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** Well, from his diaries, we know that Doe is the type of man who would vomit on a guy who just asks him about the weather and ''laugh'' about it because he finds the average human being absolutely disgusting, so its not ''quite'' the same thing. Both believe they live in a CrapsackWorld, but Doe believes that because he is a completely egotistical bastard who ignores his own rampant hypocrisy, so he's not really an OnlySaneMan [[(AxCrazy not by a mile)]] so much as RightForTheWrongReasons (for a really, really cynical interpretation of "right").



* FridgeLogic: Doe has an obsessive hatred against "sinners", a grandiose sense of self-worth, and is a perverted sexual sadist. This makes him more guilty of Wrath, Pride and Lust than the victims of those sins. But since he's clearly a nutjob, this is probably a literal case of InsaneTrollLogic.

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* FridgeLogic: Doe has an obsessive hatred against "sinners", a grandiose sense of self-worth, and is a perverted sexual sadist. This makes him more guilty of Wrath, Pride and Lust than the victims of those sins. [[JustifiedTrope But since he's clearly a nutjob, nutjob]], this is probably a literal case of InsaneTrollLogic.
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* NightMareFuel: All five murders to differing extents, especially Sloth.
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* GambitRoulette: John Doe's plan hinges upon: the police finding the Gluttony message behind the fridge, the Sloth victim not being discovered ahead of time, the police finding the message hidden the painting in Gould's office, the police being able to connect the fingerprints behind the painting to the Sloth victim, the police finding the Sloth victim on the appropriate day, the package containing [[spoiler: Tracy's head]] arriving at the scene at the right time, somebody actually opening said package and seeing its contents (one of the cops in the helicopter, upon seeing the package, radios for the bomb squad to be brought in - why would this not be Somerset's first assumption?), and convincing [[spoiler: Mills to kill John Doe]], without anyone intervening. Additionally, practically every murder takes place in a location where someone could have easily interrupted John Doe before completing the murder in question (Somerset notes that John Doe left the scene of the Gluttony murder twice in order to buy more spaghetti sauce, and hand waves no one interrupting the Greed murder with SomebodyElsesProblem) - he was extraordinarily lucky that no one did so. Finally, when Somerset and Mills arrive at John Doe's apartment he fires upon them from a distance, and again when they give chase - Somerset and Mills form an integral part of his plan, so he must have been missing on purpose, but he was still lucky that he didn't accidentally hit one of them.

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* GambitRoulette: John Doe's plan hinges upon: the police finding the Gluttony message behind the fridge, the Sloth victim not being discovered ahead of time, the police finding the message hidden behind the painting in Gould's office, the police being able to connect the fingerprints behind the painting to the Sloth victim, the police finding the Sloth victim on the appropriate day, the package containing [[spoiler: Tracy's head]] arriving at the scene at the right time, somebody actually opening said package and seeing its contents (one of the cops in the helicopter, upon seeing the package, radios for the bomb squad to be brought in - why would this not be Somerset's first assumption?), and convincing [[spoiler: Mills to kill John Doe]], without anyone intervening. Additionally, practically every murder takes place in a location where someone could have easily interrupted John Doe before completing the murder in question (Somerset notes that John Doe left the scene of the Gluttony murder twice in order to buy more spaghetti sauce, and hand waves no one interrupting the Greed murder with SomebodyElsesProblem) - he was extraordinarily lucky that no one did so. Finally, when Somerset and Mills arrive at John Doe's apartment he fires upon them from a distance, and again when they give chase - Somerset and Mills form an integral part of his plan, so he must have been missing on purpose, but he was still lucky that he didn't accidentally hit one of them.
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* GambitRoulette: John Doe's plan hinges upon: the police finding the Gluttony message behind the fridge, the Sloth victim not being discovered ahead of time, the police finding the message hidden the painting in Gould's office, the police being able to connect the fingerprints behind the painting to the Sloth victim, the police finding the Sloth victim on the appropriate day, the package containing [[spoiler: Tracy's head]] arriving at the scene at the right time, somebody actually opening said package and seeing its contents (one of the cops in the helicopter, upon seeing the package, radios for the bomb squad to be brought in - why would this not be Somerset's first assumption?), and convincing [[spoiler: Mills to kill John Doe]], without anyone intervening. Additionally, practically every murder takes place in a location where someone could have easily interrupted John Doe before completing the murder in question (Somerset notes that John Doe left the scene of the Gluttony murder twice in order to buy more spaghetti sauce, and hand waves no one interrupting the Greed murder with SomebodyElsesProblem) - he was extraordinarily lucky that no one did so. Finally, when Somerset and Mills arrive at John Doe's apartment he fires upon them from a distance, and again when they give chase - Somerset and Mills form an integral part of his plan, so he must have been missing on purpose, but he was still lucky that he didn't accidentally hit one of them.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: All of the murders, particularly "Sloth" and "Lust".
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* NarrowedItDownToTheGuyIRecognize: Ingeniously averted. [[spoiler: The name of the guy you recognize doesn't appear on the poster or in the opening credits, and he doesn't show up till the third act.]]

