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** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGuy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Kai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.

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** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGuy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Kai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who and everyone knows that Jiang Cheng is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.


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* While it's only heard once in both adaptations, Lan Xichen calling Lan Wangji "''didi''" is likely to be one of the most precious things you've ever heard.
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* TranslationTrainWreck: It's a reoccurring trope in any of the official translations of the novel's adaptations. It involves either incomprehensible grammar, severely erroneous mistranslation of names, titles, and terms, or both. By contrast, the FanTranslation is a lot more accurate (even if some terms of phrases still inevitably get LostInTranslation).

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* TranslationTrainWreck: It's a reoccurring trope in any of the official translations of the novel's adaptations. It involves either incomprehensible grammar, severely erroneous mistranslation of names, titles, and terms, or both. By contrast, the FanTranslation is {{Fan Translation}}s are a lot more accurate (even if some terms of phrases still inevitably get LostInTranslation).LostInTranslation, which the translators do take time to explain one by one if needed).
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** While no one's going to disagree that Jiang Fengmian was an exemplary father, there are some fans who tend to demonize him and talk about him as if he spent every day making Jiang Cheng's life miserable and being the root cause for all of his son's and Wei Wuxian's problems, as well as burdening Jiang Yanli with the sole responsibility of being her younger brothers' emotional support. His passivity and his more lenient treatment of Wei Wuxian did have the unintended effect of leaving everyone with some issues, but fans quickly forget that his wife is just as (or even more) responsible for contributing to the DysfunctionJunction that is their entire family.

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** While no one's going to disagree that Jiang Fengmian was an exemplary anything but a perfect father, there are some fans who tend to demonize him and talk about him as if he spent every day making Jiang Cheng's life miserable and being the root cause for all of his son's and Wei Wuxian's problems, as well as burdening Jiang Yanli with the sole responsibility of being her younger brothers' emotional support. His passivity and his more lenient treatment of Wei Wuxian did have the unintended effect of leaving everyone with some issues, but fans quickly forget that his wife is just as (or even more) responsible for contributing to the DysfunctionJunction that is their entire family.
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** Downplayed, considering the LighterAndSofter nature of the spinoff ''Mo Dao Zu Shi Q''. While Yu Ziyuan didn't do anything to Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng in the spinoff, when one remembers how much of a harridan she can be in canon -- combined with the negative influence she left on both young men -- the mishaps she gets thrown into in Episode 11 can count as some form of comeuppance for the fans who have a less than positive opinion of her.

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** Downplayed, considering the LighterAndSofter nature of the spinoff ''Mo Dao Zu Shi Q''. While Yu Ziyuan didn't doesn't do anything to Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng in the spinoff, when one remembers how much of a harridan she can be in canon -- combined with the abuse and negative influence she left on both young men -- the mishaps she gets thrown into in Episode 11 can count as some form of comeuppance for the fans who have a less than positive less-than-positive opinion of her.

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* CatharsisFactor: The manner in which Wei Wuxian dealt with Wen Chao in the novel might be a little hard to stomach for some readers, to the point that some readers (albeit understandably) feel a bit sorry for the latter. However, the way Wei Wuxian executes his revenge in the ''donghua'' leaves all the viewers with no problems in watching Wen Chao get his gruesome comeuppance.

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The manner in which Wei Wuxian dealt with Wen Chao in the novel might be a little hard to stomach for some readers, to the point that some readers (albeit understandably) feel a bit sorry for the latter. However, the way Wei Wuxian executes his revenge in the ''donghua'' leaves all the viewers with no problems in watching Wen Chao get his gruesome comeuppance.
** Downplayed, considering the LighterAndSofter nature of the spinoff ''Mo Dao Zu Shi Q''. While Yu Ziyuan didn't do anything to Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng in the spinoff, when one remembers how much of a harridan she can be in canon -- combined with the negative influence she left on both young men -- the mishaps she gets thrown into in Episode 11 can count as some form of comeuppance for the fans who have a less than positive opinion of her.

