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* Squick: To some viewers, the song "Oh My Mysterious Lady," which has Captain Hook pursuing a "lady" that's actually Peter DisguisedInDrag. It's PlayedForLaughs, similar to [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Bugs Bunny's]] crossdressing to trick Elmer Fudd, and made even funnier by the fact that [[CrossCastRole Peter is played by a woman]], but the fact remains that Hook is unwittingly flirting with a child.

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* Squick: {{Squick}}: To some viewers, the song "Oh My Mysterious Lady," which has Captain Hook pursuing a "lady" that's actually Peter DisguisedInDrag. It's PlayedForLaughs, similar to [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Bugs Bunny's]] crossdressing to trick Elmer Fudd, and made even funnier by the fact that [[CrossCastRole Peter is played by a woman]], but the fact remains that Hook is unwittingly flirting with a child.
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* Squick: To some viewers, the song "Oh My Mysterious Lady," which has Captain Hook pursuing a "lady" that's actually Peter DisguisedInDrag. It's PlayedForLaughs, similar to [[WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Bugs Bunny's]] crossdressing to trick Elmer Fudd, and made even funnier by the fact that [[CrossCastRole Peter is played by a woman]], but the fact remains that Hook is unwittingly flirting with a child.

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* QuestionableCasting:
** Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. His makeup for the actual production didn't help much either.
** Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy. WebVideo/MusicalHell adds that her performance is "too sophisticated and introspective" for someone that's supposed to be "thoughtless, arrogant, and self-centered".
** Many of the same people who disagree with Walken being cast as Hook are in agreement that Creator/ChristianBorle would have been a much better choice, both because he was already playing Mr. Darling, a role typically double-cast with Hook, and he was already a Tony Award winner with much more experience in live theatre. Not to mention that the aforementioned Tony Award was for ''[[Theatre/PeterAndTheStarcatcher playing (a younger version of) Captain Hook.]]''



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** Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. His makeup for the actual production didn't help much either.
** Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy. WebVideo/MusicalHell adds that her performance is "too sophisticated and introspective" for someone that's supposed to be "thoughtless, arrogant, and self-centered".
** Many of the same people who disagree with Walken being cast as Hook are in agreement that Creator/ChristianBorle would have been a much better choice, both because he was already playing Mr. Darling, a role typically double-cast with Hook, and he was already a Tony Award winner with much more experience in live theatre. Not to mention that the aforementioned Tony Award was for ''[[Theatre/PeterAndTheStarcatcher playing (a younger version of) Captain Hook.]]''
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** Additionally, look up videos of this show on YouTube and you'll find several people saying they're only there for Creator/ChristianBorle.

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** Additionally, look up videos of this show on YouTube Website/YouTube and you'll find several people saying they're only there for Creator/ChristianBorle.
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** On a lesser scale, fans are also liked Christian Borle's ''arms'' as Smee.

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** On a lesser scale, fans are also liked like Christian Borle's ''arms'' ''well-built arms'' as Smee.
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** Peter could also be interpreted as transgender, in that he was assigned female at birth but doesn't want to grow into a woman -- which would not only mean his body would develop in an unwanted way, but also, given the play takes place in Edwardian England, that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being forced to marry and have children, essentially becoming someone else's property. Hence why he fled to Never Land: to remain comfortable in his own skin and free to do whatever he wants.

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** Peter could also be interpreted as transgender, in that he was assigned female at birth but doesn't want to grow into a woman -- which would not only mean his body would develop in an unwanted way, but also, given the play takes place in Edwardian England, that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being forced having to marry and have children, essentially becoming someone else's property. Hence why he fled to Never Land: to remain comfortable in his own skin and free to do whatever he wants.
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** Peter could also be interpreted as transgender, in that he was assigned female at birth but doesn't want to grow into a woman -- which would not only mean his body would develop in an unwanted way, but also, given the play takes place in Edwardian England, that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being married off and becoming someone else's property. Hence why he fled to Never Land: to remain comfortable in his own skin and free to do whatever he wants.

