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** Big building in Neu Berlin.[[labelnote]]One day, discord user Baxter asked a question in the former #ask-a-dev channel on the official TNO discord. The question said "[[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92gguy/madlad_finally_breaks_panzer/ can you create neu berlin with that giant building]]" The question, answered in the very first dev diaries, broke Panzer on the spot, who proceeds to rage type in the channel (while Baxter replies "oh thank you"), and shuts down the channel soon after. The incident soon became a meme in the community.[[/labelnote]]

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** Big building in Neu Berlin.[[labelnote]]One [[labelnote:Explanation]]One day, discord user Baxter asked a question in the former #ask-a-dev channel on the official TNO discord. The question said "[[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92gguy/madlad_finally_breaks_panzer/ can you create neu berlin with that giant building]]" The question, answered in the very first dev diaries, broke Panzer on the spot, who proceeds to rage type in the channel (while Baxter replies "oh thank you"), and shuts down the channel soon after. The incident soon became a meme in the community.[[/labelnote]]
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** Big building in Neu Berlin.[[labelnote]]One day, discord user Baxter asked a question in the former #ask-a-dev channel on the official TNO discord. The question said "[[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92gguy/madlad_finally_breaks_panzer/ can you create neu berlin with that giant building]]" The question, answered in the very first dev diaries, broke Panzer on the spot, who proceeds to rage type in the channel (while Baxter replies "oh thank you"), and shuts down the channel soon after. The incident soon became a meme in the community.[[/labelnote]]
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** South America is a void, nothing happens there. [[labelnote:Explanation]]After the mod's developers confirmed that ''The New Order'' will not include any content whatsoever for South America at launch, several users took to use that sentence as a meme, making a jab at how alternate history fics frequently ignore South America. Sometimes, fans also joke about this being an actual lore element in the mod, with South American countries having a CozyCatastrophe during the apocalypse because [[TallPoppySyndrome everyone forgot to nuke it]] [[InvertedTrope thanks to its irrelevancy]] (and then going on to [[TakeOverTheWorld take over]] [[DarkHorseVictory the world]]), or even the entire continent being literally [[GroundhogDayLoop frozen in time]], as a reference to a certain [[https://www.deviantart.com/alexandernorthah/art/Nothing-Happens-in-South-America-787283748 alt-history short fic]].[[/labelnote]]
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: AlternateHistoryNaziVictory is a big cliche in fiction, but we should be thankful we don't live such a corrupted and nightmarish world.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: AlternateHistoryNaziVictory is a big cliche in fiction, but we should be thankful we don't live such a corrupted and nightmarish world.world.
* TearJerker: The event option for the Thermonuclear War superevent, about the horrifying demise of the human civilization as we know it, is as laconic as is concise. "So long"...
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** Some people prefer Bormann to Speer for the fact that he might facilitate a smooth collapse of the Nazi empire without causing too much chaos.

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** Some people prefer Bormann to Speer for the fact that he might facilitate a smooth collapse of the Nazi empire without causing too much chaos.chaos, whereas Speer could potentially legitimate Nazism further if his reforms suceed.
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** Albert Speer is much more preferred by the Chinese community than the Western TNO fanbase.


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** Some people prefer Bormann to Speer for the fact that he might facilitate a smooth collapse of the Nazi empire without causing too much chaos.

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Naw. There are better mods to succeed that than this alternate history mod.


* DracoInLeatherPants: The full mod hasn't been released yet and the DSR is an entire faction of this despite having little actual knowledge of Communism and arguably being worse than the Nazis in many aspects, as the tropes this page will show.

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The full mod hasn't been released yet and the DSR is an entire faction of this despite having little actual knowledge of Communism and arguably being worse than the Nazis in many aspects, as the tropes this page will show.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: AlternateHistoryNaziVictory is a big cliche in fiction, but we should be thankful we don't live such a corrupted and nightmarish world.
* SpiritualSuccessor: More or less to the cancelled ''East vs. West'', a ''Hearts of Iron'' game that was to be set during the OTL Cold War.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: AlternateHistoryNaziVictory is a big cliche in fiction, but we should be thankful we don't live such a corrupted and nightmarish world. \n* SpiritualSuccessor: More or less to the cancelled ''East vs. West'', a ''Hearts of Iron'' game that was to be set during the OTL Cold War.
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** Carlo Scorza has gotten a significant fan following with many preferring him over Ciano due to the fact that despite being a Fascist, his reforms can be very progressive. This has gotten to the point where the main Italy dev had to state on the TNO reddit that at the end of the day Scorza is still a repressive fascist and this his route will have problems down the line.
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** The DSR rarely even appears during the game (the German Civil War ends before the Anarchy starts in most of times), has a slim chance of winning the war and ultimately can end up even worse than Nazis themselves, yet they gained a huge follolwing, becoming even more popular than some other Civil War contenders.

