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* Speaking of Creator/GrantMorrison, the Spot brings to mind [[ComicBook/TheInvisibles the demon Orlando]]: Both are [[VillainInAWhiteSuit white]] {{Humanoid Abomination}} with an obsession to beat one of the main characters and whose natural appearanca has visible sketch lines. Their personalities, however, [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain couldn't be]] [[PsychoForHire more different.]]

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* ** Speaking of Creator/GrantMorrison, the Spot brings to mind [[ComicBook/TheInvisibles the demon Orlando]]: Both are [[VillainInAWhiteSuit white]] {{Humanoid Abomination}} with an obsession to beat one of the main characters and whose natural appearanca has visible sketch lines. Their personalities, however, [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain couldn't be]] [[PsychoForHire more different.]]

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* Speaking of Creator/GrantMorrison, the Spot brings to mind [[ComicBook/TheInvisibled the demon Orlando]]: Both are [[VillainInAWhiteSuit white]] {{Humanoid Abomination}} with an obsession to beat one of the main characters and whose natural appearanca has visible sketch lines. Their personalities, however,
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* Speaking of Creator/GrantMorrison, the Spot brings to mind [[ComicBook/TheInvisibled [[ComicBook/TheInvisibles the demon Orlando]]: Both are [[VillainInAWhiteSuit white]] {{Humanoid Abomination}} with an obsession to beat one of the main characters and whose natural appearanca has visible sketch lines. Their personalities, however,
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* Speaking of Creator/GrantMorrison, the Spot brings to mind [[ComicBook/TheInvisibled the demon Orlando]]: Both are [[VillainInAWhiteSuit white]] {{Humanoid Abomination}} with an obsession to beat one of the main characters and whose natural appearanca has visible sketch lines. Their personalities, however,
[[IneffectiveSympathericVillain couldn't be]] [[PsychoForHire more different.]]
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* FanficFuel: Due to their similar ages and demonstrating great teamwork and chemistry together during the sequence in Mumbattan, lots of fanwork already popped up depicting Miles, Gwen, Hobie and Pavitr as being especially close knit with each other and doing all sorts of activities together, from playing in a band together, movie nights/sleepovers in each others' dimensions, all four of them babysitting Mayday together and so on.

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* FanficFuel: Due to their similar ages and demonstrating great teamwork and chemistry together during the sequence in Mumbattan, lots of fanwork already popped up depicting Miles, Gwen, Hobie and Pavitr as being especially close knit with each other and doing all sorts of activities together, from playing in a band together, movie nights/sleepovers in each others' dimensions, all four of them babysitting Mayday together and so on.
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** Gwen herself is hit with this even more than the first film. She likewise acts nervous when reuniting with Miles, bumps his arm to compliment his "growth spurt" and cringes at herself. Later she meets Miles' parents and does nothing but fumble, excitedly calling them by their first names, awkwardly salutes Jeff and excuses herself by saying she forgot to walk her steps in with a nervous laugh.

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** Gwen herself is hit with this even more than the first film. She likewise acts nervous when reuniting with Miles, bumps his arm to compliment his "growth spurt" and cringes at herself. Later she meets Miles' parents and does nothing but fumble, excitedly calling them by their first names, awkwardly salutes Jeff and excuses herself by saying she forgot to walk her steps in with a nervous laugh.laugh and dance.

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* BrokenBase: One of the biggest arguments that permeates the fanbase is whether or not Miles or Miguel is in the right. It usually goes one of two ways:
** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They believe that Gwen's dad quitting the police at the end disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
** Those who side with Miguel argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramifications of his actions.
** An extremely small, but vocal [[TakeAThirdOption third group]] say that Miles and Miguel are ''both'' [[BothSidesHaveAPoint right in different aspects]]. These fans believe that Miles has every right to be defensive over his dad due to how the character of Spider-Man has been characterized in almost every installment made about him, while also acknowledging that Miguel has a leg to stand on with the canon events theory due to what happened to his alternate self's universe, and overall believe the situation to not nearly be as [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black-and-white]] as the rest of the fanbase seems to view it as.

