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** Leon Silverberg, who it seems is now content to live out his days in the ruins of a deserted village like an old hermit despite only being in his forties by the time the game starts.
It gets worse when you read up on the backstory[[note]]Leon was a famed strategist for [[TheEmpire the Scarlet Moon Empire]] and resorted to a FalseFlagOperation that destroyed the town in question with most of its inhabitants in order to inflame Imperial tensions toward a war with neighboring Jowston. This was effective but basically turned him into a pariah in the Imperial court.[[/note]] It seems that this fractured his relationships with his family as well. Odessa and Mathiu fell out with him and it seems that his son, George (not named in the games proper but he is the father of [[VideoGame/SuikodenIII Albert and Caesar Silverberg]] also fell out of contact with his father around this time, as Albert seems to have only met Leon once and Caesar doesn't mention remembering him at all.

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** Leon Silverberg, who it seems is now content to live out his days in the ruins of a deserted village like an old hermit despite only being in his forties by the time the game starts. \n It gets worse when you read up on the backstory[[note]]Leon was a famed strategist for [[TheEmpire the Scarlet Moon Empire]] and resorted to a FalseFlagOperation that destroyed the town in question with most of its inhabitants in order to inflame Imperial tensions toward a war with neighboring Jowston. This was effective but basically turned him into a pariah in the Imperial court.[[/note]] It seems that this fractured his relationships with his family as well. Odessa and Mathiu fell out with him and it seems that his son, George (not named in the games proper but he is the father of [[VideoGame/SuikodenIII Albert and Caesar Silverberg]] also fell out of contact with his father around this time, as Albert seems to have only met Leon once and Caesar doesn't mention remembering him at all.


** Leon Silverberg, [[spoiler:considering that both his [[strike:children]] niece Odessa and nephew Mathiu die by the end of the game and that he is truly alone without his family.]]

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** Leon Silverberg, [[spoiler:considering who it seems is now content to live out his days in the ruins of a deserted village like an old hermit despite only being in his forties by the time the game starts.
It gets worse when you read up on the backstory[[note]]Leon was a famed strategist for [[TheEmpire the Scarlet Moon Empire]] and resorted to a FalseFlagOperation that destroyed the town in question with most of its inhabitants in order to inflame Imperial tensions toward a war with neighboring Jowston. This was effective but basically turned him into a pariah in the Imperial court.[[/note]] It seems that this fractured his relationships with his family as well. Odessa and Mathiu fell out with him and it seems that his son, George (not named in the games proper but he is the father of [[VideoGame/SuikodenIII Albert and Caesar Silverberg]] also fell out of contact with his father around this time, as Albert seems to have only met Leon once and Caesar doesn't mention remembering him at all.
[[spoiler:Considering
that both his [[strike:children]] niece Odessa and nephew Mathiu die by the end of the game and that he is truly alone without his family.]]

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* ViewerGenderConfusion: With her rather masculine hairstyle, you'd be forgiven to mistake Cleo for male.

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* HoYay: It's easy to read Gremio being this towards Tir. Almost every sentence he speaks relates in some way to the "young master". Though he claims he thinks of him as more of a son or brother.


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* TooCoolToLive:
** [[spoiler:Ted (your best friend)]], the original host of the Soul Eater Rune.
** [[spoiler:Odessa as well, although in this case dying did wonders for Flik's CharacterDevelopment.]]
* TheWoobie:
** Futch [[spoiler:after his dragon Black is killed, and he is exiled from the Dragon Knights as a result.]]
** Leon Silverberg, [[spoiler:considering that both his [[strike:children]] niece Odessa and nephew Mathiu die by the end of the game and that he is truly alone without his family.]]


* NighhtmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/Suikoden Has its own page.]]

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* NighhtmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/Suikoden Has its own page.]]


