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** Another excellent moment: the ending, where Lina and Doon tie a message to a rock and drop it down to Ember, so that the rest of the city can follow their path. The CGI is quite good for 2008, and the narration and music (the above-mentioned "One Last Message" come together to make it a genuinely awe-inspiring scene.
--->''Lina and Doon tied their hope to a rock and tossed it down toward the city. The rock could've ended up on a roof, or been kicked into a gutter. [[MeaningfulEcho But fate ran another course,]] and the message found its way. ''[Doon's father finds the message]'' Now the path was clear for all - all of us who [[MeaningfulName kept the flame of Ember burning]] through the darkness, so that we could live again on the Earth, in the air and the light.''

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** Another excellent moment: the ending, where Lina and Doon tie a message to a rock and drop it down to Ember, so that the rest of the city can follow their path. The CGI is quite good for 2008, and the narration and music (the above-mentioned "One Last Message" Message") come together to make it a genuinely awe-inspiring scene.
--->''Lina and Doon tied their hope to a rock and tossed it down toward the city. The rock could've ended up on a roof, or been kicked into a gutter. [[MeaningfulEcho But fate ran another course,]] and the message found its way. ''[Doon's father ''[[[NarratorAllAlong Doon's father]] finds the message]'' Now the path was clear for all - all of us who [[MeaningfulName kept the flame of Ember burning]] through the darkness, so that we could live again on the Earth, in the air and the light.''
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** Another excellent moment: the ending, where Lina and Doon tie a message to a rock and drop it down to Ember, so that the rest of the city can follow their path. The CGI is quite good for 2008, and the narration and music (the above-mentioned "One Last Message" come together to make it a genuinely awe-inspiring scene.
--->''Lina and Doon tied their hope to a rock and tossed it down toward the city. The rock could've ended up on a roof, or been kicked into a gutter. [[MeaningfulEcho But fate ran another course,]] and the message found its way. ''[Doon's father finds the message]'' Now the path was clear for all - all of us who [[MeaningfulName kept the flame of Ember burning]] through the darkness, so that we could live again on the Earth, in the air and the light.''
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_13Z-r5m4 "One Last Message"]] perfectly fits over the credits and end sequences.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_13Z-r5m4 "One Last Message"]] perfectly fits over the end sequence with the rock and the credits and end sequences.that follow.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: "One Last Message", perfectly fits over the credits and end sequences.

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_13Z-r5m4 "One Last Message", Message"]] perfectly fits over the credits and end sequences.
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-->'''''"It's my job!"'''''

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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: After spending most of the movie [[SeniorSleepCycle asleep]] and answering questions with [[NotYourProblem "I don't know, it's not my job,"]] Sul suddenly shows up at the climax, putting himself in ''massive'' danger to fix the water-wheel and open the way out of Ember. And when Doon asks him why?
-->'''''"It's my job!"'''''
** It's [[BookEnds a nice counterpoint]] to how the movie started. Ember's crisis happened because the mayors didn't do their jobs, and it ended because one old man remembered what his job was and did it.
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* IdiotPlot: The events of ''The City of Ember'' could have been avoided had the Builders designed an immoveable vault to contain the instructions instead of a small, easily misplaced metal box. The book even specifies that the box was meant never to be removed from the gathering hall, and ''The Diamond of Darkhold'' further exacerbates this failing by revealing they ''did'' design a vault to contain the solar-powered technology left for the Emberites.

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* ItWasHisSled: The fact that Ember is an UndergroundCity is not found out until the end of the first book, but good luck finding someone who treats that like a spoiler (Hell, it even says this on the main page!).

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* IdiotPlot: The events of ''The City of Ember'' could have been avoided had the Builders designed an immoveable vault to contain the instructions instead of a small, easily misplaced metal box. The book even specifies that the box was meant never to be removed from the gathering hall, and ''The Diamond of Darkhold'' further exacerbates this failing by revealing they ''did'' design a vault to contain the solar-powered technology left for the Emberites.
* ItWasHisSled: The fact that Ember is an UndergroundCity is not found out until the end of the first book, but good luck finding someone who treats that like a spoiler (Hell, it even says spoiler. The movie gives this on plot point away during the main page!).opening narration.
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* IdiotPlot: There whole thing happens because the Builders[[note]]who are so talented that they could build an entire city underground and reasonably expect it to be sustainable for two centuries[[/note]]- thought it was a good idea to have the key to leaving the city sealed inside a box, and for it to be passed down from one mayor to the next despite none of them knowing what it was for. This admittedly is an AdaptationInducedPlothole -- in the book, the box with the instructions was kept in the basement of the town hall, until it was stolen and taken home by the seventh mayor, who died before he could tell anyone about it.



