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** Gary, to a number of readers. His abject spinelessness has crossed into unfunny territory more than once, while he can seem short on personality and tiresomely incurious.
** Some readers found it hard to sympathise with Sonya after Zii dumped her for [=DiDi=], feeling that her past behaviour made her look like a big {{hypocrite}} -- especially since her very first act as Zii and [=DiDi=] moved to leave was to [[MoralMyopia try to seduce DiDi away from Zii to prove a point]].
** Some readers found it hard to sympathise with Sonya after Zii dumped her for [=DiDi=], feeling that her past behaviour made her look like a big {{hypocrite}} -- especially since her very first act as Zii and [=DiDi=] moved to leave was to [[MoralMyopia try to seduce DiDi away from Zii to prove a point]].
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** Gary, to a number of readers. His abject spinelessness has crossed into unfunny territory more than once, while he can seem short on personality and tiresomely incurious.
incurious. Admittedly, his CharacterDevelopment turned out to be largely about fixing the spinelessness at least.
** Some readers found it hard to sympathise with Sonya after Zii dumped her for [=DiDi=], feeling that her past behaviour made her look like abig serious {{hypocrite}} -- especially since her very first act as Zii and [=DiDi=] moved to leave was to [[MoralMyopia try to seduce DiDi away from Zii to prove a point]].point]].
** By the last volume, it became clear from discussions on the comic’s boards, and comments there from the creators, that [=DiDi=] was meant to be somewhat more sympathetic than quite a few readers found her. She was apparently meant to be a ditz with emotional issues linked to her {{anorgasmia}}, but good-hearted and loyal, with real, passionate feelings fot Zii. However, the sheer number of jokes playing off her ditziness, her casual accidental cruelty to multiple boyfriends, and her obsessive pursuit of orgasms at any cost, made it all too easy to see her as a self-deluding, solipsistic moron — and her interest in Zii looked like it was about nothing but the orgasms.
** Some readers found it hard to sympathise with Sonya after Zii dumped her for [=DiDi=], feeling that her past behaviour made her look like a
** By the last volume, it became clear from discussions on the comic’s boards, and comments there from the creators, that [=DiDi=] was meant to be somewhat more sympathetic than quite a few readers found her. She was apparently meant to be a ditz with emotional issues linked to her {{anorgasmia}}, but good-hearted and loyal, with real, passionate feelings fot Zii. However, the sheer number of jokes playing off her ditziness, her casual accidental cruelty to multiple boyfriends, and her obsessive pursuit of orgasms at any cost, made it all too easy to see her as a self-deluding, solipsistic moron — and her interest in Zii looked like it was about nothing but the orgasms.
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** Yuki's lines [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/i_try_so_hard in]] [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/what_the_hell_was_that%EF%BC%9F these]] [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/dillon_is_our_girlfriend four]] [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/treat_girls_right strips]], considering the [[AllTakeAndNoGive path]] her relationship with Gary took, count as either Harsher or Hilarious, depending on how one views the situation as a whole.
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** Yuki's lines [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/i_try_so_hard in]] [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/what_the_hell_was_that%EF%BC%9F these]] [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/dillon_is_our_girlfriend four]] [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/treat_girls_right strips]], considering the [[AllTakeAndNoGive path]] path her relationship with Gary took, count as either Harsher or Hilarious, depending on how one views the situation as a whole.
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** If you pay attention to Gary's shirts they often reflect his moods or what's going on in the comic, or provide a humorous punchline. For example, in early comics he often wears an ComicBook/XMen logo, marking him as the only virgin in the cast; when Dillon moves back in he usually wears a Franchise/FantasticFour shirt, reflecting the four people who then live in the apartment; when he finally loses his virginity he's wearing a shirt that says [[Wrestling/ZackRyder WWWYKI]]; when Yuki forces him to touch [=DiDi=]'s breasts in an effort to help improve his art he's wearing an ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' one; when Yuki explains to him why she decided to move in he has Decepticon logo, because she's lying to him; and he wears a Kirby one when he visits Amber, referring to him continuously eating Yuki out.
** Gary is almost never shown standing up straight, but is usually hunched over. This reflects how extremely meek and beaten-down by life he is. His big character development at the start of volume 10 is reflected by him starting to, literally, walk tall; Zii barely recognises him.
* FridgeHorror: Given that [=DiDi's=] orgasm is apparently strong enough to makes fingers sprain, what do you think would happen if it was a man's ''penis'' that was inside her vagina at the time? (Though it's more probable that it was her thighs that hurt [[spoiler:Kiley]]'s hand, rather than her vagina ''per se''.)
** If you pay attention to Gary's shirts they often reflect his moods or what's going on in the comic, or provide a humorous punchline. For example, in early comics he often wears an ComicBook/XMen logo, marking him as the only virgin in the cast; when Dillon moves back in he usually wears a Franchise/FantasticFour shirt, reflecting the four people who then live in the apartment; when he finally loses his virginity he's wearing a shirt that says [[Wrestling/ZackRyder WWWYKI]]; when Yuki forces him to touch [=DiDi=]'s breasts in an effort to help improve his art he's wearing an ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' one; when Yuki explains to him why she decided to move in he has Decepticon logo, because she's lying to him; and he wears a Kirby one when he visits Amber, referring to him continuously eating Yuki out.
** Gary is almost never shown standing up straight, but is usually hunched over. This reflects how extremely meek and beaten-down by life he is. His big character development at the start of volume 10 is reflected by him starting to, literally, walk tall; Zii barely recognises him.
* FridgeHorror: Given that [=DiDi's=] orgasm is apparently strong enough to makes fingers sprain, what do you think would happen if it was a man's ''penis'' that was inside her vagina at the time? (Though it's more probable that it was her thighs that hurt [[spoiler:Kiley]]'s hand, rather than her vagina ''per se''.)
