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%%* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Death Eaters.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Pretty much everyone except Voldemort gets this but it’s {{Deconstructed}}. These people [[OffScreenVillainy do awful things]] but are mainly seen with the people they care about.



* {{Moral Event Horizon}}:

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%%* RonTheDeathEater: The members of the Order suffer a little from this.



** The description of Tamm’s eye.

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** The description of Tamm’s Tamm's eye.



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--->'''Snape:''' -->'''Snape:''' Yes.
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** [[AdultFear The horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]

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** [[AdultFear The horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]



** Nagini. With an infant. [[AdultFear While his parents are watching.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Death Eaters.

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%%* IronWoobie: Hermione and Krum.
* JerkassWoobie: You know how Snape won over the fangirls in ''Deathly Hallows'' with his tragic back story and [[spoiler: constant love for Lily Potter?]] Now he has see Voldemort looking at him [[spoiler: with Lily's eyes. He failed to protect her son.]] Dude needs a hug.



* RonTheDeathEater: The members of the Order suffer a little from this.

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-->'''Barty:''' The Bad Thing was all for nothing. Wasn't it?
-->'''Snape:''' Yes.
** Before this, Barty asks if he can meet the Longbottoms. Because they're broken like he is.
** The entirety of Neville's conversation with Barty.
* TheWoobie:
** [[BreakTheHaughty Draco Malfoy is thoroughly broken by the end of part one.]]
** [[IronWoobie Hermione and Krum.]]
** You know how [[JerkassWoobie Snape]] won over the fangirls in ''Deathly Hallows'' with his tragic back story and [[spoiler: constant love for Lily Potter?]] Now he has see Voldemort looking at him [[spoiler: with Lily's eyes. He failed to protect her son.]] Dude needs a hug.
** Emmeline Vance.
** Barty Crouch Jr.
** Sose Tamm.

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-->'''Barty:''' **
--->'''Barty:'''
The Bad Thing was all for nothing. Wasn't it?
-->'''Snape:''' --->'''Snape:''' Yes.
** Before this, Barty asks if he can meet the Longbottoms. Because they're broken like he is.
** %%** The entirety of Neville's conversation with Barty.
* TheWoobie:
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TheWoobie: [[BreakTheHaughty Draco Malfoy is thoroughly broken by the end of part one.]]
** [[IronWoobie Hermione and Krum.]]
** You know how [[JerkassWoobie Snape]] won over the fangirls in ''Deathly Hallows'' with his tragic back story and [[spoiler: constant love for Lily Potter?]] Now he has see Voldemort looking at him [[spoiler: with Lily's eyes. He failed to protect her son.]] Dude needs a hug.
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%%** Emmeline Vance.
** %%** Barty Crouch Jr.
** %%** Sose Tamm.
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* CompleteMonster: Voldemort. Surprisingly, his Death Eaters are given just enough PetTheDog moments to avoid this.
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** The assassin who gets ''mauled to death'' by the [[ImAHumanitarian werewolf children]]. The poor bastard was under the [[BrainwashedAndCrazy imperius curse]] and certainly didn't deserve to die like that.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance:
** The Death Eaters regard Rodolphus and Bellatrix's penchant for public sex on raids as an amusing eccentricity, and tend to politely ignore it, even having conversations with one or both of them directly after (as in, they're still joined together).
** Pureblood men typically love their wives and want them to be happy. Except that nice women don't like being intimate, so women who do are clearly prostitutes. Not everyone actually believes this, but people give it lip-service, and this is basically what Narcissa tells Hermione when she gives her the Talk.
** Lucius scolds Hermione for saying 'please'to an elf. 'One doesn't ask an elf, love, one commands them.'
** Bellatrix agrees that Hermione can [[spoiler: keep being friends with Alise]] but only as long as she's getting something from the friendship, as it's only acceptable for the higher orders to mingle with the lower orders as long as the superior person benefits personally.
** It's totally acceptable for people of the same gender to platonically share beds. If anything, a person who wants to sleep alone if they don't need to is odd, and being unkind by depriving another person of companionship.
** Lucius is proud of Draco when he finds out Draco is the one who does most of the babysitting, because far from being unmasculine, it shows he'll be a good father and provider when he's grown.

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** Before this, Barty asks if he can meet the Longbottoms. Because they're broken like he is.

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** Before this, Barty asks if he can meet the Longbottoms. Because they're broken like he is.is.
** The entirety of Neville's conversation with Barty.
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** Sose Tamm.
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* RonTheDeathEater: The members of the Order suffer a little from this.
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** Before this, Barty asks if he can meet the Longbottoms. Because they're broken like he is.

