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** The evidence board that you can collect clues for throughout the game is a major plot point in ''The Junior''. However, because six of the eight collectible clues are Premium choices, some players arrive at the finale with only two pieces of evidence (the two car photos). This makes the entire climax unintentionally hilarious when [[spoiler:the Alphas]] [[WhatAnIdiot can't just rip the two photos off the board and destroy them rather than going through the trouble of throwing the entire clue board in the garbage]].

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** The evidence board that you can collect clues for throughout the game is a major plot point in ''The Junior''. However, because six of the eight collectible clues are Premium choices, some players arrive at the finale with only two pieces of evidence (the two car photos). This makes the entire climax unintentionally hilarious when [[spoiler:the Alphas]] [[WhatAnIdiot can't just rip the two photos off the board and destroy them rather than going through the trouble of throwing the entire clue board in the garbage]].garbage.
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* WhatAnIdiot: In the penultimate chapter of ''The Junior'', [[spoiler:the Alphas under Nathan steal the board containing all the evidence that Emily has collected as proof of their foul deeds]].\\
'''You'd Expect:''' [[spoiler:Nathan would destroy the evidence on it before Emily appears.]]\\
'''Instead:''' [[spoiler:He keeps the evidence on the board intact as he disposes of it in a trash chute in front of Emily's eyes.]]\\
'''Result:''' [[spoiler:Tyler later retrieves the board, and the items on it play a role in ensuring that Nathan (along with possibly Beau and/or Kassidy) is punished for their crimes.]]
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* HoYay: Harold's admiration for his college's local football star, Chet Trask, can seem like a one-sided crush.
** Chet Trask lays his hand on his coaches knee at one point. The coach also describes Chet's skills in a flattering way to the rest of the team.
** Two women outright walk up to each other and kiss on the lips before taking off.
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** Becca and Emily in spades. They can't be in the same room for a moment without going out of their way to rag on each other like a 12-year-old boy with a crush. When Becca and Chris are dating and she rubs it in Emily's face, there's times where it comes across like Becca is trying to make Emily jealous because she likes ''her'' and not just because they both like Chris. [[spoiler:Becomes canon in Book 3.]]
** Natasha and Kaitlyn, supported by some ShipTease early on. Their first interaction makes it pretty clear there's at the very least some attraction on Kaitlyn's side.
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** Many find Kaitlyn a great option for the romantic interest while others feel she is better suited to simply being Emily's BFF, while others find her too toxic to be either one, considering her an annoying selfish girl who doesn't think about consequences. In Book 3, she also gained more haters during her arc, painting her as a CreatorsPet when the story still makes Emily and her friends help save her grades without any other option.

