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** Along with The War of the Worlds, of the themes of the book is anti-Imperialism, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire and does have the message that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is done through some of the most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who would never be able to develop civilization naturally.

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** Along with The War of the Worlds, of the themes of the book is anti-Imperialism, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire and does have the message that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is done through some of the most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who would never be able to develop civilization naturally.naturally.
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** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His doing it on creatures incapable of consenting and attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.

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*** In fairness, [[spoiler: Prendick realizes that part of the reason the beast folk remained docile is BECAUSE Moreau established he and Montgomery (And later Prendick) were gods. Since it worked up to that point, for the most part, why rewrite the plot to a much more dangerous gambit? Also, don't forget, Montgomery more or less does what you're suggesting. He gets drunk, fraternizes and shares the alcohol with the friendly beast folk, and has a "party." Then he gets attacked by an unfriendly faction, who kill him. Based on how quickly and effectively they do so, you could argue that they were lying in wait for the opportunity to take Montgomery out too, and did so. The attack also pretty much establishes that some of the beast folk are always going to be unpredictably aggressive (like the Hyena-Swine) so about the only tool at Prendick's disposal is to try to claim that Moreau and Montgomery's deaths were intentional, and hope for the best. Considering that a good portion of the remaining beast folk DO believe him, and that he lives long enough for an alternative method for escape to wash up, it seems Prendick's decision wasn't entirely wrong.]]
** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. [[spoiler: One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His doing it on creatures incapable of consenting and attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Why does Dr. Moreau torture his creations when they get out of line? Is it because he wants to make them more human... or is it because he fears them and what they might do to him? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Why does Dr. Moreau torture his creations when they get out of line? Is it because he wants to make them more human... or is it because he fears them and what they might do to him? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]
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** Along with The War of the Worlds, of the themes of the book is anti-Imperialism, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire and does have the message that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is done through some of the most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who would never be able to develop civilization naturally.
* ValuesResonance: Another theme of the book that might be less obvious upon first reading was a condemnation of homophobia and conversion therapy. The book was written in part as a response to the trials of Oscar Wilde, who was convicted of "Gross Indecency" for consensual sex with another man. The suppression required for homosexual men to go against their own natural instincts was simply too brutal and inhumane to be justified. Note that this was in the 1890s, and Britain was forcibly castrating homosexual men all the way into the 1950s.

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** Along with The War of the Worlds, of the themes of the book is anti-Imperialism, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire and does have the message that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is done through some of the most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who would never be able to develop civilization naturally.
* ValuesResonance: Another theme of the book that might be less obvious upon first reading was a condemnation of homophobia and conversion therapy. The book was written in part as a response to the trials of Oscar Wilde, who was convicted of "Gross Indecency" for consensual sex with another man. The suppression required for homosexual men to go against their own natural instincts was simply too brutal and inhumane to be justified. Note that this was in the 1890s, and Britain was forcibly castrating homosexual men all the way into the 1950s.
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** Along with The War of the Worlds, the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire and does have the message that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is done through some of the most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who would never be able to develop civilization naturally.

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** Along with The War of the Worlds, of the themes of the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, is anti-Imperialism, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire and does have the message that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is done through some of the most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who would never be able to develop civilization naturally.naturally.
* ValuesResonance: Another theme of the book that might be less obvious upon first reading was a condemnation of homophobia and conversion therapy. The book was written in part as a response to the trials of Oscar Wilde, who was convicted of "Gross Indecency" for consensual sex with another man. The suppression required for homosexual men to go against their own natural instincts was simply too brutal and inhumane to be justified. Note that this was in the 1890s, and Britain was forcibly castrating homosexual men all the way into the 1950s.
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** Along with The War of the Worlds, the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire. While the message is that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is actually some of the worst forms of barbarism, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who could never be able to develop civilization on their own. At least another message is that everyone would be better off without forcing imperialism onto unwilling natives.