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** In the English side of the fandom, while it was someone asking to have someone spoil The Untamed in a reditt post, the response below birthed the meme of "Everyone is Jin Ling's uncle".
-->'''Anonymous:''' can someone spoil me for the Untamed\\
'''Responder:''' Jin Ling's uncle dies to bring back Jin Ling's uncle, who was killed by Jin Ling's uncle except not really and he teams up with Jin Ling's future uncle-in-law to solve the mystery of mutilated body that turns out to be Jin Ling's uncle who was killed by Jin Ling's uncle and this all culminates in a confrontation which Jin Ling's uncle, Jin Ling's future uncle-in-law, Jin Ling's uncle, and Jin Ling's uncle confront Jin Ling's uncle who is stabbed by Jin Ling's uncle and killed by the resentful ghost of Jin Ling's uncle and this was secretly orchestrated by Jin Ling's uncle.\\
'''Anonymous:''' thanks this helps



** There are members of the Western fandom [[NoYay who don't take kindly to shipping Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng together]] due to believing that they're technically foster brothers, even though martial and adoptive brothers are entirely different from the others. There are others who argue that they are nevertheless not related by blood in any form and they see each other more as brothers-in-arms than actual brothers. Other than that, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment tread carefully when you're discussing your opinion about this ship.]]

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** There are members of the Western fandom [[NoYay who don't take kindly to shipping Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng together]] due to believing that they're technically foster brothers, even though martial and adoptive brothers are entirely different from the others.other. There are others who argue that they are nevertheless not related by blood in any form and they see each other more as brothers-in-arms than actual brothers. Other than that, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment tread carefully when you're discussing your opinion about this ship.]]
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** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGuy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Jai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.

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** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGuy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Jai Kai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.
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*** For one specific example, Zhang Jie is one of ''the'' most prolific voice actors in China, and his voice is easily recognizable anywhere after you hear only one or two of his roles. However, in the ''donghua'' he gets to show off just how much range he has as Wei Wuxian with how differently and effectively the tone and depth of his voice sounds depending on Wei Wuxian's mood and age.
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** If you're part of the English-speaking fandom, you would do better to not mention anything about [[spoiler: the golden core transplant or when Wen Ning reveals it]], especially if you're bringing it up to someone to someone who has strong feelings about Jiang Cheng, whether they're positive or negative.


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* InformedWrongness: Some fans claim that Wei Wuxian was nothing but disrespectful when he appeared at Koi Tower and intimidated Jin Zixun into telling him where he imprisoned the surviving members of the Wen Clan, and thus he deserves the public scorn of the cultivation world. However, if one looks into the scene properly, Wei Wuxian was aware that he crashed a party that he was not invited to. He also approached everyone in a calm and respectful manner, and initially asked Jin Zixun that they talk in private so as to not disturb anyone else. It's only after Jin Zixun repeatedly rebuffs him and talks to him in a rude and boisterous tone, with Jin Guangshan making his sinister intentions known by publicly asking him for possession of the Yin Tiger Seal, does Wei Wuxian decide to forgo the politeness and proceed to use a blunter approach. Even then, it still takes a few more aggressive comments from Jin Zixun until Wei Wuxian actually threatens to use force unless Jin Zixun tells him what he wants to know. When Jin Zixun finally caves, Wei Wuxian lampshades that the entire situation could have been avoided had he just been willing to speak with him civilly from the start.
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** Consequently, Jiang Fengmian is rather divisive in the fandom. No one's going to argue about the fact that while he's not a ''bad'' person, he's in no way a good ''father''. However, there are some who argue as to whether he's still likable in spite of his poor parenting skills or the other way around. And then there's the debate of whether he's worse than his wife or not, which can turn into a lengthy discussion. This is complicated by the fact by ''Asian'' standards Jiang Fengmian isn't anything special as a parent, fitting into the actual position and approach to parenting that real-life Asian fathers do; something which is naturally lost on Western audiences as it is outside their own experiences.

