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* WTHCastingAgency: Aside from any considerations of talent Kate Bosworth was an odd choice to play Lois Lane in ''Superman Returns'' on age alone - Bosworth was 23 (and looked it), playing a character roughly a decade older.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Aside from any considerations of talent Kate Bosworth was an odd choice to play Lois Lane in ''Superman Returns'' on age alone - Bosworth was 23 (and looked it), playing a character roughly a decade older. This is especially irritating when one considers that Parker Posey's in the cast and would have been perfect for an older iteration of Lois.
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** [[DisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitely stand out as this MEHs. The first would be the Titan massacre (which started with MyGodWhatHaveIDone and went on with a FreakOut), and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend, Laurie.]] His status of CompleteMonster hasn't been soldified yet, however.

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** [[DisContinuity [[FanonDisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitely stand out as this MEHs. The first would be the Titan massacre (which started with MyGodWhatHaveIDone and went on with a FreakOut), and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend, Laurie.]] His status of CompleteMonster hasn't been soldified yet, however.
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** No, no... it's "Look, up in the sky! Way up high! Who flies so high? SUPERMAN!"
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* HellIsThatNoise: Kryptonite made a pulsating noise when Supes opened the lead box. The original Dolby Surround mix (available in later pressings of the Theatrical Cut on DVD, as well as VHS and laserdisc) is louder.
** The 5.1 mix uses all channels during the Sonic Warning scene (''This is Lex Luthor. Only one thing alive of less than four legs can hear this frequency...'')


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** The depowering scene in the theatrical cut of ''SupermanII''.
** The last scene of the Executioner in the TV version of ''Superman The Movie''.
** The faint, echoing screams of the Phantom Zone villains inside that spinning crystal.
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* MemeticMutation: The aforementioned "[[KneelBeforeZod KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!]]" and "[[BigWrong WROOOOOOOOOONG!!!]]"

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* MemeticMutation: The aforementioned "[[KneelBeforeZod KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!]]" and "[[BigWrong WROOOOOOOOOONG!!!]]""WROOOOOOOOOONG!!!"

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* {{Anvilicious}}: ''Superman IV'', no doubt.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: ''Superman IV'', no doubt.IV'': nuclear weapons are bad! Did you get it?



* MemeticMutation: Lex Luthor stole forty cakes. [=~And That's Terrible~=].

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* MemeticMutation: Lex Luthor stole forty cakes. [=~And That's Terrible~=].AndThatsTerrible.



*** ClarkKenting, keeping a SecretIdentity through a disguise that's not even [[PaperThinDisguise paper thin]].



** [[DisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitevly stand out as this MEHs. The first would be the Titan massacre(which started with MyGodWhatHaveIDone and went on with a freak-out), and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend, Laurie.]] His status of CompleteMonster hasn't been soldified yet, however.

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** [[DisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitevly definitely stand out as this MEHs. The first would be the Titan massacre(which massacre (which started with MyGodWhatHaveIDone and went on with a freak-out), FreakOut), and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend, Laurie.]] His status of CompleteMonster hasn't been soldified yet, however.



** When Zod tried to kill his son to make an example out of him.
** When Luthor, after curing his sister of a disease, made her ill again [[MadScientist just to prove he could.]]

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** When Zod tried to kill his son to make an example out of him.
** When ** Luthor, after curing his sister of a disease, made her ill again [[MadScientist just to prove he could.]]



** As of BlackestNight, Prime [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap may become a decent character.]]

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** As of BlackestNight, ''BlackestNight'', Prime [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap may become a decent character.]]

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*** Then again we see his villiany by using a trap door to kill a cop.

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*** ** Then again the first act we see of his villiany by using a trap door to kill a cop.cop during a passing train car.
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*** Then again we see his villiany by using a trap door to kill a cop.
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** As of BlackestNight, Prime [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap may become a decent character.]]
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* AlienScrappy: In universe example, Mr. Mxyzptlk, also Main/TheUnpronounceable. Even the other characters think he's an annoying little snit. In reality, he's one of Supes's most famous enemies.
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* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superboy- Prime.