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* FaceOfTheBand: Although the other members of Zii’s bands may have their own parts to play in the comic’s story, the audience call out Zii’s name when they play a good gig — and both Yuki and Sonya acknowledge that she’s the leader.
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** The whole notion that the authors make changes to their story in reaction to fan complaining (and that the previous examples prove it) is, however, highly debatable -- as Giz [[http://oi67.tinypic.com/6xuold.jpg has confirmed]] that neither she nor co-author Dave pay attention to the forum and the opinions expressed there by the fans.
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** One of Zii's most controversial actions was when dealing with an underage internet troll she finds his home address and proceeds to go there, sleep with the child's mother, and causes the kid's parents to get divorced ... and ''that'' was the joke, that she broke up some poor kid's parents because he was an A-hole online. This gets a revisit much later in the comic, however, when Zii meets back up with the kid and while he admits the divorce was difficult, that his father really was a total bastard and now that they were divorced, his mother doesn't cry at night like she used to. It helps that during the second interaction Zii actually tries to genuinely apologizing for crossing the line, showing that she knew she crossed it, and the kid to instead thank Zii for helping his mother find happiness again.
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** One of Zii's most controversial actions was when dealing with an underage internet troll she finds his home address and proceeds to go there, sleep with the child's mother, and causes the kid's parents to get divorced ... and ''that'' was the joke, that she broke up some poor kid's parents because he was an A-hole online. This gets a revisit much later in the comic, however, when Zii meets back up with the kid and while he admits the divorce was difficult, he admits that his father really was a total bastard and now that they were divorced, his mother doesn't cry at night like she used to. It helps that during the second interaction Zii actually tries to genuinely apologizing for crossing the line, showing that she knew she crossed it, and the kid to instead thank Zii for helping his mother find happiness again.
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** One of Zii's most controversial actions was when dealing with an underage internet troll she finds his home address and proceeds to go there, sleep with the child's mother, and causes the kid's parents to get divorced ... and ''that'' was the joke, that she broke up some poor kid's parents because he was an A-hole online. This gets a revisit much later in the comic, however, when Zii meets back up with the kid and while he admits that while the divorce was difficult, that his father really was a total bastard and now that they were divorced, his mother doesn't cry at night like she used to. It helps that during the second interaction Zii actually tries to genuinely apologizing for crossing the line, showing that she knew she crossed it, and the kid to instead thank Zii for helping his mother find happiness again.
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** One of Zii's most controversial actions was when dealing with an underage internet troll she finds his home address and proceeds to go there, sleep with the child's mother, and causes the kid's parents to get divorced ... and ''that'' was the joke, that she broke up some poor kid's parents because he was an A-hole online. This gets a revisit much later in the comic, however, when Zii meets back up with the kid and while he admits that while the divorce was difficult, that his father really was a total bastard and now that they were divorced, his mother doesn't cry at night like she used to. It helps that during the second interaction Zii actually tries to genuinely apologizing for crossing the line, showing that she knew she crossed it, and the kid to instead thank Zii for helping his mother find happiness again.
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** One of Zii's most controversial actions was when dealing with an underage internet troll she finds his home address and proceeds to go there, sleep with the child's mother, and causes the kid's parents to get divorced ... and ''that'' was the joke, that she broke up some poor kid's parents because he was an A-hole online. This gets a revisit much later in the comic, however, when Zii meets back up with the kid and while he admits that while the divorce was difficult, that his father really was a total bastard and now that they were divorced, his mother doesn't cry at night like she used to. It helps that during the second interaction Zii actually tries to genuinely apologizing for crossing the line, showing that she knew she crossed it, and the kid to instead thank Zii for helping his mother find happiness again.
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* FlameBait: They change through time but are a distinct flavour of the discussion boards.
** When she dated Gary, and even moreso when she was swirly-addicted, any discussion about Yuki was this.
** Discussions about Senna (who is a pre-op transexual) tend to descend into bickering about the nature of transexual people in general. While unrelated, the fact that Senna is clearly nuts doesn't help.
** Are Matt and Kiley (becoming) a couple? Nobody knows but everybody has an opinion. Cue neverending discussions.
** When she dated Gary, and even moreso when she was swirly-addicted, any discussion about Yuki was this.
** Discussions about Senna (who is a pre-op transexual) tend to descend into bickering about the nature of transexual people in general. While unrelated, the fact that Senna is clearly nuts doesn't help.
** Are Matt and Kiley (becoming) a couple? Nobody knows but everybody has an opinion. Cue neverending discussions.
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** Is Lynn the ClosetKey for Maura's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]] and are in a legitimate relationship, or is she simply exploiting her masculine physique for the sake of her own gratification and Maura is in a tangled web of her own [[CompetitionFreak competitive instincts]], [[FanGirl admiration]], [[WomenPreferStrongMen physical preferences]], [[StupidSexyFlanders misplaced heterosexual appreciation]], and [[ExactWords denial]].
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** Is Lynn the ClosetKey for Maura's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]] and are they're in a legitimate relationship, or is she simply exploiting her masculine physique for the sake of her own gratification and Maura is in a tangled web of her own [[CompetitionFreak competitive instincts]], [[FanGirl admiration]], [[WomenPreferStrongMen physical preferences]], [[StupidSexyFlanders misplaced heterosexual appreciation]], and [[ExactWords denial]].
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** Is Lynn the ClosetKey for Maura's [[BiTheWay bisexuality]] and are in a legitimate relationship, or is she simply exploiting her masculine physique for the sake of her own gratification and Maura is in a tangled web of her own [[CompetitionFreak competitive instincts]], [[FanGirl admiration]], [[WomenPreferStrongMen physical preferences]], [[StupidSexyFlanders misplaced heterosexual appreciation]], and [[ExactWords denial]].