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** Consequently, Jiang Fengmian is rather divisive in the fandom. No one's going to argue about the fact that while he's not a ''bad'' person, he's in no way a good great ''father''. However, there are some who argue as to whether he's still likable in spite of his poor parenting skills or the other way around. And then there's the debate of whether he's worse than his wife or not, which can turn into a lengthy discussion. This is complicated by the fact by ''Asian'' standards Jiang Fengmian isn't anything special as a parent, fitting into the actual position and approach to parenting that real-life Asian fathers do; something which is naturally lost on Western audiences as it is outside their own experiences.



** There are members of both the Eastern and Western fandoms [[NoYay who don't take kindly to shipping Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng together]], since they're technically foster brothers. There are others who argue that while they ''are'' foster brothers and have a brotherly relationship, they are nevertheless not related by blood in any form, and they see each other more as brothers-in-arms than actual brothers. Other than that, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment tread carefully when you're discussing your opinion about this ship.]]

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** There are members of both the Eastern and Western fandoms fandom [[NoYay who don't take kindly to shipping Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng together]], since together]] due to believing that they're technically foster brothers. brothers, even though martial and adoptive brothers are entirely different from the others. There are others who argue that while they ''are'' foster brothers and have a brotherly relationship, they are nevertheless not related by blood in any form, form and they see each other more as brothers-in-arms than actual brothers. Other than that, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment tread carefully when you're discussing your opinion about this ship.]]



** Filipino fans can't help but laugh at Jiang Cheng's sword's name of Sandu being renamed to Sandoku, since it sounds just like "sandok", the Tagalog word for a ''ladle''.

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** Filipino fans can't help but laugh at Jiang Cheng's sword's name of Sandu being renamed to Sandoku, Sandoku in Japanese, since it sounds just like "sandok", the Tagalog word for a ''ladle''.



** While no one's going to disagree that Jiang Fengmian was anything but a good father, there are some fans who tend to demonize him and talk about him as if he spent every day making Jiang Cheng's life miserable and being the root cause for all of his son's and Wei Wuxian's problems, as well as burdening Jiang Yanli with the sole responsibility of being her younger brothers' emotional support. His passivity and his more lenient treatment of Wei Wuxian did have the unintended effect of leaving everyone with some issues, but fans quickly forget that his wife is just as (or even more) responsible for contributing to the DysfunctionJunction that is their entire family.

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** While no one's going to disagree that Jiang Fengmian was anything but a good an exemplary father, there are some fans who tend to demonize him and talk about him as if he spent every day making Jiang Cheng's life miserable and being the root cause for all of his son's and Wei Wuxian's problems, as well as burdening Jiang Yanli with the sole responsibility of being her younger brothers' emotional support. His passivity and his more lenient treatment of Wei Wuxian did have the unintended effect of leaving everyone with some issues, but fans quickly forget that his wife is just as (or even more) responsible for contributing to the DysfunctionJunction that is their entire family.
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** While they're not exactly [[{{Scrappy}} scrappies]], Jiang Fengmian and Yu Ziyuan are two of the most controversial characters of the novel. Even then, it's hard not to feel sorry for them when they got killed by the Wen Sect, with many fans saying while they're far from GoodParents, they didn't deserve to die the way they did. However, there are some who, while they don't take any glee in what happened, don't feel sad about it either and only find the tragedy in Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng's reactions to their deaths.

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** While they're not exactly [[{{Scrappy}} scrappies]], Jiang Fengmian and Yu Ziyuan are two of the most controversial characters of the novel. Even then, it's hard not to feel sorry for them when they got killed by the Wen Sect, Clan, with many fans saying while they're far from GoodParents, they didn't deserve to die the way they did. However, there are some who, while they don't take any glee in what happened, don't feel sad about it either and only find the tragedy in Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng's reactions to their deaths.



** Many fans run with the idea that Jiang Cheng was the one who took care of Jin Ling since the latter was still a baby. However, many forget that Jin Ling is of the ''Jin'' Sect and thus would grow up and spend most of his time in Lanling, not in Yunmeng. While Jiang Cheng undoubtedly helped raise and mentor Jin Ling, he's not his primary guardian.

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** Many fans run with the idea that Jiang Cheng was the one who took care of Jin Ling since the latter was still a baby. However, many forget that Jin Ling is of the ''Jin'' Sect Clan and thus would grow up and spend most of his time in Lanling, not in Yunmeng. While Jiang Cheng undoubtedly helped raise and mentor Jin Ling, he's not his primary guardian.