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* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superboy- Mister Mxyzptlk, Superboy Prime.

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* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superboy- Prime

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* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superboy- PrimePrime.
* Main/StoicWoobie: When Lois at one point breaks off their engagement and returns his ring (with fair cause; marrying Supes is a daunting prospect for a dozen reasons), a brokenhearted Superman flies out to the middle of the Atlantic to try to calm down. There he bumps into [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent Lori Lemaris of Atlantis,]] his ex-girlfriend, and confides in her how frustrating it is that he's the only man in the world who can ''never allow himself to get angry.'' He chucks the ring miles over the horizon. Then Lori asks, "Wasn't that Ma Kent's engagement ring?" Supes realizes she's right and bolts off over the horizon to retrieve it.
* Main/StrawmanHasAPoint: Superman in the Action Comics comic Muscles For Money. Sure he was being a jerk, but his argument that he deserves a reward for all his good deeds does have merit.

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* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superby- Prime

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* NewerThanTheyThink: Lex Luthor. Many villains of a certain type - {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}} {{Karma Houdini}} {{Magnificent Bastard}}s, generally [[BaldOfEvil bald]] - [[FanDumb have been described]] as Lex Luthor {{Expy}}s on this site. [[SpiderMan Norman Osborn]] and [[IronMan Obadiah Stane]], for example. However, Luthor was only a {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}} {{Karma Houdini}} after the ''Crisis'' in 1986. For most of the character's history he was a {{Mad Scientist}} driven to criminality by his hatred of Superman rather than the other way around. If anything, ''he'' is an {{Expy}} of the Green Goblin rather than the other way around.
* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superby- Superboy- Prime
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* MemeticMutation: Lex Luthor stole forty cakes. [=~And That's Terrible~=].
** Pre-internet memes from ''Superman'' include:
*** Kryptonite, as a object/substance/etc. that the forms the fatal weakness of someone. (Similar to an Achilies' heel, but that's more AttackItsWeakPoint.)
*** Superheroes wearing their underwear on the outside.
*** The terms "superpowers" and "superhero". Before Superman, they were "mystery men" who had "extra-normal abilities" or similar terms. Superman introduced the all-purpose "super" prefix.
*** "It's a bird! It's a plane!" And it's variation "Is it a bird or a plane?".
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* DorkAge (Superman transforming into an [[EnergyBeings electrical being]], then [[MesACrowd splitting]] into Red and Blue Superman.)
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Superman's ShutUpHannibal to [[NinetiesAntiHero Manchester Black]]: "Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear... until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share - I'll never stop fighting. Ever."
** Meta-example - The Superman radio show ''fought the resurrection of the Ku Klux Klan''. And defeated the real one's attempted post-War revival.
* [[Funny/ComicBooks Crowning Moment Of Funny]]: Yellow Lantern.
** And Pink Kryptonite. Lookin' pretty hot there, Jimmy.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Considering Superman's idealistic nature, he's prone to causing a whole lot... but let's face it, one of the biggest one has got to be the Kents' discovery and adoption of the infant Kal-El, regardless of the version of it.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Superman's ShutUpHannibal to [[NinetiesAntiHero Manchester Black]]: "Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear... until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share - I'll never stop fighting. Ever."
** Meta-example - The Superman radio show ''fought the resurrection of the Ku Klux Klan''. And defeated the real one's attempted post-War revival.
* [[Funny/ComicBooks Crowning Moment Of Funny]]: Yellow Lantern.
** And Pink Kryptonite. Lookin' pretty hot there, Jimmy.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Considering Superman's idealistic nature, he's prone to causing a whole lot... but let's face it, one of the biggest one has got to be the Kents' discovery and adoption of the infant Kal-El, regardless of the version of it.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: Superman's ShutUpHannibal to [[NinetiesAntiHero Manchester Black]]: "Dreams save us. Dreams lift us up and transform us. And on my soul, I swear... until my dream of a world where dignity, honor and justice becomes the reality we all share - I'll never stop fighting. Ever."
** Meta-example - The Superman radio show ''fought the resurrection of the Ku Klux Klan''. And defeated the real one's attempted post-War revival.
* [[Funny/ComicBooks Crowning Moment Of Funny]]: Yellow Lantern.
** And Pink Kryptonite. Lookin' pretty hot there, Jimmy.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Considering Superman's idealistic nature, he's prone to causing a whole lot... but let's face it, one of the biggest one has got to be the Kents' discovery and adoption of the infant Kal-El, regardless of the version of it.

