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** ''Clark himself'' can come across as this, with much of his actions (enforcing IWorkAlone, entering an underground superhuman Mixed Martial Arts circle "undercover") and reactions (deciding to terminate his relationship with Diana) coming across less as what his justifications are ("IDidWhatIHadToDo", "ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies", "BetterAsFriends", etc) and more like Clark has some ''serious'' [[DoesThisRemindsYouOfAnything problems with feeling emasculated]] in ''any'' way.
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** ''Clark himself'' can come across as this, with much of his actions (enforcing IWorkAlone, entering an underground superhuman Mixed Martial Arts circle "undercover") and reactions (deciding to terminate his relationship with Diana) coming across less as what his justifications are ("IDidWhatIHadToDo", "ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies", "BetterAsFriends", etc) and more like Clark has some ''serious'' [[DoesThisRemindsYouOfAnything problems with feeling emasculated]] emasculated in ''any'' way.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: ''Truth'' works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has established don't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: ''Truth'' works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has established don't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc. Clark's astonishing take on TookALevelInJerkass and its subtext (look below on "UnintentionallyUnsympathetic") doesn't helps any.
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** ''Clark himself'' can come across as this, with much of his actions (enforcing IWorkAlone, entering an underground superhuman Mixed Martial Arts circle "undercover") and reactions (deciding to terminate his relationship with Diana) coming across less as what his justifications are ("IDidWhatIHadToDo", "ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies", etc) and more like Clark has some ''serious'' problems with feeling emasculated in ''any'' way.
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** ''Clark himself'' can come across as this, with much of his actions (enforcing IWorkAlone, entering an underground superhuman Mixed Martial Arts circle "undercover") and reactions (deciding to terminate his relationship with Diana) coming across less as what his justifications are ("IDidWhatIHadToDo", "ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies", "BetterAsFriends", etc) and more like Clark has some ''serious'' [[DoesThisRemindsYouOfAnything problems with feeling emasculated emasculated]] in ''any'' way.
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** And now as of ''Superman/Wonder Woman Annual #2'', the ship's sunken for good... and the delivery is not really that good (look down on "UnintentionallyUnsympathetic").
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** ''Clark himself'' can come across as this, with much of his actions (enforcing IWorkAlone, entering an underground superhuman Mixed Martial Arts circle "undercover") and reactions (deciding to terminate his relationship with Diana) coming across less as what his justifications are ("IDidWhatIHadToDo", "ItsNotYouItsMyEnemies", etc) and more like Clark has some ''serious'' problems with feeling emasculated in ''any'' way.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: ''Truth'' works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has established doesn't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: ''Truth'' works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has established doesn't don't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Superman has serious problems in this arc. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: ''Truth'' works on the principle that all the heroism and goodwill Superman has serious problems in this arc.established doesn't stand for much when his secret identity gets out. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Perry's anger at Clark for hiding his secret identity is understandable (the ''Daily Planet'' staff was used as bait for Superman and he got shot on the shoulder), but saying that Clark is a danger to everyone he knows and that all this time he has been "pretending to be one of us" doesn't exactly earn him any sympathy points.
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Superman has serious problems in this arc. His powers have decreased, he has very few allies, public opinion has turned against him and he has become angsty and cynical. On top of things, he is no closer at stopping the ArcVillain{{s}} than he was at the start. All of this makes it very hard for readers to get emotionally invested in this arc.
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** Likewise, Perry White's attitude during the arc has been divisive, since it contrasts his usual respect for Superman and [[LikeASonToMe affection]] for Clark.
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In Divergence 1 she apologized to him
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* ShipToShipCombat: The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
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* ShipToShipCombat: The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
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character derailment is listed in Flame Bait
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* CharacterDerailment: It seems that this story goal is to write Lois in the nastiest light possible. Just from the ''Before the Truth'' series alone, when Lois confronts Clark, she is angry at him for keeping secrets (understandable) and then... ''tear out his clothes'' to see his supersuit. In broad daylight, no less. Yeah...
