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* RonTheDeathEater: Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well]] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallySympathetic instead, thanks to Jason's status as a KarmaHoudini.
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* RonTheDeathEater: RonTheDeathEater:
** Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well]] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallySympathetic instead, thanks to Jason's status as aKarmaHoudini.KarmaHoudini.
** Jason is also occasionally on the receiving end of this from writers and fans who would downplay his sympathetic qualities to make him far worse than he actually is (Grant Morrisson being a pretty well-known example). For the longest time, Jason as Robin was depicted as being more of a {{Jerkass}} than he actually was in order to make it seem like he was never worthy of being a Robin.
** Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well]] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallySympathetic instead, thanks to Jason's status as a
** Jason is also occasionally on the receiving end of this from writers and fans who would downplay his sympathetic qualities to make him far worse than he actually is (Grant Morrisson being a pretty well-known example). For the longest time, Jason as Robin was depicted as being more of a {{Jerkass}} than he actually was in order to make it seem like he was never worthy of being a Robin.
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* SelfFanservice: Fan artists ''love'' to draw him with a SkunkStripe in his hair despite only appearing in a few arcs and forgotten in the [=New 52=] era.
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* SelfFanservice: Fan artists ''love'' to draw him with a SkunkStripe in his hair despite it only appearing in a few arcs and haveing been forgotten in the [=New 52=] era.
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* FoeYay: Since New52, Jason is shipped with Deathstroke and Black Mask, since he ran against them more than once. The numbers of fanarts and fanfics are not exactly low.
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** Jason/Roy became this in the New 52 due to Jason supplanting Dick as Roy's best friend in ''Red Hood and the Outlaws''. They even co-starred in a comic together, called ''Red Hood/Arsenal'', which amped up the HoYay full-force.
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** Jason/Roy became this in the New 52 [=New 52=] due to Jason supplanting Dick as Roy's best friend in ''Red Hood and the Outlaws''. They even co-starred in a comic together, called ''Red Hood/Arsenal'', which amped up the HoYay full-force.
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* SelfFanservice: Fan artists ''love'' to draw him with a SkunkStripe in his hair despite only appearing in a few arcs and forgotten in the New 52 era.
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* SelfFanservice: Fan artists ''love'' to draw him with a SkunkStripe in his hair despite only appearing in a few arcs and forgotten in the New 52 [=New 52=] era.
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* MisaimedFandom:
** Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
** Jason has been written with a certain degree of awareness about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
** Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
** Jason has been written with a certain degree of awareness about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
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* MisaimedFandom:
**MisaimedFandom: Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
**people. Jason has been written with a [[LeaningOnTheFourthWall certain degree of awareness awareness]] about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
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* CantUnhearIt: Jensen Ackles is the ''definitive'' voice of Red Hood, thanks to his portrayal of him at ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'' to the point that fans are begging for him to be cast in future works. An alternate choice is Creator/TroyBaker thanks to ''Arkham Knight''.
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* CantUnhearIt: CantUnHearIt: Jensen Ackles is the ''definitive'' voice of Red Hood, thanks to his portrayal of him at ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'' to the point that fans are begging for him to be cast in future works. An alternate choice is Creator/TroyBaker Creator/TroyBaker, thanks to ''Arkham Knight''.''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight''.
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* HoHay: Since New52, Jason is shipped with Deathstroke and Black Mask, since he ran against them more than once. The numbers of fanarts and fanfics are not exactly low.
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* HoHay: FoeYay: Since New52, Jason is shipped with Deathstroke and Black Mask, since he ran against them more than once. The numbers of fanarts and fanfics are not exactly low.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well]] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic instead.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well]] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic instead.UnintentionallySympathetic instead, thanks to Jason's status as a KarmaHoudini.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** One of the biggest in Batman media, thanks to his ReplacementScrappy status to Dick Grayson, and the fact that he was deliberately written as insufferable by writers have him gain this status to the readers. Even after his resurrection, his inconsistent portrayals make fans wish that he was never brought back or at least stick to Winnick's interpretation. This has gotten worse ever since the New 52 began and the comics started portraying him in a more consistently sympathetic light with a closer (though still a bit strained) relationship with the Batfamily: Some like the idea of Jason getting some positive character development and healing from his trauma, others think that the new direction does nothing but make him a KarmaHoudini and a canon example of DracoInLeatherPants and a third group likes the concept but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot finds the execution rushed and forced more than anything.]]
* BrokenBase: Opinions have been very mixed since Flashpoint. Some think Jason has been written better than ever, while others think he has potential but find the vast majority of his stories to be subpar. And some just think he was more interesting dead.
