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** Isis seems to have gotten quite a few fans so far, unlike pretty much anyone else introduced in ''Force''.
** Arnage has been called [[MobileSuitGundamWing Heavyarms-tan]] due to the Reacted form of her Divider.
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* RuinedFOREVER: ''Force'' elicited this reaction for having a heterosexual male lead and supposedly dropping the magical girl tropes.
** Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffer BadassDecay, starting with [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Signum]]]].
* TheScrappy: Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat.
** Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffer BadassDecay, starting with [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Signum]]]].
* TheScrappy: Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat.
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**tropes. Not to mention they put some of the most cheered characters this franchise have in real danger of suffer suffering BadassDecay, starting with [[spoiler:[[LadyOfWar Signum]]]].
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** Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first realdefeat.defeat.
** Tohma has drawn fire for being a male main character with an potential heterosexual love interest.
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: Otto. Female, for the record. This is compounded by her use of the masculine pronoun "[[JapanesePronouns boku]]".
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* ViewerGenderConfusion: ViewerGenderConfusion:
** Otto. Female, for the record. This is compounded by her use of the masculine pronoun "[[JapanesePronounsboku]]".boku]]".
** Until his profile came out, nearly everyone was convinced that Fortis was female. With his large eyes, dress-like robe, and feminine hairstyle, it's an easy mistake to make. Ironically, fortis can be translated from Latin as "manly".
** Otto. Female, for the record. This is compounded by her use of the masculine pronoun "[[JapanesePronouns
** Until his profile came out, nearly everyone was convinced that Fortis was female. With his large eyes, dress-like robe, and feminine hairstyle, it's an easy mistake to make. Ironically, fortis can be translated from Latin as "manly".
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* CompleteMonster: Precia. She wasn't one at the beginning of the story itself, but she ''is'' when we see her first on-screen. Heck, the woman crosses the MoralEventHorizon in her EstablishingCharacterMoment.
** Slightly less so in the movie, which significantly increases her woobieness. [[spoiler:She's even implied to ''regret'' what she did at the end]].
** Slightly less so in the movie, which significantly increases her woobieness. [[spoiler:She's even implied to ''regret'' what she did at the end]].
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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
** Precia. She wasn't one at the beginning of the story itself, but she ''is'' when we see her first on-screen. Heck, the woman crosses the MoralEventHorizon in her EstablishingCharacterMoment.
** *** Slightly less so in the movie, which significantly increases her woobieness. [[spoiler:She's even implied to ''regret'' what she did at the end]].end]].
** Quattro is also [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch]].
** Precia. She wasn't one at the beginning of the story itself, but she ''is'' when we see her first on-screen. Heck, the woman crosses the MoralEventHorizon in her EstablishingCharacterMoment.
** Quattro is also [[{{Understatement}} kind of a bitch]].
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** Cinque of the Numbers is fairly popular, despite only appearing in two episodes and being the only one absent from the final battle.
** Despite her incredibly minor status, Sette is starting to gain popularity in some fanfiction circles.
** Cinque of the Numbers is fairly popular, despite only appearing in two episodes and being the only one absent from the final battle.
** Despite her incredibly minor status, Sette is starting to gain popularity in some fanfiction circles.
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** Loli-Rider for Lutecia, because she looks like a loli version of Rider from ''FateStayNight''.
** Spaghetti for Jail Scaglietti, for no reason at all besides the pun.
** Etnagito for Agito, because she looks exactly like [[{{Disgaea}} Etna]].
** Spaghetti for Jail Scaglietti, for no reason at all besides the pun.
** Etnagito for Agito, because she looks exactly like [[{{Disgaea}} Etna]].
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* StrawManHasAPoint: Regius is one of the few people who distrusts Hayate for her criminal past, and even Auris suggests that he keep his opinions to himself. While the viewers and those close to her know she did nothing wrong during the Book of Darkness incident, he and much of the rest of the Bureau apparently heard a version of events in which Hayate accepted full responsibility, making his distrust seem more logical if ultimately incorrect.
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** GaoGaiGar-tan and [[spoiler:Lezbot]] for Subaru.
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* FetishFuel
** Various binds. Particularly Yuuno's magical chain manifesting ones.
** The Wolkenritter were essentially immortal while connected to the Book of Darkness. If killed, it could simply reform them as good as new. Before this sounds like supreme {{Squick}}, it also makes their trying out various things that ''sound'' interesting but in practice have a chance of ending up as a Fatally, Disfiguringly, or merely Eventually Inconvenient Bad Idea much more palatable. Just as icing on the cake, they had to obey the owner of the Book, although capable of bending their orders somewhat.
* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Yes, that includes the TokenLoli Cinque, and possibly Ginga, too - he certainly had enough time to accomplish it. And let's not forget that he raised all of them as his daughters and that at least some of them were created using his genetic material, so it's ParentalIncest, too. Finally, consider how risky a regular pregnancy can be. Now replace that with one involving a rapidly-growing technosorcerous FetusTerrible, and imagine what that would do to the mother's body. Or don't, if you want to keep your lunch where it is. In fact, the entire escape plan is pretty much a bottomless reservoir of yucky horribleness if you pay the slightest bit of thought to it.]]
** Lethal uses of Shamal's powers.
** PainfulTransformation caused by the Book of Darkness on males.
** The history of the Wolkenritter. Were all their previous masters cruel? Or were there equally (more?) loving ones that the Book purged/altered their memories thereof? Whichever is worse... Well, what page is this?
** It has been noted that the Bureau recruits grade-school children who are nobodies on their homeworlds and nobody seems to notice or care.
* FridgeLogic: Why did some of the Numbers get locked up and others rehabilitated? Sure, in one or two cases it's obvious, but other than that the divisions seemed really arbitrary.
** Because ones in rehabilitation had chosen to do so, duh. Actually it's pretty clearly divided by age with older ones stayed loyal to Jail, and younger ones decided to try to live on their own. With exception of Cinque who decided that younger ones need watchfull eye and that she is more loyal to them than to Jail, and Sette who could get free past because she was youngest and less involved but stayed in jail because of her loyality to Tre.
*** Riiiight. That's clear, is it?
**** [[AllThereInTheManual Sound Stages, duh!]]
**** As well as several [[ViewersAreGoldfish conversations before their capture]], particularly Teana's "You don't have to be a weapon" speech.
** In the Sound Stages, Zest also points out that unlike Numbers 1 through 4, who inherited the Doctor's DNA, Numbers 6 and up are, in his eyes, somewhat like children and pitiable. He also mentions that Number 5, Cinque, watched over him for some time, and agrees with Lutecia's desire for her to recover from her injuries.
** Various binds. Particularly Yuuno's magical chain manifesting ones.
** The Wolkenritter were essentially immortal while connected to the Book of Darkness. If killed, it could simply reform them as good as new. Before this sounds like supreme {{Squick}}, it also makes their trying out various things that ''sound'' interesting but in practice have a chance of ending up as a Fatally, Disfiguringly, or merely Eventually Inconvenient Bad Idea much more palatable. Just as icing on the cake, they had to obey the owner of the Book, although capable of bending their orders somewhat.
* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Yes, that includes the TokenLoli Cinque, and possibly Ginga, too - he certainly had enough time to accomplish it. And let's not forget that he raised all of them as his daughters and that at least some of them were created using his genetic material, so it's ParentalIncest, too. Finally, consider how risky a regular pregnancy can be. Now replace that with one involving a rapidly-growing technosorcerous FetusTerrible, and imagine what that would do to the mother's body. Or don't, if you want to keep your lunch where it is. In fact, the entire escape plan is pretty much a bottomless reservoir of yucky horribleness if you pay the slightest bit of thought to it.]]
** Lethal uses of Shamal's powers.
** PainfulTransformation caused by the Book of Darkness on males.
** The history of the Wolkenritter. Were all their previous masters cruel? Or were there equally (more?) loving ones that the Book purged/altered their memories thereof? Whichever is worse... Well, what page is this?
** It has been noted that the Bureau recruits grade-school children who are nobodies on their homeworlds and nobody seems to notice or care.
* FridgeLogic: Why did some of the Numbers get locked up and others rehabilitated? Sure, in one or two cases it's obvious, but other than that the divisions seemed really arbitrary.
** Because ones in rehabilitation had chosen to do so, duh. Actually it's pretty clearly divided by age with older ones stayed loyal to Jail, and younger ones decided to try to live on their own. With exception of Cinque who decided that younger ones need watchfull eye and that she is more loyal to them than to Jail, and Sette who could get free past because she was youngest and less involved but stayed in jail because of her loyality to Tre.
*** Riiiight. That's clear, is it?
**** [[AllThereInTheManual Sound Stages, duh!]]
**** As well as several [[ViewersAreGoldfish conversations before their capture]], particularly Teana's "You don't have to be a weapon" speech.