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One of the biggest arguments that permeates the fanbase is whether or not Miles or Miguel is in the right. It usually goes one of two ways:
** *** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They believe that Gwen's dad quitting the police at the end disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
** *** Those who side with Miguel argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramifications of his actions.
** *** An extremely small, but vocal [[TakeAThirdOption third group]] say that Miles and Miguel are ''both'' [[BothSidesHaveAPoint right in different aspects]]. These fans believe that Miles has every right to be defensive over his dad due to how the character of Spider-Man has been characterized in almost every installment made about him, while also acknowledging that Miguel has a leg to stand on with the canon events theory due to what happened to his alternate self's universe, and overall believe the situation to not nearly be as [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black-and-white]] as the rest of the fanbase seems to view it as.as.
** While the new portrayal of Peni Parker has become extremely popular upon her appearance, there are still some fans of her who preferred her portrayal from [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse the first movie]].



** While the new portrayal of Peni Parker has become extremely popular upon her appearance, there are still some fans of her who preferred her portrayal from [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse the first movie]].
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* AmericansHateTingle: Rio is a bit more divisive among Latin American audiences that in the rest of the world thanks to the rather exaggerated Puerto Rican accent the actress gave her in the dub which a lot of fans felt [[{{Narm}} it took them out of the movie in her scenes]].

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* AmericansHateTingle: Rio is a bit more divisive among Latin American audiences that than in the rest of the world thanks to the rather exaggerated Puerto Rican accent the actress gave her in the dub which a lot of fans felt [[{{Narm}} it took them out of the movie in her scenes]].
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* AmericansHateTingle: Rio is a bit more divisive among Latin American audiences that in the rest of the world thanks to the rather exaggerated Puerto Rican accent the actress gave her in the dub which a lot of fans felt [[{{Narm}} it took them out of the movie in her scenes]].
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* BrokenBase: One of the biggest arguments that permeates the fanbase is whether or not Miles or Miguel is in the right. It usually goes one of two ways:
** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They believe that Gwen's dad quitting the police at the end disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
** Those who side with Miguel argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramifications of his actions.
** An extremely small, but vocal [[TakeAThirdOption third group]] say that Miles and Miguel are ''both'' [[BothSidesHaveAPoint right in different aspects]]. These fans believe that Miles has every right to be defensive over his dad due to how the character of Spider-Man has been characterized in almost every installment made about him, while also acknowledging that Miguel has a leg to stand on with the canon events theory due to what happened to his alternate self's universe, and overall believe the situation to not nearly be as [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black-and-white]] as the rest of the fanbase seems to view it as.
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Misuse: Broken Base needs to have little-to-no middle ground or those who take a third option. If there is a middle group who prefers to Take A Third Option, than it doesn't count.


* BrokenBase: One of the biggest arguments that permeates the fanbase is whether or not Miles or Miguel is in the right. It usually goes one of two ways:
** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They believe that Gwen's dad quitting the police at the end disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
** Those who side with Miguel argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramifications of his actions.
** An extremely small, but vocal [[TakeAThirdOption third group]] say that Miles and Miguel are ''both'' [[BothSidesHaveAPoint right in different aspects]]. These fans believe that Miles has every right to be defensive over his dad due to how the character of Spider-Man has been characterized in almost every installment made about him, while also acknowledging that Miguel has a leg to stand on with the canon events theory due to what happened to his alternate self's universe, and overall believe the situation to not nearly be as [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black-and-white]] as the rest of the fanbase seems to view it as.
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** [[spoiler:Miguel O'Hara is a HeroAntagonist who believes that all Spider-People need to suffer a "canon event" by losing a loved one. However, memes extrapolate this motivation to him stopping time-travelers from preventing world-changing, historical tragedies, ultimately condemning countless people to suffer under the pretense of it being a "canon event", such as the Trans-Atlantic slave trade or the Holocaust. Some jokes take it even further to have Miguel state that the victims ''deserved'' to be killed and/or oppressed.]]