** One of the biggest in Batman media, thanks to his ReplacementScrappy status to Dick Grayson, and the fact that he was deliberately written as insufferable by writers have him gain this status to the readers. Even after his resurrection, his inconsistent portrayals make fans wish that he was never brought back or at least stick to Winnick's interpretation. This has gotten worse ever since the New 52 began and the comics started portraying him in a more consistently sympathetic light with a closer (though still a bit strained) relationship with the Batfamily: Some like the idea of Jason getting some positive character development and healing from his trauma, others think that the new direction does nothing but make him a KarmaHoudini and a canon example of DracoInLeatherPants and a third group likes the concept but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot finds the execution rushed and forced more than anything.]]
* BrokenBase: Opinions have been very mixed since Flashpoint. Some think Jason has been written better than ever, while others think he has potential but find the vast majority of his stories to be subpar. And some just think he was more interesting dead.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
**BaseBreakingCharacter: One of the biggest in Batman media, thanks to his ReplacementScrappy status to Dick Grayson, and the fact that he was deliberately written as insufferable by writers have him gain this status to the readers. Even after his resurrection, his inconsistent portrayals make fans wish that he was never brought back or at least stick to Winnick's interpretation. This has gotten worse ever since the New 52 began and the comics started portraying him in a more consistently sympathetic light with a closer (though still a bit strained) relationship with the Batfamily: Some like the idea of Jason getting some positive character development and healing from his trauma, others think that the new direction does nothing but make him a KarmaHoudini and a canon example of DracoInLeatherPants and a third group likes the concept but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot finds the execution rushed and forced more than anything.]]
* BrokenBase: Opinions have been very mixed since Flashpoint. Some think Jason has been written better than ever, while others think he has potential butfind finds the vast majority of his stories to be subpar. And some just think he was more interesting dead.
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* BrokenBase: Opinions have been very mixed since Flashpoint. Some think Jason has been written better than ever, while others think he has potential but
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* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in ''Grant Morrison's Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. Understandable why [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
* ItWasHisSled: Jason dying and becoming the second Red Hood.
* ItWasHisSled: Jason dying and becoming the second Red Hood.
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* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in ''Grant Morrison's Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. Understandable It's understandable why [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg since as he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
* ItWasHisSled: Jason dying and becoming the second RedHood.Hood is pretty well known to all hardcore and casual comic fans. The movie ''WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood'' barely kept this a secret for long once it came out.
* ItWasHisSled: Jason dying and becoming the second Red
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** Hey, remember the time Jason became a tentacle monster? [[FanonDiscontinuity Neither do everyone...]]
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** Hey, remember the time Jason became a tentacle monster? [[FanonDiscontinuity Neither do everyone...does anyone else.]]
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* RonTheDeathEater: Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic instead.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well] well]] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic instead.
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* RonTheDeathEater: Batman often receives this treatment from the fanbase due to the strict code of morality that he imposes on Jason and his lack of trust. Sometimes, the writers [[RunningTheAsylum get into it as well] when writing from Jason's point of view, portraying Batman as a selfish {{Jerkass}}. Though at times, this gets {{Anvilicious}} to the point where Batman ends up coming off as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic instead.
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Unfortunate Implications require citations. Unintentionally Sympathetic doesn't apply, because Batman was intended to be unsympathetic in those examples.
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** Scott Lobdell's implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women.
* UnfortunateImplications:
** The Bat-Family's treatment of Jason ever since he died (i.e. as a cautionary tale of recklessness and disobedience), ''reeks'' of UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming as many fan fics having pointed out. That's a large part of why the character became UnintentionallySympathetic.
** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: See UnfortunateImplications above. The main reason why fans tend to sympathize with Jason more is because a lot of Bruce's treatment of him in the comics can be construed as emotional (and even physical) abuse -- such as the moment where Bruce dragged Jason to the place of his death to force him to relive the most traumatic moment of his life in order to figure out he was resurrected so he could bring back Damian. Combined with the increased awareness of such abuse in general in recent years, and while many fans acknowledge that Jason has committed many reprehensible crimes that he should face justice for, he can't actually be blamed for hating Bruce. If anything, Bruce has only given him more reasons to hate his father since he's come back from the dead.
* UnfortunateImplications:
** The Bat-Family's treatment of Jason ever since he died (i.e. as a cautionary tale of recklessness and disobedience), ''reeks'' of UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming as many fan fics having pointed out. That's a large part of why the character became UnintentionallySympathetic.
** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: See UnfortunateImplications above. The main reason why fans tend to sympathize with Jason more is because a lot of Bruce's treatment of him in the comics can be construed as emotional (and even physical) abuse -- such as the moment where Bruce dragged Jason to the place of his death to force him to relive the most traumatic moment of his life in order to figure out he was resurrected so he could bring back Damian. Combined with the increased awareness of such abuse in general in recent years, and while many fans acknowledge that Jason has committed many reprehensible crimes that he should face justice for, he can't actually be blamed for hating Bruce. If anything, Bruce has only given him more reasons to hate his father since he's come back from the dead.
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** Scott Lobdell's implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women.