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* CharacterDerailment: It seems that this story goal is to write Lois in the nastiest light possible. Just from the ''Before the Truth'' series alone, when Lois confronts Clark, she is angry at him for keeping secrets (understandable) and then... ''tear out his clothes'' to see his supersuit. In broad daylight, no less. Yeah...
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*** With the revelation of ''what'' Lois Lane did to reveal his identity comes the new question - was Lois justified in what she did or was this a case of jumping the gun and SuperDickery?
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** John Romita, Jr.'s art style. Some say it's beautiful and detailed, others say it's an ugly, incomprehensible mess.
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Wrong use of the trope: Ron The Death Eater is for fanon examples, not canon examples...
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** Adding more fuel to the fire, John Romita, Jr. stated in an [[http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/yang-romita-jr-expose-lois-lane-in-new-superman-arc-before-truth interview]], that he doesn't want Clark and Lois to be in a relationship, ''ever''.
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** Adding more fuel to the fire, John Romita, Jr. stated in an [[http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/yang-romita-jr-expose-lois-lane-in-new-superman-arc-before-truth interview]], that he doesn't want Clark and Lois to be in a relationship, ''ever''.''ever''.
* RonTheDeathEater: It seems that this story goal is to write Lois in the nastiest light possible. Just from the ''Before the Truth'' series alone, when Lois confronts Clark, she is angry at him for keeping secrets (understandable) and then... ''tear out his clothes'' to see his supersuit. In broad daylight, no less. Yeah...
* RonTheDeathEater: It seems that this story goal is to write Lois in the nastiest light possible. Just from the ''Before the Truth'' series alone, when Lois confronts Clark, she is angry at him for keeping secrets (understandable) and then... ''tear out his clothes'' to see his supersuit. In broad daylight, no less. Yeah...
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* HilariousInHindsight: Gene Luen Yang describes HORDR as an "evil Mark Zuckerberg". Considering Creator/JesseEisenberg of ''Film/TheSocialNetwork'' fame will play ComicBook/LexLuthor in ''Film/BatmanVSupermanDawnOfJustice'', you can probably see where this is going.
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity. [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/20/rewriting-lois-lanes-front-page-article/ Bleeding Cool]] also had an interview with someone who pointed out all of the flaws given in the article that revealed his identity.
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' ''ComicBook/LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity. [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/20/rewriting-lois-lanes-front-page-article/ Bleeding Cool]] also had an interview with someone who pointed out all of the flaws given in the article that revealed his identity.
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I wasn\'t aware of Character Derailment being Flame Bait trope and I have removed it (although I don\'t think it would really cause a flame war, given that I\'ve only used it as an audience reaction in which context I have seen Flame Bait tropes being used on this site).).
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** Lois Lane revealing Superman's identity is quite controversial (see bellow). There are those who argue it's and interesting change of her and Clark's dynamic that should have happened long time ago, some even arguing that Lois was justified in her actions, while others say it's extremely out of character for her and will do more harm than good in the long run. There are also Clark/Lois fans who are afraid this will be their ShipSinking.
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** Lois Lane revealing Superman's identity is quite controversial (see bellow). There are those who argue it's and interesting change of her and Clark's dynamic that should have happened long time ago, some even arguing that Lois was justified in her actions, while others consider this a massive CharacterDerailment. There are also Clark/Lois fans who are afraid this will be their ShipSinking.
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** Lois Lane revealing Superman's identity is quite controversial (see bellow). There are those who argue it's and interesting change of her and Clark's dynamic that should have happened long time ago, some even arguing that Lois was justified in her actions, while others consider this a massive CharacterDerailment. There are also Clark/Lois fans who are afraid this will be their ShipSinking.
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** Superman's new suit has its fair share of both supporters and haters.
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** Superman's new suit has its fair share of both supporters and haters. The supporters are those who like Superman's DarkerAndEdgier atmosphere and the haters are those who want a return to Superman's old IdealHero self.