** Once again, this is only from the minority, but once in a while you might come upon a post where a fan dismisses Wei Wuxian and accuses the entire story of ''Mo Dao Zu Shi'' running on a ProtagonistCenteredMorality, simply due to the fact that the story ends in a BittersweetEnding where Wei Wuxian gets his happy sendoff whereas Jiang Cheng doesn't. They would even go to accuse him of robbing Jiang Cheng of his happy ending, deliberately screwing him over since they were children, as well as not giving a fig about his feelings -- all of which sound similar to the lies that the other sects had been feeding Jiang Cheng to weaken his relationship with Wei Wuxian.

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** Once again, this is only from the minority, but once in a while you might come upon a post where a fan dismisses Wei Wuxian and accuses the entire story of ''Mo Dao Zu Shi'' running on a ProtagonistCenteredMorality, simply due to the fact that the story ends in a BittersweetEnding where Wei Wuxian gets his happy sendoff whereas Jiang Cheng doesn't. They would even go to accuse him of robbing Jiang Cheng of his happy ending, deliberately screwing him over since they were children, as well as not giving a fig about his feelings -- all of which sound similar to the lies that the other sects clans had been feeding Jiang Cheng to weaken his relationship with Wei Wuxian.



** Sect Leader Yao. He's a very minor character, yet is easily seen as a HateSink because no one knows anything about him besides being a brown-nosing bandwagon-rider, a condescending sexist, and having nothing good to say about Wei Wuxian or anything and anyone else for that matter... and that's why ''nobody'' likes him. Aside from Jin Guangshan, he's the only other character who makes Wen Chao look outright decent. What's worse is that he's a KarmaHoudini who doesn't even get to at least lose an arm (or his tongue, for that matter), although some fans might find some reprieve in the final arc when [[TakeThatScrappy Jin Ling yells at him to shut his mouth]] when the bastard [[RealMenDontCry chides him for crying]].

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** Sect Clan Leader Yao. He's a very minor character, yet is easily seen as a HateSink because no one knows anything about him besides being a brown-nosing bandwagon-rider, a condescending sexist, and having nothing good to say about Wei Wuxian or anything and anyone else for that matter... and that's why ''nobody'' likes him. Aside from Jin Guangshan, he's the only other character who makes Wen Chao look outright decent. What's worse is that he's a KarmaHoudini who doesn't even get to at least lose an arm (or his tongue, for that matter), although some fans might find some reprieve in the final arc when [[TakeThatScrappy Jin Ling yells at him to shut his mouth]] when the bastard [[RealMenDontCry chides him for crying]].
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** In the English side of the fandom, while it was someone asking to have someone spoil The Untamed in a reditt post, the response below birthed the meme of "Everyone is Jin Ling's uncle".
-->'''Anonymous:''' can someone spoil me for the Untamed\\
'''Responder:''' Jin Ling's uncle dies to bring back Jin Ling's uncle, who was killed by Jin Ling's uncle except not really and he teams up with Jin Ling's future uncle-in-law to solve the mystery of mutilated body that turns out to be Jin Ling's uncle who was killed by Jin Ling's uncle and this all culminates in a confrontation which Jin Ling's uncle, Jin Ling's future uncle-in-law, Jin Ling's uncle, and Jin Ling's uncle confront Jin Ling's uncle who is stabbed by Jin Ling's uncle and killed by the resentful ghost of Jin Ling's uncle and this was secretly orchestrated by Jin Ling's uncle.\\
'''Anonymous:''' thanks this helps

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: As stated below, the second season of the ''donghua'' received some criticism due to its short length, which cramped up some crucial parts of the story such as Wei Wuxian's downfall as the Yiling Patriarch, which is one of the most important plot points of the novel. In the director's livestream on February 16, 2020, Xiong Ke confirmed that Season 3 would be twelve episodes long (whether that's the total or the minimum length is still ambiguous, however) and that the team would take the time it needs to properly adapt the necessary material for the oncoming season -- much to the fans' collective relief.
** However, Tencent would soon undo this by revealing that the third season of the ''donghua'' will be the last, which leaves many fans worried and skeptical as to how B.C. May will be able to cram the rest of the story into 12 episodes even with their best efforts. It didn't already help that 45 episodes was initially promised before ExecutiveMeddling whittled it down to 35 episodes instead, in spite of the revenue that the ''donghua'' is netting Tencent.

