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* TheScrappy: Teddie has been less liked in this game, mainly due to him undergoing {{Flanderization}} into a bigger pervert than before, and him being a TierInducedScrappy.
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* TheScrappy: Teddie has been less liked in this game, mainly due to him undergoing {{Flanderization}} into a bigger pervert than before, and him being a TierInducedScrappy.TierInducedScrappy.
** This may have to do with this game being set Mid-November for the Persona 4 gang, which was when Teddie was at his peak of being drunk on the material pleasures of the human world, just before his inevitable [[HeroicBSOD mental breakdown]] upon witnessing [[spoiler: Nanako's apparent death.]]
** This may have to do with this game being set Mid-November for the Persona 4 gang, which was when Teddie was at his peak of being drunk on the material pleasures of the human world, just before his inevitable [[HeroicBSOD mental breakdown]] upon witnessing [[spoiler: Nanako's apparent death.]]
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* DemonicSpiders: F.O.E.s, as usual. The one encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', for example, took the show's hosts ''fifty minutes'' to defeat.
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* DemonicSpiders: DemonicSpiders:
** F.O.E.s, as usual. The one encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', for example, took the show's hosts ''fifty minutes'' todefeat.defeat.
** The later floors of the dungeons also have large singular shadows that are tough and can act twice a turn. [[PaletteSwap Golden versions]] of these act as the {{Bonus Boss}}es of their respective dungeons.
** F.O.E.s, as usual. The one encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', for example, took the show's hosts ''fifty minutes'' to
** The later floors of the dungeons also have large singular shadows that are tough and can act twice a turn. [[PaletteSwap Golden versions]] of these act as the {{Bonus Boss}}es of their respective dungeons.
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** Naoto is the best character to use from the get-go, with natural high speed, decent attack power, having both Hama and Mudo while not having weaknesses to either like Ken and Koromaru, and because of the boost system, Naoto can easily throw around Almighty spells.
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** TierInducedScrappy: Due to movesets now largely being based on Sub-Personas, Teddie was stripped of the majority of his healing spells and all his buffs, which leaves him with ''horrible'' Defense and Speed and seemingly nothing to make up for it, causing a lot of players to ignore him when putting together their party. Some players, however, realize that the fact that he's a SquishyWizard can be exploited if you equip him with a Sub-Persona with multi-hit physical skills - his extremely high Luck stat will cause him score repeated critical hits, giving one of the most competent magic users in the game ''basically unlimited SP'' thanks to the Boost-System.
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** TierInducedScrappy: Due to movesets now largely being based on Sub-Personas, Teddie was stripped of the majority of his healing spells and all his buffs, which leaves him with ''horrible'' Defense and Speed and seemingly nothing to make up for it, causing a lot of players to ignore him when putting together their party. Some players, however, realize that the fact that he's a SquishyWizard can be exploited if you equip him with a Sub-Persona with multi-hit physical skills - his extremely high Luck stat will cause him score repeated critical hits, giving one of the most competent magic users in the game ''basically unlimited SP'' thanks to the Boost-System.Boost-System.
* TheScrappy: Teddie has been less liked in this game, mainly due to him undergoing {{Flanderization}} into a bigger pervert than before, and him being a TierInducedScrappy.
* TheScrappy: Teddie has been less liked in this game, mainly due to him undergoing {{Flanderization}} into a bigger pervert than before, and him being a TierInducedScrappy.
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** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]! Needless to say, using Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto is a much more feasible option than in the games they come from.
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** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]! Needless to say, using Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto is a much more feasible option than in the games they come from. Not helping is the fact that many enemies appear to be weak to at least one of the two; not only does this increase its hit rate, it also gives you Boost, making the next attack cost no SP.
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** Being [[VideoGame/Persona4Arena another crossover]] between ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' with no sign of the casts of ''VideoGame/{{Persona}} 1'' and the ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' duology, even though they have the perfect excuse.
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** Being [[VideoGame/Persona4Arena another crossover]] between ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' with no sign of the casts of ''VideoGame/{{Persona}} 1'' and the ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' duology, even though they have the perfect excuse. Though, this probably did not come as a surprise to anyone aware that [[RealLifeWritesThePlot the lead writer of Persona 1 and 2 has left Atlus several years ago, meaning that there is nobody with experience in writing these games' characters on the current Persona development team.]]