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** [[spoiler:Miguel O'Hara is a HeroAntagonist who believes that all Spider-People need to suffer a "canon event" by losing a loved one. However, memes extrapolate this motivation to him stopping time-travelers from preventing world-changing, historical tragedies, ultimately condemning countless people to suffer under the pretense of it being a "canon event", such as the Trans-Atlantic slave trade or the Holocaust. This can also extend to him stopping people from preventing the deaths of fan favorite characters. Some jokes take it even further to have Miguel state that the victims ''deserved'' to be killed and/or oppressed.]]
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** Gwen herself is hit with this even more than the first film. She likewise acts nervous when reuniting with Miles, bumps his arm to compliment his "growth spurt" and cringes at herself. Later she meets Miles' parents and does nothing but fumble, excitedly calling them by their first names, awkwardly salutes Jeff and excuses herself by saying she forgot "to get her steps" with a nervous laugh.

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** Gwen herself is hit with this even more than the first film. She likewise acts nervous when reuniting with Miles, bumps his arm to compliment his "growth spurt" and cringes at herself. Later she meets Miles' parents and does nothing but fumble, excitedly calling them by their first names, awkwardly salutes Jeff and excuses herself by saying she forgot "to get to walk her steps" steps in with a nervous laugh.
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** Gwen herself is hit with this even more than the first film. She likewise acts nervous when reuniting with Miles, bumps his arm to compliment his "growth spurt" and cringes at herself. Later she meets Miles' parents and does nothing but fumble, excitedly calling them by their first names, awkwardly salutes Jeff and excuses herself by saying she forgot "to get her steps" with a nervous laugh.
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** Before the film was released, the [[https://comicbook.com/movies/news/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-miles-morales-gwen-stacy-love-story/ confirmation]] that there will be a romance between Gwen and Miles as well a LoveTriangle between the two and Spider-Punk turned off quite a few fans who would rather have the two stay strictly as friends as was mostly the case in the first film, outside of some brief ShipTease. This was also a result of Gwen/Miles being a [[BrokenBase controversial pairing]] in the comics due to Gwen being Peter's dead girlfriend in the 616 continuity, as well as being older than Miles [[note]]even though they are the same age in the film[[/note]]. There were also concerns that the LoveTriangle subplot would [[RomanticPlotTumor bring down the rest of the film]]. Thankfully, the love triangle ended up being more downplayed than what people were expecting. Gwen and Hobie are close but neither appears to be interested romantically in the other, there are only a few instances of mild jealousy which are PlayedForLaughs and quickly dropped, and Miles and Hobie end up being on very good terms. Gwen and Miles ironically became a very popular pairing following the release of the film where they're given believable chemistry and a well-written slow-burn romance (they're also given a good amount of angst and a cliffhanger "breakup", which certainly appealed to many) and their dynamic have little in common with the comics.

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** Before the film was released, the [[https://comicbook.com/movies/news/spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-miles-morales-gwen-stacy-love-story/ confirmation]] that there will be a romance between Gwen and Miles as well a LoveTriangle between the two and Spider-Punk turned off quite a few fans who would rather have the two stay strictly as friends as was mostly the case in the first film, outside of some brief ShipTease. This was also a result of Gwen/Miles being a [[BrokenBase controversial pairing]] in the comics due to Gwen being Peter's dead girlfriend in the 616 continuity, as well as being older than Miles [[note]]even though they are the same age in the film[[/note]]. There were also concerns that the LoveTriangle subplot would [[RomanticPlotTumor bring down the rest of the film]]. Thankfully, the love triangle ended up being more downplayed than what people were expecting. Gwen and Hobie are close but neither appears to be interested romantically in the other, there are only a few instances of mild jealousy which are PlayedForLaughs and quickly dropped, and Miles and Hobie end up being on very good terms. Gwen and Miles ironically became a very popular pairing following the release of the film where they're given believable chemistry and a well-written slow-burn romance (they're also given a good amount of angst and a cliffhanger "breakup", separation, which certainly appealed to many) and their dynamic have little in common with the comics.
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This is too much of a stretch. The way the movie uses canon isn't different from how the term is already utilized in pop culture.