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second season of the ''donghua'' received some criticism due to its short length, which cramped up some crucial parts of the story such as Wei Wuxian's downfall as the Yiling Patriarch, which is one of the most important plot points of the novel. In the director's livestream on February 16, 2020, Xiong Ke confirmed that Season 3 would be twelve episodes long (whether that's the total or the minimum length is still ambiguous, however) and that the team would take the time it needs to properly adapt the necessary material for the oncoming season -- much to the fans' collective relief.
** *** However, Tencent would soon undo this by revealing that the third season of the ''donghua'' will be the last, which leaves many fans worried and skeptical as to how B.C. May will be able to cram the rest of the story into 12 episodes even with their best efforts. It didn't already help that 45 episodes was initially promised before ExecutiveMeddling whittled it down to 35 episodes instead, instead in spite of the revenue that the ''donghua'' is netting Tencent.Tencent.
** Many viewers felt that Wen Yuan's appearance in the ''donghua'' was woefully short. This is rectified in the LighterAndSofter spin-off, where he plays a bigger role in the episodes that focus on Wei Wuxian's life as the Yiling Patriarch.
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** Be careful to not call the novel and some of its adaptations "''The Untamed'' [novel/animation/manhua]", which is the title of [[LiveActionAdaptation the live-action drama]]. Whether you did it by mistake or not, fans will quickly remind you why that's something you should avoid doing, especially since while ''The Untamed'' is mostly loyal to the novel's plot, it still took plenty of liberties that sets it apart from the source material.

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** Be careful to not call the novel and some of its adaptations "''The Untamed'' [novel/animation/manhua]", which is the title of [[LiveActionAdaptation the live-action drama]]. Whether you did it by mistake or not, fans will quickly remind you why that's something you should avoid doing, especially since while ''The Untamed'' is mostly loyal to generally follows the novel's plot, plot of the novel, it still took plenty of liberties that sets it apart from the source material.
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** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGUy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Jai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.
** This will not be the last time Wu Lei voices a Mo Xiang Tong Xiu character who [[Literature/RenZhaFanPaiZiJiuXiTong suffers the fate of losing his eyes and tongue (in the original iteration of the InUniverse plot, at least)]].

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** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGUy NiceGuy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Jai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.
** This will not be the last time Wu Lei voices a Mo Xiang Tong Xiu character who [[Literature/RenZhaFanPaiZiJiuXiTong suffers the fate of losing his eyes and tongue (in the original iteration of the InUniverse in-universe plot, at least)]].
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** However, Tencent would soon undo this by revealing that the third season of the ''donghua'' will be the last, which leaves many fans worried and skeptical as to how B.C. May will be able to cram the rest of the story into 12 episodes even with their best efforts. It didn't already help that 45 episodes was initially promised before ExecutiveMeddling whittled it down to 35 episodes instead, in spite of the revenue that the ''donghua'' is netting Tencent.


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** This will not be the last time Wu Lei voices a Mo Xiang Tong Xiu character who [[Literature/RenZhaFanPaiZiJiuXiTong suffers the fate of losing his eyes and tongue (in the original iteration of the InUniverse plot, at least)]].

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** Many love to entertain the idea of Wei Wuxian forming and leading his own sect, which is dubbed the Yiling Wei Sect by many fans.



* MisaimedFandom: There are members of both the Eastern and Western fandoms [[NoYay who don't take kindly to shipping Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng together]], since they're technically foster brothers. There are others who argue that while they ''are'' foster brothers and have a brotherly relationship, they are nevertheless not related by blood in any form, and they see each other more as brothers-in-arms than actual brothers. Other than that, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment tread carefully when you're discussing your opinion about this ship.]]