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** [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent Nagini.]] With an infant. [[AdultFear While his parents are watching.]]

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** [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent Nagini.]] Nagini. With an infant. [[AdultFear While his parents are watching.]]



** Barty Crouch Jr.

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** Barty Crouch Jr.Jr.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
** Harry’s fate.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
{{Moral Event Horizon}}:
** Harry’s fate.[[spoiler: Stefan]] crosses it when he murders his uncle [[spoiler:Grigor Borev]] to claim his title and then uses it to conscript thousands of peasants, burning their homes and driving their women and children into the forest (in Eastern Europe, in December) to die. The fact he talks casually about his men raping the women is icing on the cake.
** [[spoiler: Travers]] goes over when he admits cheerfully to his mistress [[spoiler: Rita Skeeter]] that he was the one who loosed the [[spoiler:Dementors]] on the muggle village to test their capabilities, and justifies it by pointing out they're only muggles.
** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a ShoutOut during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'
** This is after he announces [[spoiler: he has no intention of honouring his treaty and saving Bulgaria, including Hermione, Viktor and Draco, and fully means to leave them to die.]]
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* {{Moral Event Horizon}}:
** [[spoiler: Stefan]] crosses it when he murders his uncle [[spoiler:Grigor Borev]] to claim his title and then uses it to conscript thousands of peasants, burning their homes and driving their women and children into the forest (in Eastern Europe, in December) to die. The fact he talks casually about his men raping the women is icing on the cake.
** [[spoiler: Travers]] goes over when he admits cheerfully to his mistress [[spoiler: Rita Skeeter]] that he was the one who loosed the [[spoiler:Dementors]] on the muggle village to test their capabilities, and justifies it by pointing out they're only muggles.
** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a ShoutOut during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'
** This is after he announces [[spoiler: he has no intention of honouring his treaty and saving Bulgaria, including Hermione, Viktor and Draco, and fully means to leave them to die.]]
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** Emmeline Vance.

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** Emmeline Vance.Vance.
** Barty Crouch Jr.
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* TearJerker:
-->'''Barty:''' The Bad Thing was all for nothing. Wasn't it?
-->'''Snape:''' Yes.
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** You know how [[JerkassWoobie Snape]] won over the fangirls in ''Deathly Hallows'' with his tragic back story and [[spoiler: constant love for Lily Potter?]] Now he has see Voldemort looking at him [[spoiler: with Lily's eyes. He failed to protect her son.]] Dude needs a hug.

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** You know how [[JerkassWoobie Snape]] won over the fangirls in ''Deathly Hallows'' with his tragic back story and [[spoiler: constant love for Lily Potter?]] Now he has see Voldemort looking at him [[spoiler: with Lily's eyes. He failed to protect her son.]] Dude needs a hug.hug.
** Emmeline Vance.
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** You know how [[JerkassWoobie Snape]] won over the fangirls in ''Deathly Hallows'' with his tragic back story and [[spoiler: constant love for Lily Potter?]] Now he has see Voldemort looking at him [[spoiler: with Lily's eyes. He failed to protect her son.]] Dude needs a hug.
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** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a {{shout-out}} during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'

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** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a {{shout-out}} ShoutOut during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'
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* Deliberate Values Dissonance:

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* Deliberate Values Dissonance:DeliberateValuesDissonance:
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** It's perfectly acceptable for a higher-class person to inconvenience or order a lower-class one about, as the lower orders have an obligation to serve their betters. This applies even if the higher-class person is decades younger.
** Educating the lower orders beyond precisely what they need is strongly discouraged, lest they think themselves equal to their betters.
** Wizards believe that house elves exist solely to serve them, despite being sentient.