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* ShipToShipCombat: The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
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* ShipToShipCombat: The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]]]
** Adding more fuel to the fire, John Romita, Jr. stated in an [[http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/yang-romita-jr-expose-lois-lane-in-new-superman-arc-before-truth interview]], that he doesn't want Clark and Lois to be in a relationship, ''ever''.
** Adding more fuel to the fire, John Romita, Jr. stated in an [[http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/yang-romita-jr-expose-lois-lane-in-new-superman-arc-before-truth interview]], that he doesn't want Clark and Lois to be in a relationship, ''ever''.
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** The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity. [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/20/rewriting-lois-lanes-front-page-article/ Bleeding Cool]] also had an interview with someone who pointed out all of the flaws given in the article that revealed his identity.
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity. [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/20/rewriting-lois-lanes-front-page-article/ Bleeding Cool]] also had an interview with someone who pointed out all of the flaws given in the article that revealed his identity.identity.
* ShipToShipCombat: The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
* ShipToShipCombat: The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity.
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity. [[http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/06/20/rewriting-lois-lanes-front-page-article/ Bleeding Cool]] also had an interview with someone who pointed out all of the flaws given in the article that revealed his identity.
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Needs two different opinions to count as a Broken Base.
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** Likewise most fans are against the idea of Lois Lane, even in her unsympathetic New 52 edition, outing Superman, since it goes against decades of continuity, stories and other adaptations where she was a proven SecretKeeper time and time again.
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** Likewise most fans are against the idea of Lois Lane, even in her unsympathetic New 52 edition, outing Superman, since it goes against decades of continuity, stories and other adaptations where she was a proven SecretKeeper time and time again.
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity.
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** The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not.
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** The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not. [[StrawmanHasAPoint Clark/Diana fans are quick to point out that Lois' actions and lack of remorse do her no favours.]]
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is.
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* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is. To give you an idea, [[http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/2015-comic-reviews/c-review-2015.php?topic=divergence01 this Internet review]] criticizes Lois’ actions as a violation of journalistic integrity.
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** The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not.not.
** Superman's new suit has its fair share of both supporters and haters.
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** Superman's new suit has its fair share of both supporters and haters.
* InternetBackdraft: The fact that ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is.
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Broken Base requires two sides to a debate, it is not just about complaints in general
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** Superman's new suit is disliked by a good portion of fans, especially among those who do not like the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''.
** Fans also dismiss Superman's power reduction a cheap way to create drama.
** Superman's new suit is disliked by a good portion of fans, especially among those who do not like the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''.
** Fans also dismiss Superman's power reduction a cheap way to create drama.
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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
** The very premise of the arc was very controversial among fans when it was revealed: either it is a new, interesting way to look at Franchise/{{Superman}}'s world and explore Superman as a character or a complete insult to Superman's lengthy history. There is also a [[TakeAThirdOption third camp]] of fans who admit the story arc is controversial but are willing to give it a chance.
** The fact that''Lois Lane'' ''LoisLane'' was the one who broke the news of Superman's identity. When it was revealed, many readers were livid that someone like Lois would act like some sort of tabloid sleezoid instead of the respected news reporter she usually is.is.
** Superman's new suit is disliked by a good portion of fans, especially among those who do not like the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''.
** Fans also dismiss Superman's power reduction a cheap way to create drama.
** The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not.
** The very premise of the arc was very controversial among fans when it was revealed: either it is a new, interesting way to look at Franchise/{{Superman}}'s world and explore Superman as a character or a complete insult to Superman's lengthy history. There is also a [[TakeAThirdOption third camp]] of fans who admit the story arc is controversial but are willing to give it a chance.
** The fact that
** Superman's new suit is disliked by a good portion of fans, especially among those who do not like the ''ComicBook/{{New 52}}''.
** Fans also dismiss Superman's power reduction a cheap way to create drama.
** The arc also teases the end of Superman and Franchise/WonderWoman's relationship. Clark/Lois fans are pleased, Clark/Diana fans are not.
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