** In the Sound Stages, Zest also points out that unlike Numbers 1 through 4, who inherited the Doctor's DNA, Numbers 6 and up are, in his eyes, somewhat like children and pitiable. He also mentions that Number 5, Cinque, watched over him for some time, and agrees with Lutecia's desire for her to recover from her injuries.
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** Vivio during ''StrikerS''.
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** Signum Loveless, because of Signum's very similar personality to Lamia Loveless from ''SuperRobotWars''.
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* JerkassWoobie: Precia. The movie amplifies her sympatheticness quite a bit. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Alicia dead.
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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
** Precia. The movie amplifies her sympatheticness quite a bit. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Aliciadead.dead.
** Vita, before meeting Hayate, was a jerk even to the other Wolkenritter. She who also the one who seemed to suffer the most from a life of constant fighting.
** Precia. The movie amplifies her sympatheticness quite a bit. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Alicia
** Vita, before meeting Hayate, was a jerk even to the other Wolkenritter. She who also the one who seemed to suffer the most from a life of constant fighting.
** Memetic Molester: Hayate and Sein, due to their Skinship Grope tendencies.
* ThatOneAttack:
** Hayate's BeamSpam in ''Battle of Aces''.
** Vita's Swallow Flier from the same game.
* TooCoolToLive: The original [[Reinforce]].
** Hayate's BeamSpam in ''Battle of Aces''.
** Vita's Swallow Flier from the same game.
* TooCoolToLive: The original [[Reinforce]].
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** Almost all the antagonists in season 2, but mostly Vita.
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* UnpleasableFanbase: There were some fans who complained that Jail and the Numbers were not sufficient threat to the Aces. Then Tsuzuki wrote in the Huckebein, who thus far have been kicking hero arse and taking names. People also complained. Whether this (over-)response should be considered PanderingToTheBase or WriterRevolt and whether this BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor is deliberate are tough calls from the viewer's POV.
** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[{{Bleach}} Sosuke]] [[VillainSue Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[{{Bleach}} Sosuke]] [[VillainSue Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
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Just because you think it\'s irrevalent, Comartemis, doesn\'t mean it\'s worthless Natter. Either the Hucks are over-powered with the Eclipse and people complain, or the power they have is closer to the AMF of Striker S and people will complain about how weak they are and this is Striker S all over again and the bad guys aren\'t a threat.
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*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
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Removed AGAIN. \'\'This is natter\'\', if you want to complain about peoples\' opinions of the Huckbein, do it on JBM.
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*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced:
** When it was revealed Chrono would be a playable character in ''Battle of Aces''.
** The announcement that Yuuno and Arf will be playable in ''Gears of Destiny'' was also met with much joy. One must wonder if it was a pre-emptive strategy to suppress the outcries when chapter 13 of ''Force'' came out around the same time.
** When it was revealed Chrono would be a playable character in ''Battle of Aces''.
** The announcement that Yuuno and Arf will be playable in ''Gears of Destiny'' was also met with much joy. One must wonder if it was a pre-emptive strategy to suppress the outcries when chapter 13 of ''Force'' came out around the same time.
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* CargoShip: Raising Heart/BardicheHeart/Bardiche.
* CompleteMonster: Precia. She wasn't one at the beginning of the story itself, but she ''is'' when we see her first on-screen. Heck, the woman crosses the MoralEventHorizon in her EstablishingCharacterMoment.
** Slightly less so in the movie, which significantly increases her woobieness. [[spoiler:She's even implied to ''regret'' what she did at the end]].
* CompleteMonster: Precia. She wasn't one at the beginning of the story itself, but she ''is'' when we see her first on-screen. Heck, the woman crosses the MoralEventHorizon in her EstablishingCharacterMoment.
** Slightly less so in the movie, which significantly increases her woobieness. [[spoiler:She's even implied to ''regret'' what she did at the end]].
* EpilepticTrees: Suzuka's sister Shinobu was a vampire in ''TriangleHeart3'', and apart from beating Fate at dodgeball, Suzuka and Alyssa both appeared inside a barrier that was supposed to keep {{muggles}} out. ''Hmmm...''
* FanNickname:
** Most notably, the ''White Devil'' for Nanoha, in reference to [[MobileSuitGundam Amuro Ray]].
** Also, ''[[PunnyName Ma-hou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha]]'' (Demonic Cannon Girl Lyrical Nanoha).
** The movie manga version has garnered the nickname "Emoha" for having her DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife origins exaggerated into flat out {{Wangst}}, and later believing that she failed to get through to Fate, rather than mainly being concerned about what punishment she will receive for her crimes.