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* NarrowedItDownToTheGuyIRecognize: Ingeniously averted. [[spoiler: The name of the guy you recognize doesn't appear on the poster or in the opening credits, and he doesn't show up till you don't get a clear shot of his face until the third act.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: The only explicitly Jewish character in the film, the lawyer Eli Gould, is murdered because [[GreedyJew he is so greedy]]. That being said, it's not inconceivable that John Doe is anti-Semitic on top of everything else.
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** For the same reasons, Somerset's insistence that they need a warrant to get into John Doe's apartment. "Emergency" warrants are ''extremely'' easy to secure following the PATRIOT Act.
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The opening title sequence, which put Kyle Cooper (a dedicated title sequence director) on the map.
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*** Just say that area is in [[Handwave A Major Rainshaow]]

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*** Just say that area is in [[Handwave [[HandWave A Major Rainshaow]]
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***Just say that area is in [[Handwave A Major Rainshaow]]
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* WTHCastingAgency: Or in this case, [=WTH=] Promotions. David Fincher mentions in a commentary track that for reasons he cannot fathom, the people who went out looking for test audiences for the movie used ''DrivingMissDaisy'' and ''LegendsOfTheFall'' as examples of movies that Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt, respectively, have been in. So naturally, most of the people in the audience were the kind of people who would watch films like ''DrivingMissDaisy'' and ''LegendsOfTheFall'', and not films like, well, ''{{Se7en}}''. Fincher said that after the movie got out, he was standing outside the theater, and three middle-aged women walked past him. As they did so, one said "Whoever made this movie should be shot."

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* WTHCastingAgency: Or in this case, [=WTH=] Promotions. David Fincher mentions in a commentary track that for reasons he cannot fathom, the people who went out looking for test audiences for the movie used ''DrivingMissDaisy'' and ''LegendsOfTheFall'' as examples of movies that Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt, respectively, have been in. So naturally, most of the people in the audience were the kind of people who would watch films like ''DrivingMissDaisy'' and ''LegendsOfTheFall'', and not films like, well, ''{{Se7en}}''. Fincher said that after the movie got out, he was standing outside the theater, and three middle-aged women walked past him. As they did so, one said "Whoever made this movie should be shot.""
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** Although Mills and Somerset remain sympathetic for almost the entirety of the movie.
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* ItWasHisSled: People who don't know who plays the villain, or what happens in the dénouement, are pretty hard to come by.
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* NarrowedItDownToTheGuyIRecognize: Ingeniously averted. [[spoiler: The name of the guy you recognize doesn't appear on the poster or in the opening credits, and he doesn't show up till the third act.]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: YourMileageMayVary, but let's face it, the film is ''absurdly'' dark.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: YourMileageMayVary, but let's DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Let's face it, the film is ''absurdly'' dark.
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*** It's also possible that John Doe blamed Lust for enabling other people's sins.
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*** You could argue that the john is the true intended victim, as now he'll have to live with that memory.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the [[OnlySaneMan only really sane men]], knowing damn well how bad the world is, but differ on how they deal with it (making Doe essentially Somerset's EvilCounterpart).

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the [[OnlySaneMan only really sane men]], knowing damn well how bad the world is, but differ on how they deal with it (making Doe (which essentially makes Doe Somerset's EvilCounterpart).
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the [[OnlySaneMan only really sane men]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the [[OnlySaneMan only really sane men]].men]], knowing damn well how bad the world is, but differ on how they deal with it (making Doe essentially Somerset's EvilCounterpart).
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the only really sane men.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the [[OnlySaneMan only really sane men.men]].
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** The victim of the Lust killing is not actually guilty of the crime of lust herself. Lapse into lazy writing and casual misogyny on the part of the screenwriter, or apt characterisation of John Doe as a woman-hater himself who ''of course'' would blame lust on the prostitute rather then the men she services? Your call, viewer.
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* DarthWiki/{{Narm}}: A lot of people have trouble taking [[spoiler:the moments leading up to Doe getting shot seriously, between his {{Anvilicious}} speech to make Mills shoot him and the latter's whining and how he switches between "crying" and "straight" faces a number of times.]]
** "What's in the fucking box!?"
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* {{Anvilicious}}: HumansAreBastards and we live in a CrapsackWorld. The film is not in any way subtle about reinforcing these points.