* UnfortunateImplications:
** The Bat-Family's treatment of Jason ever since he died (i.e. as a cautionary tale of recklessness and disobedience), ''reeks'' of UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming as many fan fics having pointed out. That's a large part of why the character became UnintentionallySympathetic.
** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: See UnfortunateImplications above. The main reason why fans tend to sympathize with Jason more is because a lot of Bruce's treatment of him in the comics can be construed as emotional (and even physical) abuse -- such as the moment where Bruce dragged Jason to the place of his death to force him to relive the most traumatic moment of his life in order to figure out he was resurrected so he could bring back Damian. Combined with the increased awareness of such abuse in general in recent years, and while many fans acknowledge that Jason has committed many reprehensible crimes that he should face justice for, he can't actually be blamed for hating Bruce. If anything, Bruce has only given him more reasons to hate his father since he's come back from the dead.women.
* UnfortunateImplications:
** The Bat-Family's treatment of Jason ever since he died (i.e. as a cautionary tale of recklessness and disobedience), ''reeks'' of UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming as many fan fics having pointed out. That's a large part of why the character became UnintentionallySympathetic.
** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: See UnfortunateImplications above. The main reason why fans tend to sympathize with Jason more is because a lot of Bruce's treatment of him in the comics can be construed as emotional (and even physical) abuse -- such as the moment where Bruce dragged Jason to the place of his death to force him to relive the most traumatic moment of his life in order to figure out he was resurrected so he could bring back Damian. Combined with the increased awareness of such abuse in general in recent years, and while many fans acknowledge that Jason has committed many reprehensible crimes that he should face justice for, he can't actually be blamed for hating Bruce. If anything, Bruce has only given him more reasons to hate his father since he's come back from the dead.
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** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
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** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].climax]].
* UnintentionallySympathetic: See UnfortunateImplications above. The main reason why fans tend to sympathize with Jason more is because a lot of Bruce's treatment of him in the comics can be construed as emotional (and even physical) abuse -- such as the moment where Bruce dragged Jason to the place of his death to force him to relive the most traumatic moment of his life in order to figure out he was resurrected so he could bring back Damian. Combined with the increased awareness of such abuse in general in recent years, and while many fans acknowledge that Jason has committed many reprehensible crimes that he should face justice for, he can't actually be blamed for hating Bruce. If anything, Bruce has only given him more reasons to hate his father since he's come back from the dead.
* UnintentionallySympathetic: See UnfortunateImplications above. The main reason why fans tend to sympathize with Jason more is because a lot of Bruce's treatment of him in the comics can be construed as emotional (and even physical) abuse -- such as the moment where Bruce dragged Jason to the place of his death to force him to relive the most traumatic moment of his life in order to figure out he was resurrected so he could bring back Damian. Combined with the increased awareness of such abuse in general in recent years, and while many fans acknowledge that Jason has committed many reprehensible crimes that he should face justice for, he can't actually be blamed for hating Bruce. If anything, Bruce has only given him more reasons to hate his father since he's come back from the dead.
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** Scott Lobdell's implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women.
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** Scott Lobdell's implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women.women.
* UnfortunateImplications:
** The Bat-Family's treatment of Jason ever since he died (i.e. as a cautionary tale of recklessness and disobedience), ''reeks'' of UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming as many fan fics having pointed out. That's a large part of why the character became UnintentionallySympathetic.
** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
* UnfortunateImplications:
** The Bat-Family's treatment of Jason ever since he died (i.e. as a cautionary tale of recklessness and disobedience), ''reeks'' of UsefulNotes/VictimBlaming as many fan fics having pointed out. That's a large part of why the character became UnintentionallySympathetic.
** One of the most of divisive parts about the original "Under the Red Hood" storyline is "The Batarang" -- aka, the moment Bruce threw a Batarang at Jason's ''neck'' to stop him from killing the Joker, then left him behind in a burning building to save his son's murderer, and then ''justifying'' his decision by saying that what came back ''wasn't'' Jason. It debased Bruce's idea of rehabilitation and even made it look like Bruce preferred Jason dead instead of alive. One of the reasons why the animated adaptation of the storyline was better-received was because it made Bruce look less like an ass [[spoiler:and had him actually choose Jason in the climax]].
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** Since Rebirth, Jason Todd became less divisive over time and better received due being written more nuanced in ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'' Vol. 2.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatorsPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simply satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatorsPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simply satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
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** While he was able to recover from both, his next Dork Age in ''ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman'' is very derided as he was written as a deranged PsychopathicManchild as opposed to his MagnificentBastard personality.
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** While he His decade-long tenure under Creator/ScottLobdell was able to recover so hated that Lobdell's departure from both, his next Dork Age in ''ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman'' is very derided as he the title was written as a deranged PsychopathicManchild as opposed to his MagnificentBastard personality.met with widespread celebration.