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* CompleteMonster: While Superboy Prime was a Jerkass WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds before, there is no excuse for his actions in CountdownToFinalCrisis. Of course, this is ''Countdown'' we're talking about.

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* CompleteMonster: While Superboy Prime was a Jerkass WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds before, there is no excuse for his actions in CountdownToFinalCrisis. Of course, this is ''Countdown'' we're talking about. Ignoring this, how much of a monster the kid is [[DependingOnTheWriter seems to vary.]]



** [[DisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitevly stand out as this MEHs.The first would be the Titan massacre,and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend,Laurie]]

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** [[DisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitevly stand out as this MEHs. The first would be the Titan massacre,and massacre(which started with MyGodWhatHaveIDone and went on with a freak-out), and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend,Laurie]]girlfriend, Laurie.]] His status of CompleteMonster hasn't been soldified yet, however.


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*** And being a ManipulativeBastard to Superboy Prime.


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** When Luthor, after curing his sister of a disease, made her ill again [[MadScientist just to prove he could.]]

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Supeboy-Prime's apparent demise in ''BlackestNight''. Of course, it might not have happened. The Legion Threeboot featured a very creative storyteller who looked just like Superboy in one issue, and we now know the Threeboot took place on Earth-Prime.



* ContinuityPorn: Any story by E. Nelson Bridwell, proud and joyful [[TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] King of the [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fanboys!]] A fellow who loved his job.

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* CompleteMonster: While Superboy Prime was a Jerkass WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds before, there is no excuse for his actions in CountdownToFinalCrisis. Of course, this is ''Countdown'' we're talking about.
** Brainiac has been one since his introduction in 1958. When the [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] version is so evil that ''{{Superman}}'' has to resort to deadly force, you know he qualifies, and it seems like each new version has tried to up the ante.
** Unlike most examples of this trope, most incarnations of Brainac don't have emotions, meaning they aren't sadistic. They still count as the above though...
** Bruno Mannheinn
** Neutron
** Though Ursa and Zod are AbusiveParents on their on right,at least Zod is a NobleDemon.She's just a sadist about it
* ContinuityPorn: Any story by E. Nelson Bridwell, proud and joyful [[TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] King of the [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fanboys!]] A fellow who loved his job.job.
* CrazyAwesome: That time Bizarro managed to assemble an army of {{Supergirl}}s from across the multiverse.
** Vartox
* MotiveDecay: After his brain damage was cured by the demon Neron in ''Underworld Unleashed'', Atomic Skull has mainly appeared as just a superpowered thug-for-hire without any real motives.
** After getting her book, Silver Banshee now goes around causing trouble for no reason, and her tribe seems to have been forgotten. She can now be motivated by money, as well.
** Originally, Prime wanted to replace New Earth with a "perfect" Earth--Earth-Prime. When he found out this was impossible, he just wanted to destroy everything.
* MoralEventHorizon: In every one of his appearances, Superboy-Prime ends up finding new and horrific ways to become more and more of a CompleteMonster.
** [[AtopTheFourthWall "Did he just kill a pregnant chick? Not cool man"]]
** [[DisContinuity If you exclude Countdown]], there are two moments that definitevly stand out as this MEHs.The first would be the Titan massacre,and the second was [[spoiler: the heavily implied murder of his former girlfriend,Laurie]]
** When Alexander. Jr killed [[TheWoobie Pariah]]
** General Sam Lee crossed this in War of New Krypton
** When Zod tried to kill his son to make an example out of him.
* TheScrappy: Jimmy Olsen, Mxypltk, Superby- Prime
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* TheWoobie: Clark Kent by the Daily Planet elevators, a lovable nerd who has just been brushed off by Lois, ignored by everyone else and treated rudely by a person inside one of the cars and now all alone as he waits for a downward car. Don't feel too sorry for him though, for outside, [[BurningBuildingRescue Lois' helicopter is going to crash]] and his CrowningMomentOfAwesome is about to begin.
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I have not even seen these movies (yet; I might soon though) and I can tell that Harsher In Hindsight applies here. I have heard it applied to them before.