** Cardiche - Fate's car in season 3, which has the same color scheme as Bardiche.
** Most notably, the ''White Devil'' for Nanoha, in reference to [[MobileSuitGundam Amuro Ray]].
** Also, ''[[PunnyName Ma-hou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha]]'' (Demonic Cannon Girl Lyrical Nanoha).
** The movie manga version has garnered the nickname "Emoha" for having her DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife origins exaggerated into flat out {{Wangst}}, and later believing that she failed to get through to Fate, rather than mainly being concerned about what punishment she will receive for her crimes.
** Cardiche - Fate's car in season 3, which has the same color scheme as Bardiche.
* JerkassWoobie: Precia. The movie amplifies her sympatheticness quite a bit. She's still a cruel bitch of course, but you can feel bad for her too, especially since you often see her expressing emotions besides her typical cold disdain and occasional insane glee, like when she finds Alicia dead.
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** {{Kidanova}}: Amongst the doujinshi-ka, Erio is one heck of a playah, leading to...
** MemeticBadass / [[MemeticMolester Molester]][=/=][[MemeticSexGod Sex God]]
*** Surprisingly, in the manga, he complains about Caro entering the men's bath, despite her claiming that girls under 11 can come in.
*** Not just among doujinshi-ka the authors picked this vibe as well, Erio you [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/v02/c015/3.html Naughty]] [[http://tenmanga.com/chapter/MahouShoujoLyricalNanohaVividVol02Ch016/214121-9.html Guy]]
** Or just see [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4813/nanoha2.jpg this]].
** All the "White Devil" fanart where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.
** MemeticBadass / [[MemeticMolester Molester]][=/=][[MemeticSexGod Sex God]]
*** Surprisingly, in the manga, he complains about Caro entering the men's bath, despite her claiming that girls under 11 can come in.
*** Not just among doujinshi-ka the authors picked this vibe as well, Erio you [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/v02/c015/3.html Naughty]] [[http://tenmanga.com/chapter/MahouShoujoLyricalNanohaVividVol02Ch016/214121-9.html Guy]]
** Or just see [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4813/nanoha2.jpg this]].
** All the "White Devil" fanart where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.
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** {{Kidanova}}: Amongst the doujinshi-ka, Erio is one heck of a playah, leading to...
** MemeticBadass / [[MemeticMolester Molester]][=/=][[MemeticSexGodto MemeticBadass/[[MemeticMolester Molester]]/[[MemeticSexGod Sex God]]
*** Surprisingly, inGod]].
** BloodKnight / HeroicSociopath: Nanoha's in-story enthusiasm for magical combat tends to be exaggerated into outright bloodthirstiness by fans. All themanga, he complains about Caro entering the men's bath, despite her claiming that girls under 11 can come in.
*** Not just among doujinshi-ka the authors picked this vibe as well, Erio you [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/v02/c015/3.html Naughty]] [[http://tenmanga.com/chapter/MahouShoujoLyricalNanohaVividVol02Ch016/214121-9.html Guy]]
** Or just see"White Devil" [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4813/nanoha2.jpg this]].
** All the "White Devil" fanartfanart]] where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.Fate.
** {{Yangire}}: Due to her whole DefeatMeansFriendship shtick, MemeticMutation has resulted in Nanoha being turned into this.
** MemeticBadass: Yuuno, sort of. While far from ChuckNorris levels, his haters claim that his fans make him out to be more capable than he really is.
** MemeticBadass / [[MemeticMolester Molester]][=/=][[MemeticSexGod
*** Surprisingly, in
** BloodKnight / HeroicSociopath: Nanoha's in-story enthusiasm for magical combat tends to be exaggerated into outright bloodthirstiness by fans. All the
*** Not just among doujinshi-ka the authors picked this vibe as well, Erio you [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/v02/c015/3.html Naughty]] [[http://tenmanga.com/chapter/MahouShoujoLyricalNanohaVividVol02Ch016/214121-9.html Guy]]
** Or just see
** All the "White Devil" fanart
** {{Yangire}}: Due to her whole DefeatMeansFriendship shtick, MemeticMutation has resulted in Nanoha being turned into this.
** MemeticBadass: Yuuno, sort of. While far from ChuckNorris levels, his haters claim that his fans make him out to be more capable than he really is.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Two [[MemeticMutation memetic]] examples for Nanoha.