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** The DSR rarely even appears during the game (the German Civil War ends before the Anarchy starts in most of times), has a slim chance of winning the war and ultimately can end up even worse than Nazis themselves, yet they gained a huge follolwing, following, becoming even more popular than some other Civil War contenders.



* MisaimedFandom: The DSR, as the above and below trope demonstrates.
** In general though, the creators of the mod are aiming to avert this with Fascists and Nazis who would be attracted to an Axis victory scenario by holding no punches regarding how awful the world would be if their side won World War II, where extreme-right leaders are incapable of surviving without destroying themselves or changing their ways.

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* MisaimedFandom: The DSR, Although the DSR's following is mostly tongue-in-cheek, it has its fair share of unironic supporters, as the above and below trope demonstrates.
** In general though, the creators of the mod are aiming to avert this with Fascists and Nazis who would be attracted to an Axis victory scenario by holding no punches regarding how awful the world would be if their side won World War II, where extreme-right leaders are incapable of surviving effectively governing their countries without destroying themselves self-destructing, turning on each other, or changing their ways.

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** This isn't working [[labelnote:Explanation]] A reference to the focus trees of the [[https://i.redd.it/bmuq6pcn54x11.png DSR]] (and, to a lesser extent, [[https://i.redd.it/8p0b6kxxz5231.png Azad Hind]]), who in their quests to eradicate any trace of Nazism/Bengali identity respectively commit what basically amounts to auto-genocide. The term has since come to be used in reference to those who realise that they aren't getting anywhere with their killing... so the solution is clearly to double down![[/labelnote]]

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** This isn't working Isn't Working [[labelnote:Explanation]] A reference to the focus trees of the [[https://i.redd.it/bmuq6pcn54x11.png DSR]] (and, to a lesser extent, [[https://i.redd.it/8p0b6kxxz5231.png Azad Hind]]), who in their quests to eradicate any trace of Nazism/Bengali identity respectively commit what basically amounts to auto-genocide. The term has since come to be used in reference to those who realise that they aren't getting anywhere with their killing... so the solution is clearly to double down![[/labelnote]]down![[/labelnote]]
** Calm The Hell Down! [[labelnote:Explanation]]A reference to the "Bend To Segregationists" path for [[https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474738073549144066/534705902968766475/nixon_civil_rights_tree.png "The Civil Rights Dilemma" of Nixon's Focus Tree]] - which, due to the InMediasRes nature of his presidency, [[WhatCouldHaveBeen he can never take]] - with the final focus named this showing a picture of an angry Nixon, with the implication that [[TheComplainerIsAlwaysWrong he's blaming everybody who's protesting/rioting against him for turning America into an Apartheid state for the mess his policies are creating]]. And in most {{Fanon}} interpretations, [[DeathByRacism this results in Nixon being assassinated]], [[AllohistoricalAllusion in a way not too dissimilar from his VP JFK]].[[/labelnote]]
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* AdaptationDisplacement: Even in an unreleased state, the ''New Order'' mod is far more known that [[https://facepunchrp.wikia.com/wiki/A_New_Order the short-lived Facepunch forums RP]] that the mod was based on.

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Even in an unreleased state, the ''New Order'' mod is far more known that than [[https://facepunchrp.wikia.com/wiki/A_New_Order the short-lived Facepunch forums RP]] that the mod was initially based on.



* SpiritualSuccessor: More or less to the cancelled East vs. West, a Hearts of Iron game that was to be set during the OTL Cold War.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: More or less to the cancelled East ''East vs. West, West'', a Hearts ''Hearts of Iron Iron'' game that was to be set during the OTL Cold War.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: AlternateHistoryNaziVictory is a big cliche in fiction, but we should be thankful we don't live such a corrupted and nightmarish world.

