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* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake smug]] (unless he's annoyed or, worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.

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* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake [[SmugSuper smug]] (unless he's annoyed or, worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.
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Fff, thought it was a trope by now! My bad!


* AmbiguouslyAdopted: Even though the scriptwriters almost make it sound like Dan and Chloe are Trixie's genetic parents, it's hard to be convinced. Trixie is played by Scarlett Estevez, who is either directly Iberian or of hispanic descent. Thus, Trixie appears to be a different race compared to her blond/brown-haired, blue-eyed parents.
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*AmbiguouslyAdopted: Even though the scriptwriters almost make it sound like Dan and Chloe are Trixie's genetic parents, it's hard to be convinced. Trixie is played by Scarlett Estevez, who is either directly Iberian or of hispanic descent. Thus, Trixie appears to be a different race compared to her blond/brown-haired, blue-eyed parents.
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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series, as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him, which is the opposite of the character in the source material. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.

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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series, as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him, which is the opposite of the character in the source material. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.



* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.

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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.
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* CryForTheDevil: Literally, in this case. While he is confident, snarky and well-off economically, it is implied that his carefree, hedonistic lifestyle is a cover for his [[spoiler:history of crippling, existential loneliness over the thousands of years of his existence]]. This can even be blamed on [[spoiler:the scorn he receives from his angel kin]], [[spoiler:silence and abandonment from his omnipotent father]] and [[spoiler:humanity's tendency to blame and demonize him for their own shortcomings]].
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Chloe was talking about believing in Hell and how it can't affect her life since she doesn't believe in it.


* CriticalResearchFailure: Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.
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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.

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* TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.upon.
*TheUnReveal: Given that the series begins with Chloe being immune to Lucifer's powers, and Episode 4 has Lucifer feel the effects of being shot only when Chloe shoots him,[[spoiler: the reveal in Episode 11 that he is only mortal in Chloe's presence can fall a bit flat for some, since it could be easily deduced the first time she shot him.]]

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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series, as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him, which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.

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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series, as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him, which is the opposite of the actual character.character in the source material. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.


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* JustHereForGodzilla: Despite its numerous detractors (see BrokenBase and TheyChangedItSoItSucks), many fans and even critics who are still on the fence as to the show's overall quality are seemingly happy to keep watching for now, just to see more of Tom Ellis's portrayal of Lucifer (which is just about the only aspect of the show to be near-universally praised).
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* Narm: The scene where Chloe and Trixie examined the DVD of her old movie showed Lauren German's face photoshopped on a DVD cover.

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* Narm: {{Narm}}: The scene where Chloe and Trixie examined the DVD of her old movie showed Lauren German's face photoshopped on a DVD cover.
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* TearJerker: Seeing Lucifer's [[spoiler: real]] wings [[spoiler: mounted like a stag's head in the antique auctioneer's home.]] They really look like they would belong to the most beloved son of Heaven.
** As he dies in Lucifer's arms, Father Frank tells Lucifer "''your'' father has a plan for you," revealing he believed all along Lucifer was the Devil and still accepted his help. Lucifer actually cries over the man's death and later stands on his balcony and rails at God for his "rules" and asks "what's the bloody point?"

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* TearJerker: Seeing Lucifer's [[spoiler: real]] wings [[spoiler: mounted like a stag's head in Narm: The scene where Chloe and Trixie examined the antique auctioneer's home.]] They really look like they would belong to the most beloved son DVD of Heaven.
her old movie showed Lauren German's face photoshopped on a DVD cover.
** As he dies in Lucifer's arms, Father Frank tells The scene where Lucifer "''your'' father has a plan for you," revealing he believed all along Lucifer was the Devil and still accepted his help. Lucifer actually cries over the man's death and later stands talked to Richard in "Et tu, Doctor?" appeared to be done on his balcony and rails at God for his "rules" and asks "what's the bloody point?" a green screen.
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** As he dies in Lucifer's arms, Father Frank tells Lucifer "''your'' father has a plan for you," revealing he believed all along Lucifer was the Devil and still accepted his help. Lucifer actually cries over the man's death and later stands on his balcony and rails at God for his "rules" and asks "what's the blood point?"

