orders?


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* WhatAnIdiot: Justin instantly believes Joe when he says that he was a former pilot, never bothers to question his credentials or competency, and ends up helping him access the flight deck in order to ''hijack the airplane.''
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Justin Sanderson TheCassandra, doomed to fail to avert a plane crash because no one would listen to his warnings? Or is he a [[NiceJobBreakingItHero glory-seeking hero who endangered everyone]] with his antics, creating an accident that would have never happened if he had simply followed the flight crew's orders?
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: ** Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straightlaced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: ** Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straightlaced straight-laced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.

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* EndingFatigue: The coda on the island is completely pointless, only serving to pound a message that was already perfectly clear even further in.

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* EndingFatigue: The coda on the island is completely pointless, only serving to pound in a message that was already perfectly clear even further in.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'' sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and cover it up.
** A crash that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, however, and that had them stranded for months, with no means of communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.
** There is also the fact that for all they know he was in league with the hijacker as he was seen talking to him moments before he entered the cockpit, plus all the shady looking things he was doing before hand. Plus, even if they did know whole truth, he could still be considered to have a large part of the blame for the crash as he followed the voice of seemingly podcast cause he wanted to be a hero.
*** Still, he had no idea Joe would've been the one who crashed the plane. And while he didn't make the situation any better by repeatedly harassing the passengers based on incomplete information, he did ''try'' to save them and his fate of being beaten to death and effectively ''lynched'' is way too brutal.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straightlaced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: UnintentionallyUnsympathetic:
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The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'' crash'', sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and cover it up.
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** A crash that However, it wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, however, and that had them stranded for months, with no means of communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.
** There is also the fact that for all they know he was in league with the hijacker as he was seen talking to him moments before he entered the cockpit, plus all the shady looking shady-looking things he was doing before hand. Plus, even if they did know whole truth, he could still be considered to have a large part of the blame for the crash as he followed the voice of a podcast seemingly podcast cause because he wanted to be a hero.
*** ** Still, he had no idea Joe would've been the one who crashed the plane. And while he didn't make the situation any better by repeatedly harassing the passengers based on incomplete information, he did ''try'' to save them and his fate of being beaten to death and effectively ''lynched'' is way too brutal.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: ** Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straightlaced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.



* TheWoobie: Justin tries to stop the plane from crashing only to unintentionally cause it and gets killed by the survivors of the plane as a result.

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* TheWoobie: Justin tries to stop the plane from crashing only to unintentionally cause it it, and gets killed by the survivors of the plane as a result.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'' sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and just say Justin didn't survive.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'' sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and just say Justin didn't survive.cover it up.


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*** Still, he had no idea Joe would've been the one who crashed the plane. And while he didn't make the situation any better by repeatedly harassing the passengers based on incomplete information, he did ''try'' to save them and his fate of being beaten to death and effectively ''lynched'' is way too brutal.

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** A crash that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, however, and that had them stranded for months, with no means of comunication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.

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** A crash that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, however, and that had them stranded for months, with no means of comunication communication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.him.
** There is also the fact that for all they know he was in league with the hijacker as he was seen talking to him moments before he entered the cockpit, plus all the shady looking things he was doing before hand. Plus, even if they did know whole truth, he could still be considered to have a large part of the blame for the crash as he followed the voice of seemingly podcast cause he wanted to be a hero.
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* IdiotPlot: Critics of the episode pointed out Justin could have just either listened to the podcast all the way ''or'' just continued to have someone listen to the podcast instead of acting irrationally.
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** A crash that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Justin, however, and that had them stranded for months, with no means of comunication with the rest of the world, before eventually being saved. It still doesn't justify the murder and the cover-up, but they had absolutely nothing to be grateful to him.


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** A point is also made on judgement coming based on your actions and their consequences, and not just your intentions.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: The survivors of Flight 1015 in can be seen as this considering ''they all survived the crash'' sans Joe. Considering Justin had been already trying to prevent the plane crash, they should have instead been grateful they survived. Instead they kill him and considering what the podcast implies, they flat out lie and just say Justin didn't survive.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Justin implicitly trusts his fellow straightlaced white man over the various minorities among the passengers, never once considering him among the suspects for crashing the plane until it’s too late.
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* EndingFatigue: The coda on the island is completely pointless, only serving to pound a message that was already perfectly clear even further in.
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* {{Narm}}: The revelation that Joe Beaumont was the pilot that crashed the plane is accompanied not only by LyricalDissonance "Fly Me to the Moon", but Justin's subdued comment "Oh shit. [[CaptainObvious ''He's the pilot''.]]"

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* {{Narm}}: The revelation that Joe Beaumont was the pilot that crashed the plane is accompanied not only by LyricalDissonance "Fly Me to the Moon", but Justin's subdued comment "Oh shit. [[CaptainObvious ''He's ''[[CaptainObvious He's the pilot''.]]"pilot.]]''"
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* {{Narm}}: The revelation that Joe Beaumont was the pilot that crashed the plane is accompanied not only by LyricalDissonance "Fly Me to the Moon", but Justin's subdued comment "Oh shit. [[CaptainObvious ''He's the pilot''.]]"
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* TheWoobie: Justin tries to stop the plane from crashing only to unintentionally cause it and gets killed by the survivors of the plane as a result.

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