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** Along with The War of the Worlds, the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire. While Empire and does have the message is that everyone, native and British, would be better off if the British had left everyone alone. While it's clear that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is actually done through some of the worst forms of barbarism, most vile crimes imaginable, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who could would never be able to develop civilization on their own. At least another message is that everyone would be better off without forcing imperialism onto unwilling natives.naturally.
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** Along with [[TheWarOfTheWorlds]], the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire. While the message is that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is actually some of the worst forms of barbarism, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who could never be able to develop civilization on their own. At least another message is that everyone would be better off without forcing imperialism onto unwilling natives.

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** Along with [[TheWarOfTheWorlds]], The War of the Worlds, the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire. While the message is that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is actually some of the worst forms of barbarism, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who could never be able to develop civilization on their own. At least another message is that everyone would be better off without forcing imperialism onto unwilling natives.
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** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His doing it on creatures incapable of consenting and attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.

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** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His doing it on creatures incapable of consenting and attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.them.
** Along with [[TheWarOfTheWorlds]], the book has a staunchly anti-imperialist theme, this time of the British attempting to forcible "civilize" the natives of the Empire. While the message is that the process of "civilizing" the various peoples is actually some of the worst forms of barbarism, one of the unfortunate implications is that the natives are "beasts" who could never be able to develop civilization on their own. At least another message is that everyone would be better off without forcing imperialism onto unwilling natives.
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** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.

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** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His doing it on creatures incapable of consenting and attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.
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* CanonForeigner: All three of the major English language adaptations feature the cat/puma woman as an actual main character. In the book she only appears in her humanoid form once, [[spoiler:and that's to escape from the House of Pain and kill Moreau even as he kills her]].
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* CanonForeigner: All three of the major English language adaptations feature the cat/puma woman as an actual main character. In the book she only appears in her humanoid form once, [[spoiler:and that's to escape from the House of Pain and kill Moreau even as he kills her]].

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* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set Moreau up as a god to keep them in line.

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* ValuesDissonance: ValuesDissonance:
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As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set Moreau up as a god to keep them in line.line.
** Also in terms of body modding, there has been much discussion on Moreau's idea of being a bad idea from the start but none towards the idea of willing versus unwilling subjects. One can argue Moreau's surgical procedures, though harsh, did work in the physical molding the forms. His attempt to make them behave like men when they wanted to be beasts would be where he screwed up. As without his culture of fear, the Beast Men dropped their human like tendencies though unfortunately for Prendick, some of which in this mindset were more dangerous than they were before Moreau worked on them.
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each of the three well-known film versions now has its own page


* NightmareFuel: The gory ending of the 1977 adaptation.
** The HumanoidAbomination llama baby from the 1996 adaptation.
** The original novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[MonstrousCannibalism eaten by the parents]].
* RetroactiveRecognition:
** [[Film/HarryPotter Remus Lupin]] plays Douglas.
*** Which is pretty HilariousInHindsight.
** [[Film/AttackOfTheClones Jango Fett]] plays Azazello.
* SnarkBait: The 1996 version. For starters, the dwarf that inspired characters in ''Film/AustinPowers'' and ''Westernanimation/SouthPark'', and then there's UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward founder John Wilson listing it among [[{{Narm}} the funniest]] bad movies ever.
* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set Moreau up as a god to keep them in line.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: As bad as the 1996 movie is, at least Creator/StanWinston's make-up for the hybrids is impressive.

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* NightmareFuel: The gory ending of the 1977 adaptation.
** The HumanoidAbomination llama baby from the 1996 adaptation.
** The original
novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[MonstrousCannibalism eaten by the parents]].
* RetroactiveRecognition:
** [[Film/HarryPotter Remus Lupin]] plays Douglas.
*** Which is pretty HilariousInHindsight.
** [[Film/AttackOfTheClones Jango Fett]] plays Azazello.
* SnarkBait: The 1996 version. For starters, the dwarf that inspired characters in ''Film/AustinPowers'' and ''Westernanimation/SouthPark'', and then there's UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward founder John Wilson listing it among [[{{Narm}} the funniest]] bad movies ever.
* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set Moreau up as a god to keep them in line.
* SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: As bad as the 1996 movie is, at least Creator/StanWinston's make-up for the hybrids is impressive.
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* CommonKnowledge: Because the adaptations and parodies have become more featured than the original work read, it is a pretty regular event to see the book's plot described as Moreau genetically altering humans and animals. While in reality in the original book all Moreau really does is give animals proto-plastic surgery and telling them now to act like humans.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: As bad as the 1996 movie is, at least Creator/StanWinston's make-up for the hybrids is impressive.

