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* HoYay:
** Boyd and Ives get a lot of it. The way Ives describes the HorrorHunger they share has a lot of sexual undertones to it, especially when Boyd cuts his hand and he tries to entice Boyd with its smell, which is very reminicient of him talking dirty to Boyd in order to arouse him. Then there's their final confrontation which is ''loaded'' with innuendo (note that they both attack each other with ''thrusting'' weapons amidst each other's heavy grunting and moaning) and they [[spoiler:both die embracing each other after being caught in Boyd's BearTrap in a way reminiscent of a post-coitus cuddle]].
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HoYay: Boyd and Ives get a lot of it. The way Ives describes the HorrorHunger they share has a lot of sexual undertones to it, especially when Boyd cuts his hand and he tries to entice Boyd with its smell, which is very reminicient of him talking dirty to Boyd in order to arouse him. Then there's their final confrontation which is ''loaded'' with innuendo (note that they both attack each other with ''thrusting'' weapons amidst each other's heavy grunting and moaning) and they [[spoiler:both die embracing each other after being caught in Boyd's BearTrap in a way reminiscent of a post-coitus cuddle]].
%% ** To a lesser extent, Reich towards Toffler.
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The description was of Vindicated By History, which this film is (sadly) not.


* CultClassic: While it came and went during its initial release, it eventually found much greater appreciation in the decades to come as audiences began to take more notice of the [[RuleOfSymbolism plentiful subtext and symbolism the film contains]], and it's highly regarded by those who have actually seen it.

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* CultClassic: While it came and went during its initial release, it eventually found much greater appreciation in its own niche and highly dedicated audience once released on home media and continues to have the following decades to come as audiences began to take more notice of the [[RuleOfSymbolism plentiful subtext and symbolism the film contains]], and it's highly regarded by those who have actually seen it.later.
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* CultClassic: While it came and went during its initial release, it eventually found much greater appreciation in the decades to come as audiences began to take more notice of the [[RuleOfSymbolism plentiful subtext and symbolism the film contains]], and it's highly regarded by those who have actually seen it.
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---> '''Colqhoun:''' When I stepped inside that cave... [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty the smell of meat cooking...]] [[DespairEventHorizon I thanked the lord.]]

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---> '''Colqhoun:''' When I stepped inside that cave... [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty the smell of meat cooking...]] [[DespairEventHorizon I thanked the lord.Lord.]]
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* SpecialEffectFailure: When the party is heading to the cave, there's a shot of them walking through the woods, where Colqhoun slips on a patch of snow. The patch then lifts off the ground and slides a few inches, as it's actually a swatch of cotton. This effect is only really used for wide or fleeting shots, though, and every other shot with characters walking through the snow has much more realistic effects.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: When the party is heading to the cave, there's a shot of them walking through the woods, where Colqhoun slips on a patch of snow. The patch then lifts off the ground and slides a few inches, as it's actually a swatch of cotton. This effect is only really used for wide or fleeting shots, though, and every other shot with characters walking through the snow has much more realistic effects.effects.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Hart saying "Well, isn't this civilized?" as he and Ives chow down on the stew made out of Major Knox while Boyd is bleeding out and losing consciousness, his nose dripping blood and his eyes crossed. It's one of the darkest scenes in the film (especially [[JoinOrDie what happens almost immediately after]]), but the levity cuts the tension like a well-placed lawn dart and becomes darkly hilarious.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice:
** Blood pours down the screen, people do despicable things, yet one can't help but think, "why is this so damn funny?" The secret's in the score. It is particularly prominent in the scene where [[spoiler: Ives is chasing down Toffler to slaughter and eat him]], but the background music is an incredibly silly banjo track ''with yodeling''.
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Hart saying "Well, isn't this civilized?" as he [[spoiler: and Ives chow down on the stew made out of Major Knox while Boyd is bleeding out and losing consciousness, his nose dripping blood and his eyes crossed.crossed]]. It's one of the darkest scenes in the film (especially [[JoinOrDie what happens almost immediately after]]), but the levity cuts the tension like a well-placed lawn dart and becomes darkly hilarious.