* WTHCastingAgency: Bill Murray as the BigBad is an odd casting choice. Toby Jones, who plays TheDragon, would arguably have been a better fit.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: This predated the Young Adult dystopia genre that would come into popularity in TheNewTens. It comes four years before the film that popularized said genre, ''Film/TheHungerGames''. Toby Jones starred in both actually.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: This predated the Young Adult dystopia genre that would come into popularity in TheNewTens. It comes four years before In particular, it preceded the film that work often considered to have popularized said that genre, ''Film/TheHungerGames''. ''Literature/TheHungerGames'', by nine and four years respectively in book and movie form. And Toby Jones starred in both actually.both.
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*CompleteMonster: [[MayorPain Mayor Cole]] is a greedy, gluttonous coward who takes advantage of Ember's declining health [[ItsAllAboutMe for his own gain]]. Ordering the citizens of Ember to never leave under threat of imprisonment, Cole secretly steals countless amounts of emergency supplies from the storerooms while assuring his constituents that they will be safe when Ember finally faces apocalypse. In truth, Cole plans to abandon every last person to die and hide away with a luxurious bunker of his own design, willing to order the criminalization and arrest of children for trying to expose his deceit and betray even his closest allies to death so long as it assures himself a comfortable life once everyone else is dead.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Doon and Lina, though they are PlatonicLifePartners [[spoiler:for ''most'' of the series]].
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* HamAndCheese: Mackenzie Crook plays a ColdHam but his performance definitely sticks out.
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** Doon swapping jobs with Lina, meaning she gets to be a Messenger like she always wanted. She sound so happy as she tells everyone what her new job is.
** [[spoiler: After making it to the surface, the children discover nothing but darkness and coldness. Then the sun comes up and Lina gets to see the sky for the first time in her life. The way she says "it's blue!" is so sweet]].


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* JustHereForGodzilla:
** Even negative reviews of the film had nothing but praise for Creator/SaoirseRonan's performance. The first film she made after her acclaimed supporting role in ''Film/{{Atonement}}'', critics called it a sign she would have a promising career.
** Harry Treadaway got plenty of praise too, and parlayed it into a respectable film career, and eventually a starring role in ''Series/PennyDreadful''.
* {{Moe}}: Little Poppy is just adorable, and thankfully proves quite useful when escaping Ember.
* {{Narm}}:
** The sequence of Lizzie claiming she has a new boyfriend, only to reveal it as Looper. It's such an odd attempt at humor and it seems like such a CrackPairing that it's bound to induce the wrong kind of laughing.
** The filmmakers wanted to avoid modern slang, reasoning that Ember is several hundred years into the future. Unfortunately that results in a lot of characters speaking in lots of flowery big words like "dissuaded" that just sound forced.
* OlderThanTheyThink: This predated the Young Adult dystopia genre that would come into popularity in TheNewTens. It comes four years before the film that popularized said genre, ''Film/TheHungerGames''. Toby Jones starred in both actually.
* WTHCastingAgency: Bill Murray as the BigBad is an odd casting choice. Toby Jones, who plays TheDragon, would arguably have been a better fit.
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Doesn't count - to be a Scrappy, a character has to be universally (or near-universally) loathed by the fandom, and as far as I'm aware, Poppy doesn't have such a reputation. Not to mention, other than chewing up the instructions, I can't think of a single obstacle Poppy has ever caused.


* TheScrappy: This would be Poppy in both, but particularly in the film adaptation. Granted, much of her noisome behaviors - eating the directions, showing the general survival instincts of a turnip - could be excused by the fact she's quite young, her ability to somehow create obstacles and disruptions everywhere she goes is practically legendary. Doesn't even rise to the level of being The Load because she never actually deliberately contributes anything to the main characters' efforts.
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* TheScrappy: This would be Poppy in both, but particularly in the film adaptation. Granted, much of her noisome behaviors - eating the directions, showing the general survival instincts of a turnip - could be excused by the fact she's quite young, her ability to somehow create obstacles and disruptions everywhere she goes is practically legendary. Doesn't even rise to the level of being The Load because she never actually deliberately contributes anything to the main characters' efforts.

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* IdiotPlot: There whole thing happens because the Builders[[note]]who are so talented that they could build an entire city underground and reasonably expect it to be sustainable for two centuries[[/note]] and every single Mayor [[note]]up to the 7th[[/note]] thought it was a good idea to keep the key to future of ''entire humanity'' in ''one single piece of paper'', and limit its knowledge to only one person at a time, rather than treating it as the most important subject for the posterity to study.
* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The often gets this in comparison to the book.
%% * SpecialEffectFailure: The film's special effects are pretty good, but start to fall apart by the end of the movie. Either the budget started running out or they were banking on viewers being engaged enough to ignore the Conspicuous CG.

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* IdiotPlot: There whole thing happens because the Builders[[note]]who are so talented that they could build an entire city underground and reasonably expect it to be sustainable for two centuries[[/note]] and every single Mayor [[note]]up to the 7th[[/note]] centuries[[/note]]- thought it was a good idea to keep have the key to future of ''entire humanity'' in ''one single piece of paper'', leaving the city sealed inside a box, and limit its knowledge for it to only be passed down from one person at a time, rather than treating it as the most important subject for the posterity to study.
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next despite none of them knowing what it was for. This admittedly is an AdaptationInducedPlothole -- in the book, the box with the instructions was kept in the basement of the town hall, until it was stolen and taken home by the end of the movie. Either the budget started running out or they were banking on viewers being engaged enough to ignore the Conspicuous CG.seventh mayor, who died before he could tell anyone about it.
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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: "One Last Message", perfectly fits over the credits and end sequences.

