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* CryForTheDevil: Colin Smith in ''Blessed'' from the ''Tales of the Firebirds'' anthology. Colin is a grade-A JerkAss, but Blessed shows him to be so incredibly repressed and unhappy - and so [[ArmoredClosetGay in denial about his sexuality]] that he seems genuinely incapable of connecting it to his unhappiness - both in life and in his marriage and his conversations with "Jesus", rather than being expressions of his faith, almost seem like full on [[DiagnosedByTheAudience dissociation]]. All in all it's hard not to feel a little sorry for him.

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* CryForTheDevil: Colin Smith in ''Blessed'' from the ''Tales of the Firebirds'' anthology. Colin is a grade-A JerkAss, but Blessed shows him to be so incredibly repressed and unhappy - and so [[ArmoredClosetGay in denial about his sexuality]] that he seems genuinely incapable of connecting it to his unhappiness - both in life and in his marriage and his conversations with "Jesus", rather than being expressions of his faith, almost seem like full on [[DiagnosedByTheAudience dissociation]]. All in all it's hard not to feel a little sorry for him.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Strike? We know you meant well buying Dev and Lee a sexual collar and wristcuffs for a Christmas gift, but why did you think it was a good idea giving it to them in the middle of a crowded party ''with cubs around''?
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* CryForTheDevil: Colin Smith in ''Blessed'' from the ''Tales of the Firebirds'' anthology. Colin is a grade-A JerkAss, but Blessed shows him to be so incredibly repressed and unhappy - and so [[ArmoredCloestGay in denial about his sexuality]] that he seems genuinely incapable of connecting it to his unhappiness - both in life and in his marriage and his conversations with "Jesus", rather than being expressions of his faith, almost seem like full on dissociation. All in all it's hard not to feel a little sorry for him.

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* CryForTheDevil: Colin Smith in ''Blessed'' from the ''Tales of the Firebirds'' anthology. Colin is a grade-A JerkAss, but Blessed shows him to be so incredibly repressed and unhappy - and so [[ArmoredCloestGay [[ArmoredClosetGay in denial about his sexuality]] that he seems genuinely incapable of connecting it to his unhappiness - both in life and in his marriage and his conversations with "Jesus", rather than being expressions of his faith, almost seem like full on dissociation.[[DiagnosedByTheAudience dissociation]]. All in all it's hard not to feel a little sorry for him.
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* CryForTheDevil: Colin Smith in ''Blessed'' from the ''Tales of the Firebirds'' anthology. Colin is a grade-A JerkAss, but Blessed shows him to be so incredibly repressed and unhappy - and so [[ArmoredCloestGay in denial about his sexuality]] that he seems genuinely incapable of connecting it to his unhappiness - both in life and in his marriage and his conversations with "Jesus", rather than being expressions of his faith, almost seem like full on dissociation. All in all it's hard not to feel a little sorry for him.
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* FirstInstallmentWins: While most fans enjoy all three books in the series, ''Isolation Play'' and ''Divisions'' are generally considered to be not as good as ''Out of Position'' (the former has issues with pacing and {{Padding}}, and the latter [[LeftHanging left several situations regarding Lee unresolved]], which annoyed many fans).

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* FirstInstallmentWins: While most fans enjoy all three the books in the series, ''Isolation Play'' and ''Divisions'' are generally considered to be not as good as ''Out of Position'' (the former has issues with pacing and {{Padding}}, and the latter [[LeftHanging left several situations regarding Lee unresolved]], which annoyed many fans).
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* CompleteMonster: [[Ymmv/{{Camouflage}} Argile]].

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* ItGetsBetter: While ''Out of Position'' did receive lots of praise, there was some criticism that the first chunk of the book had pacing issues and that not much in terms of plot really happens. It isn't until around the TimeSkip and when Brian gets more involved in trying to ruin Dev's career that the story focuses more on the plot and CharacterDevelopment.


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* SlowPacedBeginning: While ''Out of Position'' did receive lots of praise, there was some criticism that the first chunk of the book had pacing issues and that not much in terms of plot really happens. It isn't until around the TimeSkip and when Brian gets more involved in trying to ruin Dev's career that the story focuses more on the plot and CharacterDevelopment.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else? [[spoiler: The end of ''Uncovered'' seems to lean towards the latter.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else? [[spoiler: The end of ''Uncovered'' seems to lean towards the latter.former.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else? [[Spoiler: The end of ''Uncovered'' seems to lean towards the latter.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else? [[Spoiler: [[spoiler: The end of ''Uncovered'' seems to lean towards the latter.]]
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else?else? [[Spoiler: The end of ''Uncovered'' seems to lean towards the latter.]]
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Lee, at times, will monologue to himself about how society treats homosexuality negatively and openly voice his feelings to the readers. While he does have a point, it starts to get old around the third or fourth book, especially since the series has already made Lee's points very clear [[ShowDontTell by some of the events both he and Lee go through]].