** First, of course, is [[DefeatMeansFriendship her preferred method of making friends]], which was only played straight once with Fate.
** Secondly, her BloodKnight reputation comes from her abortive [[strike: duel]] brawl [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/142341 with Signum.]][[hottip:*:Note that this is a coloured and enlarged, but otherwise completely unaltered panel from the canon ''[=StrikerS=]'' manga.]]
** First, of course, is [[DefeatMeansFriendship her preferred method of making friends]], which was only played straight once with Fate.
** Secondly, her BloodKnight reputation comes from her abortive [[strike: duel]] brawl [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/142341 with Signum.]][[hottip:*:Note that this is a coloured and enlarged, but otherwise completely unaltered panel from the canon ''[=StrikerS=]'' manga.]]
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*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
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* TheWoobie:
** Fate in season one.
** Linith. Her plight is even more poignant in the movie manga, as she reveals that she wanted to take Fate and Arf away from Precia, but knew that doing so would hurt her, and realized that Precia and by extension, herself as Precia’s familiar had no more than two years to live. She thus did her best to ensure that Fate became strong and had a good relationship with Precia, and told Fate that she hoped she would find a good friend.
** Fate in season one.
** Linith. Her plight is even more poignant in the movie manga, as she reveals that she wanted to take Fate and Arf away from Precia, but knew that doing so would hurt her, and realized that Precia and by extension, herself as Precia’s familiar had no more than two years to live. She thus did her best to ensure that Fate became strong and had a good relationship with Precia, and told Fate that she hoped she would find a good friend.
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*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
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*** The problem here is, if Cypha *DIDN'T* do what she did in series, people would go "why is the Eclipse a threat? This is just like StrikerS and the gadget drones all over again." Besides, as soon as the Aces put on equipment meant to deal with the Huckebein, the fight has been more even, just like when Nanoha and Fate got Cartridges back in A's. [[AllThereInTheManual Not that it would have helped had the Wolkenritter been going all out.]]
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* PanderingToTheBase: TheMovie. While Fate got a transformation, Nanoha's transformation was more fanservice-based and Bardiche and Raising Heart both got new looks, there's a lot in the movie that fans of the series already know, and what's worse, a LOT of information that ONLY fans of the series would know that isn't in the movie. While Raising Heart having its staff and cannon modes pre-loaded makes sense, but then FridgeLogic sets in and makes you question why Yuuno didn't use either mode before handing the device over to Nanoha, since the movie doesn't go into any details about the hows and whys Yuuno couldn't use the device. Compare to the television series where Nanoha was the one who thought up the modes herself, which actually makes more sense as to why Yuuno didn't use those modes himself, he didn't think them up.
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* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: TheMovie has such incredible animation quality it makes the three seasons look like they're 20 years old. ''Incredible''.
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* BetterThanItSounds (Try explaining this series to someone as a recommendation. Most will be put off by the MagicalGirl aspect already.)
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* EightPointEight (Carl Kimlinger's [[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/review/magical-girl-lyrical-nanoha/dvd-box-set review]] of the first series gave it a C-. Cue FlameWar, especially over whether his emphasis on the lolicon aspects of the series was justified.)
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** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[{{Bleach}} Sosuke Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
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** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[{{Bleach}} Sosuke Sosuke]] [[VillainSue Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
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** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[Bleach Sosuke Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
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** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[Bleach [[{{Bleach}} Sosuke Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
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** To be more accurate, the complaint isn't that the Huckbein are a threat to the heroes -- the Wolkenritter were a threat too way back when and nobody ever complained very loudly about them -- it's that they're ''[[StoryBreakerPower completely farking broken]]'' by the standards of the series. To put this in perspective, consider that any given Eclipse Driver can ''solo the Book of Darkness'' by virtue of {{No Sell}}ing all her attacks. For many people, watching the Huckbein in action feels a lot like watching [[Bleach Sosuke Aizen]] waltz into the plot and start curbstomping the heroes.
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* TheScrappy: Cypha's caught a lot of flak for handing [[spoiler: Signum]] her first real defeat.
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* ContestedSequel: [=StrikerS=] and FORCE.
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* UnpleasableFanbase: There were some fans who complained that Jail and the Numbers were not sufficient threat to the Aces. Then Tsuzuki wrote in the Huckebein, who thus far have been kicking hero arse and taking names. People also complained. Whether this (over-)response should be considered PanderingToTheBase or WriterRevolt and whether this BeCarefulWhatYouWishFor is deliberate are tough calls from the viewer's POV.