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** Comrades, is X not Fascist?[[labelnote:Explanation]]A meme template based on the [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/bjmmph/panzer_on_the_orenburg_council/ Orenburg Worker's Council]], which is extremely inefficient and often breaks down into people accusing each other being Fascists.[[/labelnote]]

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** Comrades, is X not Fascist?[[labelnote:Explanation]]A meme template based on the [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/bjmmph/panzer_on_the_orenburg_council/ Orenburg Worker's Council]], which [[NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering is extremely inefficient and often breaks down into people accusing each other being Fascists.Fascists]].[[/labelnote]]


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** This isn't working [[labelnote:Explanation]] A reference to the focus trees of the [[https://i.redd.it/bmuq6pcn54x11.png DSR]] (and, to a lesser extent, [[https://i.redd.it/8p0b6kxxz5231.png Azad Hind]]), who in their quests to eradicate any trace of Nazism/Bengali identity respectively commit what basically amounts to auto-genocide. The term has since come to be used in reference to those who realise that they aren't getting anywhere with their killing... so the solution is clearly to double down![[/labelnote]]
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* DracoInLeatherPants: The mod hasn't been released yet and the DSR is an entire faction of this despite having little actual knowledge of Communism and arguably being worse than the Nazis in many aspects, as the tropes this page will show.

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** Guss [[labelnote:Explanation]] A cowboy leader of America from an [[https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1298954107 unrelated mod for HoI IV]] who was featured [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1P-dnNlMCA in one of the dev-released videos]] as the leader of "Radical Left NPP Cowboy Coup" and became beloved by both the developers and the community. Guss uses the appearance of Ol' Jim Cathey, a cowboy poet from Texas.[[/labelnote]]

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** "Speertard"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A riff on the word "libtard", originating from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes.[[/labelnote]]

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** "Speertard"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A riff on the word "libtard", originating from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming evolving into Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes.[[/labelnote]]

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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting that grew from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingo that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".[[/labelnote]]

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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting that grew "Speertard"[[labelnote:Explanation]]A riff on the word "libtard", originating from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingo that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".stereotypes.[[/labelnote]]
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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting that grew from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingos that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".[[/labelnote]]

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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting that grew from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingos lingo that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".[[/labelnote]]
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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting riffing that grew from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingos that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".[[/labelnote]]

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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting riffing that grew from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingos that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".[[/labelnote]]
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** Heydrichposting[[labelnote:Explanation]]A style of shitposting riffing that grew from Heydrich-themed parodies of Turning Point USA memes, eventually becoming Heydrich-themed parodies of far-right stereotypes. One notable lingos that emerged from this is "Speertard", a parody of "libtard".[[/labelnote]]
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** [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Killed by a sledgehammer]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]When some person asked in Discord about the fate of UsefulNotes/LeonTrotsky, the lead developer answered them that Trotsky was killed by a sledgehammer. Since then, "killed by a sledgehammer" became a universal answer to questions about the fate of historical persons who aren't mentioned in the lore[[/labelnote]]

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** [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Killed by a sledgehammer]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]When some person asked in Discord about the fate of UsefulNotes/LeonTrotsky, the lead developer answered them that Trotsky was killed by a sledgehammer. Since then, "killed by a sledgehammer" became a universal answer to questions about the fate of historical persons who aren't mentioned in the lore[[/labelnote]]lore.[[/labelnote]]
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** S L E D G E H A M M E R E D[[labelnote:Explanation]]When people ask about "what happened to X person in TNO", lead dev [=ThePinkPanzer=] has a habit of explaining them away with death by sledgehammering.[[/labelnote]]

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** S L E D G E H A M M E R E D[[labelnote:Explanation]]When people ask about "what happened to X [[DroppedABridgeOnHim Killed by a sledgehammer]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]When some person asked in TNO", Discord about the fate of UsefulNotes/LeonTrotsky, the lead dev [=ThePinkPanzer=] has a habit of explaining developer answered them away with death that Trotsky was killed by sledgehammering.[[/labelnote]]a sledgehammer. Since then, "killed by a sledgehammer" became a universal answer to questions about the fate of historical persons who aren't mentioned in the lore[[/labelnote]]
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** S L E D G E H A M M E R E D[[labelnote:Explanation]]When people ask about "what happened to X person in TNO", lead dev [=ThePinkPanzer=] has a habit of explaining them away with death by sledgehammering.[[/labelnote]]

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* MemeticMutation: [[TemptingFate REALLY GOOD IDEA]][[labelnote:Explanation]]The [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92l02e/development_diary_xv_boers_and_border_wars/ South African War]] dev diary describes the creation of the Central African Republic to rule over former German African territories as a REALLY GOOD IDEA. It is absolutely not a good idea, and the term has since become a meme, describing any terrible ideas in TNO that you should not pursue.[[/labelnote]]