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* {{Squick}}: Talia kissing Jason and having sex with him in ''Lost Days'' is this to a lot of readers considering the age gap, the parent-child dynamic that both share, the fact that Bruce is Jason's adopted father and who fans consider being Talia's love interest.
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* {{Squick}}: {{Squick}}:
** Talia kissing Jason and having sex with him in ''Lost Days'' is this to a lot of readers considering the age gap, the parent-child dynamic that both share, the fact that Bruce is Jason's adopted father and who fans consider being Talia's loveinterest.interest.
** Scott Lobdell's implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women.
** Talia kissing Jason and having sex with him in ''Lost Days'' is this to a lot of readers considering the age gap, the parent-child dynamic that both share, the fact that Bruce is Jason's adopted father and who fans consider being Talia's love
** Scott Lobdell's implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women.
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: One of the biggest in Batman media, thanks to his ReplacementScrappy status to Dick Grayson, and the fact that he was deliberately written as insufferable by writers have him gain this status to the readers. Even after his resurrection, his inconsistent portrayals make fans wish that he was never brought back or at least stick to Winnick's interpretation. This has gotten worse ever since the New 52 began and the comics started portraying him in a more consistently sympathetic light with a closer (though still a bit strained) relationship with the Batfamily: Some like the idea of Jason getting some positive character development and healing from his trauma, others think that the new direction does nothing but make him a KarmaHoudini and a canon example of DracoInLeatherPants and a third group likes the concept but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot finds the execution rushed and forced more than anything.]]
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: BaseBreakingCharacter:
** One of the biggest in Batman media, thanks to his ReplacementScrappy status to Dick Grayson, and the fact that he was deliberately written as insufferable by writers have him gain this status to the readers. Even after his resurrection, his inconsistent portrayals make fans wish that he was never brought back or at least stick to Winnick's interpretation. This has gotten worse ever since the New 52 began and the comics started portraying him in a more consistently sympathetic light with a closer (though still a bit strained) relationship with the Batfamily: Some like the idea of Jason getting some positive character development and healing from his trauma, others think that the new direction does nothing but make him a KarmaHoudini and a canon example of DracoInLeatherPants and a third group likes the concept but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot finds the execution rushed and forced more than anything.]]
** One of the biggest in Batman media, thanks to his ReplacementScrappy status to Dick Grayson, and the fact that he was deliberately written as insufferable by writers have him gain this status to the readers. Even after his resurrection, his inconsistent portrayals make fans wish that he was never brought back or at least stick to Winnick's interpretation. This has gotten worse ever since the New 52 began and the comics started portraying him in a more consistently sympathetic light with a closer (though still a bit strained) relationship with the Batfamily: Some like the idea of Jason getting some positive character development and healing from his trauma, others think that the new direction does nothing but make him a KarmaHoudini and a canon example of DracoInLeatherPants and a third group likes the concept but [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot finds the execution rushed and forced more than anything.]]
* FanPreferredCouple:
** Jason/Roy became this in the New 52 due to Jason supplanting Dick as Roy's best friend in ''Red Hood and the Outlaws''. They even co-starred in a comic together, called ''Red Hood/Arsenal'', which amped up the HoYay full-force.
** Jason/Artemis during the Rebirth run. Most fans prefer to ship Artemis with women, so the fact that this pairing managed to build a solid following is rather surprising.
** Jason/Rose thanks to ''Series/Titans2018''. As a result of that, the pairing saw increased ShipTease in the comics, particularly in ''ComicBook/DCeased: The Unkillables''.
** As far as Batcest shippers go, expect Jason to be paired with either Dick or Tim.
** Jason/Roy became this in the New 52 due to Jason supplanting Dick as Roy's best friend in ''Red Hood and the Outlaws''. They even co-starred in a comic together, called ''Red Hood/Arsenal'', which amped up the HoYay full-force.
** Jason/Artemis during the Rebirth run. Most fans prefer to ship Artemis with women, so the fact that this pairing managed to build a solid following is rather surprising.
** Jason/Rose thanks to ''Series/Titans2018''. As a result of that, the pairing saw increased ShipTease in the comics, particularly in ''ComicBook/DCeased: The Unkillables''.
** As far as Batcest shippers go, expect Jason to be paired with either Dick or Tim.
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* JerkassWoobie: Out of all the Robins, he has it the worst considering that he grew up on the streets, had his foster mother (drugs), his father (killed by Two-Face/[[Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws Penguin]]), his real mother (Joker), and his adopted father (Batman, really lost in time but he didn't know that) all die on him, had his real mother betray him to the Joker when he tried to help her, was brutally beaten and then blown up by the Joker, was resurrected without his memories and forced to dig his way out of his grave and live on the streets, was dunked in a Lazarus Pit to regain his memories, found out that his adopted father had failed to avenge his death, was "betrayed" again when Batman attacked him to stop him from killing the Joker.