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/reasons-we-clicked Here]], Gary accidentally catches Peggy on a date with an old collage [[ExperimentedInCollege roommate/girlfriend]], Bianca, and they seem to be reigniting the relationship. However, it's revealed that after college [[OutsideContextProblem Bianca became an international spy who's been targeted by assassins]]. This has no barring on the plot of the story beyond pushing Peggy back to Gary, and it comes completely out of nowhere.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/reasons-we-clicked Here]], Gary accidentally catches sees Peggy on a date with an old collage college [[ExperimentedInCollege roommate/girlfriend]], Bianca, and they seem to be reigniting the relationship. However, it's revealed that after college [[OutsideContextProblem Bianca became an international spy who's been now being targeted by assassins]]. This has no barring bearing on the plot of the story beyond pushing Peggy back to Gary, and it comes completely out of nowhere.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/reasons-we-clicked Here]], Gary accidentally catches Peggy on a date with an old collage [[ExperimentedInCollege roommate/girlfriend]], Bianca, and they seem to be reigniting the relationship. However, it's revealed that after college [[OutsideContextProblem Bianca became an international spy who's been targeted by assassins]]. This has no barring on the plot of the story beyond pushing Peggy back to Gary, and it comes completely out of nowhere.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
** The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act, and through downright ''insultingly'' idiotic misunderstandings he ends up wanting Gary to give him a blowjob.
** The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act, and through downright ''insultingly'' idiotic misunderstandings he ends up wanting Gary to give him a blowjob.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot:
**StrangledByTheRedString may be played with or played straight when Zii and [=DiDi=] get together. Previously, ever since the comic began, Zii's attraction to [=DiDi=] appeared to be based entirely on lust, while [=DiDi=] treated Zii purely as a platonic friend; however, [=DiDi=] apparently convinces herself that they have a romantic bond (which is necessary for her to achieve orgasm), and after [[http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/do-you-remember one strip of flashbacks to previous not-obviously-romantic events,]] Zii apparently agrees, leading both of them to treat what they have as a love affair. On the other hand, [=DiDi=] has never had much in the way of self-knowledge, while Zii's responses to her still seem mostly to be driven by her hormones, so the trope may yet be averted.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act, and through downright ''insultingly'' idiotic misunderstandings he ends up wanting Gary to give him a blowjob.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act, and through downright ''insultingly'' idiotic misunderstandings he ends up wanting Gary to give him a blowjob.
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* IdiotPlot: The comic's plots are frequently driven by the fact that few of the characters are terribly smart, and even the fairly bright ones are prone to being driven by their hormones. One notable repeated example which turns this UpToEleven is Gary's unwillingness to tell Tracy that he's not the sexual guru that she seems to think, and that he didn't want to offer her boyfriend James oral sex, coupled with Tracy's muddle-headed attempts to manipulate the two men and James' willingness to believe whatever he's told (except that Tracy would actually ''like'' to give him oral sex herself). Eventually, this plot gets a dose of RealityEnsues when Gary, in a surprise twist, actually [[GrewASpine grows a spine]] and walks out of the would-be threesome when things get too weird for him, with some sensible comments as he goes -- but it took a lot of idiocy to get to that point.
* IdiotPlot: The comic's plots are frequently driven by the fact that few of the characters are terribly smart, and even the fairly bright ones are prone to being driven by their hormones. One notable repeated example which turns this UpToEleven is Gary's unwillingness to tell Tracy that he's not the sexual guru that she seems to think, and that he didn't want to offer her boyfriend James oral sex, coupled with Tracy's muddle-headed attempts to manipulate the two men and James' willingness to believe whatever he's told (except that Tracy would actually ''like'' to give him oral sex herself). Eventually, this plot gets a dose of RealityEnsues when Gary, in a surprise twist, actually [[GrewASpine grows a spine]] and walks out of the would-be threesome when things get too weird for him, with some sensible comments as he goes -- but it took a lot of idiocy to get to that point.
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** Senna has been seen by readers as, variously, cute if vain and ditzy through to cute but downright psychopathic, but that's not her really base-breaking feature. The trouble really blew up when she let Gary get drunk (arguably through carelessness and inattention rather than deliberately), and then seduced him. (To be fair, she was pretty drunk herself too.) This led to, let's say, a fair bit of debate on the boards over issues of consent and responsibility. Her {{trans|sexual}}gender status confused the issue further, as Gary identifies as heterosexual; some readers doubted that he'd willingly have sex with someone with a penis while he was sober, even if she did look like an international lingerie model, whereas others noted that he always seems to have found her very attractive when she was dressed, despite having seen that penis.
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** Senna has been seen by readers as, variously, cute if vain and ditzy through to cute but downright psychopathic, but that's not her really base-breaking feature. The trouble really blew up when she let Gary get drunk (arguably through carelessness and inattention rather than deliberately), and then seduced him. (To be fair, she was pretty drunk herself too.) This led to, let's say, a fair bit of debate on the boards over issues of consent and responsibility. Her {{trans|sexual}}gender {{transgender}} status confused the issue further, as Gary identifies as heterosexual; some readers doubted that he'd willingly have sex with someone with a penis while he was sober, even if she did look like an international lingerie model, whereas others noted that he always seems to have found her very attractive when she was dressed, despite having seen that penis.
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** The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act.
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** The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act.act, and through downright ''insultingly'' idiotic misunderstandings he ends up wanting Gary to give him a blowjob.