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** It's perfectly **Lucius scolds Hermione for saying 'please'to an elf. 'One doesn't ask an elf, love, one commands them.'
**Bellatrix agrees that Hermione can [[spoiler: keep being friends with Alise]] but only as long as she's getting something from the friendship, as it's only
acceptable for a higher-class person the higher orders to inconvenience or order a lower-class one about, as mingle with the lower orders have an obligation to serve their betters. This applies even if as long as the higher-class superior person is decades younger.
benefits personally.
** Educating It's totally acceptable for people of the lower orders beyond precisely what same gender to platonically share beds. If anything, a person who wants to sleep alone if they don't need to is strongly discouraged, lest they think themselves equal to their betters.
** Wizards believe that house elves exist solely to serve them, despite
odd, and being sentient.unkind by depriving another person of companionship.
**Lucius is proud of Draco when he finds out Draco is the one who does most of the babysitting, because far from being unmasculine, it shows he'll be a good father and provider when he's grown.
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*Deliberate Values Dissonance:
**The Death Eaters regard Rodolphus and Bellatrix's penchant for public sex on raids as an amusing eccentricity, and tend to politely ignore it, even having conversations with one or both of them directly after (as in, they're still joined together).
**Pureblood men typically love their wives and want them to be happy. Except that nice women don't like being intimate, so women who do are clearly prostitutes. Not everyone actually believes this, but people give it lip-service, and this is basically what Narcissa tells Hermione when she gives her the Talk.
**It's perfectly acceptable for a higher-class person to inconvenience or order a lower-class one about, as the lower orders have an obligation to serve their betters. This applies even if the higher-class person is decades younger.
**Educating the lower orders beyond precisely what they need is strongly discouraged, lest they think themselves equal to their betters.
**Wizards believe that house elves exist solely to serve them, despite being sentient.
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** The implication that Crouch Sr knowingly sent innocent people to Azkban because they knew too much about the illegal activities he was encouraging aurors to commit.
** The Dark Lord ordering Snape to sell Hermione to cement an alliance. The family is forced to pretend to be happy as they have a mock-wedding night[[/folder it makes sense in context]] for the engaged couple, who are twelve and fifteen[[/folder nothing is supposed to be to happen and it doesn't]]. [[spoiler: Hermione]] sleeps with the doll that her new mother-in-law-to-be made her that night.
** Draco and Viktor calmly discussing what will happen to the women if the castle falls to [[spoiler: Pavel's werewolves]] and then agreeing to on a {{MercyKill course of action}}. They're twelve and fifteen at the time.

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** The implication that Crouch Sr knowingly sent innocent people to Azkban because they knew too much about the illegal activities he was encouraging the aurors to commit.
** The Dark Lord ordering Snape to sell Hermione to cement an alliance. The family is forced to pretend to be happy as they have a mock-wedding night[[/folder it night (it makes sense in context]] context) for the engaged couple, who are twelve and fifteen[[/folder nothing is supposed to be to happen and it doesn't]]. fifteen.[[spoiler: Hermione]] sleeps with the doll that her new mother-in-law-to-be made her that night.
her.
** Draco and Viktor calmly discussing what will happen to the women if the castle falls to [[spoiler: Pavel's werewolves]] and then agreeing to on a {{MercyKill [[MercyKill course of action}}.action]]. They're twelve and fifteen at the time.

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**The Dark Lord ordering Snape to sell Hermione to cement an alliance. The family is forced to pretend to be happy as they have a mock-wedding night[[/folder it makes sense in context]] for the engaged couple, who are twelve and fifteen[[/folder nothing is supposed to be to happen and it doesn't]]. [[spoiler: Hermione]] sleeps with the doll that her new mother-in-law-to-be made her that night.
**Draco and Viktor calmly discussing what will happen to the women if the castle falls to [[spoiler: Pavel's werewolves]] and then agreeing to on a {{MercyKill course of action}}. They're twelve and fifteen at the time.



** [[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]

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**The fate of the muggles of Whitnell. The Dark Lord [[spoiler: releases Dementors]]on them in order to test their effectiveness as a weapon, and then sends people to take pictures of the results.
** [[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]
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* [[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]
* Barty's revelation that he sometimes remembers what he was like. Imagine being mentally seven years old and having the occasional moment of realising what you've become, and what you did to get there, and being unable to understand it or put them it context at all.

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* ** [[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]
* ** Barty's revelation that he sometimes remembers what he was like. Imagine being mentally seven years old and having the occasional moment of realising what you've become, and what you did to get there, and being unable to understand it or put them it context at all.
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* Barty's revelation that he sometimes remembers what he was like. Imagine being mentally seven years old and having the occasional moment of realising what you've become, and what you did to get there, and being unable to understand them or put them into context at all.

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* Barty's revelation that he sometimes remembers what he was like. Imagine being mentally seven years old and having the occasional moment of realising what you've become, and what you did to get there, and being unable to understand them it or put them into it context at all.
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* [[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and then [[spoiler: disgarded when they've outlived their usefulness]] and knowing that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]
* Barty's revelation that he sometimes remembers what he was like. Imagine being mentally seven years old and having the occasional moment of realising what you've become, and what you did to get there.