** Ives steals a gun and tries to shoot Toffler with it... only for him to realize it was out of ammo.
---> '''Ives:''' That is ''sooooo'' annoying. (Places his coat on the dying [[spoiler:Col. Hart]]) Run. (Cue goofy banjo music)

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** [[spoiler: Ives steals a gun and and]] tries to shoot Toffler with it... only for him the gun to realize it was out of ammo.
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---> '''Ives:''' '''[[spoiler: Ives]]:''' That is ''sooooo'' annoying. (Places his coat on the dying [[spoiler:Col. Hart]]) Run. (Cue goofy banjo music)

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* {{Adorkable}}:
** Colonel Hart is a nebbish, awkward bookworm who seems totally unfit for military command, but his shy geekiness really stands out in the film, especially among his more Jacksonian comrades.
** Private Toffler is a little weird and quirky, to be sure, but he's also friendly and enthusiastic as well as passionate about his work, making the viewer hope nothing bad happens to him.



* CrossesTheLineTwice:
** Blood pours down the screen, people do despicable things, yet one can't help but think, "why is this so damn funny?" The secret's in the score.
** "White man eats the body of Jesus Christ every Sunday."

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* CrossesTheLineTwice:
** Blood pours
CrossesTheLineTwice: Hart saying "Well, isn't this civilized?" as he and Ives chow down on the screen, people do despicable things, yet stew made out of Major Knox while Boyd is bleeding out and losing consciousness, his nose dripping blood and his eyes crossed. It's one can't help but think, "why is this so damn funny?" The secret's of the darkest scenes in the score.
** "White man eats
film (especially [[JoinOrDie what happens almost immediately after]]), but the body of Jesus Christ every Sunday."levity cuts the tension like a well-placed lawn dart and becomes darkly hilarious.



** Colonel Hart, a NiceGuy and DeadpanSnarker who gets one of the most compelling arcs and is played by one of the films better-known actors.
** The gung-ho Private Reich.

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** Colonel Hart, a NiceGuy and DeadpanSnarker who gets one of the most compelling arcs and is played by one of the films film's better-known actors.
** The gung-ho Private Reich.Reich, who despite being a SociopathicSoldier genuinely tries very hard to stop Ives after he [[spoiler:kills Toffler and George]] and might have succeeded were it not for Boyd's sluggishness on the draw.
* DiagnosedByTheAudience: Many have pointed out that Toffler seems to be either neurodivergent-coded or is supposed to be actually neurodivergent, leading many to suggest that he's somewhere on the autism spectrum due to his weird, stilted behavior and hyperfixation on religion.

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Even if Andrew's video wasn't deliberately full of wild hypotheticals, that would be Homoerotic Subtext


** Boyd and Ives got a lot of it, especially since there's no other love interest in sight. [[spoiler: And they end up dying lying on top of each other in a forced embrace...yowza.]]
** To a lesser extent, Reich towards Toffler.
** Some would say the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijj1TfkQESk whole movie]] is queer allegory.

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** Boyd and Ives got get a lot of it. The way Ives describes the HorrorHunger they share has a lot of sexual undertones to it, especially since when Boyd cuts his hand and he tries to entice Boyd with its smell, which is very reminicient of him talking dirty to Boyd in order to arouse him. Then there's no other love interest in sight. [[spoiler: And their final confrontation which is ''loaded'' with innuendo (note that they end up dying lying on top of both attack each other with ''thrusting'' weapons amidst each other's heavy grunting and moaning) and they [[spoiler:both die embracing each other after being caught in Boyd's BearTrap in a forced embrace...yowza.]]
way reminiscent of a post-coitus cuddle]].
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** To a lesser extent, Reich towards Toffler.
** Some would say the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijj1TfkQESk whole movie]] is queer allegory.
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** Some would say the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ijj1TfkQESk whole movie]] is queer allegory.
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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Michael Nyman's score, particularly when Boyd and Reich are chasing Colqhoun/Ives through the woods. The track title on the CD is literally "Let's Go Kill That Bastard."

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* SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: [[{{Music/Blur}} Damon]] [[{{Music/Gorillaz}} Albarn]] and Michael Nyman's score, particularly when Boyd and Reich are chasing Colqhoun/Ives through the woods. The track title on the CD is literally "Let's Go Kill That Bastard."

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Blood pours down the screen, people do despicable things, yet one can't help but think, "why is this so damn funny?" The secret's in the score.