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* {{Anvilicious}}: Lee, at times, will monologue to himself about how society treats homosexuality negatively and openly voice his feelings to the readers. While he does have a point, it starts to get old around the third or fourth book, especially since the series has already made Lee's points very clear [[ShowDontTell by some of the events both he and Lee Dev go through]].
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Lee, at times, will monologue to himself about how society treats homosexuality negatively and openly voice his feelings to the readers. While he does have a point, it starts to get old around the third or fourth book, especially since the series has already made Lee's points very clear [[ShowDontTell by some of the events both he and Lee go through]].


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* ItGetsBetter: While ''Out of Position'' did receive lots of praise, there was some criticism that the first chunk of the book had pacing issues and that not much in terms of plot really happens. It isn't until around the TimeSkip and when Brian gets more involved in trying to ruin Dev's career that the story focuses more on the plot and CharacterDevelopment.
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Lightning Strike. Is he a narcissistic AttentionWhore [[BitchInSheepsClothing who pretends to act nice]] but is only after money and fame, or is he really a caring (albeit InnocentlyInsensitive) person who values his team and Dev as much as everyone else?


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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Lightning Strike in ''Uncovered''. He's [[TookALevelInKindness not as narcissistic or annoying]], he doesn't steal too much screentime from the other football players like he did in ''Divisions'', and he toned down his attention-seeking behavior to a manageable level.


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** Colin, for being a cliché homophobic JerkJock. [[spoiler:And for being a hypocritical ArmouredClosetGay who cheats on his wife with Argonne and refuses to admit that he's gay when Dev confronts him about it]].

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dev and Lee having sex in Dev's parents' house. [[RefugeInAudacity With Dev's parents sleeping in the room next to the one he and Lee are staying in]].
** For extra points it's actually his brother's old room and Dev comments that it'd be funny the next time he speaks to his brother to think "Hey, I fucked a guy in your bed."

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Dev and Lee having sex in Dev's parents' house. [[RefugeInAudacity With Dev's parents sleeping in the room next to the one he and Lee are staying in]].
** *** For extra points it's actually his brother's old room and Dev comments that it'd be funny the next time he speaks to his brother to think "Hey, I fucked a guy in your bed.""
** Dev going down on Lee while he's talking to Hal over the phone. The fact that Hal is discussing how he just recently broke up with his new girlfriend makes it even funnier.



* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Strike? We know you meant well buying Dev and Lee a sexual collar and wristcuffs for a Christmas gift, but why ''the fuck'' did you think it was a good idea giving it to them in the middle of a crowded party '''''with cubs around'''''?

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* TearJerker:
** After Dev [[spoiler:finds out about Lee's court case]], he and Lee get into a fight again. Only this time, [[spoiler:Lee (temporarily) leaves, and Dev doesn't even try to convince him to come back like he did in ''Isolation Play'']].
** Chapter 11 of ''Uncovered'', which is aptly named "Shattered." Whether it's [[spoiler:Lee realizing he has to leave in order to ''help'' Dev stay focused on the championship, Dev coldly telling Lee "Fine. Stay there." via text message, Lee hiding from Dev in the parking garage, Lee abruptly crying next to Hal when he begins to wonder if Dev will hate him at some point in the future...]] It's nearly impossible to read the chapter without getting teary-eyed at least once.
* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Strike? We know you meant well buying Dev and Lee a sexual collar and wristcuffs for a Christmas gift, but why ''the fuck'' did you think it was a good idea giving it to them in the middle of a crowded party '''''with ''with cubs around'''''?around''?
* TheWoobie: Lee. Throughout the series Lee continues to suffer from various life-changing tragedies of some kind (his parents getting divorced, his constant fights with his ex-best-friend Brian, Vince King's suicide, etc.), and Dev, the one person who could be helping him through these tragedies, constantly becomes more and more obsessed over his football career and neglects Lee, to the point where Lee can't even be himself without the risk of screwing up Dev's career.
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* HilariousInHindsight: The similarities with Conner Mertens' own coming out story were dutifully noted by the author.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Strike? [[SarcasmMode We know you meant well buying Dev and Lee a sexual collar and wristcuffs for a Christmas gift]], but why ''the fuck'' did you think it was a good idea giving it to them in the middle of a crowded party '''''with cubs around'''''?