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** Many find Kaitlyn a great option for the romantic interest while others feel she is better suited to simply being Emily's BFF, while others find her too toxic to be either one, considering her an annoying selfish girl who doesn't think about consequences. In Book 3, she also gained more haters during her arc, painting her as a CreatorsPet when the story still makes Emily and her friends help save her grades without any other option. Nevertheless, her storyline throughout the series is praised for staying consistent with her character.
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** Book 3 takes a brief moment during Chapter 1 where Emily, Zack and Kaitlyn talk about stereotyping gay people, detailing that sometimes people trying to be nice end up coming across as "InnocentlyInsensitive", like Kaitlyn's parents, while supportive, starts assuming all of the LGBT people are TheFashionista or know everyone else from the community. Once the conversation ends, the subject is never brought up again and the discussion has no further impact on the plot.
** The discrimination Zig faces due to his criminal record. He runs into a lot of strawman naysayers and repetitive drama, but...it’s not far from what a lot of ex-cons experience. A lot of people will look at a conviction and stop listening to the rest of the story, even if it was a nonviolent offense or there were good reasons that a person did what they did (such as in Zig’s case). And of course, this applies disproportionately to people of color (also like Zig), who are more likely to be convicted in the first and tend to receive harsher punishments when sentenced.
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** There's a minor case in the chapter when Emily and Kaitlyn first meet Natasha, specifically when Emily is asked if she knows the album Kaitlyn and Natasha are talking about. If the player chooses to have Emily say she does, it's revealed that she's lying and the story chides the player for doing so... except that the story doesn't indicate beforehand that Emily is meant to be unfamiliar with it, so the player might choose to have Emily say yes meaning for it to be ''true'', only for the story to reveal it's a lie and then chastise the player for the "choice" to be dishonest.
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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone whose horrible deeds and behavior players have to excuse, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for their justified anger at him and sabotaged their house's boiler, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players see him as a heartless, entitled JerkWithAHeartOfJerk who was never sympathetic to begin with.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone whose horrible deeds and behavior players have trying to excuse, make amends, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for their justified anger at him for his behavior and sabotaged their house's boiler, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players see him as a heartless, entitled JerkWithAHeartOfJerk who expected people to excuse his behavior and the fact that he was never sympathetic to begin with.held accountable for it.
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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group likes him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father, and doesn't mind forgiving him despite his initially antagonistic attitude. Another group hates him for his {{Jerkass}} attitude towards the gang (especially Chris and Zig), points out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of his misdeeds because one of them (embezzlement of election funds) is a serious crime against the university]], expresses anger that the narrative has Emily forgive him, and considers him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and also genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led detractors to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group likes him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father, and doesn't mind forgiving him despite his initially antagonistic attitude. Another group hates him for his {{Jerkass}} attitude towards the gang (especially Chris and Zig), points out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of his misdeeds because one of them (embezzlement of election funds) is a serious crime against the university]], expresses anger that the narrative has Emily forgive him, and considers him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and also genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led detractors to deem his redemption arc unnecessary as well as one of the worst in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, the game, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.



** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players see him as a heartless, entitled JerkWithAHeartOfJerk who erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone whose horrible deeds and behavior players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, excuse, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift their justified anger at him and sabotaged their house, house's boiler, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players see him as a heartless, entitled JerkWithAHeartOfJerk who erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.was never sympathetic to begin with.
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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players see him as a sociopath who erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players see him as a sociopath heartless, entitled JerkWithAHeartOfJerk who erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.
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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players find his behavior selfish and entitled that it erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players find his behavior selfish and entitled that it see him as a sociopath who erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.
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I previously deleted the part about Kaitlyn's misdemeanors because she doesn't commit them throughout the series, and mentioning them while ignoring the serious crimes of other characters comes across as biased nitpicking.
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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players find his behavior entitled and toxic that it erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players find his behavior selfish and entitled and toxic that it erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.
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** Many find Kaitlyn a great option for the romantic interest while others feel she is better suited to simply being Emily's BFF, while others find her too toxic to be either one, considering her an annoying selfish girl who doesn't think about consequences. In Book 3, she also gained more haters during her arc, painting her as a CreatorsPet when the story still makes Emily and her friends help save her grades without any other option. It doesn't help that she has committed several misdemeanors throughout the series such as underage drinking, breaking and entering, trespassing, attempt at slander, vandalism, and fleeing the scene, [[KarmaHoudini yet got away with them]].

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** Many find Kaitlyn a great option for the romantic interest while others feel she is better suited to simply being Emily's BFF, while others find her too toxic to be either one, considering her an annoying selfish girl who doesn't think about consequences. In Book 3, she also gained more haters during her arc, painting her as a CreatorsPet when the story still makes Emily and her friends help save her grades without any other option. It doesn't help that she has committed several misdemeanors throughout the series such as underage drinking, breaking and entering, trespassing, attempt at slander, vandalism, and fleeing the scene, [[KarmaHoudini yet got away with them]].



** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players find his behavior selfish and entitled that it erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players find his behavior selfish and entitled and toxic that it erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.
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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players consider his behavior selfish and entitled to the point of erasing what little sympathy they had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them. As a result, players consider find his behavior selfish and entitled to the point of erasing that it erased what little sympathy they could've had for him.
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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them, erasing what little sympathy people had for him.

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** At the same time, Sebastian is shown to be someone players have to accept and forgive despite his horrible deeds, yet he threw a tantrum at the gang for not accepting his gift and sabotaged their house, which could've left them without a place to live or even killed them, them. As a result, players consider his behavior selfish and entitled to the point of erasing what little sympathy people they had for him.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some players are disappointed that Zig's friend Aaron isn't his alternate LoveInterest if Emily isn't dating him because of the good chemistry between them and the potential to reaffirm Zig's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some players are disappointed that Zig's friend Aaron isn't his alternate LoveInterest if Emily isn't dating him because of the good chemistry between them and the potential to reaffirm Zig's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]].bisexuality.
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** If Emily remains single during ''The Junior'' and ''The Senior'', Zack takes the role of the significant other for Emily to fill in for any of the Love Interests. The problem with this is that a best friend doesn’t have the same weight as a sentimental relationship, and Zack already has a boyfriend. An example of this situation is the big fight about Zack deciding to move with Grant on short notice, and Emily overreacting at the situation (not helping that the narrative tries to paint Emily in the right, when it’s more of BothSidesHaveAPoint). Emily moving to her internship in London with a heartbreak feels like an overreaction if the situation is a fight with the best friend instead of breaking up with the love interest.

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** If Emily remains single during ''The Junior'' and ''The Senior'', Zack takes the role of position in the significant other for Emily to fill in for any of the Love Interests. story that would otherwise be held by a love interest. The problem with this is that a best friend doesn’t have the same weight as a sentimental romantic relationship, and Zack already has a boyfriend.relationship of his own to consider. An example of this situation is the big fight about Zack deciding to move with Grant on short notice, and Emily overreacting at the situation (not helping that the narrative tries to paint Emily in the right, when it’s more of BothSidesHaveAPoint). Emily moving to her internship in London with a heartbreak feels like an overreaction if the situation is a fight with the best friend instead of breaking up with the love interest.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some players are disappointed that Zig's friend Aaron isn't his alternate LoveInterest if Emily isn't dating him because of the good chemistry between them and the potential to further affirm Zig's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]].

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some players are disappointed that Zig's friend Aaron isn't his alternate LoveInterest if Emily isn't dating him because of the good chemistry between them and the potential to further affirm reaffirm Zig's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]].

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group likes him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father, and doesn't mind forgiving him despite his initially antagonistic attitude. Another group hates him for his {{Jerkass}} attitude towards the gang (especially Chris and Zig), points out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of his misdeeds because one of them (embezzlement of election funds) is a serious crime against the university]], express anger that the narrative has Emily forgive him, and considers him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and also genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led detractors to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group likes him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father, and doesn't mind forgiving him despite his initially antagonistic attitude. Another group hates him for his {{Jerkass}} attitude towards the gang (especially Chris and Zig), points out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of his misdeeds because one of them (embezzlement of election funds) is a serious crime against the university]], express expresses anger that the narrative has Emily forgive him, and considers him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and also genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led detractors to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.



** Tyler's popularity took a nose dive in ''The Junior'' [[spoiler:after he fails to stand up for Emily and Abbie against the Alpha trio, as well as the reveal that he was involved in their scheme. While the last part was unintentional (they had tricked him into helping them), most fans took Abbie's side and consider his behavior to be TooDumbToLive]].

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** Tyler's popularity took a nose dive in ''The Junior'' [[spoiler:after he fails failed to stand up for Emily and Abbie against the Alpha trio, as well as the reveal that he was involved in their scheme. While the last part was unintentional (they had tricked him into helping them), most fans took Abbie's side and consider his behavior to be TooDumbToLive]].