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** The "Gary Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob because her boyfriend idiotically misinterpreted Gary's attempts to pitch blowjobs as an enjoyable experience, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his co-workers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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** The "Gary Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] stupid even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob because her boyfriend idiotically misinterpreted Gary's attempts to pitch blowjobs as an enjoyable experience, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his co-workers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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** The "Gary Gives James a Blowjob" arc could have been a biting commentary on the politicisation of consent, as well as a reminder that sex requires both parties to consent and men can say "no", (mostly) by simply giving James a better reason for not wanting a blowjob, such as not liking it. But instead he's a StrawFeminist and doesn't want to "degrade" women with an "obscene" act.
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** If you pay attention to Gary's shirts they often reflect his moods or what's going on in the comic, or provide a humorous punchline. For example, in early comics he often wears an ComicBook/{{X-Men}} logo, marking him as the only virgin in the cast; when Dillon moves back in he usually wears a Franchise/FantasticFour shirt, reflecting the four people who then live in the apartment; when he finally loses his virginity he's wearing a shirt that says [[Wrestling/ZackRyder WWWYKI]]; when Yuki forces him to touch [=DiDi=]'s breasts in an effort to help improve his art he's wearing an ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' one; when Yuki explains to him why she decided to move in he has Decepticon logo, because she's lying to him; and he wears a Kirby one when he visits Amber, referring to him continuously eating Yuki out.
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** If you pay attention to Gary's shirts they often reflect his moods or what's going on in the comic, or provide a humorous punchline. For example, in early comics he often wears an ComicBook/{{X-Men}} ComicBook/XMen logo, marking him as the only virgin in the cast; when Dillon moves back in he usually wears a Franchise/FantasticFour shirt, reflecting the four people who then live in the apartment; when he finally loses his virginity he's wearing a shirt that says [[Wrestling/ZackRyder WWWYKI]]; when Yuki forces him to touch [=DiDi=]'s breasts in an effort to help improve his art he's wearing an ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' one; when Yuki explains to him why she decided to move in he has Decepticon logo, because she's lying to him; and he wears a Kirby one when he visits Amber, referring to him continuously eating Yuki out.
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* BrokenBase: Some readers find it frustrating that the comic manages to go on and on when many arcs seldom ever receive any sort of satisfying closure. Characters frequently get [[MomentKiller cock-blocked]] and miss their goals by a hair through [[ContrivedCoincidence unbelievably bad luck]], which is only exacerbated by [[{{Farce}} all the awkward misunderstandings that arise when nobody bothers to communicate what they really mean to the people who need to hear it.]] Other readers would say that this is all par for the course in this genre, but those who don't like it are left screaming "JUST FUCK ALREADY" at their screens whenever someone who's been desperately trying to score with someone else [[YankTheDogsChain gets their chance snatched away by whatever "zany antics" the rest of the cast is up to that day.]] The 2016/17 "Pro Wrestling" arc also caused some ''debate'' among the fans; see, e.g., [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16946 this thread]].
** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are together in a FriendsWithBenefits set-up — but then, Zii dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving the fandom to divide further. A lot of the audience sympathizes with Sonya, seeing Zii's dumping of her as cold-hearted and selfish, and hope that when she gets over her tears and starts working on some kind of revenge plot, they'll get to sit back and watch the ensuing spectacle. Others instead saw Sonya as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, feeling that after having previously engineered the breakup of Zii's happy relationship for her own selfish ends the fit she threw was blatant MoralMyopia and what happened to her was a [[HoistByHisOwnPetard well-earned reversal of fortune]], while also pointing out that [[JerkassHasAPoint it made no sense for Zii to be in a relationship with someone she didn't feel anything for]]. Still others don't sympathise with either party, thinking they have too much jerk baggage to be sympathetic either way, but still want to see what comes of this new development.
** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are together in a FriendsWithBenefits set-up — but then, Zii dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving the fandom to divide further. A lot of the audience sympathizes with Sonya, seeing Zii's dumping of her as cold-hearted and selfish, and hope that when she gets over her tears and starts working on some kind of revenge plot, they'll get to sit back and watch the ensuing spectacle. Others instead saw Sonya as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, feeling that after having previously engineered the breakup of Zii's happy relationship for her own selfish ends the fit she threw was blatant MoralMyopia and what happened to her was a [[HoistByHisOwnPetard well-earned reversal of fortune]], while also pointing out that [[JerkassHasAPoint it made no sense for Zii to be in a relationship with someone she didn't feel anything for]]. Still others don't sympathise with either party, thinking they have too much jerk baggage to be sympathetic either way, but still want to see what comes of this new development.
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** Some readers find it frustrating that the comic manages to go on and on when many arcs seldom ever receive any sort of satisfying closure. Characters frequently get [[MomentKiller cock-blocked]] and miss their goals by a hair through [[ContrivedCoincidence unbelievably bad luck]], which is only exacerbated by [[{{Farce}} all the awkward misunderstandings that arise when nobody bothers to communicate what they really mean to the people who need to hear it.]] Other readers would say that this is all par for the course in this genre, but those who don't like it are left screaming "JUST FUCK ALREADY" at their screens whenever someone who's been desperately trying to score with someone else [[YankTheDogsChain gets their chance snatched away by whatever "zany antics" the rest of the cast is up to that day.]] ]]
** The 2016/17 "Pro Wrestling" arc also caused some ''debate'' among the fans; see, e.g., [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16946 this thread]].
** By thestart end of volume 10, 9, Sonya and Zii are together in a FriendsWithBenefits set-up — but then, Zii dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving the fandom to divide further. A lot of the audience sympathizes with Sonya, seeing Zii's dumping of her as cold-hearted and selfish, and hope that when she gets over her tears and starts working on some kind of revenge plot, they'll get to sit back and watch the ensuing spectacle. Others instead saw Sonya as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, feeling that after having previously engineered the breakup of Zii's happy relationship for her own selfish ends the fit she threw was blatant MoralMyopia and what happened to her was a [[HoistByHisOwnPetard well-earned reversal of fortune]], while also pointing out that [[JerkassHasAPoint it made no sense for Zii to be in a relationship with someone she didn't feel anything for]]. Still others don't sympathise with either party, thinking they have too much jerk baggage to be sympathetic either way, but still want to see what comes of this new development.