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** As he dies in Lucifer's arms, Father Frank tells Lucifer "''your'' father has a plan for you," revealing he believed all along Lucifer was the Devil and still accepted his help. Lucifer actually cries over the man's death and later stands on his balcony and rails at God for his "rules" and asks "what's the blood bloody point?"
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** As he dies in Lucifer's arms, Father Frank tells Lucifer "''your'' father has a plan for you," revealing he believed all along Lucifer was the Devil and still accepted his help. Lucifer actually cries over the man's death and later stands on his balcony and rails at God for his "rules" and asks "what's the blood point?"
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* TearJerker: seeing Lucifers' [[spoiler: real]] wings [[spoiler: mounted like a stags' head in the antique auctioneers' home.]] They really look like they would belong to the most beloved son of Heaven.

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* TearJerker: seeing Lucifers' Seeing Lucifer's [[spoiler: real]] wings [[spoiler: mounted like a stags' stag's head in the antique auctioneers' auctioneer's home.]] They really look like they would belong to the most beloved son of Heaven.
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* Tearjerker: seeing Lucifers' [[spoiler: real]] wings [spoiler: mounted like a stags' head in the antique auctioneers' home.]] They really look like they belong to the son of the morning.

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* Tearjerker: TearJerker: seeing Lucifers' [[spoiler: real]] wings [spoiler: [[spoiler: mounted like a stags' head in the antique auctioneers' home.]] They really look like they would belong to the most beloved son of the morning. Heaven.
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* Tearjerker: seeing Lucifers' [[spoiler: real]] wings [spoiler: mounted like a stags' head in the antique auctioneers' home.]] They really look like they belong to the son of the morning.

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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him, which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.
** There's a third group who think that it will eventually follow the comics more closely, they just need to ease into it.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Lucifer sees his story as this compared to how he's been portrayed throughout history. Dr. Linda posits a third view in "Favorite Son," that God sent Lucifer to be[[note]]to borrow a quote from ''The Dark Knight''[[/note]] "the hero Humanity deserves but not the one it needs right now." According to Dr. Linda's theory [[spoiler: possibly helped out by Amenadiel]], God sent his favorite son to bear the hatred and scorn of the world because He knew Lucifer could take it. Sound like another [[{{Jesus}} favored son]]?
* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series series, as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him, which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.
** There's a third group who think that it will eventually follow the comics more closely, and they just need to ease into it.



* JerkassWoobie: Lucifer. There's no denying that he is a massive git and he loves every minute of it. However, it is slowly revealed, partly through his therapy, that there is a lot of pain and vulnerability behind that cocky, [[StepfordSnarker snarky]] façade - witness his reaction when a horrified Chloe tries to touch the scars where his wings used to be.

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* JerkassWoobie: Lucifer. There's no denying that he is a massive git and he loves every minute of it. However, it is slowly revealed, partly through his therapy, that there is a lot of pain and vulnerability behind that cocky, [[StepfordSnarker snarky]] façade - witness his reaction when a horrified Chloe tries to touch the scars where his wings used to be.

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Critical Research Failure is for stuff you could reasonably expect anyone to know. I wouldn't think "Which name for which archangel in obscure Christian mythology means light of god or venom of god" passes the buck. It's covered by Artistic License Religion on the main page.


* CriticalResearchFailure:
** Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.
** Dr. Martin says that Lucifer's original name, Samael, means "Light of God." It actually means "Venom of God" or "Poison of God" or perhaps "Severity of God." In other words, a name more fitting for God's angel of punishment. In Judaic tradition, Samael[=/=]Satan was not a rebel angel nor an agent of evil, he was in charge of rooting out and punishing the sins of man on God's behalf.
*** And just for the record, the angelic name that means "Light of God" is Uriel.