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: CrossesTheLineTwice:
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Blood pours down the screen, people do despicable things, yet one can't help but think, "why is this so damn funny?" The secret's in the score.



* FauxSymbolism: Theres a lot of Christ references surrounding Ives which don't make a lot of sense and not even the director or the actor can satisfactorily explain. For example:

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* FauxSymbolism: FauxSymbolism:
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Theres a lot of Christ references surrounding Ives which don't make a lot of sense and not even the director or the actor can satisfactorily explain. For example:



* HoYay: Boyd and Ives got a lot of it, especially since there's no other love interest in sight. [[spoiler: And they end up dying lying on top of each other in a forced embrace...yowza.]]

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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Boyd and Ives got a lot of it, especially since there's no other love interest in sight. [[spoiler: And they end up dying lying on top of each other in a forced embrace...yowza.]]
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** Doubles as FoeYay
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--> '''Ives:''' That is ''sooooo'' annoying. (Places his coat on the dying [[spoiler:Col. Hart]]) Run. (Cue goofy banjo music)

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--> ---> '''Ives:''' That is ''sooooo'' annoying. (Places his coat on the dying [[spoiler:Col. Hart]]) Run. (Cue goofy banjo music)



--> '''Colqhoun:''' When I stepped inside that cave... [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty the smell of meat cooking...]] [[DespairEventHorizon I thanked the lord.]]

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--> ---> '''Colqhoun:''' When I stepped inside that cave... [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty the smell of meat cooking...]] [[DespairEventHorizon I thanked the lord.]]



--> '''Ives:''' (stepping towards Toffler with a knife) '''''Run.'''''

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** Ives spends the climax with the sign of the cross made in blood on his forehead for no reason and with no explanation. If anything, it symbolises exactly the opposite of what Ives would like to say about himself; A visible cross on the forehead evokes Ash Wednesday, when the sign reminds the bearer that they are made from dust and will die.
*** FridgeBrilliance: Ives [[AGodAmI sees himself as a god]]. His attempts to found a cannibal colony that he leads can be analogous to Christ gathering his disciples.

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** Ives spends the climax with the sign of the cross made in blood on his forehead for no reason and with no explanation. If anything, it symbolises exactly the opposite of what Ives would like to say about himself; A visible cross on the forehead evokes Ash Wednesday, when the sign reminds the bearer that they are made from dust and will die. \n*** FridgeBrilliance: One possible explanation is that Ives [[AGodAmI sees himself as a god]]. His god]], and his attempts to found a cannibal colony that he leads can be analogous to Christ gathering his disciples.
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* NightmareFuel: As funny as the film is, it ''is'' a horror movie at heart:
** Colqhoun's story, which, [[NothingIsScarier with minimal visuals and mostly consisting of dialogue]], manages to be one of the most chilling in the film.
--> '''Colqhoun:''' When I stepped inside that cave... [[NoPartyLikeADonnerParty the smell of meat cooking...]] [[DespairEventHorizon I thanked the lord.]]
*** Even worse considering it was all a [[TheReveal a ploy to get sympathy in order to bring more victims to Ives']] CannibalLarder.
** [[MoodWhiplash Sudden shift into hilarious banjo music chase scene notwithstanding]], Ives' [[MadEye insane look as he starts towards the rest of the party]] and his subsequent massacre of them all with no remorse. Then...
--> '''Ives:''' (stepping towards Toffler with a knife) '''''Run.'''''
** Toffler's [[{{Gorn}} demise, his chest torn open, exposing his ribs.]] [[{{Squick}} Yeesh.]]
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** Colonel Hart, a NiceGuy and DeadpanSnarker who gets one of the most compelling arcs and is playedd by one of the films better-known actors.

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** Colonel Hart, a NiceGuy and DeadpanSnarker who gets one of the most compelling arcs and is playedd played by one of the films better-known actors.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Colonel Hart, a NiceGuy and DeadpanSnarker who gets one of the most compelling arcs and is playedd by one of the films better-known actors.
** The gung-ho Private Reich.
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* MagnificentBastard: Ives, again. It's hard not to love the guy.