* GeniusBonus: Before it was reappropriated by various pop culture fandoms, "canon" used to refer to the rule of law as dictated by religious scripture. Miguel O'Hara's canon theory is taken as undisputed fact, it gained popularity due to helping the grieving masses process the loss of their loved ones, Miles Morales ends up being their scapegoat and any who question the canon are shunned like heretics. Not to mention its founder descended from two ethnic groups that are known for being devout Catholics.
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I have no idea what this is referring to. I don't recall anything in the movie about killing spiders


* AccidentalAesop: Basically; don't kill spiders, lest you cause a chain reaction [[SpaceWhaleAesop that dooms the multiverse]].
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* AccidentalAesop: Basically; don't kill spiders, lest you cause a chain reaction [[SpaceWhaleAesop that dooms the multiverse]].


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** Miguel calling Miles an anomaly has left some wondering how he feels about the Miles variants that appeared in other Spider-Man continuities which cameod in this film. As a brief instance in the Spot's exposition shows, the displaced spider actually was meant to bite a version of Miles Morales, just not this one.
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* HypeBacklash: ''Across the Spider-Verse'' has been a ''massive'' hit with both critics and audiences alike, many lauding it an EvenBetterSequel to the already critically acclaimed [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse predecessor]], and some critics have even named it "''The best Spider-Man movie ever made''". Par the course, this has led to this reaction in some corners of the internet, which some claiming its runtime is too long and needed trimming, or that the massive cliffhanger hurts the film rather than elevating it (although the alternative would apparently have been a near four hour movie instead), with some even claiming that ''Across'' "can't really be labelled a good movie or not" until ''Beyond the Spider-Verse'' comes out.
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* MemeticLoser: You think Miles' "Spider-Luck" is bad in the film? In the memes, he can't catch a single break: over and over again, he gets beaten to a pulp by Miguel [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero for being Black]], is told by the latter that he's an anomaly that shouldn't exist and should [[WebVideo/LowTierGod kill himself NOW]], has to face invincible Spider-People such as [[MemeticBadass LEGO Spider-Man]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking gets his Jordans ruined by the Spot]].

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* MemeticLoser: You think Miles' "Spider-Luck" is bad in the film? In the memes, he can't catch a single break: over and over again, he gets beaten to a pulp by Miguel [[PoliticallyIncorrectHero for being Black]], is told by the latter that he's an anomaly that shouldn't exist and [[SuicideDare should [[WebVideo/LowTierGod kill himself NOW]], himself]], has to face invincible Spider-People such as [[MemeticBadass LEGO Spider-Man]] and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking gets his Jordans ruined by the Spot]].
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** An alternative theory is that the Peter Parker from Gwen Stacy's dimension is the one who is trans, due to his somewhat scrawny and weak physical appearance; his desire to "get stronger" using the lizard serum can be seen as a parallel to gender dysphoria and the need to conform to society's expectations of masculinity.

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** An alternative theory is that the Peter Parker from Gwen Stacy's dimension is the one who is trans, due to his somewhat scrawny and weak physical appearance; his desire to "get stronger" using the lizard serum can be seen as a parallel to gender dysphoria and the need to conform to society's expectations of masculinity. Likewise, Gwen's "protect trans kids" flag can be interpreted in this context as a declaration of solidarity with a transgender Peter.
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** Those who side with Miguel argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification of his actions.

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** Those who side with Miguel argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification ramifications of his actions.
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** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They believe that Gwen's Dad quitting the police at the end disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.

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** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They believe that Gwen's Dad dad quitting the police at the end disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
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** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They also cite that not only does Gwen's interaction with George at the end disprove Miguel's canon events theory, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die, but that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.

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** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They also cite believe that not only does Gwen's interaction with George Dad quitting the police at the end disprove disproves Miguel's canon events theory, and that any evidence for it was shaky at best to begin with, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die, but die. They also think that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
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** Those who side with Miguel point out how his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification of his actions.

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** Those who side with Miguel point out how argue that his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification of his actions.
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** Those who side with Miguel point out how his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understand the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification of his actions.

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** Those who side with Miguel point out how his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understand understands the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification of his actions.