** Some readers find it frustrating that the comic manages to go on and on when many arcs seldom ever receive any sort of satisfying closure. Characters frequently get [[MomentKiller cock-blocked]] and miss their goals by a hair through [[ContrivedCoincidence unbelievably bad luck]], which is only exacerbated by [[{{Farce}} all the awkward misunderstandings that arise when nobody bothers to communicate what they really mean to the people who need to hear it.]] Other readers would say that this is all par for the course in this genre, but those who don't like it are left screaming "JUST FUCK ALREADY" at their screens whenever someone who's been desperately trying to score with someone else [[YankTheDogsChain gets their chance snatched away by whatever "zany antics" the rest of the cast is up to that day.
** The 2016/17 "Pro Wrestling" arc also caused some ''debate'' among the fans; see, e.g., [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16946 this thread]].
** By the
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** Are Matt and Kiley (becoming) a couple ? Nobody knows but everybody has an opinion. Cue neverending discussions.
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** Are Matt and Kiley (becoming) a couple ? couple? Nobody knows but everybody has an opinion. Cue neverending discussions.
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* BrokenBase: Some readers find it frustrating that the comic manages to go on and on when many arcs seldom ever receive any sort of satisfying closure. Characters frequently get [[MomentKiller cock-blocked]] and miss their goals by a hair through [[ContrivedCoincidence unbelievably bad luck]], which is only exacerbated by [[{{Farce}} all the awkward misunderstandings that arise when nobody bothers to communicate what they really mean to the people who need to hear it.]] Other readers would say that this is all par for the course in this genre, but those who don't like it are left screaming "JUST FUCK ALREADY" at their screens whenever someone who's been desperately trying to score with someone else [[YankTheDogsChain gets their chance snatched away by whatever "zany the antics" the rest of the cast is up to that day.]] The 2016/17 "Pro Wrestling" arc also caused some ''debate'' among the fans; see, e.g., [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16946 this thread]].
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* BrokenBase: Some readers find it frustrating that the comic manages to go on and on when many arcs seldom ever receive any sort of satisfying closure. Characters frequently get [[MomentKiller cock-blocked]] and miss their goals by a hair through [[ContrivedCoincidence unbelievably bad luck]], which is only exacerbated by [[{{Farce}} all the awkward misunderstandings that arise when nobody bothers to communicate what they really mean to the people who need to hear it.]] Other readers would say that this is all par for the course in this genre, but those who don't like it are left screaming "JUST FUCK ALREADY" at their screens whenever someone who's been desperately trying to score with someone else [[YankTheDogsChain gets their chance snatched away by whatever "zany the antics" the rest of the cast is up to that day.]] The 2016/17 "Pro Wrestling" arc also caused some ''debate'' among the fans; see, e.g., [[http://www.pixietrixcomix.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=16946 this thread]].thread]].
** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are together in a FriendsWithBenefits set-up — but then, Zii dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving the fandom to divide further. A lot of the audience sympathizes with Sonya, seeing Zii's dumping of her as cold-hearted and selfish, and hope that when she gets over her tears and starts working on some kind of revenge plot, they'll get to sit back and watch the ensuing spectacle. Others instead saw Sonya as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, feeling that after having previously engineered the breakup of Zii's happy relationship for her own selfish ends the fit she threw was blatant MoralMyopia and what happened to her was a [[HoistByHisOwnPetard well-earned reversal of fortune]], while also pointing out that [[JerkassHasAPoint it made no sense for Zii to be in a relationship with someone she didn't feel anything for]]. Still others don't sympathise with either party, thinking they have too much jerk baggage to be sympathetic either way, but still want to see what comes of this new development.
** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are together in a FriendsWithBenefits set-up — but then, Zii dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving the fandom to divide further. A lot of the audience sympathizes with Sonya, seeing Zii's dumping of her as cold-hearted and selfish, and hope that when she gets over her tears and starts working on some kind of revenge plot, they'll get to sit back and watch the ensuing spectacle. Others instead saw Sonya as UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, feeling that after having previously engineered the breakup of Zii's happy relationship for her own selfish ends the fit she threw was blatant MoralMyopia and what happened to her was a [[HoistByHisOwnPetard well-earned reversal of fortune]], while also pointing out that [[JerkassHasAPoint it made no sense for Zii to be in a relationship with someone she didn't feel anything for]]. Still others don't sympathise with either party, thinking they have too much jerk baggage to be sympathetic either way, but still want to see what comes of this new development.
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*** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are back together — but then, Zii selfishly and cold-heartedly dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving most audience sympathy with Sonya. By now, though, Sonya’s development as a force of nature is well established, so when she gets over her tears and starts working on, most likely, some kind of revenge plot, the fan reaction is generally to sit back and break out the popcorn.
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** James, especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies have been {{Flanderized}} to the point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. (Even after that, he immediately interrupts her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.) It's hard to tell whether or not the fan hatred for him on this basis was intentional, but the fact that an ongoing story arc hinges on his WhatAnIdiot nature, and that Volume 10 opened with a focus on him, Tracy and their still nonsensical relationship issues rather than a number of hanging plot threads from the end of the previous storyline have left some readers hoping for any excuse to be rid of him, which was most likely ''not'' intentional.