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** To a lesser extent, Reich towards Toffler

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** To a lesser extent, Reich towards TofflerToffler.
* JerkassWoobie: Boyd is a DirtyCoward, but his blatant PTSD, the suffering he goes through throughout the film, and how everyone in the camp with the exception of Col. Hart hates him, it’s hard not to feel bad for him.
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--> '''Ives:''' That was annoying.

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--> '''Ives:''' That was annoying.is ''sooooo'' annoying. (Places his coat on the dying [[spoiler:Col. Hart]]) Run. (Cue goofy banjo music)
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* FunnyMoments:
** '''HE WAS''' '''''LIIIIICKING''''' '''ME!'''
** Ives steals a gun and tries to shoot Toffler with it... only for him to realize it was out of ammo.
--> '''Ives:''' That was annoying.
** Ives corners Boyd on a cliff, and Boyd, rather than fight Ives, jumps off the cliff. Ives' response is one of sheer bewilderment.
** Half of everything Col. Hart says is hilarious, thanks to him being a DeadpanSnarker par excellence.
** Our introduction to Cleaves and Reich.
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* CompleteMonster: Colonel Ives is a [[IAmAHumanitarian cannibalistic]] soldier who learns of the {{Wendigo}} myth and decides to try it because he's dying and has nothing to lose. The myth was true; Ives is cured of his tuberculosis and depression. He takes a wagon train into the mountains and leads it astray so he can slaughter and eat everyone else. To kick off the main plot, he assumes the identity of "Reverend Colqhoun" and lures more soldiers to the spot so he can eat them too, {{sadist}}ically chasing one terrified man down before gutting him with a knife. When he returns to the fort, having killed everyone who could recognize him except for Captain John Boyd, Ives plans to encourage Boyd down his (already started) path to cannibalism and therefore have someone to help him get away with killing people. Revealing his intent to create a cannibal ruling class with [[DarkMessiah himself at the top as a messianic figure]], Ives is a representation of the predatory evils of UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny and the savagery in human nature.

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* CompleteMonster: Colonel [[spoiler:Colonel Ives is a [[IAmAHumanitarian cannibalistic]] soldier who learns of the {{Wendigo}} myth and decides to try it because he's dying and has nothing to lose. The myth was true; Ives is cured of his tuberculosis and depression. He takes a wagon train into the mountains and leads it astray so he can slaughter and eat everyone else. To kick off the main plot, he assumes the identity of "Reverend Colqhoun" and lures more soldiers to the spot so he can eat them too, {{sadist}}ically chasing one terrified man down before gutting him with a knife. When he returns to the fort, having killed everyone who could recognize him except for Captain John Boyd, Ives plans to encourage Boyd down his (already started) path to cannibalism and therefore have someone to help him get away with killing people. Revealing his intent to create a cannibal ruling class with [[DarkMessiah himself at the top as a messianic figure]], Ives is a representation of the predatory evils of UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny and the savagery in human nature. ]]
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* AwesomeMusic: Michael Nyman's score, particularly when Boyd and Reich are chasing Colqhoun/Ives through the woods. The track title on the CD is literally "Let's Go Kill That Bastard."

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* AwesomeMusic: SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic: Michael Nyman's score, particularly when Boyd and Reich are chasing Colqhoun/Ives through the woods. The track title on the CD is literally "Let's Go Kill That Bastard."
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* CompleteMonster: Colonel Ives is a [[IAmAHumanitarian cannibalistic]] soldier who learns of the {{Wendigo}} myth and decides to try it because he's dying and has nothing to lose. The myth was true; Ives is cured of his tuberculosis and depression. He takes a wagon train into the mountains and leads it astray so he can slaughter and eat everyone else. To kick off the main plot, he assumes the identity of "Reverend Colqhoun" and lures more soldiers to the spot so he can eat them too, {{sadist}}ically chasing one terrified man down before gutting him with a knife. When he returns to the fort, having killed everyone who could recognize him except for [[TheHero Captain John Boyd]], Ives plans to encourage Boyd down his (already started) path to cannibalism and therefore have someone to help him get away with killing people. Revealing his intent to create a cannibal ruling class with [[DarkMessiah himself at the top as a messianic figure]], Ives is a representation of the predatory evils of UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny and the savagery in human nature.

