History YMMV / MobileSuitZetaGundam

** Violence is no answer! [[note]]Uttered by Kamille when he is being physically reprimanded Wong Lee. The fact that it's fucking [[HairTriggerTemper Kamille]] [[TalkToTheFist of all people]] saying this means [[{{Hypocrite}} the irony was not lost of the audience]].[[/note]]

* FridgeHorror: Kamille, on average, kills two people an episode.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everyone in the CrapsackWorld the series takes place in [[DysfunctionJunction spends so much time yelling at each other]] [[CharactersDroppingLikeFlies or dying]] that it can be hard to care about what happens next. [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-12-12/a-short-talk-with-yoshiyuki-tomino Tomino disliked this]] which apparently led to the changes in the compilation movies. [[spoiler:Most of the AEUG members still die in the movies though.]]

* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Peace is a nice ideal, but you have to be willing to fight because the world is full of bad people who delight in tormenting others. Indeed, the GrandFinale basically has Kamille getting over his earlier "Why do we have to keep fighting?!" attitude and killing the BigBad.

* MagnificentBastard: [[DarkMessiah Paptimus Scirocco]] -- "The Man from Jupiter" -- is an elusive mercenary and Titans Lieutenant who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance]] with Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, [[PlayingBothSides rallying his forces to fight against her]]. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and, [[TakingYouWithMe in his dying moments]], [[MindRape destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Like Kamille, Jerid tragically loses many loved ones over the course of the story, but he never changes from being a power-hungry fascist.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Like Kamille, Jerid tragically loses many loved ones over the course of the story, but he never changes from being a power-hungry fascist.

* MagnificentBastard: "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]] -- is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Like Kamille, Jerid tragically loses many loved ones over the course of the story, but he never changes from being a power-hungry fascist.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kamille. There are some who find him to be a good replacement to Amuro and enjoy his CharacterDevelopment, whereas others find him annoying for his high angst and tantrums. Some of his worst detractors even believe that he doesn't deserve his FixFic from the movies.

* LoveToHate: The Titans produced some fascinatingly sick individuals.

* MemeticMutation: "Captain Quattro, He is a CHAR!"

* {{Narm}}: At the end of "Half Moon Love" Kamille's contorting and tortured face, after realizing Sarah had escaped, makes him look like a stoner.

* StrangledByTheRedString: Kamille and Four, whose Newtype powers cause them to fall in love within seconds of meeting. This is justified in-show (Four is badly messed up due to her DarkAndTroubledPast, Kamille was the first person to treat her like a human being and not a test subject), but it doesn't make the relationship any more real to those watching it.
** It's given a lampshade by Chris of MAHQ. When commenting on [[spoiler: G Gundam's GrandFinale and the ''epic'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding end]] of Domon and Rain's love story]], he points out that "They ([[spoiler: [Domon and Rain]]) are not Newtypes who magically reach an understanding of each other, [[CharacterDevelopment they're normal people who have to develop their love over time.]]"

** Yazan is either seen as one of the [[EvilIsCool coolest]] and most BadAss villains in the Universal Century series or as a horrible human being who doesn't deserve his KarmaHoudini status.

* CompleteMonster:

** Also Four seems to have her fans considering she gets saved and joins the heroes in many SRW games. She even won Animage's Anime Grand Prix Award in 1985 in the category of favorite female anime character of the year and there's a novel that tells her origin story.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everyone in the CrapsackWorld the series takes place in [[DysfunctionJunction spends so much time yelling at each other]] [[CharactersDroppingLikeFlies or dying]] that it can be hard to care about what happens next. [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-12-12/a-short-talk-with-yoshiyuki-tomino Tomino disliked this]] which apparently led to the changes in the compilation movies. [[Spoiler: Most of the AEUG members still die in the movies though.]]

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Everyone in the CrapsackWorld the series takes place in [[DysfunctionJunction spends so much time yelling at each other]] that it can be hard to care about what happens next. [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-12-12/a-short-talk-with-yoshiyuki-tomino Tomino disliked this]] which apparently led to the changes in the compilation movies.

* HilariousInHindsight: The Libyan word for Scirocco is "[[Creator/StudioGhibli Ghibli]]" (Studio Ghibli didn't technically exist yet when ''Zeta'' first came out). Scirocco's self-important attitude and two-faced "male feminist" pretensions could easily be mistaken for a rather unflattering caricature of Creator/HayaoMiyazaki. Both of them even have a background in aviation mechanics.

* BaseBreakingCharacter: Kamille, big time. There are some who find him to be a good replacement to Amuro, whereas others find him annoying for his high angst and tantrums. His detractors even believe that he doesn't deserve his FixFic from the movies.

* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The series is far darker than the first Gundam employing serious social issues such as Kamille's poor relationship with his father. While the first episodes are dark, the last ten are UpToEleven due to a massive KillEmAll and a DownerEnding. [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2002-12-12/a-short-talk-with-yoshiyuki-tomino Tomino disliked this]] which apparently led to the changes in the compilation movies.

* FanonDiscontinuity: The movies for the several changes.