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[[TemptingFate REALLY GOOD IDEA]][[labelnote:Explanation]]The [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92l02e/development_diary_xv_boers_and_border_wars/ South African War]] dev diary describes the creation of the Central African Republic to rule over former German African territories as a REALLY GOOD IDEA. It is absolutely not a good idea, and the term has since become a meme, describing any terrible ideas in TNO that you should not pursue.[[/labelnote]]
** Comrades, is X not Fascist?[[labelnote:Explanation]]A meme template based on the [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/bjmmph/panzer_on_the_orenburg_council/ Orenburg Worker's Council]], which is extremely inefficient and often breaks down into people accusing each other being Fascists.
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: In spite of a language barrier, the mod in development became popular among the Chinese and Russian ''Hearts of Iron'' communities.

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* MemeticMutation: [[TemptingFate REALLY GOOD IDEA]][[labelnote:Explanation]]The [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92l02e/development_diary_xv_boers_and_border_wars/ South African War]] dev diary describes the creation of the Central African Republic to rule over former German African territories as a REALLY GOOD IDEA. It is absolutely not a good idea.[[/labelnote]]

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* MemeticMutation: [[TemptingFate REALLY GOOD IDEA]][[labelnote:Explanation]]The [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92l02e/development_diary_xv_boers_and_border_wars/ South African War]] dev diary describes the creation of the Central African Republic to rule over former German African territories as a REALLY GOOD IDEA. It is absolutely not a good idea.idea, and the term has since become a meme, describing any terrible ideas in TNO that you should not pursue.[[/labelnote]]
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** Playing the trope more straight, there are some fans who want to play as the various Nazi factions in the game. However, unlike the DSR where some players think they could be potential reformers (or feel that [[KickTheSonOfABitch their purges are justified against the Nazis]]), almost everybody who wants to play the Nazis does so purely because EvilIsCool - and in the case of [[JokeCharacter more incompetent]] Nazis like [[HeadInTheSandManagement Bormann]] and [[GeneralFailure Goring]], think that it's a SelfImposedChallenge to [[DarkHorseVictory succeed in taking over the world]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption even with leaders who are, by design, MEANT to fail catastrophically]]. Even choosing [[TokenGoodTeammate Speer]] is still rooting for the empire (in a sense), as he has to (as previously mentioned) [[KarmaHoudini have to let a ton of Nazis off the hook for their war crimes]] [[DealWithTheDevil to get their support with his government reforms]], and at BEST can become an Authoritarian Democrat, and at worst becomes an Italian-style fascist - he is ultimately ALighterShadeOfBlack compared to the Nazis (and even to the DSR), but Speer is no angel.

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** Playing the trope more straight, there are some fans who want to play as the various Nazi factions in the game. However, unlike the DSR where some players think they could be potential reformers (or feel that [[KickTheSonOfABitch their purges are justified against the Nazis]]), almost everybody who wants to play the Nazis does so purely because EvilIsCool - and in the case of [[JokeCharacter more incompetent]] Nazis like [[HeadInTheSandManagement Bormann]] and [[GeneralFailure Goring]], think that it's a SelfImposedChallenge to [[DarkHorseVictory succeed in taking over the world]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption even with leaders who are, by design, MEANT to fail catastrophically]]. Even choosing [[TokenGoodTeammate Speer]] is still rooting for the empire (in a sense), as he has to (as previously mentioned) [[KarmaHoudini have to let a ton of Nazis off the hook for their war crimes]] [[DealWithTheDevil to get their support with his government reforms]], and at BEST can become an Authoritarian Democrat, and at worst becomes an Italian-style fascist - he is ultimately ALighterShadeOfBlack compared to the Nazis (and even to the DSR), but Speer is no angel.angel.
* SpiritualSuccessor: More or less to the cancelled East vs. West, a Hearts of Iron game that was to be set during the OTL Cold War.
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** Nowa Polska, a rump state of the Polish people (and, in fact, the only one by the start of the mod) in Eastern Kazakhstan, of all places, became a major hit even before it was fully revealed.