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* CompleteMonster: Colonel Ives is a [[IAmAHumanitarian cannibalistic]] soldier who learns of the {{Wendigo}} myth and decides to try it because he's dying and has nothing to lose. The myth was true; Ives is cured of his tuberculosis and depression. He takes a wagon train into the mountains and leads it astray so he can slaughter and eat everyone else. To kick off the main plot, he assumes the identity of "Reverend Colqhoun" and lures more soldiers to the spot so he can eat them too, {{sadist}}ically chasing one terrified man down before gutting him with a knife. When he returns to the fort, having killed everyone who could recognize him except for [[TheHero Captain John Boyd]], Boyd, Ives plans to encourage Boyd down his (already started) path to cannibalism and therefore have someone to help him get away with killing people. Revealing his intent to create a cannibal ruling class with [[DarkMessiah himself at the top as a messianic figure]], Ives is a representation of the predatory evils of UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny and the savagery in human nature.



*** FridgeBrilliance: [[AGodAmI Ives sees himself as a god]]. His attempts to found a cannibal colony that he leads can be analogous to Christ gathering his disciples.

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*** FridgeBrilliance: Ives [[AGodAmI Ives sees himself as a god]]. His attempts to found a cannibal colony that he leads can be analogous to Christ gathering his disciples.
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* AwesomeMusic: Michael Nyman's score, particularly when Boyd and Reich are chasing Colqhoun/Ives through the woods. The track title on the CD is literally "Let's Go Kill That Bastard."
* CompleteMonster: Colonel Ives is a [[IAmAHumanitarian cannibalistic]] soldier who learns of the {{Wendigo}} myth and decides to try it because he's dying and has nothing to lose. The myth was true; Ives is cured of his tuberculosis and depression. He takes a wagon train into the mountains and leads it astray so he can slaughter and eat everyone else. To kick off the main plot, he assumes the identity of "Reverend Colqhoun" and lures more soldiers to the spot so he can eat them too, {{sadist}}ically chasing one terrified man down before gutting him with a knife. When he returns to the fort, having killed everyone who could recognize him except for [[TheHero Captain John Boyd]], Ives plans to encourage Boyd down his (already started) path to cannibalism and therefore have someone to help him get away with killing people. Revealing his intent to create a cannibal ruling class with [[DarkMessiah himself at the top as a messianic figure]], Ives is a representation of the predatory evils of UsefulNotes/ManifestDestiny and the savagery in human nature.
* CriticalDissonance: Audiences (the few who actually saw it when it came out) generally rated the film higher than critics did. Roger Ebert was a notable exception among critics for giving the film a mostly positive review.
* CrossesTheLineTwice: Blood pours down the screen, people do despicable things, yet one can't help but think, "why is this so damn funny?" The secret's in the score.
** "White man eats the body of Jesus Christ every Sunday."
* FauxSymbolism: Theres a lot of Christ references surrounding Ives which don't make a lot of sense and not even the director or the actor can satisfactorily explain. For example:
** One of the {{Magical Native American}}s makes a tenuous connection made between cannibalism and communion when asked about the Wendigo myth; inferring that both their cultures see consuming human flesh as a means of gaining strength/health/life, but the "savages" are the ones who see it as a curse as opposed to a blessing.
--->White man eats the body of Jesus Christ every Sunday.
** Ives spends the climax with the sign of the cross made in blood on his forehead for no reason and with no explanation. If anything, it symbolises exactly the opposite of what Ives would like to say about himself; A visible cross on the forehead evokes Ash Wednesday, when the sign reminds the bearer that they are made from dust and will die.
*** FridgeBrilliance: [[AGodAmI Ives sees himself as a god]]. His attempts to found a cannibal colony that he leads can be analogous to Christ gathering his disciples.
* HoYay: Boyd and Ives got a lot of it, especially since there's no other love interest in sight. [[spoiler: And they end up dying lying on top of each other in a forced embrace...yowza.]]
** Doubles as FoeYay
** To a lesser extent, Reich towards Toffler
* MagnificentBastard: Ives, again. It's hard not to love the guy.
* SpecialEffectFailure: When the party is heading to the cave, there's a shot of them walking through the woods, where Colqhoun slips on a patch of snow. The patch then lifts off the ground and slides a few inches, as it's actually a swatch of cotton. This effect is only really used for wide or fleeting shots, though, and every other shot with characters walking through the snow has much more realistic effects.

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