* TheScrappy: Katz Kobayashi, which the majority of the fans '''despised'''. Some people ''cheered'' when he [[spoiler: crashed into an asteroid during the finale]].
** Tomino unfortunately took all of the hubris out of the scene in the Compilation Films. Originally Katz bragged about how Yazan's shots couldn't hit him, only to be caught unaware and [[spoiler:crash into an asteroid]]. In the Compilation Films, the bragging is gone.
** Reccoa becomes one of these in record time following her [[spoiler: FaceHeelTurn]] [[ItsAllAboutMe and the reasoning for it.]])
** Beltochika as well, but she gets RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap in hear second appearance as noted above.
** Wong Lee, huge cheers when Judau punches him in the sequel.

* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: The movie receives this criticism for removing the DownerEnding, changing the roles of several characters which resulted in the impossibility of the ''Double Zeta'' story.
** Four, Beltorchika, and Katz are all prone to obnoxious bouts of self-pity too. Then again, two of them ''are'' teenagers (and one's ''very'' mindscrewed) and the other is ''extremely'' naive in regards to war.

* {{Wangst}}: Kamille, especially. It's not even a girl's name, you know.

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Apolly, to an extent. He had by far the most character of the minor cast and [[spoiler: he almost made it to the end despite being a Mook Rick Dias pilot, only dying because he was protecting Fa.]] Almost everyone who watched the show likes him, but it really didn't come apparent until him and the other minor Z Gundam pilots were removed in the ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' games to make room for the [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamZZ Gundam ZZ]] pilots. Thankfully, he and Roberto help represent Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam in SRW Z and ''[[VideoGame/SuperRobotWars64 SRW 64]]'' as well.

* JerkassWoobie: Kamille Bidan. Four Murasame is one as well; no matter how sorry you feel for her, she's still the one who burns down Hong Kong while laughing about it in her first appearance.

** Kamille's dad Franklin was a huge jerk and he showed it via [[DomesticAbuser slapping his wife Hilda]] when she calls him out on his crap and [[spoiler: regarding her death very coldly]], but it ''really'' shines when [[spoiler: he tries to [[OffingTheOffspring kill Kamille]] in battle despite Kamille pleading with him to not fight. It's a ''relief'' when Quattro decides to kill Franklin with his own mecha.]]

** The grim consequences of Titans' nerve gassing operations became more horrifying with the condemnation of the government's use of chemical weapons on rebels and civilians in UsefulNotes/Syria by the government in TheNewTens, decades after show's release.

* HarsherInHindsight: Knowing what will happen in Char's Counterattack, several of Quattro's interactions in the early series hit this. When discussing the gassed colony Char brings up the need for people to leave Earth and migrate into space as part of the protest, which is a major part of his schemes in the movie. Especially when Quattro discusses the [[AMillionIsAStatistic mentality]] behind it; he disparages it but ultimately he would apply a similar mentality.

* MagnificentBastard:
** Char reappears, see [[YMMV/MobileSuitGundam the previous work's page]] for details.
** "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]] -- is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.
** Haman Khan is introduced, see [[YMMV/MobileSuitGundamZZ her main work's page]] for details.

** "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]] -- is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Karn of Axis, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

** "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]] -- is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Khan of Neo Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

** "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]] -- is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Khan of Neo-Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

* MemeticLoser: An understated example as the Mk. II actually avails itself quite well and is quite well-liked, but it is a unit that isn't even that high-performing at its rollout and gets more and more left in the dust as the series goes on and its status as a mediocre unit is often the subject of jokes. Its loser status is likely referenced in ''VideoGame/SuperRobotWars'' which has a CaptainErsatz of Gundams called the Huckebein. The Huckebein Mk. II was a meh unit, while the Mk. I and III are both amazing units.

** "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]] -- is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the district in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Khan of Neo Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheProtagonist Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.

** "The Man from Jupiter" -- [[DarkMessiah Titans Lieutenant Paptimus Scirocco]]--is an EnigmaticMinion who graduates to taking over the organization. A brilliant tactician both in and out of a mobile suit, Scirocco excels at reading potential in his subordinates and outmaneuvers the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG) to capture the strategic stronghold of the lunar city Von Braun. Leaving the day-to-day operations of the city in the hands of his antagonistic superior, Scirocco divulges the man's schemes to the AEUG and arranges for his death to gain more dominance within the Titans for himself. [[BigBadDuumvirate Forming an alliance with]] Haman Khan of Neo Zeon, Scirocco bolsters the strength of the Titans with the Axis military and [[TheStarscream personally assassinates the Titans leader]], Jamitov Hymem, assuming command over the syndicate and blaming Jamitov's death on Haman, rallying his forces to fight against her. Giving a former AEUG pilot he corrupted to his side an eloquent lecture on his ambitions for humanity, Scirocco engages the AEUG personally and reveals he has kept his alliance with Haman to revitalize the strength of his fleet. Even with his armada destroyed by the blast of a colony laser, Scirocco continues to fight [[TheHero Kamille Bidan]] and even in his dying moments, [[TakingYouWithMe destroys Kamille's consciousness]], unrelentingly unwilling to accept his vanquishment. Emotionally manipulative yet charming, charismatic and stylish, Scirocco proves himself to be every bit as brilliantly Machiavellian as he is mysterious.