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Some players are disappointed that Zig's friend Aaron isn't his alternate LoveInterest if Emily isn't dating him because of the good chemistry between them and the potential to further affirm Zig's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]].



'''You'd Expect:''' [[spoiler:That Nathan would destroy the evidence on it before Emily appears.]]\\

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*** The end of the first book suggests he may be an ArmoredClosetGay/Bisexual, but he forcefully rejects Zig's attempts to help him through his internal conflict as well as any overtures of friendship. His behavior remains atrocious to the point where he ends up being disciplined by the school for harassing his ex-girlfriend.

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*** The end of the first book suggests he may be an ArmoredClosetGay/Bisexual, but he forcefully rejects Zig's attempts to help him through his internal conflict as well as any overtures of friendship. His behavior remains atrocious to the point where he ends up being disciplined by the school for harassing his ex-girlfriend.ex-girlfriend and PutOnABus in ''The Junior''.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group like him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime against the university]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group like likes him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father. While some players forgive father, and doesn't mind forgiving him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general his initially antagonistic attitude. Another group hates him for his {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point attitude towards the gang (especially Chris and Zig), points out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them his misdeeds because one of his misdeeds them (embezzlement of election funds) is a serious crime against the university]], refuse to express anger that the narrative has Emily forgive him, and consider considers him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and also genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players detractors to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.



** Both ''Rosethorne Park'' and the excerpt of Emily's essay that Vasquez reads aloud at the end of Book 1 are painfully cheesy. It doesn't help that they're both praised by the other characters as exceptionally good writing, either.

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** Both ''Rosethorne Park'' and the excerpt of Emily's essay that Vasquez reads aloud at the end of Book 1 are painfully cheesy. It doesn't help that read like amateurs, yet they're both praised by the other characters as exceptionally good writing, either.writing. This is especially egregious for the latter because it was written by a freshman.


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** Emily's except from her upcoming work at the end of ''The Senior'' still reads like a newbie in writing despite Emily's purported skill as a writer by then.
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* MemeticMolester: Mrs. Twombly has gained this reputation for all the awkward comments she makes about her students’ romantic lives, specially in the extras. During the Valentines book, she let Madison participate with both Logan and Tripp as a ''polyamory'', while in ''The Sophomore Halloween Special'' she based all the characters from her novel in Emily’s gang, and went on very graphic detail about the body of Chris’ expy without a shirt. Chris can comment on how creepy is that a teacher has wrote that about him.

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** Some fans ship Zig with Zack after Zig reveals to be bisexual and Zack breaks up with Brandon.
** Many readers ship Tyler and Sebastian, since it was because of Tyler’s influence that Sebastian genuinely starts his HeelFaceTurn. Reinforced by scenes where even Abbie teases them together.



** If Emily remains single during ''The Junior'' and ''The Senior'', Zack takes the role of the significant other for Emily to fill the role of any of the Love Interests. The problem with this is that a best friend doesn’t have the same weight as a sentimental relationship, and Zack already has a boyfriend. An example of this situation is the big fight about Zack deciding to move with Grant on short notice, and Emily overreacting at the situation (not helping that the narrative tries to paint Emily in the right). Emily moving to her internship in London with a heartbreak feels like an overreaction if the situation is a fight with the best friend instead of breaking up with the love interest.

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** If Emily remains single during ''The Junior'' and ''The Senior'', Zack takes the role of the significant other for Emily to fill the role of in for any of the Love Interests. The problem with this is that a best friend doesn’t have the same weight as a sentimental relationship, and Zack already has a boyfriend. An example of this situation is the big fight about Zack deciding to move with Grant on short notice, and Emily overreacting at the situation (not helping that the narrative tries to paint Emily in the right).right, when it’s more of BothSidesHaveAPoint). Emily moving to her internship in London with a heartbreak feels like an overreaction if the situation is a fight with the best friend instead of breaking up with the love interest.