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** TierInducedScrappy: Invoked with Teddie. Due to movesets now largely being based on Sub-Personas, Teddie was stripped of the majority of his healing spells and all his buffs, which leaves him with ''horrible'' Defense and Speed and seemingly nothing to make up for it, causing a lot of players to ignore him when putting together their party. Some players, however, realize that the fact that he's a SquishyWizard can be exploited if you equip him with a Sub-Persona with multi-hit physical skills - his extremely high Luck stat will cause him score repeated critical hits, giving one of the most competent magic users in the game ''basically unlimited SP'' thanks to the Boost-System.
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** TierInducedScrappy: Invoked with Teddie. Due to movesets now largely being based on Sub-Personas, Teddie was stripped of the majority of his healing spells and all his buffs, which leaves him with ''horrible'' Defense and Speed and seemingly nothing to make up for it, causing a lot of players to ignore him when putting together their party. Some players, however, realize that the fact that he's a SquishyWizard can be exploited if you equip him with a Sub-Persona with multi-hit physical skills - his extremely high Luck stat will cause him score repeated critical hits, giving one of the most competent magic users in the game ''basically unlimited SP'' thanks to the Boost-System.
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* [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From the]] [[TierInducedScrappy Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap]]: Ken and Naoto. In their original games, both had OneHitKO skills as specialties, while their other aspects lagged behind. However, because Hama and Mudo hit rates have been increased to GameBreaker status, they become MUCH more useful; in the case for Ken, the sub-Persona system covers his other problems; his natural high luck also makes him a good support character.
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* [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From the]] [[TierInducedScrappy Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap]]: Ken and Naoto. In their original games, both had OneHitKO skills as specialties, while their other aspects lagged behind. However, because Hama and Mudo hit rates have been increased to GameBreaker status, they become MUCH more useful; in the case for Ken, the sub-Persona system covers his other problems; his natural high luck also makes him a good support character.character.
** TierInducedScrappy: Invoked with Teddie. Due to movesets now largely being based on Sub-Personas, Teddie was stripped of the majority of his healing spells and all his buffs, which leaves him with ''horrible'' Defense and Speed and seemingly nothing to make up for it, causing a lot of players to ignore him when putting together their party. Some players, however, realize that the fact that he's a SquishyWizard can be exploited if you equip him with a Sub-Persona with multi-hit physical skills - his extremely high Luck stat will cause him score repeated critical hits, giving one of the most competent magic users in the game ''basically unlimited SP'' thanks to the Boost-System.
** TierInducedScrappy: Invoked with Teddie. Due to movesets now largely being based on Sub-Personas, Teddie was stripped of the majority of his healing spells and all his buffs, which leaves him with ''horrible'' Defense and Speed and seemingly nothing to make up for it, causing a lot of players to ignore him when putting together their party. Some players, however, realize that the fact that he's a SquishyWizard can be exploited if you equip him with a Sub-Persona with multi-hit physical skills - his extremely high Luck stat will cause him score repeated critical hits, giving one of the most competent magic users in the game ''basically unlimited SP'' thanks to the Boost-System.
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* [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From the]] [[TierInducedScrappy Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap]]: Ken and Naoto. In their original games, both had OneHitKO skills as specialties, while their other aspects lagged behind. However, because Hama and Mudo hit rates have been increased to GameBreaker status, they become MUCH more useful; in the case for Ken, the sub-Persona system covers his other problems.
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* [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From the]] [[TierInducedScrappy Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap]]: Ken and Naoto. In their original games, both had OneHitKO skills as specialties, while their other aspects lagged behind. However, because Hama and Mudo hit rates have been increased to GameBreaker status, they become MUCH more useful; in the case for Ken, the sub-Persona system covers his other problems.problems; his natural high luck also makes him a good support character.
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** Being [[VideoGame/Persona4Arena another crossover]] between ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' with no sign of the casts of ''VideoGame/{{Persona}} 1'' and the ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' duology.
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** Being [[VideoGame/Persona4Arena another crossover]] between ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' with no sign of the casts of ''VideoGame/{{Persona}} 1'' and the ''VideoGame/{{Persona 2}}'' duology.duology, even though they have the perfect excuse.
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** Confusion renders an enemy unable to use skills or evade. This means that multi-hit attacks whose sole balancing factor was their low accuracy are now overpowered, and when combined with buffs like charge, can easily take out F.O.Es in one turn.
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** Personas being DLC, but ''especially'' Thanatos, who is Minato's signature Persona outside of Orpheus.
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** Special mention to Ken's and Kanji's interaction, which is generally agreed to be adorable.