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* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Strike? [[SarcasmMode We know you meant well buying Dev and Lee a sexual collar and wristcuffs for a Christmas gift]], gift, but why ''the fuck'' did you think it was a good idea giving it to them in the middle of a crowded party '''''with cubs around'''''?
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* ButtMonkey: Fisher is kind of slow/unthinking but never really does anything to deserve the abuse he gets from Lee in Out Of Position.
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* ButtMonkey: Fisher is kind of slow/unthinking but never really does anything to deserve the abuse he gets from Lee in Out Of Position.
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** Brian. He's a {{Jerkass}} [[BitchInSheepsClothing who acts like he's friendly]] when he really has some secret agenda to harm Lee and/or Dev. His reasons for trying to sabotage Dev's career and his relationship with Lee, [[FreudianExcuse although justified at first]], become utterly petty as the series progresses. At some point you have to wonder if he's just a CrazyJealousGuy who despises the fact that Lee broke up with him and started dating someone like Dev.

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** Brian. He's a {{Jerkass}} [[BitchInSheepsClothing who acts like he's friendly]] when he really has some secret agenda to harm Lee and/or Dev. His reasons for trying to sabotage Dev's career and his relationship with Lee, [[FreudianExcuse although justified at first]], become utterly petty as the series progresses. At some point you have to wonder if he's just a CrazyJealousGuy who despises the fact that Lee broke up no longer hangs out with him anymore and started dating someone like Dev.
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** For extra points it's actually his brother's old room and Dev comments that it'd be funny the next time he speaks to his brother to think "Hey, I fucked a guy in your bed."

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dev and Lee having sex in Dev's parents' house. [[RefugeInAudacity With their parents sleeping in the room next to theirs]].

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dev and Lee having sex in Dev's parents' house. [[RefugeInAudacity With their Dev's parents sleeping in the room next to theirs]].the one he and Lee are staying in]].



** Brian. He's a {{Jerkass}} [[BitchInSheepsClothing who acts like he's friendly]] when he really has some secret agenda to harm Lee and/or Dev. His reasons for trying to sabotage Dev's career, [[FreudianExcuse although justified at first]], becomes utterly petty as the series progresses.
** Lightning Strike, a [[{{Narcissist}} narcissistic]], idiotic, [[LargeHam hammy]] AttentionWhoe who takes everything way too seriously. Even when he's trying to be nice, he comes across as being a douchebag. He's even a Scrappy InUniverse; none of the Firebirds can stand being around him.

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** Brian. He's a {{Jerkass}} [[BitchInSheepsClothing who acts like he's friendly]] when he really has some secret agenda to harm Lee and/or Dev. His reasons for trying to sabotage Dev's career, career and his relationship with Lee, [[FreudianExcuse although justified at first]], becomes become utterly petty as the series progresses.
progresses. At some point you have to wonder if he's just a CrazyJealousGuy who despises the fact that Lee broke up with him and started dating someone like Dev.
** Lightning Strike, a [[{{Narcissist}} narcissistic]], idiotic, [[LargeHam hammy]] AttentionWhoe AttentionWhore who takes everything way too seriously. Even when he's trying to be nice, he comes across as being a douchebag. douchebag sometimes. He's even a Scrappy InUniverse; none of the Firebirds can stand being around him.him.
* WhatAnIdiot: Okay, Strike? [[SarcasmMode We know you meant well buying Dev and Lee a sexual collar and wristcuffs for a Christmas gift]], but why ''the fuck'' did you think it was a good idea giving it to them in the middle of a crowded party '''''with cubs around'''''?
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: Dev and Lee having sex in Dev's parents' house. [[RefugeInAudacity With their parents sleeping in the room next to theirs]].
* FirstInstallmentWins: While most fans enjoy all three books in the series, ''Isolation Play'' and ''Divisions'' are generally considered to be not as good as ''Out of Position'' (the former has issues with pacing and {{Padding}}, and the latter [[LeftHanging left several situations regarding Lee unresolved]], which annoyed many fans).
* TheScrappy:
** Brian. He's a {{Jerkass}} [[BitchInSheepsClothing who acts like he's friendly]] when he really has some secret agenda to harm Lee and/or Dev. His reasons for trying to sabotage Dev's career, [[FreudianExcuse although justified at first]], becomes utterly petty as the series progresses.
** Lightning Strike, a [[{{Narcissist}} narcissistic]], idiotic, [[LargeHam hammy]] AttentionWhoe who takes everything way too seriously. Even when he's trying to be nice, he comes across as being a douchebag. He's even a Scrappy InUniverse; none of the Firebirds can stand being around him.

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