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** Nowa Polska, a rump state of the Polish people (and, in fact, the only one by the start of the mod) in Eastern Western Kazakhstan, of all places, became a major hit even before it was fully revealed.
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* MemeticMutation: [[TemptingFate REALLY GOOD IDEA]][[labelnote:Explanation]]The [[https://www.reddit.com/r/TNOmod/comments/92l02e/development_diary_xv_boers_and_border_wars/ South African War]] dev diary describes the creation of the Central African Republic to rule over former German African territories as a REALLY GOOD IDEA. It is absolutely not a good idea.[[/labelnote]]

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* AdaptationDisplacement: Even in an unreleased state, the ''New Order'' mod is far more known that [[https://facepunchrp.wikia.com/wiki/A_New_Order the short-lived Facepunch forums RP]] that the mod was based on.
* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: This mod isn't even out yet and Albert Speer is already getting a lot of this. Is he a genuinely repentant about his actions as a Nazi and seek to redeem himself by reforming the Reich from within, or is he an unrepentant opportunist with little to no regrets about his role in Nazi atrocities that just seek to reform because it would be the pragmatic thing to do? Or both? And how much of it is Speer's own preferences and how much of it is him going along with the powerblock of reformists and young radicals he gathered behind him[[note]]With Göring [[WordOfGod it has been mentioned]] that a lot of his seeming personality shift towards extreme militarism is that he ended up allying with the extreme militarists in the internal struggle for power as Hitler's health decayed[[/note]]?
* DracoInLeatherPants: The mod hasn't been released yet and the DSR is an entire faction of this despite having little actual knowledge of Communism and arguably being worse than the Nazis in many aspects, as the tropes this page will show.
* EnsembleDarkHorse:
** The DSR rarely even appears during the game (the German Civil War ends before the Anarchy starts in most of times), has a slim chance of winning the war and ultimately can end up even worse than Nazis themselves, yet they gained a huge follolwing, becoming even more popular than some other Civil War contenders.
** Nowa Polska, a rump state of the Polish people (and, in fact, the only one by the start of the mod) in Eastern Kazakhstan, of all places, became a major hit even before it was fully revealed.
* MisaimedFandom: The DSR, as the above and below trope demonstrates.
** In general though, the creators of the mod are aiming to avert this with Fascists and Nazis who would be attracted to an Axis victory scenario by holding no punches regarding how awful the world would be if their side won World War II, where extreme-right leaders are incapable of surviving without destroying themselves or changing their ways.
* RootingForTheEmpire:
** Despite the DSR's aim possibly resulting in [[FromBadToWorse much larger purges than Heydrich's Germany]], a large contingent of players are already envisioning a Germany led by a victorious DSR as a good thing. The fact that [[EvilVsEvil they're up against]] [[ThoseWackyNazis actual Nazis]], as well as the fact that [[TokenGoodTeammate Speer]] winning the civil war and successfully reforming Germany means that [[KarmaHoudini Nazi Germany doesn't ever have to answer for its crimes]] doesn't help matters. Nor is the wrong impression from some players that the DSR are potential reformers, when they are very clearly basing themselves off the [[TheThemeParkVersion Nazi ideas of communism]] (complete with [[CriticalResearchFailure having no access to what communism IS outside of scattered black market pamphlets and Nazi propaganda]], and [[EveryoneHasStandards being openly denounced by every communist nation that is left on Earth]]), with [[AxCrazy all]] [[UnPerson that]] [[ThePurge entails]].
*** For similar reasons, some players have voiced support for the genocidal Abba Kovner.
** Playing the trope more straight, there are some fans who want to play as the various Nazi factions in the game. However, unlike the DSR where some players think they could be potential reformers (or feel that [[KickTheSonOfABitch their purges are justified against the Nazis]]), almost everybody who wants to play the Nazis does so purely because EvilIsCool - and in the case of [[JokeCharacter more incompetent]] Nazis like [[HeadInTheSandManagement Bormann]] and [[GeneralFailure Goring]], think that it's a SelfImposedChallenge to [[DarkHorseVictory succeed in taking over the world]] [[FailureIsTheOnlyOption even with leaders who are, by design, MEANT to fail catastrophically]]. Even choosing [[TokenGoodTeammate Speer]] is still rooting for the empire (in a sense), as he has to (as previously mentioned) [[KarmaHoudini have to let a ton of Nazis off the hook for their war crimes]] [[DealWithTheDevil to get their support with his government reforms]], and at BEST can become an Authoritarian Democrat, and at worst becomes an Italian-style fascist - he is ultimately ALighterShadeOfBlack compared to the Nazis (and even to the DSR), but Speer is no angel.

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