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** Special mention to Ken's and Kanji's interaction, which is generally agreed to be adorable.adorable.
* [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From the]] [[TierInducedScrappy Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap]]: Ken and Naoto. In their original games, both had OneHitKO skills as specialties, while their other aspects lagged behind. However, because Hama and Mudo hit rates have been increased to GameBreaker status, they become MUCH more useful; in the case for Ken, the sub-Persona system covers his other problems.
* [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap Rescued From the]] [[TierInducedScrappy Tier-Induced Scrappy Heap]]: Ken and Naoto. In their original games, both had OneHitKO skills as specialties, while their other aspects lagged behind. However, because Hama and Mudo hit rates have been increased to GameBreaker status, they become MUCH more useful; in the case for Ken, the sub-Persona system covers his other problems.
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** Being ''another'' spin-off of ''Persona 4'' which [[FanDumb ignores the fact it is also a]] ''[[FanDumb Persona 3]]'' [[FanDumb spin-off]].
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** Being ''another'' spin-off of ''Persona 4'' which [[FanDumb ignores the fact it is also a]] ''[[FanDumb Persona 3]]'' [[FanDumb spin-off]].a ''Persona 3'' spin-off.
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* FanDumb:
** After it was announced, several detractors accused it of being a parody/comedic spin-off due to the super-deformed style. This despite the fact the first trailer was almost entirely action and plot.
** Many people are unaware of the ''VideoGame/EtrianOdyssey'' roots and dismiss it as a chibi spin-off.
** Some people are jumping ship just because the game is played in a first-person perspective (à la ''VideoGame/EtrianOdyssey'' or ''VideoGame/{{Persona}} 1'' or a few ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games; which doesn't help the image ''P3''[=/=]''P4'' fans built up in the eyes of other fans).
** After it was announced, several detractors accused it of being a parody/comedic spin-off due to the super-deformed style. This despite the fact the first trailer was almost entirely action and plot.
** Many people are unaware of the ''VideoGame/EtrianOdyssey'' roots and dismiss it as a chibi spin-off.
** Some people are jumping ship just because the game is played in a first-person perspective (à la ''VideoGame/EtrianOdyssey'' or ''VideoGame/{{Persona}} 1'' or a few ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'' games; which doesn't help the image ''P3''[=/=]''P4'' fans built up in the eyes of other fans).
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** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]!
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** [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]!s]]! Needless to say, using Ken, Koromaru, and Naoto is a much more feasible option than in the games they come from.
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* GameBreaker: [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]!
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* GameBreaker: [[OneHitKill GameBreaker:
**[[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]!s]]!
** Some status effects are nothing to sneeze at either. It says a lot when, for example, poison can do more damage than a single attack from any one from your party.
**[[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.
** Some status effects are nothing to sneeze at either. It says a lot when, for example, poison can do more damage than a single attack from any one from your party.
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*** The reveal that this game's story '''is''' canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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*** The reveal that this game's story '''is''' canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this. Though, considering that ''VideoGame/Persona4DancingAllNight'' of all things is also canon, many people see it as a non-issue.
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*** The reveal that this game's story IS canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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*** The reveal that this game's story IS '''is''' canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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* HarsherInHindsight: Literally everybody is happy, including the ''P3'' Hero, Shinjiro, Ken, and Mitsuru. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: Literally everybody is happy, including the ''P3'' Hero, Shinjiro, Mitsuru, Ken, and Mitsuru.Shinjiro. [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: Literally everybody is happy, including P3 Hero, Shinjiro, Ken, and Mitsuru. [[spoiler:Fast forward a few months and…]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: Literally everybody is happy, including P3 the ''P3'' Hero, Shinjiro, Ken, and Mitsuru. [[spoiler:Fast forward [[spoiler:[[TearJerker Fast]] [[HeroicSacrifice forward]] [[DespairEventHorizon a few months and…]]few]] [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone months]] [[KilledOffForReal and…]]]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: Strain42, the author of {{Persona 3 FTW}} and {{Persona 4TW}}, stated in the description of [[http://theduckwebcomics.com/Persona_4TW/5432033/ this comic]] that it'd be the closest we get to the protagonists of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' speaking with each other. This comic was, of course, before this game was announced.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Strain42, the author of {{Persona ''Webcomic/{{Persona 3 FTW}} FTW}}'' and {{Persona 4TW}}, ''Webcomic/{{Persona 4TW}}'', stated in the description of [[http://theduckwebcomics.com/Persona_4TW/5432033/ this comic]] that it'd be the closest we get to the protagonists of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' speaking with each other. This comic was, of course, before this game was announced.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Strain42, the author of {{Persona 3 FTW}} and {{Persona 4TW}}, stated in the description of [[http://theduckwebcomics.com/Persona_4TW/5432033/ this comic]] that it'd be the closest we get to [[Videogame/{{Persona 4}} Yu Narukami]] and [[Videogame/{{Persona 3}} Makoto Yuki]] speaking with each other. This comic was, of course, before this game was announced.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Strain42, the author of {{Persona 3 FTW}} and {{Persona 4TW}}, stated in the description of [[http://theduckwebcomics.com/Persona_4TW/5432033/ this comic]] that it'd be the closest we get to [[Videogame/{{Persona 4}} Yu Narukami]] the protagonists of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' and [[Videogame/{{Persona 3}} Makoto Yuki]] ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'' speaking with each other. This comic was, of course, before this game was announced.