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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome: As bad as the 1996 movie is, at least Creator/StanWinston's make-up for the hybrids is impressive.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Why does Dr. Moreau torture his creations when they get out of line? Is it because he wants to make them more human... or is it because he fears them and what they might do to him?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Why does Dr. Moreau torture his creations when they get out of line? Is it because he wants to make them more human... or is it because he fears them and what they might do to him?him? [[TakeAThirdOption Or maybe a little of both?]]
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** The original novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[MonsterCannibalism eaten by the parents]].

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** The original novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[MonsterCannibalism [[MonstrousCannibalism eaten by the parents]].
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** The original novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[ImAHumanitarian eaten by the parents]].

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** The original novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[ImAHumanitarian [[MonsterCannibalism eaten by the parents]].
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* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set himself up like a god.

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* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set himself Moreau up like as a god.god to keep them in line.
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** The original novel mentions that the creatures can have offspring, but these are immediately [[ImAHumanitarian eaten by the parents]].
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* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], he does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set himself up like a god.

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* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything other than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], he outnumbered]], does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set himself up like a god.
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* ValuesDissonance: As time goes on and sensibilities change the actions of the three main characters comes off as obnoxiously Imperialist. They never consider treating the Beast Men as anything than subhuman creatures to be ordered around and abused. Even Prendick who is new to the island and had no involvement in their creation, even when [[spoiler: Dr. Moreau is killed and he suddenly becomes outnumbered]], he does not consider establishing a rapport with the semi-intelligent creatures and instead tries to set himself up like a god.
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** [[Film/AttackOfTheClones Jango Fett]] plays Azazello.

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** [[Film/AttackOfTheClones Jango Fett]] plays Azazello.Azazello.
* SnarkBait: The 1996 version. For starters, the dwarf that inspired characters in ''Film/AustinPowers'' and ''Westernanimation/SouthPark'', and then there's UsefulNotes/GoldenRaspberryAward founder John Wilson listing it among [[{{Narm}} the funniest]] bad movies ever.
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: As bad as the 1996 movie is, at least Creator/StanWinston's make-up for the hybrids is impressive.

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** The HumanoidAbomination llama baby from the 1996 adaptation

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** The HumanoidAbomination llama baby from the 1996 adaptationadaptation.
* RetroactiveRecognition:
** [[Film/HarryPotter Remus Lupin]] plays Douglas.
*** Which is pretty HilariousInHindsight.
** [[Film/AttackOfTheClones Jango Fett]] plays Azazello.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dr. Moreau: evil scientist or someone who just wants friends?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Why does Dr. Moreau: evil scientist or someone who just Moreau torture his creations when they get out of line? Is it because he wants friends?to make them more human... or is it because he fears them and what they might do to him?
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* NightmareFuel: The gory ending of the 1977 adaptation.

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* NightmareFuel: The gory ending of the 1977 adaptation.adaptation.
** The HumanoidAbomination llama baby from the 1996 adaptation
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dr. Moreau: evil scientist or someone who just wants friends?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dr. Moreau: evil scientist or someone who just wants friends?friends?
* NightmareFuel: The gory ending of the 1977 adaptation.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dr. Moreau: evil scientist or someone who just wants friends?
** [[{{Decade}} "I have been lonely all my life, and now, I fulfil my childhood dreams, and you tell me they were destined to destroy me? Well, I don't care! No "Apollo Geist" is going to kill me! You are the one who will die here, Dickeido!"]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Dr. Moreau: evil scientist or someone who just wants friends?
** [[{{Decade}} "I have been lonely all my life, and now, I fulfil my childhood dreams, and you tell me they were destined to destroy me? Well, I don't care! No "Apollo Geist" is going to kill me! You are the one who will die here, Dickeido!"]]
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