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* BrokenBase: One of the biggest arguments that permeates the fanbase is whether or not Miles or Miguel is in the right. It usually goes one of two ways:
** Those who side with Miles say that everything that caused him to be Spider-Man was completely out of his control, and that he shouldn't have to hold responsibility for circumstances that he never directly caused. They also cite that not only does Gwen's interaction with George at the end disprove Miguel's canon events theory, meaning that Jefferson doesn't need, let alone deserve, to die, but that Miguel's extremist behavior goes against the Spider-Man moral code of refusing to let innocents die out of neglect or necessity.
** Those who side with Miguel point out how his backstory of taking his alternate self's life before that alternate self's universe collapsed is definitive proof of canon events, and that he's the only one who understand the need to abide by TheNeedsOfTheMany. These fans often say that Miles is acting irresponsibly by choosing his father's life over the entire multiverse, and want Miguel's stance to be validated by the events of ''Beyond'' to show Miles the ramification of his actions.
** An extremely small, but vocal [[TakeAThirdOption third group]] say that Miles and Miguel are ''both'' [[BothSidesHaveAPoint right in different aspects]]. These fans believe that Miles has every right to be defensive over his dad due to how the character of Spider-Man has been characterized in almost every installment made about him, while also acknowledging that Miguel has a leg to stand on with the canon events theory due to what happened to his alternate self's universe, and overall believe the situation to not nearly be as [[BlackAndWhiteMorality black-and-white]] as the rest of the fanbase seems to view it as.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: [[Characters/MarvelComicsScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] makes an appearance with the rest of the Spider-Society, [[spoiler:and later forms part of the team Miguel sends to track down Miles]]. However, some fans were not pleased by how the film depicts him, as pretty much all of his lines and scenes are devoted to lampooning the NinetiesAntiHero tropes that were prevalent at the time of his introduction to the comics, and little is explored with his canonical characterization or backstory. Making it even worse is that he barely displayed any of those traits in his run. In fact, he (and by extension the Clone Saga as a whole) were created because ''Peter'' [[DarkerAndEdgier was exhibiting them]]. The movie also identifies him as coming from Earth-94 in an apparent reference to the prominent role Ben Reilly of Earth-94 takes in [[ComicBook/SpiderVerse the comic event]]. The comics version was notable for being particularly upbeat and averting major negative events that happened in most other universes. While keeping the latter part intact wouldn't mesh with the film's plot, the complete personality inversion still stands out.

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[[Characters/MarvelComicsScarletSpider Ben Reilly]] makes an appearance with the rest of the Spider-Society, [[spoiler:and later forms part of the team Miguel sends to track down Miles]]. However, some fans were not pleased by how the film depicts him, as pretty much all of his lines and scenes are devoted to lampooning the NinetiesAntiHero tropes that were prevalent at the time of his introduction to the comics, and little is explored with his canonical characterization or backstory. Making it even worse is that he barely displayed any of those traits in his run. In fact, he (and by extension the Clone Saga as a whole) were created because ''Peter'' [[DarkerAndEdgier was exhibiting them]]. The movie also identifies him as coming from Earth-94 in an apparent reference to the prominent role Ben Reilly of Earth-94 takes in [[ComicBook/SpiderVerse the comic event]]. The comics version was notable for being particularly upbeat and averting major negative events that happened in most other universes. While keeping the latter part intact wouldn't mesh with the film's plot, the complete personality inversion still stands out.out.
** While the new portrayal of Peni Parker has become extremely popular upon her appearance, there are still some fans of her who preferred her portrayal from [[WesternAnimation/SpiderManIntoTheSpiderVerse the first movie]].
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Changing this back because Ive never seen anyone theorize that both gwen and peter are trans. Ive only seen people say that either gwen is trans, or peter is trans and gwen is just an ally


** An alternative theory is that the Peter Parker from Gwen Stacy's dimension is trans, due to his somewhat scrawny and weak physical appearance; his desire to "get stronger" using the lizard serum can be seen as a parallel to gender dysphoria and the need to conform to society's expectations of masculinity.

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** An alternative theory is that the Peter Parker from Gwen Stacy's dimension is the one who is trans, due to his somewhat scrawny and weak physical appearance; his desire to "get stronger" using the lizard serum can be seen as a parallel to gender dysphoria and the need to conform to society's expectations of masculinity.
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** Due to how popular the "Bagel Effect" meme has already become shortly after the film came out, a portion of the fanbase assumes that, in a very extreme case of ForWantOfANail, Miles throwing a bagel at the Spot kickstarted a butterfly effect leading to the latter mutating into a supervillain [[spoiler: and later becoming a multiversal threat]], when in reality, the Spot got his powers from Miles destroying Kingpin's collider, an event completely unrelated to the Bagel incident, and became a villain due to society rejecting him for his new appearance and Miles dismissing him as a joke. The bagel incident is simply an unrelated event Spot brings up so Miles understands who he is and when they've "met" before, not his actual catalyst into supervillainy.