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** James, especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies have been {{Flanderized}} to the point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. (Even after that, he immediately interrupts her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.) It's hard to tell whether or not the fan hatred for him on this basis was intentional, but the fact that an ongoing story arc hinges on his WhatAnIdiot nature, and that Volume 10 opened with a focus on him, Tracy and their still nonsensical relationship issues rather than a number of hanging plot threads from the end of the previous storyline storyline, and that both of which have left some readers hoping for any excuse to be rid of him, which was most likely ''not'' intentional.
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** The "Gary Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his coworkers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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** The "Gary Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob, blowjob because her boyfriend idiotically misinterpreted Gary's attempts to pitch blowjobs as an enjoyable experience, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his coworkers.co-workers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Gary, to a number of readers. His abject spinelessness has crossed into unfunny territory more than once, while he can seem short on personality and tiresomely incurious.
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** Gary, to a number of readers. His abject spinelessness has crossed into unfunny territory more than once, while he can seem short on personality and tiresomelyincurious.incurious.
** Some readers found it hard to sympathise with Sonya after Zii dumped her for [=DiDi=], feeling that her past behaviour made her look like a big {{hypocrite}} -- especially since her very first act as Zii and [=DiDi=] moved to leave was to [[MoralMyopia try to seduce DiDi away from Zii to prove a point]].
** Gary, to a number of readers. His abject spinelessness has crossed into unfunny territory more than once, while he can seem short on personality and tiresomely
** Some readers found it hard to sympathise with Sonya after Zii dumped her for [=DiDi=], feeling that her past behaviour made her look like a big {{hypocrite}} -- especially since her very first act as Zii and [=DiDi=] moved to leave was to [[MoralMyopia try to seduce DiDi away from Zii to prove a point]].
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** "Gary's Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his coworkers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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** "Gary's The "Gary Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his coworkers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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** "Gary's Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say No to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his coworkers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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** "Gary's Giving James a Blowjob" arc is widely panned by fans, who accuse its story of being [[ForgotAboutHisPowers insultingly stupid]] even by the comic's ''amiably uncomplicated'' standards. For context: When Tracy asks Gary, a grown, patently heterosexual man despite everything else he's been through, to give her boyfriend a blowjob, Gary simply can't find the nerve to say No “No” to Tracy's face. What follows is then a story of a grown man trying to fake a blowjob while keeping the appearance of a friendly guy to his coworkers. Also, [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking the punchline isn't all that funny]].[[note]]Adding insult to injury, the beginning of Volume Ten brings back this plotline, with James wanting ''another'' blowjob from Gary, who still cannot say "No" to Tracy, infuriating many readers.[[/note]]
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Junghan is really popular among the fanbase. During his long absence, people kept wondering if he'd ever come back and suggesting that he was the best character in the comic. Since his return, each of his appearances (including a brief but entertaining cameo in ''Webcomic/StickyDillyBuns'') has been welcomed with much rejoicing. Most people acknowledge that he's a better character if he doesn't get too much focus, though, if only because the writers don't seem very good at writing snark, which is his specialty.
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Junghan is really popular among the fanbase. During his long absence, people kept wondering if he'd ever come back and suggesting that he was the best character in the comic. Since his return, each of his appearances (including a some brief but entertaining cameo cameos and a huge off-screen character reveal in ''Webcomic/StickyDillyBuns'') has been welcomed with much rejoicing. Most people acknowledge that he's a better character if he doesn't get too much focus, though, if only because the writers don't seem very good at writing snark, which is his specialty.
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** If you pay attention Gary is almost never standing up straight, but is usually hunched over. This reflects how extremely meek and beaten-down by life he is.
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** If you pay attention Gary is almost never shown standing up straight, but is usually hunched over. This reflects how extremely meek and beaten-down by life he is. His big character development at the start of volume 10 is reflected by him starting to, literally, walk tall; Zii barely recognises him.
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** Matt, with his nigh-pathological inability to remain faithful in a relationship, is unpopular with a lot of fans -- who then get very confused when he provides Gary with genuine help with understanding his sexuality, or shows a sensitive, intuitive side in his dealings with Kiley.
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** Matt, with his nigh-pathological inability to remain faithful in a relationship, is unpopular with a lot of fans -- who then get very confused when he provides Gary with genuine help with understanding his sexuality, or shows a sensitive, intuitive side in his early dealings with Kiley.Kiley or his encounter with Ruby.
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*** And she caused some to take said affection back and punt her back to the Scrappy Heap hard enough to score a Field Goal come Chapter 6, when she shows ''glee'' at having apparently caused Zii and Erik's break up through her manipulations (combined with Zii's alcohol-driven loss of inhibitions). As this not only is likely to leave Zii crushed, but also imperils Zii's (and for that matter Sonya's) dreams of following a musical career, Sonya's joy looks short-sighted as well as selfish. Though some were happy to see Zii hit with what they see as LaserGuidedKarma...
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*** And she caused some to take said affection back and punt her back to the Scrappy Heap hard enough to score a Field Goal field goal come Chapter 6, when she shows ''glee'' at having apparently caused Zii and Erik's break up through her manipulations (combined with Zii's alcohol-driven loss of inhibitions). As this not only is likely to leave Zii crushed, but also imperils Zii's (and for that matter Sonya's) dreams of following a musical career, Sonya's joy looks short-sighted as well as selfish. Though some were happy to see Zii hit with what they see as LaserGuidedKarma...LaserGuidedKarma...
*** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are back together — but then, Zii selfishly and cold-heartedly dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving most audience sympathy with Sonya. By now, though, Sonya’s development as a force of nature is well established, so when she gets over her tears and starts working on, most likely, some kind of revenge plot, the fan reaction is generally to sit back and break out the popcorn.