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** Peter could also be interpreted as transgender, in that he was assigned female at birth but doesn't want to grow into a woman -- which would not only mean his body would develop in an unwanted way, but also, given the play takes place in Edwardian England, that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being married off forced to marry and have children, essentially becoming someone else's property. Hence why he fled to Never Land: to remain comfortable in his own skin and free to do whatever he wants.
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** Peter could also be interpreted as a trans boy, who fled to Never Land in order not to grow into a woman (which would not only mean his body would develop in a way that would make him uncomfortable in his own skin, but also that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being married off and becoming someone else's property).

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** Peter could also be interpreted as a trans boy, who fled to Never Land transgender, in order not that he was assigned female at birth but doesn't want to grow into a woman (which -- which would not only mean his body would develop in a way that would make him uncomfortable in his own skin, an unwanted way, but also also, given the play takes place in Edwardian England, that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being married off and becoming someone else's property).property. Hence why he fled to Never Land: to remain comfortable in his own skin and free to do whatever he wants.
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** Peter could also be interpreted as a trans boy, who fled to Never Land in order not to grow into a woman (which would not only mean his body would develop in a way that would make him uncomfortable in his own skin, but also that he would essentially have his freedom taken away by being married off and becoming someone else's property).
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** On a lesser scale, fans are also a fan of Christian Borle's ''arms'' as Smee.

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** On a lesser scale, fans are also a fan of liked Christian Borle's ''arms'' as Smee.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For all that is divisive or downright hated in this production, the one thing that everyone can get behind is Creator/ChristianBorle's dual role as Mr. Darling and Smee (to the point that many wished that he played Captain Hook over Christopher Walken).

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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** On a lesser scale, fans are also a fan of Christian Borle's ''arms'' as Smee.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Allison Williams preemptively lecturing people about "hate watching" the 2014 live show. Many resented feeling like they were being told they needed her permission to snark at it, with predictable results.
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** Additionally, many praised Borle's fellow pirates for doing their very best to add some kind of energy to the screen whenever a seemingly sleepwalking Walken.

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** Additionally, many praised Borle's fellow pirates for doing their very best to add some kind of energy to the screen whenever a seemingly sleepwalking Walken.Walken was on screen with him.

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* JustHereForGodzilla: Many tuned into the December 2014 TV adaptation either to see Christopher Walken (and his dancing skills). Alternately, many were upset at ''{{Film/Pan}}'' for casting a white actress as Tiger Lily, and tuned in to support NBC's choice to make her Native American, and the song she sings in her language accurate to real Native American culture.

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** Additionally, many praised Borle's fellow pirates for doing their very best to add some kind of energy to the screen whenever a seemingly sleepwalking Walken.
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Many tuned into the December 2014 TV adaptation either to see Christopher Walken (and his dancing skills). Alternately, many were upset at ''{{Film/Pan}}'' for casting a white actress as Tiger Lily, and tuned in to support NBC's choice to make her Native American, and the song she sings in her language accurate to real Native American culture.culture.
** Additionally, look up videos of this show on YouTube and you'll find several people saying they're only there for Creator/ChristianBorle.



** Many have criticized Creator/AllisonWilliam's clearly feminine appearance as making it impossible for anyone to buy her as a boy.

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** Many have criticized Creator/AllisonWilliam's Creator/AllisonWilliams' clearly feminine appearance as making it impossible for anyone to buy her as a boy.boy.
* NarmCharm: Sure, it's not the best delivery, but Creator/ChristopherWalken's [[DeadpanSnarker unimpressed "That's it?"]] to Wendy's attempted inspiring words towards the Lost Boys is probably the only time that his half asleep performance comes to an intentional laugh.

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* {{Narm}}: The 2014 live film asking the viewers to save Tinkerbell via Twitter. At least they didn't go so far as having Peter actually say it, but that hashtag pulls you right out of the moment. Fortunately but unsurprisingly, home video prints don't include such a caption.