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*** RealLifeWritesThePlot: Igor's Japanese VA is dead...so this is likely to phase Igor out, necessarily.
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*** RealLifeWritesThePlot: Igor's Japanese VA is dead...dead… so this is likely to phase Igor out, necessarily.
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** The reveal that this game's story IS canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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** The reveal that this game's stoy IS canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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** The reveal that this game's stoy story IS canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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** The reveal that this game's stoy IS canon to the rest of the series has only worsened this.
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*** RealLifeWritesThePlot: Igor's Japanese VA is dead...so this is likely to phase Igor out, necessarily.
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* GameBreaker: [[OneHitKill Hama and Mudo]] skills are very effective in this game. They even work against [[DemonicSpiders F.O.E.s]]!
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* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the stoic Zen, Aigis isn't smiling when she sees Teddie in the intro at [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXn3TLAw7Ek]] 2:20 is because she has not gone through her character development yet since the ''P3'' cast came from well before November, [[spoiler: before gaining her memories of why she was attached to Minato in the first place. And also losing her robotic characteristics due to being broken by Ryoji.]]
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* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the stoic Zen, Aigis isn't smiling when she sees Teddie in the intro at [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXn3TLAw7Ek]] 2:20 is because she has not gone through her character development yet since the ''P3'' cast came from well before November, [[spoiler: before gaining her memories of why she was attached to Minato Makoto in the first place. And also losing her robotic characteristics due to being broken by Ryoji.]]
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* HilariousInHindsight: Strain42, the author of {{Persona 3 FTW}} and {{Persona 4TW}}, stated in the description of [[http://theduckwebcomics.com/Persona_4TW/5432033/ this comic]] that it'd be the closest we get to [[Videogame/{{Persona 4}} Yu Narukami]] and [[Videogame/{{Persona 3}} Minato Arisato]] speaking with each other. This comic was, of course, before this game was announced.
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* HilariousInHindsight: Strain42, the author of {{Persona 3 FTW}} and {{Persona 4TW}}, stated in the description of [[http://theduckwebcomics.com/Persona_4TW/5432033/ this comic]] that it'd be the closest we get to [[Videogame/{{Persona 4}} Yu Narukami]] and [[Videogame/{{Persona 3}} Minato Arisato]] Makoto Yuki]] speaking with each other. This comic was, of course, before this game was announced.
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* DemonicSpiders: F.O.E.s, as usual. The one encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', for example, took the show's hosts ''fifty minutes'' to defeat.
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** Special mention to Ken's and Kanji's interaction, which is generally agreed to be adorable.
* ThatOneBoss: It wouldn't be an [[ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} Atlus]] [[NintendoHard game]] without one. Case in point, the F.O.E. encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', which took the hosts ''fifty minutes'' to defeat.
* ThatOneBoss: It wouldn't be an [[ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} Atlus]] [[NintendoHard game]] without one. Case in point, the F.O.E. encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', which took the hosts ''fifty minutes'' to defeat.
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** Special mention to Ken's and Kanji's interaction, which is generally agreed to be adorable.
* ThatOneBoss: It wouldn't be an [[ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} Atlus]] [[NintendoHard game]] without one. Case in point, the F.O.E. encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', which took the hosts ''fifty minutes'' to defeat.adorable.
* ThatOneBoss: It wouldn't be an [[ThatOneBoss/{{Atlus}} Atlus]] [[NintendoHard game]] without one. Case in point, the F.O.E. encountered in episode 3 of ''Persona Stalker Club'', which took the hosts ''fifty minutes'' to defeat.