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* {{Anvilicious}}: HumansAreBastards and we We live in a CrapsackWorld. The film is not in any way subtle about reinforcing these points.
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** "What's in the fucking box!?"
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* DarthWiki/{{Narm}}: A lot of people have trouble taking [[spoiler:the moments leading up to Doe getting shot seriously, between his {{Anvilicious}} speech to make Mills shoot him and the latter's whining and how he switches between "crying" and "straight" faces a number of times.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: William Somerset and John Doe are the only really sane men.



* CompleteMonster: Oh god, John Doe.



** More generally, though: it's been [[GrayRainOfDepression raining in the city]] for nearly a week and it's implied the city gets a lot of rain. At the climax of the movie, our heroes head out of the city into the immediate environs... which are a flat desert that behaves as though it hasn't seen rain in months[[hottip:*:which, conveniently, is the geography [[CaliforniaDoubling closest and cheapest to Los Angeles]]]]. [[YouFailGeographyForever Right, then.]]

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** More generally, though: it's been [[GrayRainOfDepression raining in the city]] for nearly a week and it's implied the city gets a lot of rain. At the climax of the movie, our heroes head out of the city into the immediate environs... which are a flat desert that behaves as though it hasn't seen rain in months[[hottip:*:which, conveniently, is the geography [[CaliforniaDoubling closest and cheapest to Los Angeles]]]]. [[YouFailGeographyForever Right, then.]]]]
* FunnyAneurysmMoment: Mills and Somerset panicking over the legal implications of the FBI secretly tracking potential criminals via certain books taken from the library, and their use of said evidence to track down John Doe. In an age where the War on Terror and the rise of the Internet has turned that kind of thing UpToEleven, it all seems rather quaint.
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: All of the murders, particularly "Sloth" and "Lust".
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Modern viewers might find the notion of [[{{Saw}} a serial killer who implements cruel and elaborate tortures]] to deliver KarmicDeath to his victims to be cliche, but in 1995 it was genuinely horrifying and new. That most of the films inspired by ''Se7en'' have been more focused on the {{Gorn}} and pure shock value aspects of the film than its meticulously-crafted atmosphere and cerebral tone certainly hasn't helped matters.
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: [[spoiler:According to John Doe, part of his motivation]].
* WTHCastingAgency: Or in this case, [=WTH=] Promotions. David Fincher mentions in a commentary track that for reasons he cannot fathom, the people who went out looking for test audiences for the movie used ''DrivingMissDaisy'' and ''LegendsOfTheFall'' as examples of movies that Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt, respectively, have been in. So naturally, most of the people in the audience were the kind of people who would watch films like ''DrivingMissDaisy'' and ''LegendsOfTheFall'', and not films like, well, ''{{Se7en}}''. Fincher said that after the movie got out, he was standing outside the theater, and three middle-aged women walked past him. As they did so, one said "Whoever made this movie should be shot."
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** More generally, though: it's been [[GrayRainOfDepression raining in the city]] for nearly a week and it's implied the city gets a lot of rain. At the climax of the movie, our heroes head out of the city into the immediate environs... which are a flat desert that behaves as though it hasn't seen rain in months[[hottip:*:which, conveniently, is the geography [[CaliforniaDoubling closest and cheapest to Los Angeles]]]]. [[YouFailGeographyForever Ooookay?]]

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** More generally, though: it's been [[GrayRainOfDepression raining in the city]] for nearly a week and it's implied the city gets a lot of rain. At the climax of the movie, our heroes head out of the city into the immediate environs... which are a flat desert that behaves as though it hasn't seen rain in months[[hottip:*:which, conveniently, is the geography [[CaliforniaDoubling closest and cheapest to Los Angeles]]]]. [[YouFailGeographyForever Ooookay?]]Right, then.]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: YourMileageMayVary, but let's face it, the film is ''absurdly'' dark.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: YourMileageMayVary, but let's face it, the film is ''absurdly'' dark.dark.
* FridgeLogic: Doe has an obsessive hatred against "sinners", a grandiose sense of self-worth, and is a perverted sexual sadist. This makes him more guilty of Wrath, Pride and Lust than the victims of those sins. But since he's clearly a nutjob, this is probably a literal case of InsaneTrollLogic.
** More generally, though: it's been [[GrayRainOfDepression raining in the city]] for nearly a week and it's implied the city gets a lot of rain. At the climax of the movie, our heroes head out of the city into the immediate environs... which are a flat desert that behaves as though it hasn't seen rain in months[[hottip:*:which, conveniently, is the geography [[CaliforniaDoubling closest and cheapest to Los Angeles]]]]. [[YouFailGeographyForever Ooookay?]]
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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The opening title sequence, which put Kyle Cooper (a dedicated title sequence director) on the map.

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* CrowningMomentOfAwesome: The opening title sequence, which put Kyle Cooper (a dedicated title sequence director) on the map.map.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: YourMileageMayVary, but let's face it, the film is ''absurdly'' dark.

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