* CompleteMonster: [[OurVampireAreDifferent Neclord]], once a power-hungry man who journeyed to the Blue Moon Village of peaceful vampires, willingly had himself made into a vampire. Stealing their Moon Rune, which had kept the [[HorrorHunger thirst for blood]] of the villagers at bay, the vampires were [[SadisticChoice forced to choose]] between killing to eat or starving. Joining with Windy, Neclord decimated villages to obtain more True Runes in the name of his avarice. Attacking the village of North Window, Neclord wiped out the population to revive them as an undead army for himself, doing the same to the soldiers of a fortress he was made governor of. Demanding a [[WouldHurtAChild young girl]] be sacrificed once per year to be his bride, the screams from Neclord's castle could be heard throughout the village. [[VideoGame/SuikodenII Returning to North Window]], Neclord abducts and murders women who stray too close. Trying to turn the population of Tinto City into yet another undead army, Neclord abducts more women to be his "brides".

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* CompleteMonster: [[OurVampireAreDifferent [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Neclord]], once a power-hungry man who journeyed to the Blue Moon Village of peaceful vampires, willingly had himself made into a vampire. Stealing their Moon Rune, which had kept the [[HorrorHunger thirst for blood]] of the villagers at bay, the vampires were [[SadisticChoice forced to choose]] between killing to eat or starving. Joining with Windy, Neclord decimated villages to obtain more True Runes in the name of his avarice. Attacking the village of North Window, Neclord wiped out the population to revive them as an undead army for himself, doing the same to the soldiers of a fortress he was made governor of. Demanding a [[WouldHurtAChild young girl]] be sacrificed once per year to be his bride, the screams from Neclord's castle could be heard throughout the village. [[VideoGame/SuikodenII Returning to North Window]], Neclord abducts and murders women who stray too close. Trying to turn the population of Tinto City into yet another undead army, Neclord abducts more women to be his "brides".


* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] first appeared in ''VideoGame/SuikodenI''. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]] and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.

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* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] first appeared in ''VideoGame/SuikodenI''. There *CompleteMonster: [[OurVampireAreDifferent Neclord]], once existed a place called power-hungry man who journeyed to the Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by Village of peaceful vampires whose vampires, willingly had himself made into a vampire. Stealing their Moon Rune, which had kept the [[HorrorHunger thirst for blood was satiated by the presence blood]] of the Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in villagers at bay, the vampires of the town being forced to were [[SadisticChoice choose forced to choose]] between killing people to extend their lives, eat or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, starving. Joining with Windy, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune villages to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked Runes in the name of his avarice. Attacking the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants Neclord wiped out the population to use revive them as his an undead army. He later did army for himself, doing the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy a fortress he was made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one governor of. Demanding a [[WouldHurtAChild young girl a girl]] be sacrificed once per year to be his bride]]. Their bride, the screams from his Neclord's castle could be heard by throughout the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord village. [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned Returning to North Window]] Window]], Neclord abducts and began abducting murders women who strayed stray too close close. Trying to turn the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, population of Tinto City into yet another undead army, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, abducts more women to be his brides."brides".


* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] first appeared in ''VideoGame/SuikodenI''. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Blue Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]] and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.

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* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]] first appeared in ''VideoGame/SuikodenI''. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Blue Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]] and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.


* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]]. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]]. vampire]] first appeared in ''VideoGame/SuikodenI''. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Blue Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]]Window]] and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktorís LoveInterest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tintoís mayor, to be his brides.


* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]]. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Blue Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[ObviouslyEvil Neclord]] the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampire]]. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Blue Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the villageís altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to [[SadisticChoice choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves]]. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with [[BigBad Windy]] and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, [[ForTheEvulz on a whim]], attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimarís governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty one young girl a year to be his bride]]. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord [[VideoGame/SuikodenII returned to North Window]]


** Neclord is incredibly tough, since you're stuck with THREE mandatory characters. Viktor might be fine since you might be using him quite a lot, but Cleo tends to be forgotten after getting your castle (which was way before), so she might be a few levels away from your main team, and then there's Hix, who's a newcomer and not exactly a stellar fighter. Take all those and there's Neclord himself: almost all of his attacks are party-hitting attack and he tends to spam those, or if he happens to attack a single party member, it was powerful enough to bring them to critical health. And he has a crapton of HP to make this a dangerous slugfest. He's much easier in [[VideoGame/SuikodenII the sequel]], but here, he's hard due to the [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness primitive design of magic system and inventory management]].