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** The presence of Creator/ChristianBorle, [[Theatre/PeterAndTheStarcatcher a man who had won a Tony for portraying a younger Captain Hook]], playing Smee this time, caused many of his fans to joke that he was cast in the wrong role.
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The 2014 live film asking the viewers to save Tinkerbell via Twitter. At least they didn't go so far as having Peter actually say it, but that hashtag pulls you right out of the moment. Fortunately but unsurprisingly, home video prints don't include such a caption.caption.
** Additionally, every serious scene with Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook is unintentionally funny. And pretty much every scene of his that's meant to be funny is funny for the wrong reasons.
*** Most obviously there's the moment where he blatantly forgets his line and takes a good couple of seconds to figure out what to do.
*** The moment when he's supposed to finish off one of his songs with a big high note and whiffs so badly that it's barely audible.
*** In general, compared to his [[LargeHam much more lively fellow pirates]], [[DullSurprise Walken looks perpetually bored]] throughout the show. This is most clear when he's dancing alongside them. Walken's dancing skills are still quite strong for a man in his 70s, and while he keeps up with them, the sheer energy and character emitting from his crew just exposes how half assed he's looking.
** Many have criticized Creator/AllisonWilliam's clearly feminine appearance as making it impossible for anyone to buy her as a boy.



* SoBadItsGood: For many, the best part of this special was watching Creator/ChristopherWalken's clueless performance as Captain Hook.



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Several viewers praised Creator/ChristianBorle as Smee and the pirate ensemble for giving their all and carrying the sequences where they back up a bored looking and lost Creator/ChristopherWalken.



** Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup.

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** Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. His makeup for the actual production didn't help much either.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For all that is divisive or downright hated in this production, the one thing that everyone can get behind is Creator/ChristianBorle's dual role as Mr. Darling and Smee (to the point that many wished that he played Captain Hook over Christopher Walken).
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** Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy.

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** Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy. WebVideo/MusicalHell adds that her performance is "too sophisticated and introspective" for someone that's supposed to be "thoughtless, arrogant, and self-centered".
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Removed the Fridge Logiv of Hook's name, since the novel makes it very clear that "Hook" wasn't his actual name, just an alias he adopted after he got his hook hand.


* FridgeLogic: So Hook's actual last name is Hook? That's awfully convenient, isn't it?

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* SnarkBait: The crosscasting of Peter is frequently joked about. For modern audiences, it's hard to take seriously a grown woman pretending to be a boy. This is especially contrasted because many portrayals have the kids ''besides'' Peter being played by actual children.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Christopher Walken in the 2014 live show. People are pretty well split between his being terrible, or the best reason to watch. [[NarmCharm Or both.]]



* SnarkBait: The crosscasting of Peter is frequently joked about. For modern audiences, it's hard to take seriously a grown woman pretending to be a boy. This is especially contrasted because many portrayals have the kids ''besides'' Peter being played by actual children.
* ValuesDissonance: A ceremony the Indians hold for Peter consists mainly of singing gibberish meant to sound like a native language. Averted with the December 2014 live-action TV adaption, which not only specifically cast a Native American actress as Tiger Lily, but replaced the gibberish with actual Native American dialogue, in an effort to be more respectful. For [[https://americanindiansinchildrensliterature.blogspot.com/2014/12/true-blood-brothers-in-nbcs-production.html some]], this was not a substantial-enough change.

!!2014 Portrayal
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Christopher Walken in the 2014 live show. People are pretty well split between his being terrible, or the best reason to watch. [[NarmCharm Or both.]]



* ValuesDissonance: A ceremony the Indians hold for Peter consists mainly of singing gibberish meant to sound like a native language. Averted with the December 2014 live-action TV adaption, which not only specifically cast a Native American actress as Tiger Lily, but replaced the gibberish with actual Native American dialogue, in an effort to be more respectful. For [[https://americanindiansinchildrensliterature.blogspot.com/2014/12/true-blood-brothers-in-nbcs-production.html some]], this was not a substantial-enough change.

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** Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy.

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** Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup.
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Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy.

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* WTHCastingAgency: Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy.