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* HarsherInHindsight: Needless to say, Reeve playing the role as Superman was seen in a whole new light after Reeve was crippled in real life. In light of Reeve's social activism on behalf of the disabled after ''that'', [[TheRealHeroes many parallels were drawn between his activism and his role as Superman]].

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* LawfulGood: DC characters don't get more Lawful Good than Superman. He's the page image.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The debate has raged for years over who is the ''real'' personality, Superman or Clark Kent?
** Pre-Crisis Superman was very much the dominant personality, with Clark Kent as mask he puts on in order to "hide." He noticeably wasn't very committed to it, as the ClarkKenting trope is quick to point out, and several times tried to just give up on the persona and be Superman 24/7
** The idea that Superman was the dominant personality was theorized by Jules Feiffer, whose words were paraphrased by Bill the Snakecharmer in ''KillBill Vol. 2''.
*** While that was the case in TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, several [[TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] stories, most notably the "Mr. Xavier Saga" [[XMen (no relation)]], came to the conclusion that he valued both identities equally, and felt miserable and stressed whenever he was forced to neglect either for an extended period of time. Without Clark, he had no way to ever relax; and without Superman, he couldn't help people in danger. [[hottip:* :"I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important... and realized that to do away with one would be to ''kill'' half of myself--''whoever'' I really am! So... I'd decided meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city--while up in the sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--a job for Superman!"]].
*** One good story involved a pair of gambling aliens separating Clark and Superman. All that happened was that there was two Supermans, and that when one of them was Clark the other felt compelled to be Superman, and vice versa.
** Post-Crisis is the opposite, Clark is the dominant personality with no knowledge or memories of Krypton until well into his adult years and ''after'' he started operating as a super hero. This means that Clark comes off as a far more assertive and aggressive person than the Pre-Crisis "wimp." This makes Superman come off as stiff and artificial because, as Clark puts it, "Clark is who I ''am,'' Superman is what I can ''do.''"
** Modern writers now suggest that there are actually three personalities, the first is Clark at home, who is a decent, normal guy like any other. Then there is Clark at the Daily Planet, still a nice guy if occasionally clumsy and a little goofy, likes to play things safe but also an ace reporter and DeadpanSnarker par excellence. Finally there is Superman, who is every inch TheCape and honestly believes in Truth and Justice, almost to a fault. He sees Krypton as his birthright, but not his home and tries to bring the best of that society to Earth while trying to steer away from its shortcomings.
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* ContinuityPorn: Any story by E. Nelson Bridwell, proud and joyful [[TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] King of the [[PromotedFanboy Promoted Fanboys!]] A fellow who loved his job.
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* LawfulGood: DC characters don't get more Lawful Good than Superman. He's the page image.
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* VillainDecay: Really, compare the Lex Luthor of the comic books to the sniveling, real estate-obsessed loser from the films. It's no contest.
* WhatAnIdiot: After Superman first makes his presence known in Metropolis by stopping many crimes in a single night, Lois deliberately asks about ''and prints for all to read'' one of his non-KryptoniteFactor weaknesses --his inability to see through lead.
* WTHCastingAgency: Aside from any considerations of talent Kate Bosworth was an odd choice to play Lois Lane in ''Superman Returns'' on age alone - Bosworth was 23 (and looked it), playing a character roughly a decade older.
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* AwesomeAnachronisticApparel: [[ClarkKenting Clark Kent's]] suit and hat are very [[TheFifties fifties]], yet he manages to look dashing in them.