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CriticalResearchFailure: Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.
** Dr. Martin says that Lucifer's original name, Samael, means "Light of God." It actually means "Venom of God" or "Poison of God" or perhaps "Severity of God." In other words, a name more fitting for God's angel of punishment. In Judaic tradition, Samael[=/=]Satan was not a rebel angel nor an agent of evil, he was in charge of rooting out and punishing the sins of man on God's behalf.
*** And just for the record, the angelic name that means "Light of God" is Uriel.
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*** And just for the record, the angelic name that means "Light of God" is Uriel.
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** Dr. Martin says that Lucifer's original name, Samael, means "Light of God." It actually means "Venom of God" or Poison of God" or perhaps "Severity of God." In other words, a name more fitting for God's angel of punishment. In Judaic tradition, Samael[=/=]Satan was not a rebel angel nor an agent of evil, he was in charge of rooting out and punishing the sins of man on God's behalf.

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** Dr. Martin says that Lucifer's original name, Samael, means "Light of God." It actually means "Venom of God" or Poison "Poison of God" or perhaps "Severity of God." In other words, a name more fitting for God's angel of punishment. In Judaic tradition, Samael[=/=]Satan was not a rebel angel nor an agent of evil, he was in charge of rooting out and punishing the sins of man on God's behalf.

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* CriticalResearchFailure: Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.

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* CriticalResearchFailure: CriticalResearchFailure:
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Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.believe.
** Dr. Martin says that Lucifer's original name, Samael, means "Light of God." It actually means "Venom of God" or Poison of God" or perhaps "Severity of God." In other words, a name more fitting for God's angel of punishment. In Judaic tradition, Samael[=/=]Satan was not a rebel angel nor an agent of evil, he was in charge of rooting out and punishing the sins of man on God's behalf.
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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.

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* BrokenBase: Fans of ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him him, which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.



* EvilIsSexy: Lucifer, of course, but he's not quite as evil as used to be.

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* EvilIsSexy: Lucifer, of course, but he's not quite as evil as he used to be.



* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake smug]] (unless he's annoyed or worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.

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* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake smug]] (unless he's annoyed or or, worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.
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* BrokenBase: Fans of the ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.

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* BrokenBase: Fans of the ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.
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** There's a third group who think that it will eventually follow the comics more closely, they just need to ease into it.
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* CriticalResearchFail: Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.

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* CriticalResearchFail: CriticalResearchFailure: Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.
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* CriticalResearchFail: Chloe's stated belief that people who don't believe in a god by definition can't believe in "good and evil, right and wrong" never gets taken up by Lucifer, making it feel as though this may be what the writers actually believe atheists believe.
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* JerkassWoobie: Lucifer. There's no denying that he is a massive git and he loves every minute of it. However, it is slowly revealed, partly through his therapy, that there is a lot of pain and vulnerability behind that cocky, [[StepfordSnarker snarky]] façade - witness his reaction when a horrified Chloe tries to touch the scars where his wings used to be.
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* TheyChangedItSoNowItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.

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* TheyChangedItSoNowItSucks: TheyChangedItSoItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.
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* BrokenBase: Fans of the ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' have issues with the series as it makes Lucifer much more human, likable, and uninterested in God's plans for him which is the opposite of the actual character. Those who are just looking for a science-fiction/fantasy police procedural tend to react better to the series.



* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake smug]] (unless he's annoyed or worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.

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* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake smug]] (unless he's annoyed or worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.is.
* TheyChangedItSoNowItSucks: A general reaction of many ''Comic/{{Lucifer}}'' fans with the absence of Elaine being particularly noted upon.
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* EvilIsSexy: Lucifer, of course, but he's not quite as evil as used to be.
** Maze as well.
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* MagnificentBastard: Lucifer is perpetually [[SmugSnake smug]] (unless he's annoyed or worse, angry), but he really is as good as he thinks he is.

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