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* AdaptationDisplacement
* BetterOnDVD (The TV version of the "Heartless White Devil" scene in episode eight of ''[=StrikerS=]'' made a lot of people think that Nanoha had some sort of [[ShellshockedSenior Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome]] from the {{timeskip}} between ''A's'' and ''[=StrikerS=]'' and that her reaction to Subaru and Teana's dangerous tactics in the mock battle made it look as if she wasn't fit to be training the two. The DVD version of the situation helped clear up any misgivings; she had more of a "disappointed parent" look on her face than the more ''[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Higurashi]]''-like look in the TV version. Various examples of [[OffModel QUALITY]] animation are fixed in the DVD releases as well.)
** Just before her legendary attack in episode 25, she [[HarbingerOfAsskicking stomps on the floor]] (possibly to brace herself, but more likely simply because of how [[RuleOfCool badass it makes her look]]). In the TV version, some dust is kicked up when her foot pounds onto the floor; on DVD that part of the floor is destroyed. [[SarcasmMode Inexplicably]], many people seem to prefer the second.
* CargoShip: Raising Heart/Bardiche
* FandomNod (Hayate addressing who would win between her and Nanoha.)
* BetterOnDVD (The TV version of the "Heartless White Devil" scene in episode eight of ''[=StrikerS=]'' made a lot of people think that Nanoha had some sort of [[ShellshockedSenior Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome]] from the {{timeskip}} between ''A's'' and ''[=StrikerS=]'' and that her reaction to Subaru and Teana's dangerous tactics in the mock battle made it look as if she wasn't fit to be training the two. The DVD version of the situation helped clear up any misgivings; she had more of a "disappointed parent" look on her face than the more ''[[HigurashiNoNakuKoroNi Higurashi]]''-like look in the TV version. Various examples of [[OffModel QUALITY]] animation are fixed in the DVD releases as well.)
** Just before her legendary attack in episode 25, she [[HarbingerOfAsskicking stomps on the floor]] (possibly to brace herself, but more likely simply because of how [[RuleOfCool badass it makes her look]]). In the TV version, some dust is kicked up when her foot pounds onto the floor; on DVD that part of the floor is destroyed. [[SarcasmMode Inexplicably]], many people seem to prefer the second.
* CargoShip: Raising Heart/Bardiche
* FandomNod (Hayate addressing who would win between her and Nanoha.)
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* GrowingTheBeard (At least episode 7 of the first series; definitely ''A's''.)
* HolyShitQuotient (StrikerS, episode 17. Full stop.)
* JustHereForGodzilla (Subverted and inverted. Before the first season's GrowingTheBeard moment, viewers were expected to just be there to see cute little Nanoha from ''TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever'' in a strange alternate universe. They were quickly disproven when ''Nanoha'' got more viewers than the ''Triangle Heart 3'' OVA put out around the same time. Ever since ''Nanoha'' became the perfect example of AdaptationDisplacement [second to maybe ''{{Jaws}}'' or some other famous movie no one knows was a book], anyone looking for ''Triangle Heart 3'' is probably just ''there'' to see Nanoha in a strange alternate universe.)
* HolyShitQuotient (StrikerS, episode 17. Full stop.)
* JustHereForGodzilla (Subverted and inverted. Before the first season's GrowingTheBeard moment, viewers were expected to just be there to see cute little Nanoha from ''TriangleHeart3SweetSongsForever'' in a strange alternate universe. They were quickly disproven when ''Nanoha'' got more viewers than the ''Triangle Heart 3'' OVA put out around the same time. Ever since ''Nanoha'' became the perfect example of AdaptationDisplacement [second to maybe ''{{Jaws}}'' or some other famous movie no one knows was a book], anyone looking for ''Triangle Heart 3'' is probably just ''there'' to see Nanoha in a strange alternate universe.)
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** Or just see [[http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4813/nanoha2.jpg this]].
** All the "White Devil" fanart where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.
** Rainbows are straighter than Subaru.
** All the "White Devil" fanart where Nanoha is drawn as an AxCrazy StepfordSmiler and MemeticMolester of Fate.
** Rainbows are straighter than Subaru.
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* MorePopularSpinoff (of ''TriangleHeart'')
* MostWonderfulSound (The cartridge loading sound)
* MostWonderfulSound (The cartridge loading sound)
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* {{Squee}} (The personal interactions between Nanoha and Fate have the tendency to provoke this. On the Nanoha/Yuuno side, there's that [[http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5210/71281605.jpg LOOK]] she gave him in the 12th episode of the original series, though it tends to inspire catcalls or wolfwhistles as much or more than squeals.)