** You can almost hear the words -- "Look, up in the sky, there he is! Look, up in the sky, Superman!"

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** You can almost hear the words -- "Look, up in the sky, there he is! Look, up in the sky, Superman!"Superman!"
* GenreTurningPoint: While not the first superhero film, the original ''Superman'' opened a whole new era for this genre (which either carries on to this day or ended with a similarly influential ''TheDarkKnightSaga'').
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: During the FinalBattle of ''Superman III'', the rogue supercomputer [[CombatTentacles shoots out cables and wires]], drags [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Ross Webster's]] sister into its circuitry and spits her out as a horrific HollywoodCyborg to join the attack on Superman. [[OurHeroIsDead Then it tries to do the same to Big Blue himself]]. Thank Rao for HollywoodAcid.
* MemeticMutation: The aforementioned "[[KneelBeforeZod KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!]]" and "[[BigWrong WROOOOOOOOOONG!!!]]"
** No mention of Otisburg? '''OTISBURG?!?!?'''
* MostlyNarmless: So much of films 1 and 2's lines read as corny and cliched, but Christopher Reeve and Terence Stamp make them so natural and right for their characters.
* {{Narm}}: Pretty much anything Nuclear Man does in ''IV''. Certain Lex moments in ''Returns''.
** The ''entire flying sequence'' with Lois' [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment spoken-word musical number]] in the first film. However, the [[SugarWiki/CrowningMusicOfAwesome music]] and the sheer sense of awe and wonder can make it a [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Crowning Moment Of Heartwarming]] for sufficiently sentimental viewers.
*** It was spoken-word because the filmmakers discovered too late that Margot Kidder couldn't sing. Perhaps dubbing in a professional singer's voice would have put them over budget or something.
* ReplacementScrappy: In ''Superman Returns'': Kitty's just no Teschmacher for many viewers. Earlier, in ''Superman III'' the character of Ross Webster was lambasted for being a cheap Lex Luthor [[CaptainErsatz knockoff]].
* RunningTheAsylum: ''Superman Returns''.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Although the first movie basically [[GenreLaunch invented the modern superhero film]], looks impressive even after 30 years, it is often dismissed as a museum piece with little appeal to modern audiences (YourMileageMayVary on that one; the visual effects may get outdated, but Christopher Reeve's acting and JohnWilliams' music score are timeless).
* TearJerker: Plenty in the original film, especially the 2001 Extended Cut, and ''Superman Returns'', although you'd be [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments smiling through most of them too]].
** Still...
--->''All those things I can do. All those powers. And I couldn't even save him.''
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: Many. One of the most striking visuals even today is the scene in the first film where Superman rebuilds the ''San Andreas Fault''. ''Superman Returns'' has the whole sequence with the 777 jetliner rescue.
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* CompleteMonster: Lex pretty much turns into one in ''Returns''.
-->Kitty: Will this really kill billions of people?
-->Lex: *nonchalantly, while lighting a cigar* Yes.
** He was already one by the first movie, albeit a much more hammy one.
-->Superman: Is this how you get your kicks, Luthor? By planning the deaths of innocent people?
-->Lex Luthor: *nonchalantly* No... by ''causing'' the deaths of innocent people.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: ''Superman IV'', no doubt.

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