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** Neclord is incredibly tough, since you're stuck with THREE mandatory characters. Viktor might be fine since you might be using him quite a lot, but Cleo tends to be forgotten after getting your castle (which was way before), so she might be a few levels away from your main team, and then there's Hix, who's a newcomer and not exactly a stellar fighter.fighter (and he's short-ranged, so he had to be in the frontline lest he becomes TheLoad). Take all those and there's Neclord himself: almost all of his attacks are party-hitting attack and he tends to spam those, or if he happens to attack a single party member, it was powerful enough to bring them to critical health. And he has a crapton of HP to make this a dangerous slugfest. He's much easier in [[VideoGame/SuikodenII the sequel]], but here, he's hard due to the [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness primitive design of magic system and inventory management]].

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** Neclord is incredibly tough, since you're stuck with THREE mandatory characters. Viktor might be fine since you might be using him quite a lot, but Cleo tends to be forgotten after getting your castle (which was way before), so she might be a few levels away from your main team, and then there's Hix, who's a newcomer and not exactly a stellar fighter. Take all those and there's Neclord himself: almost all of his attacks are party-hitting attack and he tends to spam those, or if he happens to attack a single party member, it was powerful enough to bring them to critical health. And he has a crapton of HP to make this a dangerous slugfest. He's much easier in [[VideoGame/SuikodenII the sequel]], but here, he's hard due to the [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness primitive design of magic system and inventory management]].


* {{Narm}}: Viktor says ''Pink Balloon'' during an otherwise serious scene.
* NarmCharm: The dragons look like dragons, act like dragons, and fly like dragons. What do they sound like when they roar? ''Elephants.''

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* {{Narm}}: Viktor says ''Pink Balloon'' during an otherwise serious scene.
the scene where [[spoiler:the party is discussing whether or not to execute Milich.]]
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The dragons look like dragons, act like dragons, and fly like dragons. What do they sound like when they roar? ''Elephants.''


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** Lastly, there's Sonya Shulen. She's ''[[LightningBruiser insanely fast]]'' so she almost always attacks first before half your party. She takes half-damage from all magic, {{counter attack}}s like crazy, and spams a powerful magic attack that can take out your melee fighters in two turns. On top of that, you have to fight her after beating the Shell Venus from the same dungeon, meaning you're likely to be low on spell casts, especially on a first playthrough.


* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Gremio's death.]]

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: Gremio's death.[[TearJerker/{{Suikoden}} Has its own page.]]



** Another example is the DuelBoss [[spoiler:against Teo, using Pahn.]] If you haven't been using him, (which you aren't been required to after the beginning of the game), he'll be both on his own and underleveled for the fight, making it nearly impossible.]]. While you're not required to win to continue with the game, if you lose, [[spoiler:Pahn will die, which also locks you out of being able to get the GoldenEnding]]. Also, the closest to the fight that you can save is before a scripted war battle, so you have to sit through that again if you want to retry the fight.
* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting Leon Silverberg. He can be easily found at [[DungeonTown Kalekka]] but will only joins after you HQ upgrades to Level 4 (when it will have a giant flag). The problem is that you have to talk to Mathiu in the War Room to get a letter and give it him, and depending of the situation, Mathiu will be away. After you begin the invasion of Shasarazade, Mathiu will no longer be in there, making Leon impossible to recruit.

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** Another example is the DuelBoss [[spoiler:against Teo, using Pahn.]] If you haven't been using him, (which you aren't been required to after the beginning of the game), he'll be both on his own and underleveled for the fight, making it nearly impossible.]]. While you're not required to win to continue with the game, if you lose, [[spoiler:Pahn will die, which also locks you out of being able to get the GoldenEnding]]. Also, the closest to the fight that you can save is before a scripted war battle, so you have to sit through that again if you want to retry the fight.
* ThatOneSidequest: Recruiting Leon Silverberg. He can be easily found at [[DungeonTown Kalekka]] but will only joins join after you your HQ upgrades to Level 4 (when it will have a giant flag). The problem is that you have to talk to Mathiu in the War Room to get a letter and give it him, and depending of the situation, Mathiu will be away. After you begin the invasion of Shasarazade, Mathiu will no longer be in there, making Leon [[PermanentlyMissableContent impossible to recruit.recruit]].

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