** The look Nanoha gives Yuuno is followed up with this similar [[http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8041/strikerslook.jpg LOOK]] while asking him if their meeting was a coincidence in episode 8 of StrikerS.
** The look Nanoha gives Yuuno is followed up with this similar [[http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8041/strikerslook.jpg LOOK]] while asking him if their meeting was a coincidence in episode 8 of StrikerS.
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* ToyShip: Erio and Caro
* ValuesDissonance: The TSAB makes ample use of grade-school children as [[strike: soldiers]] police officers. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that ''every single child to ever appear in the series'' is WiseBeyondTheirYears and [[RedShirtArmy the vast majority of the TSAB's mages]] are adults, [[YourMilageMayVary but it still rubs some people the wrong way]].
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: TheMovie has such incredible animation quality it makes the three seasons look like they're 20 years old. ''Incredible''.
* ToyShip: Erio and Caro
* ValuesDissonance: The TSAB makes ample use of grade-school children as [[strike: soldiers]] police officers. This is somewhat mitigated by the fact that ''every single child to ever appear in the series'' is WiseBeyondTheirYears and [[RedShirtArmy the vast majority of the TSAB's mages]] are adults, [[YourMilageMayVary but it still rubs some people the wrong way]].
* VisualEffectsOfAwesome: TheMovie has such incredible animation quality it makes the three seasons look like they're 20 years old. ''Incredible''.
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** In the Sound Stages, Zest also points out that unlike Numbers 1 through 4, who inherited the Doctor's DNA, Numbers 6 and up are, in his eyes, somewhat like children and pitiable. He also mentions that Number 5, Cinque, watched over him for some time, and agrees with Lutecia's desire for her to recover from her injuries.
** In the Sound Stages, Zest also points out that unlike Numbers 1 through 4, who inherited the Doctor's DNA, Numbers 6 and up are, in his eyes, somewhat like children and pitiable. He also mentions that Number 5, Cinque, watched over him for some time, and agrees with Lutecia's desire for her to recover from her injuries.
** StrikerS closed with the beginning of a mock battle in which the four forwards faced Nanoha, Fate, Vita and Signum, but none of it was shown.
* {{Narm}}: The GratuitousEnglish the Devices use isn't always appropriate in dramatic moments, especially when they speak more than a single phrase or attack name.
* {{Narm}}: The GratuitousEnglish the Devices use isn't always appropriate in dramatic moments, especially when they speak more than a single phrase or attack name.
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* {{Wangst}}: Nanoha is considerably more angsty in the movie manga, and some people believe she falls into this at times. For example, while at the end of the Jewel Seed case in the original anime, she was mostly satisfied with how things turned out but somewhat worried about Fate, she believes in the movie manga that she was unable to help anyone at all.
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* FanonDiscontinuity:
** Some don't like [=StrikerS=] for various reasons mentioned on the page.
** ''FORCE'' - See RuinedFOREVER below.
** When ''Gears of Destiny'' revealed the official names for the Materials, there was RAEG.
** Some don't like [=StrikerS=] for various reasons mentioned on the page.
** ''FORCE'' - See RuinedFOREVER below.
** When ''Gears of Destiny'' revealed the official names for the Materials, there was RAEG.
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** Lethal uses of Shamal's powers.
** PainfulTransformation caused by the Book of Darkness on males.
** The history of the Wolkenritter. Were all their previous masters cruel? Or were there equally (more?) loving ones that the Book purged/altered their memories thereof? Whichever is worse... Well, what page is this?
** PainfulTransformation caused by the Book of Darkness on males.
** The history of the Wolkenritter. Were all their previous masters cruel? Or were there equally (more?) loving ones that the Book purged/altered their memories thereof? Whichever is worse... Well, what page is this?
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* MemeticMutation / {{Fanon}}:
** {{Kidanova}}: Amongst the doujinshi-ka, Erio is one heck of a playah, leading to...
** MemeticBadass / [[MemeticMolester Molester]][=/=][[MemeticSexGod Sex God]]
*** Surprisingly, in the manga, he complains about Caro entering the men's bath, despite her claiming that girls under 11 can come in.