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** Due to how popular the "Bagel Effect" meme has already become shortly after the film came out, a portion of the fanbase assumes that, in a very extreme case of ForWantOfANail, ButterflyOfDoom, Miles throwing a bagel at the Spot kickstarted a butterfly effect leading to the latter mutating into a supervillain [[spoiler: and later becoming a multiversal threat]], when in reality, the Spot got his powers from Miles destroying Kingpin's collider, an event completely unrelated to the Bagel incident, and became a villain due to society rejecting him for his new appearance and Miles dismissing him as a joke. The bagel incident is simply an unrelated event Spot brings up so Miles understands who he is and when they've "met" before, not his actual catalyst into supervillainy.



* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Thanks to the film's more apparent implied romance, Miles has been shipped with pretty much almost everyone in the main cast (which also popularized the "Miles got the rizz" meme as mentioned below), from [[ImpliedLoveInterest Gwen]], [[ShipTease Margo]], [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Peni]], [[HoYay Hobie, Pavitr]], [[MentorShip Peter]], [[FoeYayShipping Miguel, the Spot]], and even [[spoiler:his {{alternate self|shipping}}]].

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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Thanks to the film's more apparent implied romance, Miles has been shipped with pretty much almost everyone in the main cast (which also popularized the "Miles got the rizz" meme as mentioned below), meme), from [[ImpliedLoveInterest Gwen]], [[ShipTease Margo]], [[ShipsThatPassInTheNight Peni]], [[HoYay Hobie, Pavitr]], [[MentorShip Peter]], [[FoeYayShipping Miguel, the Spot]], and even [[spoiler:his {{alternate self|shipping}}]].



** Gwen Stacy has been interpreted by a large section of the film's viewership as being trans-coded, if not being outright transgender. She has a trans pride flag hanging in her room, and later in the movie, when she [[spoiler:finally has a conversation with her father and yells at him about having to hide part of herself in case he didn't accept her]], she is bathed in bright blue, pink, and white light (the colors of the trans pride flag) which solidified the implications to many that her arc is an analog to those in the transgender community coming out to their loved ones. However, the colors are also the usual colors of Gwen's costume, and the art style of her universe in general uses these colors.
** An alternative theory is that the Peter Parker from Gwen Stacy's dimension is the one who is trans, due to his somewhat scrawny and weak physical appearance; his desire to "get stronger" using the lizard serum can be seen as a parallel to gender dysphoria and the need to conform to society's expectations of masculinity.

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** Gwen Stacy has been interpreted by a large section of the film's viewership as being trans-coded, if not being outright transgender. She has a trans pride flag hanging in her room, and later in the movie, when she [[spoiler:finally has a conversation with her father and yells at him about having to hide part of herself in case he didn't accept her]], she is bathed in bright blue, pink, and white light (the colors of the trans pride flag) which flag). While these are the usual colors of Gwen's costume, and the art style of her universe in general uses pastel colors, this specific moment solidified the implications to many that her arc is an analog to those in the transgender community coming out to their loved ones. However, the colors are also the usual colors of Gwen's costume, and the art style of her universe in general uses these colors.
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** An alternative theory is that the Peter Parker from Gwen Stacy's dimension is the one who is trans, due to his somewhat scrawny and weak physical appearance; his desire to "get stronger" using the lizard serum can be seen as a parallel to gender dysphoria and the need to conform to society's expectations of masculinity.



** Gwen's scenes with her father distinctly stand out animation-wise from the rest of the movie, as the backgrounds are a more soft palette-paintings, with the appearance of them changing throughout the scene with what's being said by the characters.

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** Gwen's scenes with in her father own universe distinctly stand out animation-wise from the rest of the movie, as the backgrounds are a more soft palette-paintings, abstract pastel paintings, with the appearance of them palette changing throughout the each scene with what's being said by to match the characters.characters' moods and dialogue.

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