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There are members of both the Eastern and Western fandoms [[NoYay who don't take kindly to shipping Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng together]], since they're technically foster brothers. There are others who argue that while they ''are'' foster brothers and have a brotherly relationship, they are nevertheless not related by blood in any form, and they see each other more as brothers-in-arms than actual brothers. Other than that, [[Administrivia/RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment tread carefully when you're discussing your opinion about this ship.]] ]]
** One of the most popular gags that the fandom likes to bring up is how Lan Xichen is the biggest ShipperOnDeck for [=WangXian=]. However, anyone who reads the complete canon material will realize that it's actually inaccurate; while Lan Xichen did encourage his younger brother to befriend Wei Wuxian in the past, his opinion of Wei Wuxian became more and more negative over time, and under the misassumption that Wei Wuxian knew of Lan Wangji's feelings but continued to toy with him, called him the only mistake (or the reason behind the only mistake) his brother ever made. While those words were said out of BigBrotherInstinct, they're still not the words you'd hear from a ShipperOnDeck, right?
** Many fans run with the idea that Jiang Cheng was the one who took care of Jin Ling since the latter was still a baby. However, many forget that Jin Ling is of the ''Jin'' Sect and thus would grow up and spend most of his time in Lanling, not in Yunmeng. While Jiang Cheng undoubtedly helped raise and mentor Jin Ling, he's not his primary guardian.

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** The animation team did well in blending the ConspicuousCGI into [=2D=] and making it work. Even then, there are a few instances when it just ''doesn't'', with the [=3D=]-rendered Tortoise of Slaughter in the first season as a noteworthy example.

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** The animation team did well in [[TwoDVisualsThreeDEffects blending the ConspicuousCGI CGI into [=2D=] 2D]] and making it work. Even then, there are a few instances when it just ''doesn't'', with the [=3D=]-rendered Tortoise of Slaughter in the first season as a noteworthy example.
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* In the Latin American corner of the fandom, deforming the character's names because of their similarity with words in Spanish. Such as the aforementioned Wi-Fi for WWX, "lancha" (lit. 'boat') for Lan Zhan, "Guayaba" ('guava') for Jin Guangyao and calling Jian Cheng "Juan Carlos" because the initials are the same.
** Also from the Latin American fandom, calling Jin Guangyao all manner of weird nicknames based on his shortness. Such as "the Murder Flea" or "el Chaneque" (Chaneques being creatures from Mexican folclore that were short and mischievous, appearing near bodies of water to play pranks on anyone who got close. Nowadays the name is used to refer to people who are both short and annoying, or just short).

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* ** In the Latin American corner of the fandom, deforming the character's names because of their similarity with words in Spanish. Such as the aforementioned Wi-Fi for WWX, "lancha" (lit. 'boat') for Lan Zhan, "Guayaba" ('guava') for Jin Guangyao and calling Jian Cheng "Juan Carlos" because the initials are the same.
** *** Also from the Latin American fandom, calling Jin Guangyao all manner of weird nicknames based on his shortness. Such as "the Murder Flea" or "el Chaneque" (Chaneques being creatures from Mexican folclore that were short and mischievous, appearing near bodies of water to play pranks on anyone who got close. Nowadays the name is used to refer to people who are both short and annoying, or just short).
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* In the Latin American corner of the fandom, deforming the character's names because of their similarity with words in Spanish. Such as the aforementioned Wi-Fi for WWX, "lancha" (lit. 'boat') for Lan Zhan, "Guayaba" ('guava') for Jin Guangyao and calling Jian Cheng "Juan Carlos" because the initials are the same.
** Also from the Latin American fandom, calling Jin Guangyao all manner of weird nicknames based on his shortness. Such as "the Murder Flea" or "el Chaneque" (Chaneques being creatures from Mexican folclore that were short and mischievous, appearing near bodies of water to play pranks on anyone who got close. Nowadays the name is used to refer to people who are both short and annoying, or just short).
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** There's no denying that Yu Ziyuan genuinely loved her children and had understandable grievances with her husband for his distant relationship with their son. But any compassion that can be invoked from that is outweighed by her extremely horrible treatment of Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng, which makes her come across as hypocritical. Not to mention, the last words she imparted to Wei Wuxian did more lasting damage to her son than she would have ever anticipated. Even those who aren't fond of Jiang Cheng's character acknowledge that they could see where his more unlikable traits came from.

