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* TheWoobie: Prince Myshkin.
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* TearJerker: A meta one. This was the last album that Ian Curtis of Music/JoyDivision fame listened to before committing suicide.
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The trope's been cut by TRS.
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* {{Moe}}: Prince Myshkin has a ''lot'' of these traits, being a virginal [[IllGirl ill guy]] who gives off an air of child-like innocence and trust. Needless to say, this being Dostoevsky, things do not go well. Could possibly count as a deconstruction for this reason.
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* {{Moe}}: Prince Myshkin has a ''lot'' of these traits, being a virginal [[IllGirl ill guy]] guy who gives off an air of child-like innocence and trust. Needless to say, this being Dostoevsky, things do not go well. Could possibly count as a deconstruction for this reason.
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* AlternateAesopInterpretation: Many people throughout the years have assumed that "China Girl" is at least partially about heroin, but Pop insists it isn't. He's been quite forthright that several of his other songs from the same period ''are'' about heroin, but the interpretation persists nonetheless - even [[Music/{{Chic}} Nile Rodgers]], the producer of Bowie's version, took that interpretation.
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Don't want to mention suicide methods.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: The album is best remembered for being on [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis']] turntable when he hanged himself.
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* OvershadowedByControversy: The album is best remembered for being on [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis']] turntable when he hanged himself.took his own life.
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* MemeticMutation: In some circles, sarcastically addressing someone as "Prince Myshkin" (thereby implying that the person is an idiot) has become a SteathInsult. This largely grew out of a [[GeniusBonus rather clever]] joke in ''Film/TheProducers'' in which Max says to Leo "Yes, Prince Myshkin! What can we do for you?"
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* MemeticMutation: In some circles, sarcastically addressing someone as "Prince Myshkin" (thereby implying that the person is an idiot) has become a SteathInsult.StealthInsult. This largely grew out of a [[GeniusBonus rather clever]] joke in ''Film/TheProducers'' in which Max says to Leo "Yes, Prince Myshkin! What can we do for you?"
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* MemeticMutation: In some circles, sarcastically addressing someone as "Prince Myshkin" (thereby implying that the person is an idiot) has become a SteathInsult. This largely grew out of a [[GeniusBonus rather clever]] joke in ''Film/TheProducers'' in which Max says to Leo "Yes, Prince Myshkin! What can we do for you?"
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* OvershadowedByControversy: The album is best remembered for being on [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis']] turntable when he hanged himself.
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!!The novel
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* TearJerker: A meta one. This was the last album that Ian Curtis of Music/JoyDivision fame listened to before committing suicide.
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!!The Music/IggyPop album
* TearJerker: A meta one. This was the last album that Ian Curtis of Music/JoyDivision fame listened to before committing suicide.
* TearJerker: A meta one. This was the last album that Ian Curtis of Music/JoyDivision fame listened to before committing suicide.
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* {{Moe}}: Prince Myshkin has a ''lot'' of these traits, being a virginal [[IllGirl ill guy]] who gives off an air of child-like innocence and trust. Needless to say, this being Dostoevsky, things do not go well (see the Purity Sue entry below). Could possibly count as a deconstruction for this reason.
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* {{Moe}}: Prince Myshkin has a ''lot'' of these traits, being a virginal [[IllGirl ill guy]] who gives off an air of child-like innocence and trust. Needless to say, this being Dostoevsky, things do not go well (see the Purity Sue entry below).well. Could possibly count as a deconstruction for this reason.
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* TearJerker: A meta one. This was the last album that Ian Curtis of Music/JoyDivision fame listened to before committing suicide.
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Flame Bait, not YMMV
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* {{Asexuality}}: Myshkin never experiences sexual desire and keeps it absolutely clean when living with Nastasya, and it's conjectured once that he didn't actually feel romantic love for either Aglaia or Nastasya either, and was just confused by beauty, friendship, other people's assumptions, and compassionate platonic love.
* InformedAttribute / CharacterShilling: Aglaya Ivanovna is supposed to be a treasure to be cherished, with the Prince and a few other characters falling in love with her, and several praising her virtues, even though whenever on stage she does nothing but act like a SpoiledBrat.
* InformedAttribute / CharacterShilling: Aglaya Ivanovna is supposed to be a treasure to be cherished, with the Prince and a few other characters falling in love with her, and several praising her virtues, even though whenever on stage she does nothing but act like a SpoiledBrat.
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* PuritySue: Deconstructed; Prince Myshkin is a model of Christ-like purity, which simply leads the rest of Russian society to take advantage of him.
* RayOfHopeEnding: It's a bit of a stretch, but in the end, Myshkin's doctor Schneider still "does not say yet positively that recovery is out of the question" so it's ''just'' possible he could get better.
* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, blushing when he kisses her hand, once complimenting his pretty eyes, and showing ''deep'' sympathy and concern for him when he's sick or unhappy, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrapped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, talk about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him, and deliberately hurt his feelings, and he is only-too-happy to forgive her and is never once angry. When Myshkin finally decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, however, she, the narrator, and most of society find it unforgivable, or possibly proof of insanity.
* RayOfHopeEnding: It's a bit of a stretch, but in the end, Myshkin's doctor Schneider still "does not say yet positively that recovery is out of the question" so it's ''just'' possible he could get better.
* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, blushing when he kisses her hand, once complimenting his pretty eyes, and showing ''deep'' sympathy and concern for him when he's sick or unhappy, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrapped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, talk about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him, and deliberately hurt his feelings, and he is only-too-happy to forgive her and is never once angry. When Myshkin finally decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, however, she, the narrator, and most of society find it unforgivable, or possibly proof of insanity.
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* {{Asexuality}}: Myshkin never experiences sexual desire and keeps it absolutely clean when living with Nastasya, and it's conjectured once that he didn't actually feel romantic love for either Aglaia or Nastasya either, and was just confused by beauty, friendship, other people's assumptions, and compassionate platonic love.
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* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, blushing when he kisses her hand, once complimentin his pretty eyes and showing ''deep'' sympathy and concern for him when he's sick or unhappy, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrapped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him, and deliberately hurt his feelings, and he is only-too-happy to forgive her and is never once angry, but when Myshkin decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia, the narrator, and most of society find it unforgivable, or possibly proof of insanity.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him, and deliberately hurt his feelings, and he is only-too-happy to forgive her and is never once angry, but when Myshkin decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia, the narrator, and most of society find it unforgivable, or possibly proof of insanity.
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* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, blushing when he kisses her hand, once complimentin complimenting his pretty eyes eyes, and showing ''deep'' sympathy and concern for him when he's sick or unhappy, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrapped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself,give hints talk about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him, and deliberately hurt his feelings, and he is only-too-happy to forgive her and is never once angry, but when angry. When Myshkin finally decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia, however, she, the narrator, and most of society find it unforgivable, or possibly proof of insanity.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself,
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* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrappped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him and deliberately hurt his feelings with the only-too-happy to forgive her and never once angry, but when Myshkin decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia and most of society find it unforgivable.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him and deliberately hurt his feelings with the only-too-happy to forgive her and never once angry, but when Myshkin decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia and most of society find it unforgivable.
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* ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, blushing when he kisses her hand, once complimentin his pretty eyes and showing ''deep'' sympathy and concern for him when he's sick or unhappy, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrappped wrapped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh athim him, and deliberately hurt his feelings with the feelings, and he is only-too-happy to forgive her and is never once angry, but when Myshkin decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia Aglaia, the narrator, and most of society find it unforgivable.unforgivable, or possibly proof of insanity.
* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at
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* TheUnfairSex: Oh sure, Aglaia can insult the prince, yell at him, insist he means nothing to her, refuse to commit herself, give hints about Ganya to make him jealous, force his anguished proposal only to laugh at him and deliberately hurt his feelings with the only-too-happy to forgive her and never once angry, but when Myshkin decides to marry Nastasya instead of her, Aglaia and most of society find it unforgivable.
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* RayOfHopeEnding: It's a bit of a stretch, but in the end, Myshkin's doctor Schneider still "does not say yet positively that recovery is out of the question" so it's ''just'' possible he could get better.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The entire album, when you know that it was the last thing [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis]] was listening to before he killed himself.
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* HarsherInHindsight: The entire album, when you know that it was the last thing [[Music/JoyDivision Ian Curtis]] was listening to before he killed himself.
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* Third-OptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrappped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
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* Third-OptionLoveInterest: ThirdOptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrappped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
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* Third-OptionLoveInterest: Vera Lebedyev is heavily implied to have at least a crush on the prince, but he, while very fond of her, it too wrappped up in the rest of the drama to think of her romantically.
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* JerkassWoobie: Nastasya Filippovna, full stop.
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* JerkassWoobie: Nastasya Filippovna, full stop. To some extent Ippolit as well.
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* InformedAttribute / CharacterShilling: Aglaya Ivanovna is supposed to be a treasure to be cherished with the Prince and a few other characters falling in love with her, and several praising her virtues, even though whenever on stage she does nothing but act like a SpoiledBrat.
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* InformedAttribute / CharacterShilling: Aglaya Ivanovna is supposed to be a treasure to be cherished cherished, with the Prince and a few other characters falling in love with her, and several praising her virtues, even though whenever on stage she does nothing but act like a SpoiledBrat.
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* InformedAttribute / CharacterShilling: Aglaya Ivanovna is supposed to be a treasure to be cherished with the Prince and a few other characters falling in love with her, and several praising her virtues, even though whenever on stage she does nothing but act like a SpoiledBrat.
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* JerkassWoobie: Nastasya Filippovna, full stop.
* {{Moe}}: Prince Myshkin has a ''lot'' of these traits, being a virginal [[IllGirl ill guy]] who gives off an air of child-like innocence and trust. Needless to say, this being Dostoevsky, things do not go well (see the Purity Sue entry below). Could possibly count as a deconstruction for this reason.
* PuritySue: Deconstructed; Prince Myshkin is a model of Christ-like purity, which simply leads the rest of Russian society to take advantage of him.
* TheWoobie: Prince Myshkin.
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* {{Moe}}: Prince Myshkin has a ''lot'' of these traits, being a virginal [[IllGirl ill guy]] who gives off an air of child-like innocence and trust. Needless to say, this being Dostoevsky, things do not go well (see the Purity Sue entry below). Could possibly count as a deconstruction for this reason.
* PuritySue: Deconstructed; Prince Myshkin is a model of Christ-like purity, which simply leads the rest of Russian society to take advantage of him.
* TheWoobie: Prince Myshkin.
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