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* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: "One Last Message", perfectly fits over the credits and end sequences.
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* IdiotPlot: There whole thing happens because the Builders[[note]]who are so talented that they could build an entire city underground and reasonably expect it to be sustainable for two centuries[[/note]] and every single Mayor [[note]]up to the 7th[[/note]] thought it was a good idea to keep the key to future of ''entire humanity'' in ''one single piece of paper'', and limit its knowledge to only one person at a time, rather than treat it as the most important subject for the posterity to study.

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* IdiotPlot: There whole thing happens because the Builders[[note]]who are so talented that they could build an entire city underground and reasonably expect it to be sustainable for two centuries[[/note]] and every single Mayor [[note]]up to the 7th[[/note]] thought it was a good idea to keep the key to future of ''entire humanity'' in ''one single piece of paper'', and limit its knowledge to only one person at a time, rather than treat treating it as the most important subject for the posterity to study.
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* IdiotPlot: There whole thing happens because the Builders[[note]]who are so talented that they could build an entire city underground and reasonably expect it to be sustainable for two centuries[[/note]] and every single Mayor [[note]]up to the 7th[[/note]] thought it was a good idea to keep the key to future of ''entire humanity'' in ''one single piece of paper'', and limit its knowledge to only one person at a time, rather than treat it as the most important subject for the posterity to study.
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%% * SpecialEffectFailure: The film's special effects are pretty good, but start to fall apart by the end of the movie. Either the budget started running out or they were banking on viewers being engaged enough to ignore the Conspicuous CG.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: War is BAD. Organized religion is ''literally'' puppy-kicking awful, if you believe the third book.
* FanPreferredCouple: Doon x Lina, though they are PlatonicLifePartners [[spoiler:for ''most'' of the series.]]

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!!The book series:
* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}:
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War is BAD. BAD.
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Organized religion is ''literally'' puppy-kicking awful, if you believe the third book.
''The Prophet of Yonwood''.
* FanPreferredCouple: Doon x and Lina, though they are PlatonicLifePartners [[spoiler:for ''most'' of the series.]]series]].



* NightmareFuel: Well, in addition to the idea of being trapped in darkness without food or light for all eternity, the film has [[AttackOfThe50FootWhatever giant carnivorous star-nosed moles]]. With prehensile tentacles for noses.



* SpecialEffectFailure: The film's special effects are pretty good, but start to fall apart by the end of the movie. Either the budget started running out or they were banking on viewers being engaged enough to ignore the Conspicuous CG.

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!!The film adaptation:
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome: "One Last Message", perfectly fits over the credits and end sequences.
* OnlyTheCreatorDoesItRight: The often gets this in comparison to the book.
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* SpecialEffectFailure: The film's special effects are pretty good, but start to fall apart by the end of the movie. Either the budget started running out or they were banking on viewers being engaged enough to ignore the Conspicuous CG.
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* ItWasHisSled: The fact that Ember is an UndergroundCity is not found out until the end of the first book, but good luck finding someone who treats that like a spoiler (Hell, it even says this on the main page!).
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* ParanoiaFuel: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the situation in ''The Prophet of Yonwood'' (the U.S. battling a terrorist nation that threatens total war) is a natural progression from what the world is going through today.

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* ParanoiaFuel: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the situation in ''The Prophet of Yonwood'' (the U.S. battling a terrorist nation that threatens total war) is a natural progression from what the world is going through today.today.
* SpecialEffectFailure: The film's special effects are pretty good, but start to fall apart by the end of the movie. Either the budget started running out or they were banking on viewers being engaged enough to ignore the Conspicuous CG.
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* FanPreferredCouple: Doon x Lina

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* FanPreferredCouple: Doon x LinaLina, though they are PlatonicLifePartners [[spoiler:for ''most'' of the series.]]
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* {{Anvilicious}}: War is BAD. Organized religion is puppy-kicking awful, if you believe the third book.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: War is BAD. Organized religion is ''literally'' puppy-kicking awful, if you believe the third book.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: War is BAD. Organized religion is puppy-kicking awful, if you believe the third book.
* FanPreferredCouple: Doon x Lina
* NightmareFuel: Well, in addition to the idea of being trapped in darkness without food or light for all eternity, the film has [[AttackOfThe50FootWhatever giant carnivorous star-nosed moles]]. With prehensile tentacles for noses.
* ParanoiaFuel: One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the situation in ''The Prophet of Yonwood'' (the U.S. battling a terrorist nation that threatens total war) is a natural progression from what the world is going through today.

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