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** There's no denying that Yu Ziyuan genuinely loved did love her children and had somewhat understandable grievances with her husband for his distant relationship with their son. But any compassion that can be invoked from that is outweighed by her extremely horrible treatment of Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng, which makes her come across as hypocritical. Not to mention, the last words she imparted to Wei Wuxian did more lasting damage to her son than she would have ever anticipated. Even those who aren't fond of Jiang Cheng's character acknowledge that they could see where his more unlikable traits came from.

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** It's difficult to find a single word that can succinctly describe the relationship between Wei Wuxian, Lan Wangji, and Lan Sizhui. The Eastern fandom widely agrees that from a technical standpoint, both Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji are Lan Sizhui's guardians and as such, Lan Sizhui is essentially their ward. On the other hand, while the Western fandom is mostly in agreement that their relationship is familial in nature, many fans are disputed on whether Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji can also qualify as Lan Sizhui's adoptive ''fathers'', as the role of parents and guardians are, while similar, not entirely the same. However, other fans had pointed out that whatever term is used, it doesn't downplay the significance of the deep relationship that the three share and thus it shouldn't be a point of contention.



* HilariousInHindsight: Su Shangqing, Jin Ling's voice actor in the ''donghua'', expressed his interest in voicing Jin Guangyao if he wasn't cast as Jin Ling. Two years later, he would eventually voice Jin Guangyao in ''The Untamed''.

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Su Shangqing, Jin Ling's voice actor in the ''donghua'', expressed his interest in voicing Jin Guangyao if he wasn't cast as Jin Ling. Two years later, he would eventually voice Jin Guangyao in ''The Untamed''.
** Similarly, in the audio drama, Wang Kai voiced Lan Xichen, who is an overall NiceGUy and a CoolBigBro to Lan Wangji. Wang Jai would later go on to voice Jiang Cheng in ''Series/TheUntamed'', who is anything ''but'' a NiceGuy and has an extremely poor relationship with Lan Wangji.
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** While no one's going to disagree that Jiang Fengmian was anything but a good father, there are some fans who tend to demonize him and talk about him as if he spent every day making Jiang Cheng's life miserable and being the root cause for all of his son's and Wei Wuxian's problems, as well as burdening Jiang Yanli with the sole responsibility of being her younger brothers' emotional support. His passivity and his more lenient treatment of Wei Wuxian did have the unintended effect of leaving everyone with some issues, but fans quickly forget that his wife is equally (or depending on your opinion, even more) responsible for contributing to the DysfunctionJunction that is their entire family.

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** While no one's going to disagree that Jiang Fengmian was anything but a good father, there are some fans who tend to demonize him and talk about him as if he spent every day making Jiang Cheng's life miserable and being the root cause for all of his son's and Wei Wuxian's problems, as well as burdening Jiang Yanli with the sole responsibility of being her younger brothers' emotional support. His passivity and his more lenient treatment of Wei Wuxian did have the unintended effect of leaving everyone with some issues, but fans quickly forget that his wife is equally just as (or depending on your opinion, even more) responsible for contributing to the DysfunctionJunction that is their entire family.

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* The childishness Lan Wangji displays whether he's sober or drunk (but ''especially'' when he's drunk) is as hilarious as it is endearing.

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* ** The childishness Lan Wangji displays whether he's sober or drunk (but ''especially'' when he's drunk) is as hilarious as it is endearing.