* MisaimedFandom: Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
* MisaimedFandom: Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
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* JerkassWoobie: Out of all the Robins, he has it the worst considering that he grew up on the streets, had his foster mother (drugs), his father (killed by Two-Face/[[Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws Penguin]]), his real mother (Joker), and his adopted father (Batman, really lost in time but he didn't know that) all die on him, had his real mother betray him to the Joker when he tried to help her, was brutally beaten and then blown up by the Joker, was resurrected without his memories and forced to dig his way out of his grave and live on the streets, was dunked in a Lazarus Pit to regain his memories, found out that his adopted father had failed to avenge his death, was "betrayed" again when Batman attacked him to stop him from killing the Joker.
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*MisaimedFandom: LauncherOfAThousandShips: While not to the extent of Dick Grayson, his EstrogenBrigade means that Jason has quite a number of ships going for him.
* MisaimedFandom:
** Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
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* MisaimedFandom:
** Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
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* PeripheryDemographic: He has a large female fanbase thanks to being a DarkerAndEdgier PrettyBoy with daddy issues (and many others) and was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in his animated movie. Website/{{Tumblr}} apparently loves him.
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** He has a large female fanbase thanks to being a DarkerAndEdgier PrettyBoy with daddy issues (and many others) and was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in his animated movie. Website/{{Tumblr}} apparently loves him.
** He has a large female fanbase thanks to being a DarkerAndEdgier PrettyBoy with daddy issues (and many others) and was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in his animated movie. Website/{{Tumblr}} apparently loves him.
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** His appearance in ''Battle For The Cowl'' is regarded as one of his lowest moments by a lot of fans.[[note]]Contrary to popular belief, the story is not written by Grant Morrison, but rather Tony Daniel[[/note]]
** While he was able to recover from both, his next Dork Age as [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Gun!Bats]] is very derided as he was written as a deranged PsychopathicManchild as opposed to his MagnificentBastard personality.
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in ''Grant Morrison's Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg Kinda understandable why, since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
** While he was able to recover from both, his next Dork Age as [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Gun!Bats]] is very derided as he was written as a deranged PsychopathicManchild as opposed to his MagnificentBastard personality.
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in ''Grant Morrison's Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg Kinda understandable why, since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
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** His appearance in ''Battle For The Cowl'' as ''Gun!Bats'' is regarded as one of his lowest moments by a lot of fans.[[note]]Contrary to popular belief, the story is not written by Grant Morrison, but rather Tony Daniel[[/note]]
** While he was able to recover from both, his next Dork Ageas [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Gun!Bats]] in ''ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman'' is very derided as he was written as a deranged PsychopathicManchild as opposed to his MagnificentBastard personality.
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in ''Grant Morrison's Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. Understandable why [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg Kinda understandable why, jpg since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
** While he was able to recover from both, his next Dork Age
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in ''Grant Morrison's Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. Understandable why [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.
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* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatorsPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
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* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatorsPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple simply satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
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* CargoShip: Jason and crowbar for the morbidly curious. It’s even become a trope {{Inverse}} that Jason would always get beaten with a crowbar or use the crowbar against someone else. Not to mention he uses one as his main weapon in ''Outlaw''
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* CargoShip: Jason and crowbar for the morbidly curious. crowbar. It’s even become a trope {{Inverse}} RunningGag that Jason would always get beaten with a crowbar or use the crowbar against someone else. Not to mention he uses one as his main weapon in ''Outlaw''
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** Hey, remember the time Jason became a tentacle monster? [[FanonDiscontinuity Neither do everyone else...]]
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** Hey, remember the time Jason became a tentacle monster? [[FanonDiscontinuity Neither do everyone else...everyone...]]
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** For those who don't like Grant Morrison's portrayal of Jason, he has another one in ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman, as he became a SociopathicHero killing petty criminals while shamelessly promoting his evildoings on TV. Not to mention wearing a [[FashionVictimVillain pillhead helmet and costume that looks like its Frank Castle's pajamas and drawn so ugly]] his female fanbase cried foul and pretends he is still TallDarkAndHandsome until the reboot happened.
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in Grant Morrison's Batman, his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg Kinda understandable why, since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in Grant Morrison's Batman, his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg Kinda understandable why, since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
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** For those who don't like Grant Morrison's portrayal of Jason, While he has another one in ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman, was able to recover from both, his next Dork Age as [[ComicBook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Gun!Bats]] is very derided as he became was written as a SociopathicHero killing petty criminals while shamelessly promoting deranged PsychopathicManchild as opposed to his evildoings on TV. Not to mention wearing a [[FashionVictimVillain pillhead helmet and costume that looks like its Frank Castle's pajamas and drawn so ugly]] his female fanbase cried foul and pretends he is still TallDarkAndHandsome until the reboot happened.
MagnificentBastard personality.
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days inGrant ''Grant Morrison's Batman, Batman'', his "superhero" costume gets derided by fans. [[https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/14/142843/4593976-9444019049-11338.jpg Kinda understandable why, since he looks like a walking pill medicine.]]