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** Some fans ship Zig with Zack after Zig reveals to be bisexual and Zack breaks up with Brandon.
** Many readers ship Tyler and Sebastian, since it was because of Tyler’s influence that Sebastian genuinely starts his HeelFaceTurn. Reinforced by scenes where even Abbie teases them together.



*** Things get no better in Book 3 for her. Her personal arc to find herself and a new group to fit in at college, resulting in her joining Natasha's band and rubbing the gang in a bad note. It's still debated who is right between Abbie and Kaitlyn's fight, and many find it difficult to defend Kaitlyn's attitude after she refuses to hear any of Abbie's attempts to explain herself and make peace, but also when Abbie explains that Kaitlyn has been skipping classes after fully joining the band.
*** And this goes even further when Kaitlyn reaches her JerkassRealization only because she's been placed on Academic Probation for skipping ''all her subjects''. While it's at the same time a Heartwarming Moment, fans who feel she doesn't deserve forgiveness are still obliged to help her study with no choice to abandon her or dropping her as Best Friend.

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*** Things get no better in Book 3 for her. Her personal arc to find herself and a new group to fit in at college, resulting in her joining Natasha's band and rubbing the gang in a bad note.side. It's still debated who is right between Abbie and Kaitlyn's fight, and many find it difficult to defend Kaitlyn's attitude after she refuses to hear any of Abbie's attempts to explain herself and make peace, but also when Abbie explains that Kaitlyn has been skipping classes after fully joining the band.
*** And this goes even further when Kaitlyn reaches her JerkassRealization only because she's been placed on Academic Probation for skipping ''all her subjects''. classes''. While it's at the same time a Heartwarming Moment, fans Moment from the gang as TrueCompanions, readers who feel she doesn't deserve forgiveness are still obliged to help her study with no choice to abandon her refuse helping Kaitlyn or dropping her as Best Friend.



** Emily falls in this during the last chapters of ''The Senior''. She gets upset that the Love Interest (or Zack if single), decides to move out on short notice from the apartment. Instead of remaining calm and try to get them to see it from her situation, she lashes out, breaks off their relationships, and decides to take up an internship in London. A year later the Love Interest or Zack have to travel to London to apologize to her, and Emily never even acknowledges any of her own failings, since the narrative places the blame entirely on the other party.

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** Emily falls in this during the last chapters of ''The Senior''. She gets upset that the Love Interest (or Zack if single), decides to move out on short notice from the apartment. apartment, leaving her with no time to find another roommate or place. Instead of remaining calm and try to get them to see it from her situation, she lashes out, accuses them of being selfish, breaks off their relationships, the relationship, and decides to take up an internship in London. A year later the Love Interest or Zack have to travel to London to apologize to her, and Emily never even acknowledges any of her own failings, since the narrative places the blame entirely on the other party.

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** James is either charming or obnoxious.

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** James is either charming or obnoxious. While many liked his banter interactions with Emily in Freshman Book 1, the following books made him gain detractors by showing him as neglectful, selfish and pretentious. The discussion even extends to his portrait change, after the game had to change his face because of the likeness to Michael B. Jordan, where either people liked the face either way, or others even declared that they would break up with him just because he had a different appearance despite still having the same dialogue.



** Even Emily gets this. While she's intended for fans to [[AudienceSurrogate Self-Insert]] through her, the ones who treat her as her own character consider her a Black Hole Sue because the story always paints her as a nosy ControlFreak obsessed with having a boyfriend and meddling in her friends' problems and she's never wrong in the conflicts. On the other hand, other fans love her because she is always a NiceGirl who is always trying to help her friends with their problems.

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** Even Emily gets this. While she's intended for fans to [[AudienceSurrogate Self-Insert]] through her, the ones who treat her as her own character consider her a Black Hole Sue because the story always paints her as a nosy ControlFreak obsessed with having a boyfriend and relationship, meddling in her friends' problems and she's never wrong in the conflicts. On the other hand, other fans love her because she is always a NiceGirl who is always trying to help her friends with their problems.



** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime against the university]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. A group like him after his friendship with Tyler and his genuine change of heart against his father. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime against the university]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.


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** If Emily remains single during ''The Junior'' and ''The Senior'', Zack takes the role of the significant other for Emily to fill the role of any of the Love Interests. The problem with this is that a best friend doesn’t have the same weight as a sentimental relationship, and Zack already has a boyfriend. An example of this situation is the big fight about Zack deciding to move with Grant on short notice, and Emily overreacting at the situation (not helping that the narrative tries to paint Emily in the right). Emily moving to her internship in London with a heartbreak feels like an overreaction if the situation is a fight with the best friend instead of breaking up with the love interest.
** The ''inspiration board'' in ''The Senior'' is supposed to help Emily get a theme for her thesis. The problem is that the theme is never mentioned, and it comes off more as a schoolgirl’s “precious moments” cork board.


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** Some fans ship Zig with Zack after Zig reveals to be bisexual and Zack breaks up with Brandon.
** Many readers ship Tyler and Sebastian, since it was because of Tyler’s influence that Sebastian genuinely starts his HeelFaceTurn. Reinforced by scenes where even Abbie teases them together.


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** Grant is also considered a ReplacementScrappy for Brandon (who disappears from the books after he and Zack break up), as many consider Grant to have no personality, charm or even a fun and engaging relationship with Zack.


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** Even if people were divided by the quality of ''The Junior''’s plot, many felt that ''The Senior'' was so underwhelming that it redeemed all the other books.


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** Emily falls in this during the last chapters of ''The Senior''. She gets upset that the Love Interest (or Zack if single), decides to move out on short notice from the apartment. Instead of remaining calm and try to get them to see it from her situation, she lashes out, breaks off their relationships, and decides to take up an internship in London. A year later the Love Interest or Zack have to travel to London to apologize to her, and Emily never even acknowledges any of her own failings, since the narrative places the blame entirely on the other party.
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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime against the university]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime against the university]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst.worst, given that it boils down to him initially saying that it's hard to be nice, which players find an overdone and weak motive.
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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], crime against the university]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and badly done at worst.
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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and half-assed at worst.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and half-assed badly done at worst.



*** Fans often argue if Abbie was right to be pissed at Kaitlyn for not standing up to Natasha's mocking towards Tyler and her, others that Abbie was overreacting and Kaitlyn did nothing wrong (until she started to act like a jackass), and a third camp who was annoyed with both of them and wanted MC to literally do anything else other than stay in the middle of the drama.

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*** Fans often argue if Abbie was right to be pissed at Kaitlyn for not standing up to Natasha's mocking towards Tyler and her, others that Abbie was overreacting and Kaitlyn did nothing wrong (until she started to act like a jackass), and a third camp who was annoyed with both of them and wanted MC Emily to literally do anything else other than stay in the middle of the drama.
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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary.unnecessary in addition to being mediocre at best and half-assed at worst.
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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary.

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** Sebastian becomes this throughout ''The Sophomore'' and, to a lesser extent, ''The Junior''. While some players forgive him despite the horrible actions he did in the past (embezzling election funds, attempting to sabotage Chris's election campaign, discrediting Chris and Zig, and general {{Jerkass}} attitude), others point out that he has [[KarmaHoudini yet to answer for any of them]], them because one of his misdeeds is a serious crime]], refuse to forgive him, and consider him unworthy of redemption, especially since he could've killed the gang by sabotaging their house after they didn't immediately forgive him. His detractors also find it unfair that some people forgive him right away while continuing to hate on Becca even though the latter, while far from a saint, has done less severe things things, never commits crimes, and genuinely changes for the better. His absence in group scenes throughout ''The Senior'' has led players to deem his redemption arc unnecessary.

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