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** Jin Ling's brattiness and his [[{{Tsundere}} hot-and-cold attitude]] makes him both hilariously annoying yet also lovable.
** Not that many get to see Jin Zixuan act as such, until his {{Tsundere}} side shows itself. It becomes even more transparent whenever he tries to romance Jiang Yanli or performs romantic gestures for her.
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* {{Adorkable}}:
* The childishness Lan Wangji displays whether he's sober or drunk (but ''especially'' when he's drunk) is as hilarious as it is endearing.
** It's a given with his kind heart and shy demeanor, and even the fans unanimously agree that Wen Ning is an utter sweetheart.
** Lan Xichen, when drunk, is essentially a hyperactive and happy goofball.
** The ''manhua'' and some of the ''donghua's'' promotional artwork show a younger Jiang Cheng melt in the presence of dogs, and it's sweet to see.
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** Every instance of people demanding Wei Wuxian stop using demonic cultivation or scold him for not using his sword, whether out of jealousy or actual concern, becomes much more bitter and heartbreaking [[spoiler:when it is revealed Wei Wuxian gave up his golden core to Jiang Cheng and is incapable of cultivating as normal.]] This is true even in-universe in the case of Lan Wangji.
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* HeartwarmingInHindsight: The flashback featuring a younger Lan Wangji gifting his rattle drum to Wei Wuxian is sweet enough on its own, but ''Mo Dao Zu Shi Q'' adds another level of touching to the scene when it reveals that the rattle drum was originally a gift from Lan Wangji's mother.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Xue Yang has crossed this repeatedly. [[spoiler: Massacring the Chang clan in revenge for one lost pinkie crossed it once. Massacring the White Snow Temple and blinding Song Lan crossed it again. The third time was tricking Xiao Xingchen into killing innocent civilians and Song Lan]]. Even Wei Wuxian, who had done some unsavory things during the Sunshot Campaign, summarized it best: ''"Xue Yang must die"''.

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Xue Yang has crossed this repeatedly. [[spoiler: Massacring the Chang clan in revenge for one lost pinkie crossed it once. Massacring the White Snow Temple and blinding Song Lan crossed it again. The third time was tricking Xiao Xingchen into killing innocent civilians and Song Lan]]. Even Wei Wuxian, who had done some unsavory things during the Sunshot Campaign, summarized it best: ''"Xue Yang must die"''.die"''.
** If persecuting Wei Wuxian in the Nightless City wasn't enough, then [[spoiler: massacring a group of innocents and throwing their corpses in a pool of blood definitely counts]] for almost everyone of the cultivation world. Besides Lan Wangji, almost no one is exempt from being guilty of this.
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** Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji's sexual life has clear undertones of a dominant-submissive dynamic, with Wei Wuxian being the submissive and Lan Wangji being the dominant. While such a dynamic is commonly portrayed in Chinese media, whether in ''danmei'' or in other genres, many fans from the Western fandom easily make the misassumption that [=WangXian's=] relationship follows the cliches in the yaoi genre that are widely considered to be problematic. However, those who are familiar with the aforementioned dynamic that [=WangXian's=] relationship is entire equal, and one is simply the bottom mwhile the other is the top in bed because it's their preference.

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** Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji's sexual life has clear undertones of a dominant-submissive dynamic, with Wei Wuxian being the submissive and Lan Wangji being the dominant. While such a dynamic is commonly portrayed in Chinese media, whether in ''danmei'' or in other genres, many fans from the Western fandom easily make the misassumption that [=WangXian's=] relationship follows the cliches in the yaoi genre that are widely considered to be problematic. However, those who are familiar with the aforementioned dynamic that [=WangXian's=] relationship is entire equal, and one is simply the bottom mwhile while the other is the top in bed because it's their preference.

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* HarsherInHindsight: After the finale reveals how Jiang Cheng got caught by the Wens, the part where Jiang Cheng asks Wei Wuxian, "Why did you save me?" becomes much more emotionally difficult to read/watch.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
** Back during their time at Cloud Recesses, a teen Lan Wangji tells Wei Wuxian to "Get out!" after a prank. It is hilarious even in-universe (due to out of character it is) but takes on a bitter tone when [[spoiler:you learn that the last thing Wei Wuxian said to Lan Wangji, when completely out of it due to trauma, in his previous life was "get out!" no matter how much he pleaded and begged.]]
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After the finale reveals how Jiang Cheng got caught by the Wens, the part where Jiang Cheng asks Wei Wuxian, "Why did you save me?" becomes much more emotionally difficult to read/watch.

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