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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite the fact that she's both a founding member of the team and was originally TheLeader, Xuân/Karma is completely absent from the film. It's especially glaring considering the changes made to Illyana's backstory (as Xuân's own DarkAndTroubledPast involved her getting sexually assaulted by RuthlessModernDayPirates, so she could have easily been used instead) and Rahne and Dani getting hit with AdaptationalSexuality (why not use the New Mutant who's already canonically a lesbian)?

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite the fact that she's both a founding member of the team and was originally TheLeader, Xuân/Karma is completely absent from the film. It's especially glaring considering the changes made to Illyana's backstory (as Xuân's own DarkAndTroubledPast involved her getting sexually assaulted by RuthlessModernDayPirates, RuthlessModernPirates, so she could have easily been used instead) and Rahne and Dani getting hit with AdaptationalSexuality (why not use the New Mutant who's already canonically a lesbian)?
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite the fact that she's both a founding member of the team and was originally TheLeader, Karma is completely absent from the film. It's especially glaring since the film's main couple is a same-sex one -- rather than give Rahne and Dani AdaptationalSexuality, why didn't they use the New Mutant who's already canonically a lesbian?

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite the fact that she's both a founding member of the team and was originally TheLeader, Karma Xuân/Karma is completely absent from the film. It's especially glaring since considering the film's main couple is a same-sex one -- rather than give changes made to Illyana's backstory (as Xuân's own DarkAndTroubledPast involved her getting sexually assaulted by RuthlessModernDayPirates, so she could have easily been used instead) and Rahne and Dani AdaptationalSexuality, why didn't they getting hit with AdaptationalSexuality (why not use the New Mutant who's already canonically a lesbian?lesbian)?
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Despite the fact that she's both a founding member of the team and was originally TheLeader, Karma is completely absent from the film. It's especially glaring since the film's main couple is a same-sex one -- rather than give Rahne and Dani AdaptationalSexuality, why didn't they use the New Mutant who's already canonically a lesbian?
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That's disappointment, not mediocrity which is a mix of good/bad such audiences have no feelings about ut.


* SoOkayItsAverage: By far the most common consensus once people finally got to see it, with a promising story being let down by one-note characters. And of course, the fact that anticipation had been building for years didn't help at all.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The racist remarks Illyana and Roberto make, but what especially sticks out is when Roberto makes the comment "Hope she's a nympho" as Indigenous women tend to be sexualized and preyed on. Also her reservation being wiped out, leaving her as the SoulSurvivor. This obviously has not sat well with Indigenous viewers.
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The merger did not end chances of a trilogy. The movie was a box office flop and was savaged by critics and comic fans alike . https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_new_mutants#:~:text=The%20New%20Mutants%20ultimately%20feels,3%2F10%20%7C%20Full%20Review80%A6. It making no money eliminated its possible trilogy even without the merger. Also MCU fans really didn’t register the film , so their was no rivalry or dispute amongst the fandoms.


* FandomRivalry: With the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, especially that this film takes a DarkerAndEdgier SuperheroHorror approach to the ''X-Men'' franchise. The fact that the Disney-Fox merger eliminated the chances of Creator/JoshBoone's trilogy didn't help.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Marilyn Manson is the voice of the Smiley Men who sexually abuse Illyana as a child. Come 2021, allegations of his abuse (including physical and sexual) of Evan Rachel Wood come to fruition.
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* UnfortunateImplications: The racist remarks Illyana and Roberto make, but what especially sticks out is when Roberto makes the comment "Hope she's a nympho" as Indigenous women tend to be sexualized and preyed on. Also her reservation being wiped out, leaving her as the SoulSurvivor. This obviously has not sat well with Indigenous viewers.
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* UnfortunateImplications:
** [[http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-new-mutants-movie-has-found-its-sunspot-but-why-ar-1795586698 There was controversy about the casting of Henry Zaga as Sunspot]]; while Zaga is Brazilian like Sunspot, he is white whereas Sunspot is (or at least was) a dark-skinned Black Brazilian hero. Most of the anger was initially directed to Marvel Comics as opposed to the movie producers since the comics have been steadily whitewashing Sunspot since the 1980s, going from black into [[LatinoIsBrown the more stereotypical brown]] (to the point where casual fans do not know that Sunspot is a black character). ''Unfortunately'', the director of the film dug himself deeper when he said that he cast Zaga as Sunspot because he looked like he came from a wealthy family, ignoring that Sunspot, in the comics, has a black father who is rich. He also said he didn't consider the racial issues important to the story, an especially tone deaf statement, considering he's directing an X-Men movie.
** [[http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2016/05/19/new-mutants-movie-wheres-karma-whitewashedout/ The fact that the cast is missing Karma]], the Vietnamese lesbian who was a founding member and the original team leader, only adds to that. Boone has suggested she will appear in a sequel, but it's very questionable that she wasn't perceived as important enough to be introduced from the beginning, not to mention the fact that -- with a complete ''X-Men'' reboot looming in the near future -- the very existence of such a sequel is extremely unlikely even if the film is successful. The fact that Dani and Rahne were hit with AdaptationalSexuality only serves to rub salt in the wound -- why couldn't one of them have just been replaced by the New Mutants member who was already canonically gay?
** Some of Illyana's edgy-bad-girl "banter" with Dani has been called out as actually just being [[https://www.themarysue.com/wtf-is-up-with-these-racist-scenes-in-the-new-mutants/ racist insults]], like calling her "Pocahontas" or saying "your people love buffalo, don't you?" (when offering her a buffalo chicken wing). There's a difference between being a JerkWithAHeartOfGold slash TokenEvilTeammate who is spiky and rude before she warms up to someone, and slinging around racist stereotypes. Additionally, that's not something Illyana does in the comics, so there's not even that excuse.
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Misuse. Epileptic Trees is for wild, off-the-wall theories. These are just basic pre-release speculation (in fact, the first one turned out to be correct).