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Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy.
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** Many of the same people who disagree with Walken being cast as Hook are in agreement that Creator/ChristianBorle would have been a much better choice, both because he was already playing Mr. Darling, a role typically double-cast with Hook, and he was already a two-time Tony Award winner with much more experience in live theatre. Not to mention that one of the aforementioned Tony Awards was for ''[[Theatre/PeterAndTheStarcatcher playing (a younger version of) Captain Hook.]]''

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** Many of the same people who disagree with Walken being cast as Hook are in agreement that Creator/ChristianBorle would have been a much better choice, both because he was already playing Mr. Darling, a role typically double-cast with Hook, and he was already a two-time Tony Award winner with much more experience in live theatre. Not to mention that one of the aforementioned Tony Awards Award was for ''[[Theatre/PeterAndTheStarcatcher playing (a younger version of) Captain Hook.]]''
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** Many of the same people who disagree with Walken being cast as Hook are in agreement that Creator/ChristianBorle would have been a much better choice, both because he was already playing Mr. Darling, a role typically double-cast with Hook, and he was already a two-time Tony Award winner with much more experience in live theatre. Not to mention that one of the aforementioned Tony Awards was for ''[[Theatre/PeterAndTheStarcatcher playing (a younger version of) Captain Hook.]]''
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: The common one is that Peter is actually a lesbian trying to convince Wendy that she's a boy. And Captain Hook is dumb enough to fall for it.
* BaseBreakingCharacter: Christopher Walken in the 2014 live show. People are pretty well split between his being terrible, or the best reason to watch. [[NarmCharm Or both.]]
* FridgeLogic: So Hook's actual last name is Hook? That's awfully convenient, isn't it?
* JustHereForGodzilla: Many tuned into the December 2014 TV adaptation either to see Christopher Walken (and his dancing skills). Alternately, many were upset at ''{{Film/Pan}}'' for casting a white actress as Tiger Lily, and tuned in to support NBC's choice to make her Native American, and the song she sings in her language accurate to real Native American culture.
* MemeticMutation:
** [[{{Website/Twitter}} #KillTinkerbell]], in backlash to the live special's [[ForcedMeme #SaveTinkerbell]].
** "[[Series/SaturdayNightLive It could use more cowbell]]," given Christopher Walken's presence.
* {{Narm}}: The 2014 live film asking the viewers to save Tinkerbell via Twitter. At least they didn't go so far as having Peter actually say it, but that hashtag pulls you right out of the moment. Fortunately but unsurprisingly, home video prints don't include such a caption.
* NeverLiveItDown: Allison Williams preemptively lecturing people about "hate watching" the 2014 live show. Many resented feeling like they were being told they needed her permission to snark at it, with predictable results.
* SophomoreSlump: Among Creator/{{NBC}}'s first three musicals of TheNewTens (''Theatre/TheSoundOfMusic'', ''Peter Pan'', and ''Theatre/TheWiz''), ''Peter Pan'' received by far the worst premiere night ratings[[note]]9.21 million viewers vs. 18.5M for ''The Sound of Music'' and 11.5M for ''The Wiz''[[/note]], and also became the only one of the three to receive zero Emmy Awards.
* SpecialEffectFailure: The HD cameras used for the 2014 performance made it rather hard to hide the actors' wires, and sometimes even the overhead lighting.
* ValuesDissonance: A ceremony the Indians hold for Peter consists mainly of singing gibberish meant to sound like a native language. Averted with the December 2014 live-action TV adaption, which not only specifically cast a Native American actress as Tiger Lily, but replaced the gibberish with actual Native American dialogue, in an effort to be more respectful. For [[https://americanindiansinchildrensliterature.blogspot.com/2014/12/true-blood-brothers-in-nbcs-production.html some]], this was not a substantial-enough change.
* WTHCastingAgency: Many observers' reaction to the decision to cast Creator/ChristopherWalken as Captain Hook, since Walken looks ''nothing'' like the character out of makeup. Another main criticism was that Alison Williams looks too feminine for the role, looking more like a {{Tomboy}} or ButchLesbian than a boy.
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