*** By the start of volume 10, Sonya and Zii are back together — but then, Zii selfishly and cold-heartedly dumps Sonya for [=DiDi=], leaving most audience sympathy with Sonya. By now, though, Sonya’s development as a force of nature is well established, so when she gets over her tears and starts working on, most likely, some kind of revenge plot, the fan reaction is generally to sit back and break out the popcorn.
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** ''Gary'' himself, for failing to grow some spine despite everything he's been through.
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** ''Gary'' himself, for failing to grow some spine for a very long time, despite everything he's been through.
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** Conversely, in those same early volumes, Zii seemed to some readers to be able to do whatever she wanted with no repercussions. However, she has more recently had her past coming back to bite her in the ass from multiple directions, with ''two'' stalkers among other problems, along with her worldview being seriously shaken when she first falls hard for a guy and then finds out what Gary's been up to. [[http://www.stickydillybuns.com/strips-sdb/real_books This scene]] in ''Webcomic/StickyDillyBuns'' also showed her being a reasonably cool and likeable person when her own appetites weren't in play, and [[http://www.stickydillybuns.com/strips-sdb/grabbing_a_show having a functional conscience of sorts]]. While some fans are skeptical at how long this more balanced state of affairs is going to last, for now most readers are enjoying it.
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** Conversely, in those same early volumes, Zii seemed to some readers to be able to do whatever she wanted with no repercussions. However, she has more recently subsequently had her past coming come back to bite her in the ass from multiple directions, with ''two'' stalkers among other problems, along with her worldview being seriously shaken when she first falls hard for a guy and then finds out what Gary's been up to. [[http://www.stickydillybuns.com/strips-sdb/real_books This scene]] in ''Webcomic/StickyDillyBuns'' also showed her being a reasonably cool and likeable person when her own appetites weren't in play, and [[http://www.stickydillybuns.com/strips-sdb/grabbing_a_show having a functional conscience of sorts]]. While some fans are skeptical at how long this more balanced state Her life subsequently involved a fair number of affairs is going ups and downs; while she can evidently get away with a lot, it’s hard to last, for now most readers are enjoying it.argue that she’s totally immune to the consequences of her actions.
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*** Meanwhile, the focus of [=DiDi's=] unthinking cute selfishness shifts towards Kiley. Getting her orgasm doesn't make her a much better person...
** Also, Sonya. She's either disliked for being a jerk and tactless for petty reasons and for her constant advances on Zii, despite Zii being on a relationship with Erik, or still liked for her ditzy sexiness and ability to bounce back from setbacks. However, nearly everyone sees this as Zii's former seduction of Sonya [[LaserGuidedKarma coming back to bite her in the earlobe]].
*** Sonya has slipped down the moral scale with her ruthless pursuit of Zii, although her vulnerable or sentimental sides emerge just enough, from time to time, to at least keep her interestingly complex for some readers.
** Also, Sonya. She's either disliked for being a jerk and tactless for petty reasons and for her constant advances on Zii, despite Zii being on a relationship with Erik, or still liked for her ditzy sexiness and ability to bounce back from setbacks. However, nearly everyone sees this as Zii's former seduction of Sonya [[LaserGuidedKarma coming back to bite her in the earlobe]].
*** Sonya has slipped down the moral scale with her ruthless pursuit of Zii, although her vulnerable or sentimental sides emerge just enough, from time to time, to at least keep her interestingly complex for some readers.
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*** Meanwhile, the focus of [=DiDi's=] unthinking cute selfishness shifts towards Kiley. Getting her orgasm doesn't make her a much better person...
person. Then she moves on again, and doesn’t improve as a person at any point.
** Also, Sonya. She's either disliked for being a jerk and tactless for petty reasons and for her constant advances on Zii, despite Zii beingon in a relationship with Erik, Erik in the early days, or still liked for her ditzy sexiness and ability to bounce back from setbacks. However, nearly everyone sees this as Zii's former seduction of Sonya [[LaserGuidedKarma coming back to bite her in the earlobe]].
*** Sonyahas slipped slips down the moral scale with her continuing and ruthless pursuit of Zii, although her vulnerable or sentimental sides emerge just enough, from time to time, to at least keep her interestingly complex for some readers.
** Also, Sonya. She's either disliked for being a jerk and tactless for petty reasons and for her constant advances on Zii, despite Zii being
*** Sonya
*** By volume 10, it’s fairly well established that Sonya, while flawed, is pretty much a force of nature. Good or bad isn’t the point; she lives and exists for drama.
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* CryForTheDevil: Sonya had developed stalker-ish tendencies towards Zii, and her relationship with Gary was largely about using him for sexual satisfaction and to make Yuki jealous, (and she dumped him, fairly politely but ''in the middle of sex'', when she realised that she found him boring). But then, when she realized that Zii didn't reciprocate her feelings, she went back to sleep in Gary's bed, weeping and in need of a hug (February 19 2013, strip 710, NSFW).
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* CryForTheDevil: Sonya had developed stalker-ish tendencies towards Zii, and her relationship with Gary was largely about using him for sexual satisfaction and to make Yuki jealous, (and she dumped him, fairly politely but ''in the middle of sex'', when she realised that she found him boring). But then, when she realized that Zii didn't reciprocate her feelings, she went back to sleep in Gary's bed, weeping and in need of a hug (February 19 2013, strip 710, NSFW). Likewise, when Zii dumps her for [=DiDi=] in volume 9, she ends up spending the night crying, with just Lita for company, and given that Zii has behaved quite appallingly here, Sonya gets a lot of fan sympathy.
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** Tracy, starting from "Gary giving James a blowjob" arc, along with her boyfriend James. Tracy forcing Gary into a sexual act he's clearly uncomfortable with to fix her own sex life with James infuriated a number of readers.