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** Some fans have already theorized that the facility in the film is an extension of Transigen, the company from ''{{Film/Logan}}'', and that the characters will be linked to their experiments that resulted in Laura. Connections to the Workshop from ''Film/Deadpool2016'' and Essex Corp. from ''Film/XMenApocalypse'', either as alternatives or by extension, also come up. [[spoiler:Those who speculated the involvement of Essex Corporation [[IKnewIt were correct]].]]
** Following the film's second delay, some fans began to speculate that the film -- and quite possibly ''Film/DarkPhoenix'' -- could go directly to a streaming service that Disney owns (which has materialized into Creator/DisneyPlus), provided that their merger with 21st Century Fox goes through before the movie's intended release date in late 2019. This would be similar to what happened with ''Film/TheCloverfieldParadox''. This line of speculation was finally debunked in April 2019, when Disney included the film on their 2019 slate for theatrical releases (although Disney would later opt to reschedule the movie to April 2020, and ''then'' to delay it until August 28 due to the UsefulNotes/COVID19Pandemic, during which multiple theatrical movies have been moved to streaming-first release).
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** Likewise, while three of the others angst about killing the people around them by accident, Dani never displays a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified reaction]] to the fact that [[spoiler: she was the one who killed everyone on her reservation.]] Especially considering that she tried to commit suicide before the fact came to light.

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** Likewise, while three of the others angst about killing the people around them by accident, Dani never displays a [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone horrified reaction]] reaction to the fact that [[spoiler: she was the one who killed everyone on her reservation.]] Especially considering that she tried to commit suicide before the fact came to light.
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* FanNickname: Due to the repeated delays on the movie and the subsequent inevitable ''X-Men'' reboot from Marvel Studios, the project has been jokingly called ''The Old Mutants''.
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That's not harsher in hindsight. That's just two vaguely, very vaguely, related things happening.


* HarsherInHindsight: The same day this film got released, Creator/ChadwickBoseman, another Creator/MarvelStudios actor passed away.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The same day this film got released, Creator/ChadwickBoseman, another Creator/MarvelStudios actor passed away.
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* CultClassic: This film flopped during it's initial release, however it's now a CultClassic and a must-see among hardcore Marvel fans, due to its premise.
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* CultClassic: This film flopped during it's initial release, however it's now a CultClassic among hardcore Marvel fans, due to its premise.

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* CultClassic: This film flopped during it's initial release, however it's now a CultClassic and a must-see among hardcore Marvel fans, due to its premise.
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* CultClassic: This film flopped during it's initial release, however it's now a CultClassic among hardcore Marvel fans.

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* CultClassic: This film flopped during it's initial release, however it's now a CultClassic among hardcore Marvel fans.fans, due to its premise.
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* CultClassic: This film flopped during it's initial release, however it's now a CultClassic among hardcore Marvel fans.
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The film released a year ago the 6 month period is null and void

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Magik. Some consider her to be a racist, bigoted bully, while others say that she's the only character who was properly cast and the most memorable thing in the whole movie.
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