* FashionVictimVillain: In his AntiVillain days in
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* MisaimedFandom: Much like with ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fail to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
** Interestingly, Jason has been written with a certain degree of awareness about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
* NeverLiveItDown: His death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker, which is both {{Inverse}} and to all comic fans. He's also got his general impulsive {{Jerkass}} demeanor that made him a solid [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] and is the very reason why he was killed
** Interestingly, Jason has been written with a certain degree of awareness about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
* NeverLiveItDown: His death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker, which is both {{Inverse}} and to all comic fans. He's also got his general impulsive {{Jerkass}} demeanor that made him a solid [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] and is the very reason why he was killed
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* MisaimedFandom: Much like with Like ComicBook/ThePunisher, there is a sizeable section of the fandom who fail fails to realize that Jason's inclination towards killing is a tragic outcome of terrible things he's suffered in his life and that his lethal methods often fail to stop crime, sometimes even escalating them. Rather, they just see him as the reason why Batman would be "cooler" if he killed people.
**Interestingly, Jason has been written with a certain degree of awareness about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
* NeverLiveItDown: His death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker, which is both {{Inverse}} and to all comic fans. He'salso got his general impulsive {{Jerkass}} demeanor that made him a solid [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] and is the very reason why he was killed
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* NeverLiveItDown: His death at the hands of ComicBook/TheJoker, which is both {{Inverse}} and to all comic fans. He's
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* PeripheryDemographic: He has quite a large female fanbase thanks to being a DarkerAndEdgier PrettyBoy with daddy issues (and many others) and was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in his animated movie. Website/{{Tumblr}} apparently loves him.
** Also has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearances in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' and ''VideoGame/Injustice2''.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After years of [[KilledOffForReal being dead]], His return as the Red Hood returned him to relevancy and gained him new fans. Although he seems to be rotating in and out of this and BaseBreakingCharacter after his resurrection since writers tend to write him differently and see what sticks.
** Also has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearances in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' and ''VideoGame/Injustice2''.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After years of [[KilledOffForReal being dead]], His return as the Red Hood returned him to relevancy and gained him new fans. Although he seems to be rotating in and out of this and BaseBreakingCharacter after his resurrection since writers tend to write him differently and see what sticks.
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* PeripheryDemographic: He has quite a large female fanbase thanks to being a DarkerAndEdgier PrettyBoy with daddy issues (and many others) and was voiced by Creator/JensenAckles in his animated movie. Website/{{Tumblr}} apparently loves him.
**Also He has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearances in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' and ''VideoGame/Injustice2''.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After years of [[KilledOffForReal being dead]],His his return as the Red Hood returned him to relevancy and gained him new fans. Although he seems to be He's been rotating in and out of this and BaseBreakingCharacter after his resurrection since writers tend to write him differently and see what sticks.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After years of [[KilledOffForReal being dead]],
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* SelfFanservice: Fan artists ''love'' to draw him with a SkunkStripe in his hair despite it only appearing in a few arcs and forgotten in the New 52 era.
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* SelfFanservice: Fan artists ''love'' to draw him with a SkunkStripe in his hair despite it only appearing in a few arcs and forgotten in the New 52 era.
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* {{Squick}}: Talia kissing Jason and having sex with him in ''Lost Days'' is this to a lot of readers, considering the age gap, the parent-child dynamic that both share, the fact that Bruce is Jason's adopted father and who fans consider being Talia's love interest.
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* {{Squick}}: Talia kissing Jason and having sex with him in ''Lost Days'' is this to a lot of readers, readers considering the age gap, the parent-child dynamic that both share, the fact that Bruce is Jason's adopted father and who fans consider being Talia's love interest.
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** Since Rebirth, JasonTodd became less divisive over time and better received due being written more nuanced in ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'' Vol. 2.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatersPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatersPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
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** Since Rebirth, JasonTodd Jason Todd became less divisive over time and better received due being written more nuanced in ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'' Vol. 2.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into aCreatersPet, CreatorsPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a
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he was very divisive in 52, but people hated more the changes made to the character not the character. He is fairly popular among comic fans. If anything Starfire was turned into a Scrappy.
** Since Rebirth, JasonTodd became less divisive over time and better received due being written more nuanced in ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'' Vol. 2.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatersPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
* BrokenBase: In the New 52 run of ''Red Hood and The Outlaws'', people hated most of the changes that were brought to Jason Todd and turning him into a CreatersPet, many defending rather than hating the character, against his new, but poorly developed backstory and giving the Joker so much control over him. Others were simple satisfied that at least he has his own solo run.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After years of [[KilledOffForReal being dead]], His return as the Red Hood returned him to relevancy and gained him new fans. Although he seems to be rotating in and out of this and TheScrappy after his resurrection since writers tend to write him differently and see what sticks.