** James, especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies have been {{Flanderized}} to the point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. (Even after that, he immediately interrupts her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.) Though he’s probably meant to be annoying, or at least ridiculous, which may disqualify him as a true Scrappy.
** James, especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies have been {{Flanderized}} to the point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. (Even after that, he immediately interrupts her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.) Though he’s probably meant to be annoying, or at least ridiculous, which may disqualify him as a true Scrappy.
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** Tracy, starting from "Gary giving James a blowjob" arc, along with her boyfriend James.arc. Tracy forcing Gary into a sexual act he's clearly uncomfortable with to fix her own sex life with James infuriated a number of readers.
** James, especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies have been {{Flanderized}} to the point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. (Even after that, he immediately interrupts her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.)Though he’s probably meant It's hard to tell whether or not the fan hatred for him on this basis was intentional, but the fact that an ongoing story arc hinges on his WhatAnIdiot nature, and that Volume 10 opened with a focus on him, Tracy and their still nonsensical relationship issues rather than a number of hanging plot threads from the end of the previous storyline have left some readers hoping for any excuse to be annoying, or at least ridiculous, rid of him, which may disqualify him as a true Scrappy.was most likely ''not'' intentional.
** James, especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies have been {{Flanderized}} to the point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. (Even after that, he immediately interrupts her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.)
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** The wrestling plotline of 2016-17 started with a focus [=DiDi=], never the comic's most nuanced major character, suddenly getting involved with a whole bunch of new secondary characters. Then, as it developed, it began to lean heavily on the appearance of yet more new characters, all of them {{exp|y}}ies of characters from the authors' other comics, ''Webcomic/EerieCuties'' and ''Webcomic/MagickChicks'', giving the whole thing the look of an over-stretched in-joke. Meanwhile, Zii, a major character with a lot of dangling plot threads and personality issues attached, had been invisible for many months, real-world time. Some fan grumbling ensued.
* ShippingBedDeath is massively averted, largely becasue this is a SexComedy much more than it's any sort of romance, whatever some fannish shippers might want. The characters get into ''[[EveryoneHasLotsOfSex relationships]],'' but these are generally short-lived or incredibly unstable, and are frequently obviously bad ideas from the first; hence, they may crash and burn, or just fizzle due to bad communication. Any pairing that the shippers might suggest (''[[EveryoneIsBi any pairing]]'') can happen, but it probably won't end anything much. Even when the lead character who started the comic as a desperate virgin got laid, it involved a previously minor character, the relationship promptly crashed, and the ex-virgin didn't change much as a person. It's assumed by most of the fan base that most of the main cast will end up in long-term relationships when the comic comes to an end, and various final pairings are discussed from time to time, but it would be dangerous to bet on anything.
* ShippingBedDeath is massively averted, largely becasue this is a SexComedy much more than it's any sort of romance, whatever some fannish shippers might want. The characters get into ''[[EveryoneHasLotsOfSex relationships]],'' but these are generally short-lived or incredibly unstable, and are frequently obviously bad ideas from the first; hence, they may crash and burn, or just fizzle due to bad communication. Any pairing that the shippers might suggest (''[[EveryoneIsBi any pairing]]'') can happen, but it probably won't end anything much. Even when the lead character who started the comic as a desperate virgin got laid, it involved a previously minor character, the relationship promptly crashed, and the ex-virgin didn't change much as a person. It's assumed by most of the fan base that most of the main cast will end up in long-term relationships when the comic comes to an end, and various final pairings are discussed from time to time, but it would be dangerous to bet on anything.
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** The wrestling plotline of 2016-17 started with a focus [=DiDi=], never the comic's most nuanced major character, suddenly getting involved with a whole bunch of new secondary characters. Then, as it developed, it began to lean heavily on the appearance of yet more new characters, all of them {{exp|y}}ies of characters from the authors' other comics, ''Webcomic/EerieCuties'' and ''Webcomic/MagickChicks'', giving the whole thing the look of an over-stretched in-joke. Meanwhile, Zii, a major character with a lot of dangling plot threads and personality issues attached, had been invisible for many months, real-world time. Some fan grumbling ensued.
*ShippingBedDeath is massively ShippingBedDeath: Massively averted, largely becasue because this is a SexComedy much more than it's any sort of romance, whatever some fannish shippers might want. The characters get into ''[[EveryoneHasLotsOfSex relationships]],'' but these are generally short-lived or incredibly unstable, and are frequently obviously bad ideas from the first; hence, they may crash and burn, or just fizzle due to bad communication. Any pairing that the shippers might suggest (''[[EveryoneIsBi any pairing]]'') can happen, but it probably won't end anything much. Even when the lead character who started the comic as a desperate virgin got laid, it involved a previously minor character, the relationship promptly crashed, and the ex-virgin didn't change much as a person. It's assumed by most of the fan base that most of the main cast will end up in long-term relationships when the comic comes to an end, and various final pairings are discussed from time to time, but it would be dangerous to bet on anything.
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** James, for his StrawFeminist tendencies are {{Flanderized}} to the level that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. Even after that, he immediately interrupts Tracy and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.
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** James, for especially after his StrawFeminist tendencies are have been {{Flanderized}} to the level point that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. Even (Even after that, he immediately interrupts Tracy her and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests. protests.) Though he’s probably meant to be annoying, or at least ridiculous, which may disqualify him as a true Scrappy.
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** James, for his StrawFeminist tendencies are {{Flanderized}} to the level that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to. Even after that, he immediately interrupts Tracy and still insists on saving her from the "too degrading" act despite all her protests.
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*** James also got his StrawFeminist tendencies {{Flanderized}} to the level that he can't grasp the idea that women might enjoy giving blowjobs to men, thinking of it as an obscene, phallocratic act, and stops Tracy from giving one when she straight-out tells him she wants to.
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