*** Not just among doujinshi-ka the authors picked this vibe as well, Erio you [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/v02/c015/3.html Naughty]] [[http://tenmanga.com/chapter/MahouShoujoLyricalNanohaVividVol02Ch016/214121-9.html Guy]]
** {{Kidanova}}: Amongst the doujinshi-ka, Erio is one heck of a playah, leading to...
** MemeticBadass / [[MemeticMolester Molester]][=/=][[MemeticSexGod Sex God]]
*** Surprisingly, in the manga, he complains about Caro entering the men's bath, despite her claiming that girls under 11 can come in.
*** Not just among doujinshi-ka the authors picked this vibe as well, Erio you [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/mahou_shoujo_lyrical_nanoha_vivid/v02/c015/3.html Naughty]] [[http://tenmanga.com/chapter/MahouShoujoLyricalNanohaVividVol02Ch016/214121-9.html Guy]]
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* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Yes, that includes the TokenLoli Cinque, and possibly Ginga, too - he certainly had enough time to accomplish it. And let's not forget that he raised all of them as his daughters and that at least some of them were created using his genetic material, so it's ParentalIncest, too. Finally, consider how risky a regular pregnancy can be. Now replace that with one involving a rapidly-growing technosorcerous FetusTerrible, and imagine what that would do to the mother's body. Or don't, if you want to keep your lunch where it is. In fact, the entire escape plan is pretty much a bottomless reservoir of yucky horribleness.]]
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* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Yes, that includes the TokenLoli Cinque, and possibly Ginga, too - he certainly had enough time to accomplish it. And let's not forget that he raised all of them as his daughters and that at least some of them were created using his genetic material, so it's ParentalIncest, too. Finally, consider how risky a regular pregnancy can be. Now replace that with one involving a rapidly-growing technosorcerous FetusTerrible, and imagine what that would do to the mother's body. Or don't, if you want to keep your lunch where it is. In fact, the entire escape plan is pretty much a bottomless reservoir of yucky horribleness.horribleness if you pay the slightest bit of thought to it.]]
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* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Considering he had plenty of time to do the same to Ginga and Vivio...]]
** [[{{Squick}} Thank you very much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
**** WHAT ABOUT CINQUE???
** [[{{Squick}} Thank you very much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
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* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Considering Yes, that includes the TokenLoli Cinque, and possibly Ginga, too - he certainly had plenty of enough time to accomplish it. And let's not forget that he raised all of them as his daughters and that at least some of them were created using his genetic material, so it's ParentalIncest, too. Finally, consider how risky a regular pregnancy can be. Now replace that with one involving a rapidly-growing technosorcerous FetusTerrible, and imagine what that would do to the same to Ginga and Vivio...]]
** [[{{Squick}} Thankmother's body. Or don't, if you very want to keep your lunch where it is. In fact, the entire escape plan is pretty much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable a bottomless reservoir of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
**** WHAT ABOUT CINQUE???yucky horribleness.]]
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*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
**** WHAT ABOUT CINQUE???
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* FridgeHorror: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Considering he had plenty of time to do the same to Ginga and Vivio...]]
** [[{{Squick}} Thank you very much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
**** WHAT ABOUT CINQUE???
** [[{{Squick}} Thank you very much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
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* UnfortunateImplications: [[spoiler: Jail Scaglietti made sure that all of the female cyborgs under his control were pregnant with his magical clone-baby. Considering he had plenty of time to do the same to Ginga and Vivio...]]
** [[{{Squick}} Thank you very much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
**** WHAT ABOUT CINQUE???
** [[{{Squick}} Thank you very much for THAT thought.]] Is her body capable of it yet?
*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
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*** Doubtful. After all, [[spoiler:considering that Scaglietti needed Vivio alive to power the Cradle, he probably didn't plant any clones in her.]]
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Vita screwing up Nanoha's name as "Nantoga" (Something or other) and Nanoha's reaction to it. Also:
--> '''Vita''': We've a saying; "If you're a messenger of peace, don't carry a spear"
--> '''Nanoha''': Well you attacked me first! GEEZ!
--> '''Zafira''': And that's not a saying. That's the punch line of a joke.
** It's funny because it showcases Zafila's chronic veracity so well. It's double funny because it's a ''Lysistrata'' reference of all things. It's triple funny because it's Vita saying it.
--> '''Vita''': We've a saying; "If you're a messenger of peace, don't carry a spear"
--> '''Nanoha''': Well you attacked me first! GEEZ!
--> '''Zafira''': And that's not a saying. That's the punch line of a joke.
** It's funny because it showcases Zafila's chronic veracity so well. It's double funny because it's a ''Lysistrata'' reference of all things. It's triple funny because it's Vita saying it.