* TheScrappy: Ever since the New 52, the comic version is often considered to be this, even in ''his own book'', often due to the CreatorsPet treatment he gets from Creator/ScottLobdell. Outside the comics he is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter.
** Before his resurrection in ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood Under The Red Hood]]'', Post-Crisis Jason Todd was hated by quite a few readers to the point that fans eventually voted for him [[ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily to be killed by the Joker]]. While an almost equal number of people voted to spare him (it is rumored that at least three hundred of the votes were from the same caller), a lot of people thought that the vote was for the first Robin, Dick Grayson, who was excessively popular amongst a lot of fans, and that's not a rumor.
* TheScrappy: Ever since the New 52, the comic version is often considered to be this, even in ''his own book'', often due to the CreatorsPet treatment he gets from Creator/ScottLobdell. Outside the comics he is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter.
** Before his resurrection in ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood Under The Red Hood]]'', Post-Crisis Jason Todd was hated by quite a few readers to the point that fans eventually voted for him [[ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily to be killed by the Joker]]. While an almost equal number of people voted to spare him (it is rumored that at least three hundred of the votes were from the same caller), a lot of people thought that the vote was for the first Robin, Dick Grayson, who was excessively popular amongst a lot of fans, and that's not a rumor.
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: After years of [[KilledOffForReal being dead]], His return as the Red Hood returned him to relevancy and gained him new fans. Although he seems to be rotating in and out of this and TheScrappy BaseBreakingCharacter after his resurrection since writers tend to write him differently and see what sticks.
* TheScrappy:Ever since the New 52, the comic version is often considered to be this, even in ''his own book'', often due to the CreatorsPet treatment he gets from Creator/ScottLobdell. Outside the comics he is more of a BaseBreakingCharacter.
**Before his resurrection in ''[[WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood Under The Red Hood]]'', Post-Crisis Jason Todd was hated by quite a few readers to the point that fans eventually voted for him [[ComicBook/ADeathInTheFamily to be killed by the Joker]]. While an almost equal number of people voted to spare him (it is rumored that at least three hundred of the votes were from the same caller), a lot of people thought that the vote was for the first Robin, Dick Grayson, who was excessively popular amongst a lot of fans, and that's not a rumor.
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* ItWasHisSled: Jason dying and becoming the second Red Hood.
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** For those who don't give him the DracoInLeatherPants treatment, Grant Morrison was the last writer to do justice with Jason.
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* SignatureSeriesArc: He has two: '' A Death in the Family'' which helped launch the Batman comics into the UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks while has a lasting impression in the Batman mythos, and ''Under The Red Hood'' for defining his new characterization as the AntiVillain Red Hood, while becoming one of the most acclaimed Batman stories.
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* SignatureSeriesArc: He has two: '' A Death in the Family'' Family'', which helped launch tells the Batman comics into the UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks while has a lasting impression in the Batman mythos, story of his tragic death, and ''Under The Red Hood'' for defining his new characterization re-inventing him as a villain/anti-hero. Both stories are used as the AntiVillain Red Hood, while becoming one of the most acclaimed Batman stories.main templates for adaptations and spinoffs.
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** Also has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearances in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkham Knight'' and ''VideoGame/Injustice2''.
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** Also has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearances in ''VideoGame/BatmanArkham Knight'' ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'' and ''VideoGame/Injustice2''.
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Not true. Winick continues to be the most-associated creator.
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** Scott Lobdell's take has informed most of Jason's adaptations and fanworks during the 2010s decade.
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** EnsembleDarkhorse: Curiously, he's only polarizing amidst long time comic book fans, he's incredibly popular amidst casual comic book fans and those who know him through other media like animated works or videogames. The best example of this is when Jason [[https://twitter.com/TheDCUniverse/status/1234644797383561217 won]] in March 2020 the ''Sexiest Man of the DCU'' poll ran by {{Creator/DC}} streaming service, DC Universe.
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** Also has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearance in ''Arkham Knight'' and his somewhat EnsembleDarkhorse status in VideoGame/Injustice2
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** Also has a following in the Video Game fandom thanks to his appearance appearances in ''Arkham ''VideoGame/BatmanArkham Knight'' and his somewhat EnsembleDarkhorse status in VideoGame/Injustice2''VideoGame/Injustice2''.
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* TheScrappy: Ever since the New 52, the comic version is often considered to be this, even in ''his own book'', often due to the CreatorsPet treatment he gets from Creator/ScottLobdell. Averted outside the comics where he is incredibly popular and demanded in media at best and a BaseBreakingCharacter at worst.