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* [[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and then [[spoiler: disgarded when they've outlived their usefulness]] and knowing made to do things you know are damaging them, totally aware that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]
* Barty's revelation that he sometimes remembers what he was like. Imagine being mentally seven years old and having the occasional moment of realising what you've become, and what you did to get there.there, and being unable to understand them or put them into context at all.



** [[spoiler: Stefan]] crosses it when he murders his uncle [[spoiler:Grigor Borev]] to claim his title and then uses it to conscript thousands of peasants, burning their homes and driving their women and children into the forest (in Eastern Europe,in December) to die. The fact he talks casually about his men raping the women is icing on the cake.

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** [[spoiler: Stefan]] crosses it when he murders his uncle [[spoiler:Grigor Borev]] to claim his title and then uses it to conscript thousands of peasants, burning their homes and driving their women and children into the forest (in Eastern Europe,in Europe, in December) to die. The fact he talks casually about his men raping the women is icing on the cake.



** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a {{shout-out}}during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'

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** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a {{shout-out}}during {{shout-out}} during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'
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*[[AdultFear The existential horror of being made to watch as one's child(ren) are forced to commit increasingly brutal actions, sacrificed as political pawns and then [[spoiler: disgarded when they've outlived their usefulness]] and knowing that you are responsible for it, helpless to do anything but observe your beloved son or daughter gradually becoming an emotionally wrecked child soldier with no chance for anything like a normal life. And it's all your fault.]]
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** [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent Nagini.]] With an infant. [[AdultFear While his parents are watching.]]



** [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent Nagini.]] With an infant. [[AdultFear While his parents are watching.]]
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**The implication that Crouch Sr knowingly sent innocent people to Azkban because they knew too much about the illegal activities he was encouraging aurors to commit.
**[[spoiler: Emmeline Vance's]] transformation into [[spoiler: Eugenia Feathering Lestrange]]. Being forced to spy is bad enough, but to have to marry one of the people who tortured your best friend to madness? And then having to [[spoiler: give him a child]] to keep your cover? It's even worse when one finds out that [[spoiler: Emmeline/Eugenia]] was the one who found the Longbottoms, and Neville is her godson.
* {{Moral Event Horizon}}:
** [[spoiler: Stefan]] crosses it when he murders his uncle [[spoiler:Grigor Borev]] to claim his title and then uses it to conscript thousands of peasants, burning their homes and driving their women and children into the forest (in Eastern Europe,in December) to die. The fact he talks casually about his men raping the women is icing on the cake.
** [[spoiler: Travers]] goes over when he admits cheerfully to his mistress [[spoiler: Rita Skeeter]] that he was the one who loosed the [[spoiler:Dementors]] on the muggle village to test their capabilities, and justifies it by pointing out they're only muggles.
** The Dark Lord wins extra points for managing a {{shout-out}}during his MEH. 'Take her away, [[spoiler: Lucius]]. We have never been able to abide the snivelling of women.'
**This is after he announces [[spoiler: he has no intention of honouring his treaty and saving Bulgaria, including Hermione, Viktor and Draco, and fully means to leave them to die.]]



**The Lestranges (and Sirius's) rotting, post-Azkaban teeth, and Wizarding dentistry generally. Why? Because rather than remove bad teeth, the medi-wizard simply uses what amounts to magical acid to melt the bad spot out and then rebuilds the tooth with new enemel. Reading about Sirius spitting mouthfuls of his liquified teeth into a garbage can is pretty awful.



** [[IronWoobie Hermione and Krum.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: The Death Eaters.
* CompleteMonster: Voldemort. Surprisingly, his Death Eaters are given just enough PetTheDog moments to avoid this.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Pretty much everyone except Voldemort gets this but it’s {{Deconstructed}}. These people [[OffScreenVillainy do awful things]] but are mainly seen with the people they care about.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel:
** Harry’s fate.
** [[ReptilesAreAbhorrent Nagini.]] With an infant. [[AdultFear While his parents are watching.]]
* {{Squick}}:
** Everything and anything to do with Voldemort possessing Harry. He goes through puberty. He is turned on by Hermione. Pass the BrainBleach please.
** If the notion of Wormtail having sex wasn’t disturbing enough, the notion of having it with another rat definitely is.
** The description of Tamm’s eye.
* TheWoobie:
** [[BreakTheHaughty Draco Malfoy is thoroughly broken by the end of part one.]]
** [[IronWoobie Hermione and Krum.]]

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