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* TheScrappy: Ever since the New 52, the comic version is often considered to be this, even in ''his own book'', often due to the CreatorsPet treatment he gets from Creator/ScottLobdell. Averted outside Outside the comics where he is incredibly popular and demanded in media at best and more of a BaseBreakingCharacter at worst.BaseBreakingCharacter.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Jason has brutally killed criminals and yet he had garnered a lot of fans willing to overlook his past transgressions and even justifying his actions as if he is only killing criminals who deserve it. Never mind that he has threatened to bomb innocents, attempted to kill Bruce, Dick, Tim, and Damian many times, and even tried to replace Bruce as Gun-toting Batman in [[Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Battle for the cowl]]. Even though the New 52 erased his most heinous acts, Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws confirms he ''still'' tried to kill Bruce, Dick, and Tim at different points in the past; he's shown to be EasilyForgiven by them.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Jason has brutally killed criminals and yet he had garnered a lot of fans willing to overlook his past transgressions and even justifying his actions as if he is only killing criminals who deserve it. Never mind that he has threatened to bomb innocents, attempted to kill Bruce, Dick, Tim, and Damian many times, and even tried to replace Bruce as Gun-toting Batman in [[Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Battle for the cowl]]. Even though the New 52 erased his most heinous acts, Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws confirms he ''still'' tried to kill Bruce, Dick, and Tim at different points in the past; he's shown to be EasilyForgiven by them.
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** James Tynion IV's run with erratic characterizations for the Outlaws, MarySue original villains and completely nonsensical additions to the canon that completely disregard Lobdell's build-up for the Untitled and the All-Caste concepts, is generally considered as one of Jason's lowest points. Unsurprisingly, after coming back, Lobdell has retconned all of it over the course of the years.
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** James Tynion IV's run with erratic characterizations for the Outlaws, MarySue original villains and completely nonsensical additions to the canon that completely disregard Lobdell's build-up for the Untitled and the All-Caste concepts, is generally considered as one of Jason's lowest points. Unsurprisingly, after coming back, Lobdell has retconned all of it over the course of the years.
** Interestingly, Jason has been written with a certain degree of awareness about the flaws of this ideology during both volumes of RHATO and Red Hood/Arsenal.
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* MyRealDaddy: Although Jason "the dead Robin" Todd was created by Gerry Conway, Judd Winick set his status quo as the Red Hood and defined his character for the new millennium, including adaptations.
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* MyRealDaddy: Although Jason "the dead Robin" Todd was created by Gerry Conway, Judd Winick set his status quo as the Red Hood and defined his character for the new millennium, including adaptations.adaptations.
** Scott Lobdell's take has informed most of Jason's adaptations and fanworks during the 2010s decade.
** Scott Lobdell's take has informed most of Jason's adaptations and fanworks during the 2010s decade.
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** EnsembleDarkhorse: Curiously, he's only polarizing amidst long time comic book fans, he's incredibly popular amidst casual comic book fans and those who know him through other media like animated works or videogames. The best example of this is when Jason [[https://twitter.com/TheDCUniverse/status/1234644797383561217 won]] in March 2020 the ''Sexiest Man of the DCU'' poll ran by {{Creator/DC}} streaming service DC Universe.
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** EnsembleDarkhorse: Curiously, he's only polarizing amidst long time comic book fans, he's incredibly popular amidst casual comic book fans and those who know him through other media like animated works or videogames. The best example of this is when Jason [[https://twitter.com/TheDCUniverse/status/1234644797383561217 won]] in March 2020 the ''Sexiest Man of the DCU'' poll ran by {{Creator/DC}} streaming service service, DC Universe.
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** EnsembleDarkhorse: Curiously, he's only polarizing amidst long time comic book fans, he's incredibly popular amidst casual comic book fans and those who know him through other media like animated works or videogames. The best example of this is when Jason [[https://twitter.com/TheDCUniverse/status/1234644797383561217 won]] in March 2020 the ''Sexiest Man of the DCU'' poll ran by {{Creator/DC}} streaming service DC Universe.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Jason has brutally killed criminals and yet he had garnered a lot of fans willing to overlook his past transgressions and even justifying his actions as if he is only killing criminals who deserve it. Never mind that he has threatened to bomb innocents, attempted to kill Bruce, Dick, Tim and Damian many times, and even tried to replace Bruce as Gun-toting Batman in [[Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Battle for the cowl]]. Even though the New 52 erased his most heinous acts, Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws confirms he ''still'' tried to kill Bruce, Dick, and Tim at different points in the past; he's shown to be EasilyForgiven by them.
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Jason has brutally killed criminals and yet he had garnered a lot of fans willing to overlook his past transgressions and even justifying his actions as if he is only killing criminals who deserve it. Never mind that he has threatened to bomb innocents, attempted to kill Bruce, Dick, Tim Tim, and Damian many times, and even tried to replace Bruce as Gun-toting Batman in [[Comicbook/GrantMorrisonsBatman Battle for the cowl]]. Even though the New 52 erased his most heinous acts, Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws confirms he ''still'' tried to kill Bruce, Dick, and Tim at different points in the past; he's shown to be EasilyForgiven by them.